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Bernard Hopkins and Golden Boy Promotions are doing their best to lure Joe Calzaghe out of retirement.
Calzaghe, 46-0, announced his retirement last month.
Hopkins has been trying to land one final major fight before calling an end to his own career.
Calzaghe won a close split decision over Hopkins last April, but was very against a rematch.
He felt their styles make for a very ugly fight and their April bout was a clear example.
Richard Schaefer, CEO for Golden Boy, is trying to broker the rematch and says there are no issues with
Hopkins traveling over to Calzaghe's homeland of Wales to make it happen.
"I'll be talking to Joe because I can see a huge event if he wants to do one last fight in Wales.
Bernard specifically told me that he would come to Wales to fight Joe Calzaghe.
This would be the biggest challenge for Joe. I think there's some unfinished business between them.
I haven't given up hope. Never give up hope," Schaefer told Setanta TV.
Grant1
03-05-2009, 08:06 AM
Hopkins Dawson first then Joe to fight the winner I reckon.
That would definitely hold more appeal for Joe.
If he beats Hopkins again, Dawsons still out there and you'll still have the haters claiming he ducked Chad....
Hopkins would have to fight A LOT more aggressively in this case. No way in hell he will get a decision like that in Wales. Yes, the judges should judge the action on its merits, but natural human tendencies to favour the aggressive home fighter will prevail.
dan-b
03-05-2009, 08:14 AM
I'd welcome a rematch, Hopkins should go for the knock out this time.
Hopkins should come to fight this time and erase the debacle of the last fight from our memories......
abzmanc
03-05-2009, 08:20 AM
Dont see this ever happening in a month of sundays.. Calzaghe will be happily retired. Be impressed with him if he comes out for it though.
I've always believed this rematch was pointless. Calzaghe was never going to go to the US to fight Hopkins again, and I don't think he has any obligation regardless of how close people think it was, due to the things Hopkins tried to do in the ring. And ultimately...Calzaghe won the fight so the next is on his terms.
That only brings us back to Wales, and I honestly don't see much Hopkins does differently. I see the exact same fight once more and Calzaghe by UD this time, with the same aftermath.
If he was really going to come back and fight a top level opponent he'd prefer Chad Dawson, I'm sure.
mstar
03-05-2009, 08:25 AM
well if they offered joe $10-20 that would be silly money to turn down!! i wnt blame joe for accepting
El Cepillo
03-05-2009, 08:26 AM
Calzaghe should just take the fight already.
It's arguabley Calzaghe's best 'win', and a lot of people don't even think he won. It was a close and disputed split decsion against the toughest opponent Joe has ever faced, I think its slightly disingenuous of Joe to simply declare victory, claim he 'doesn't do rematches', and retire. Bernard seems to be willing to make the sacrafice of fighting in Joe's backyard...this fight should and needs to happen. I don't know exactly when, or how, but I do know why.
dan-b
03-05-2009, 08:28 AM
I respect your opinion TFFP but I watched the fight again recently and actually quite enjoyed it. It was a tactical battle with a disputed result. Why not fight again? If Hopkins is prepared to come to Wales and if Joe feels he 'has Bernard's number', what's the problem? A nice easy payday for Joe.
Despite people saying they're not interested in it, by the time HBO have hyped it up there will be the usual fervour and debate. Plus the Welsh will turn out in force to boo Hopkins and make it an event. Get it on I say.
BIG WORM
03-05-2009, 08:28 AM
i don't think he'll ever beat calzaghe, calzaghes too durable and versatile.. he'd adapt to whatever hopkins has! Hopkins ran out of ideas
How the hell they gonna offer Joe those kind of roubles. Hopkins is not popular. It won't make for that big of a fight, I doubt it would even sell greatly on PPV in Britain nevermind America.
kosaros
03-05-2009, 08:30 AM
well if they offered joe $10-20 that would be silly money to turn down!! i wnt blame joe for accepting
:lol:
The sad thing is that other than Dawson, Hopkins is the only other fight out there for him to consider coming back.
I respect your opinion TFFP but I watched the fight again recently and actually quite enjoyed it. It was a tactical battle with a disputed result. Why not fight again? If Hopkins is prepared to come to Wales and if Joe feels he 'has Bernard's number', what's the problem? A nice easy payday for Joe.
Despite people saying they're not interested in it, by the time HBO have hyped it up there will be the usual fervour and debate. Plus the Welsh will turn out in force to boo Hopkins and make it an event. Get it on I say.
I'm not strictly against it, nor am I saying I'd be completely disinterested. I just don't think we'll come to a firm conclusion on the fight. I think we'd relive the first fight, which is okay, but the point of a rematch is to come to an ending.
I don't think Hopkins can knock him out, he couldn't knock Pavlik out and he never REALLY got close to stopping Joe. I also don't think he can not concede ground to Calzaghe's work-rate and stamina. Hopkins brings his own tricks once more. All the recipes are there for another disputed decision, and its in Wales...lets figure.
dan-b
03-05-2009, 08:38 AM
I'm not strictly against it, nor am I saying I'd be completely disinterested. I just don't think we'll come to a firm conclusion on the fight. I think we'd relive the first fight, which is okay, but the point of a rematch is to come to an ending.
I don't think Hopkins can knock him out, he couldn't knock Pavlik out and he never REALLY got close to stopping Joe. I also don't think he can not concede ground to Calzaghe's work-rate and stamina. Hopkins brings his own tricks once more. All the recipes are there for another disputed decision, and its in Wales...lets figure.
All valid points although I do think Hopkins could have forced the stoppage of Pavlik had he really gone for it, he was toying with him in there a bit I think. Meh, we'll see, either way I'm good, I respect a man's right to retire just as long as he's not taking swipes at active fighters.
El Cepillo
03-05-2009, 08:46 AM
All valid points although I do think Hopkins could have forced the stoppage of Pavlik had he really gone for it, he was toying with him in there a bit I think. Meh, we'll see, either way I'm good, I respect a man's right to retire just as long as he's not taking swipes at active fighters.
Yeah. That's a tricky one for me. Usually I do, but...
...he is still in good shape, and considering there are still question marks over his resume and legacy, and given that this is essentially the first time in his career where he can literally fight whoever he wants, he goes and retires...:huh
Personally, I never understood his mentality, and this is just another example of his somewhat unusual approach.
He might be able to fight who he wants but its a matter of motivation. 20+ years in any field is draining.
dan-b
03-05-2009, 08:49 AM
Yeah. That's a tricky one for me. Usually I do, but...
...he is still in good shape, and considering there are still question marks over his resume and legacy, and given that this is essentially the first time in his career where he can literally fight whoever he wants, he goes and retires...:huh
Personally, I never understood his mentality, and this is just another example of his somewhat unusual approach.
I'm with you totally but I think the Calzaghe thing has been done to death now and I'm not keen to go there again. Like I said, I did add a proviso which was to not be taking swipes at active fighters which Joe has done to a certain degree. If you're retired, fine, but don't sit in your ivory tower condescending fighters that would give you a real run for your money.
El Cepillo
03-05-2009, 08:50 AM
He might be able to fight who he wants but its a matter of motivation. 20+ years in any field is draining.
This is true.
Benjiabc
03-05-2009, 08:51 AM
I respect your opinion TFFP but I watched the fight again recently and actually quite enjoyed it. It was a tactical battle with a disputed result. Why not fight again? If Hopkins is prepared to come to Wales and if Joe feels he 'has Bernard's number', what's the problem? A nice easy payday for Joe.
Despite people saying they're not interested in it, by the time HBO have hyped it up there will be the usual fervour and debate. Plus the Welsh will turn out in force to boo Hopkins and make it an event. Get it on I say.
i hope your joking, the fight was awful, truly awful. and it wasnt becuase of joe put it that way
Thing is if hopkins 'comes to fight', he would lose by a comfortable margin. He knew this hence he ruined the first fight.
Grant1
03-05-2009, 09:46 AM
I respect your opinion TFFP but I watched the fight again recently and actually quite enjoyed it. It was a tactical battle with a disputed result. Why not fight again? If Hopkins is prepared to come to Wales and if Joe feels he 'has Bernard's number', what's the problem? A nice easy payday for Joe.
Despite people saying they're not interested in it, by the time HBO have hyped it up there will be the usual fervour and debate. Plus the Welsh will turn out in force to boo Hopkins and make it an event. Get it on I say.
How did you score it the most recent time you watched it?
How does that comapre to the first time you seen it?
toffeejack
03-05-2009, 09:50 AM
Thing is if hopkins 'comes to fight', he would lose by a comfortable margin. He knew this hence he ruined the first fight.
Exactly.
Hopkins is not stupid, you don't beat Joe Calzaghe by taking the fight to him.
debaser
03-05-2009, 09:54 AM
The only fight I think Joe would seriously consider is Dawson and I thik even that is unlikely. A second Hopkins fight would hold little appeal to the fans and would most likely be a carbon copy of the first. Joe has already taken his money fight when he fought Jones so I don't think the dollar signs will sway him.
Govanmauler
03-05-2009, 10:01 AM
He might be able to fight who he wants but its a matter of motivation. 20+ years in any field is draining.
Ecxactly its all very well debating the in and outs of a potential fight but Joe is Healty , Wealthy , undefeated and no longer has to live the life of a fighter.
Once a guy has made that decision its not right to be constatnyl second guessing it.
Plus Hopkins was a pr*ck in the build up and afterwards ( I like Hop but he just coulbnt take it that he lost ) showing Joe no respect so to fuck with him !
kerrminator
03-05-2009, 10:17 AM
Joe should avoid the temptation and stay retired and undefeated. How long has it been since a world champ retired undefeated and stayed retired. History will form its own opinions and as far as Joe is concerned that opinion witll be a good one.
He has nothing left to prove. 12 years world champ, regardless of who he fought that is very impressive.
dan-b
03-05-2009, 10:26 AM
How did you score it the most recent time you watched it?
How does that comapre to the first time you seen it?
The first time I scored it to Hopkins 115-112 I think, can't remember exactly now. When I watched it recently I didn't bother to score it but my overall impression still was that Hopkins won.
Again, this debate has been done to death and I'm not keen to go there again. The fact is, it was a close fight between two modern greats so why not have a rematch?
debaser
03-05-2009, 10:32 AM
The first time I scored it to Hopkins 115-112 I think, can't remember exactly now. When I watched it recently I didn't bother to score it but my overall impression still was that Hopkins won.
Again, this debate has been done to death and I'm not keen to go there again. The fact is, it was a close fight between two modern greats so why not have a rematch?
I know this has been done to death but just out of curiosity how did you come up with a score like that? Hopkins spent most of the fight on the backfoot, threw fewer shots, landed no meaningful counter punches and clinched all night.
Not having go, just curious how people could have scoed it for Hopkins.
dan-b
03-05-2009, 10:45 AM
I know this has been done to death but just out of curiosity how did you come up with a score like that? Hopkins spent most of the fight on the backfoot, threw fewer shots, landed no meaningful counter punches and clinched all night.
Not having go, just curious how people could have scoed it for Hopkins.
I'm annoyed because I had the exact way I'd scored that fight written down but I appear to have lost it. I definitely scored the first three rounds to Hopkins so that was a four point swing, with the knockdown, straight away. I know I gave him the last too but, as for the rest, I'd be guessing.
I scored for Hopkins' cleaner punching mainly.
Grant1
03-05-2009, 11:41 AM
The first time I scored it to Hopkins 115-112 I think, can't remember exactly now. When I watched it recently I didn't bother to score it but my overall impression still was that Hopkins won.
Again, this debate has been done to death and I'm not keen to go there again. The fact is, it was a close fight between two modern greats so why not have a rematch?
No I dont intend to debate it again, I was just curious if your scoring had changed over time.
I was there and I scored it to Joe by 2. Watched it on TV and was even more certain.
I'm not against seeing it again.
Ricjkards
03-05-2009, 11:57 AM
I'm annoyed because I had the exact way I'd scored that fight written down but I appear to have lost it. I definitely scored the first three rounds to Hopkins so that was a four point swing, with the knockdown, straight away. I know I gave him the last too but, as for the rest, I'd be guessing.
I scored for Hopkins' cleaner punching mainly.
The knockdown has a psychological effect on the scoring. First of all I scored the fight a draw. But then I just watched the fight from round 2 to round 12, just giving Hopkins a 10-8 for round 1, and scored the fight 116-112 Calzaghe. I was surprised that just watching round 2-12 Calzaghe easily won the fight.
It was a shame we didn't hear from Hopkins on Bunce boxing hour today, but Bunch started talkiing some bullshit about Calzaghe's hometown (newbridge) and made a crap joke about Calzaghe not fighting there. Hopkins probably hung up the phone wating for the twat.
dan-b
03-05-2009, 12:06 PM
No I dont intend to debate it again, I was just curious if your scoring had changed over time.
I was there and I scored it to Joe by 2. Watched it on TV and was even more certain.
I'm not against seeing it again.
A larger proportion of people felt Calzaghe won, so I can live with that. It'd be good to see a rematch, but it seems unlikely.
The knockdown has a psychological effect on the scoring. First of all I scored the fight a draw. But then I just watched the fight from round 2 to round 12, just giving Hopkins a 10-8 for round 1, and scored the fight 116-112 Calzaghe. I was surprised that just watching round 2-12 Calzaghe easily won the fight.
It was a shame we didn't hear from Hopkins on Bunce boxing hour today, but Bunch started talkiing some bullshit about Calzaghe's hometown (newbridge) and made a crap joke about Calzaghe not fighting there. Hopkins probably hung up the phone wating for the twat.
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noonan
03-05-2009, 12:49 PM
i would prefer a Kessler rematch!
as i feel he came closest to beating jc!!
El Cepillo
03-05-2009, 12:51 PM
i would prefer a Kessler rematch!
as i feel he came closest to beating jc!!
Kessler came closer to beating Calzaghe than Hopkins did? :huh
p.Townend
03-05-2009, 01:04 PM
No way will Calzaghe take this fight.He knows Hopkins was robbed last time and that in a rematch he would be beaten out of sight.
debaser
03-05-2009, 01:33 PM
No way will Calzaghe take this fight.He knows Hopkins was robbed last time and that in a rematch he would be beaten out of sight.
Close yes, robbery no. It would have een a sad day for boxing if Hopkins had got the verdict. Clinching, headbutting and running away, painful to watch.
ryanm8655
03-05-2009, 01:45 PM
I need to find this fight in full and rewatch it...
I didn't score it on the night but it felt close...but that was purely because of the first round knockdown imo...it influenced everyone emotionally and thus influenced their feel of the fight...I felt 50/50 on the night...although that was because te fight was in america and I thought they'd favour their man...
From what some say anyone would think Hopkins was just picking Calzaghe off with accurate counters all night but even from watching highlights of the fight online Calzaghe uses his own skills and reflexes to duck and dodge them, and Calzaghe does rock Hopkins with some clean shots as well only for Hopkins to hold straight after literally every time...I wouldn't call that a display of boxing skill...it looked almost desperate...
My feeling is that Hopkins cannot beat Calzaghe without the holding...if he doesn't hold he's getting hit with a whole load of fast shots and there's no way the fight would be close then...the only reason the opening rounds were in favour of hopkins was because Calzaghe was cagey and being cautious...I know Hopkins has never been ko'd and Calzaghe didn't stop Jones, although I think he could've, but I could possibly see a stoppage, or atleast a pretty wide ud if hopkins doesn't use his dirty tactics and hold...Calzaghe hated the guy enough to really go for it I think...
I do need to rewatch the fight in full though...
If anyone know where I can find the fight please pm me...
I shall never make my plasma screen endure such a spectacle, in the worry that it may get screen burn of Hopkins faking low blows forever more.
Fat Joe
03-05-2009, 02:47 PM
My missus has recently deleted Hopkin V Calzaghe, Hopkins V Pavlik + JMM V Diaz from my Sky+:fire:fire:fire:fire
Thats harsh...JMM v Diaz was only just on!
I shall view that one again a saturday night when the missus is out considering I had the Abraham dates wrong.Zero boxing on the TV Saturday..
ryanm8655
03-05-2009, 04:28 PM
Just rewatched the fight and scored it 116-111 in favour of Calzaghe...there were 4 rounds in particular I found very difficult to score, I gave 1 to hopkins and the other 3 to Calzaghe. Calzaghe won 5 rounds quite convincingly, with litle dispute, and Hopkins won two, with the 1st a 10-8 round...then 4 were very close to call...but I felt Calzaghe had more of a case for 3 of them and hopkins 1...
DOM5153
03-05-2009, 06:57 PM
hopkins should fuck off, why an earth should joe give this guy a rematch and a large payday?
Diablo
03-05-2009, 07:05 PM
We all know Hopkins is still fighting at a p4p level but Calzaghes in a no win situation if they rematched.
He wins....and ppl will just say he beat an old man again.
dan-b
03-06-2009, 04:47 AM
What did people make of Bunce's assertion that Joe wouldn't be able to make 175 should a rematch take place?
mstar
03-06-2009, 04:59 AM
well its no secret joe every-other day is in the gym so maybe keeping himself trim in case a BIG money offer comes about. Like i said if he is going to come back he has to do in within 1 year of retireing so that means spring/summer time i think 2009. Maye joe knows this?
Grant1
03-06-2009, 05:27 AM
What did people make of Bunce's assertion that Joe wouldn't be able to make 175 should a rematch take place?
Suprised me that, especially as Joe is in and out of the gym regularly.
I think he could make it comfortably if needed.
Why wouldn't he be able to make 175 when up until a few years ago he made 168?
Bunce talks a lot of shite about weight, he really does. Cotto was drained - remember.
Fat Joe
03-06-2009, 05:45 AM
What did people make of Bunce's assertion that Joe wouldn't be able to make 175 should a rematch take place?
He comes out with some shite every now and then, but when you talk as much as he does it's not all going to make sense.
p.Townend
03-06-2009, 08:03 AM
Close yes, robbery no. It would have een a sad day for boxing if Hopkins had got the verdict. Clinching, headbutting and running away, painful to watch.
I accept robbery is too strong a term for that verdict.And agree that Hopkins wasnt great,but he looked to have got the win to me and im sure he would do things differently in a rematch.He would not stop or k.o. Joe but would outpoint him convicingly,Calzaghe knows it and thats why he will never take this fight.
DOM5153
03-06-2009, 08:06 AM
I accept robbery is too strong a term for that verdict.And agree that Hopkins wasnt great,but he looked to have got the win to me and im sure he would do things differently in a rematch.He would not stop or k.o. Joe but would outpoint him convicingly,Calzaghe knows it and thats why he will never take this fight.
i have too disagree, but im intrigued to know how you think the fight would pan out
treva1977
03-06-2009, 08:10 AM
Hopkins Dawson first then Joe to fight the winner I reckon.i dont know??????what if dawson schools b hop then ko`s him.i think calzaghe would rather not fight him if he did that.lol.i think b hop would clearly beat dawson and rematch calzaghe in cardiff would be great ...but calzaghe will not.
Noone wants to see that again, lets face it.
I accept robbery is too strong a term for that verdict.And agree that Hopkins wasnt great,but he looked to have got the win to me and im sure he would do things differently in a rematch.He would not stop or k.o. Joe but would outpoint him convicingly,Calzaghe knows it and thats why he will never take this fight.
Yeah
Adalaide Byrd
had a card for Bhop. Awesome scorer!
toffeejack
03-06-2009, 09:10 AM
I accept robbery is too strong a term for that verdict.And agree that Hopkins wasnt great,but he looked to have got the win to me and im sure he would do things differently in a rematch.He would not stop or k.o. Joe but would outpoint him convicingly,Calzaghe knows it and thats why he will never take this fight.
What makes you think that style wise Hopkins would ever beat Calzaghe convincingly?
If Hopkins fought Joe the way he fought Pavlik he would play right into Calzaghe's strengths. Hopkins isn't stupid that's why he employed the tactics he did that night.
If a rematch took place I believe it would be convincing UD for Calzaghe this time.
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