Johnny Nelson

[onourway]

Said DeGale looked the best on the night and had the best future.

Which contradicted what nearly every other person with eyes saw.

So with 3 olympians on the bill, one black, two white...

...why do you think Nelson said DeGale was the best?

[GazOC]

My thought at the time was that its because he sees a lot of his style in DeGales.

[TFFP]

Maybe he did see a few things that were noticeable if we weren't dieing to see blood and guts and a brutal KO. His defence looked better than the others and his footwork was pretty good.

[GazOC]

Maybe he did see a few things that were noticeable if we weren't dieing to see blood and guts and a brutal KO. His defence looked better than the others and his footwork was pretty good.

Easy tiger, don't get so defensive...:p

[TFFP]

I'm not. DeGale was defensive.

People blew it out of all kinds of proportion. He definitely was not the best out of the Olympians, Jeffries was, but the reaction during and post-fight has been shambolic.

[GazOC]

You're still jumping the gun, the OP asked a question and I answered it honestly. I didn't comment what I thought of DeGales style or performance.

[D-MAC]

Said DeGale looked the best on the night and had the best future.

Which contradicted what nearly every other person with eyes saw.

So with 3 olympians on the bill, one black, two white...

...why do you think Nelson said DeGale was the best?

:think

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[GazOC]

"TELL HIM FRANK!!!!!":boohoo

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[BIG WORM]

i think degale will get better, his style looks like a versatile one..

i think the way he throws a thousand punches a minute from all different angles might have reminded nelson of calzaghe..

[onourway]

I'm not Calzaghe's biggest fan, but that's harsh.

DeGale reminded me more of Witter. Without the power.

[TFFP]

You're still jumping the gun, the OP asked a question and I answered it honestly. I didn't comment what I thought of DeGales style or performance.
I wasn't even talking about your post, so you've jumped way further than me my friend :good

The general reaction in these parts has been astounding.

[jc]

Said DeGale looked the best on the night and had the best future.

Which contradicted what nearly every other person with eyes saw.

So with 3 olympians on the bill, one black, two white...

...why do you think Nelson said DeGale was the best?

Its got nothing to do with black or white. It is all to do with styles, nelson loves the takes no risks, hit and not get hit, do enough to win style afterall that is the style that won all his title fights.

In reality though, Degale was shit.

[onourway]

Nelson had Williams up on his scorecard in the Quintana fight.

Which part of that was hit and not get hit?

[GazOC]

I wasn't even talking about your post, so you've jumped way further than me my friend :good

The general reaction in these parts has been astounding.

Check through the thread, you must have been talking about my post. There was only 2 other posts in the thread at the time you posted and the other never even mentioned DeGales style...

[achillesthegreat]

Kevin Mitchell wrote an article in the guardian that was total drivel. I hate it when people who don't appreciate someone like DeGale are supposedly blood thirsty and not purists. They are labelled as uneducated boxing fans that don't know what they are seeing. That isn't the truth at all.

DeGales performance wasn't impressive from a purist or blood thirsty perspective. It simply wasn't a good showing and should be accepted as much. As I, and many others thought, despite DeGale being the best amateur he would find it the hardest in the pros. It goes a long way to exposing the amateur system. DeGale and others are talking about the type of opponent he faced (survival journeyman). This wasn't why he couldn't stop him. All the others fought the same sort of opponent but they went for the knockout and didn't stop until they got it. They all fought in pro styles where they sat down on their shots, didn't slap, dug to the body, fought hard rounds and tried to land big shots.

[GazOC]

Kevin Mitchell wrote an article in the guardian that was total drivel. I hate it when people who don't appreciate someone like DeGale are supposedly blood thirsty and not purists. They are labelled as uneducated boxing fans that don't know what they are seeing. That isn't the truth at all.




Yep, I read that article. Its very to take the moral high ground over this and claim to be a purist or a true boxing fan in defence of DeGale and lump all the people who critize the performance as ignorant, blood thirsty thugs. The bottom line is that it was a poor performance, of course DeGale has plenty of time to improve but that doesn't alter the quality of Saturday nights performance.

[brown bomber]

i think degale will get better, his style looks like a versatile one..

i think the way he throws a thousand punches a minute from all different angles might have reminded nelson of calzaghe..Degale doesn't slap.

[ninebar]

Degale doesn't slap.

That's right, He flicks.:D
Seriously though i don't have a problem with DeGale's fighting style, but if your gonna come on with the big swagger and the billy big bollocks attitude then you have to back it up in the ring.

[hit me HARDER]

Said DeGale looked the best on the night and had the best future.

Which contradicted what nearly every other person with eyes saw.

So with 3 olympians on the bill, one black, two white...

...why do you think Nelson said DeGale was the best?


Why are you mentioning colour, Eubank has been DeGale's biggest critic. "GUARANTEED to fail" Chris said. Chris is black incase you hadn't noticed.

I like Johnny Nelson, but he spent alot of time championing his own cowardly in-ring skills, so it's obviously a style he likes to watch i.e DeGale.

The only racial aspect of Nelson's opinion was due to the fact Saunders welched on tarmac'ing Johnny's drive after taking £180 off him.

[onourway]

Why are you mentioning colour, Eubank has been DeGale's biggest critic. "GUARANTEED to fail" Chris said. Chris is black incase you hadn't noticed.

Nelson being racist wouldn't make Eubank racist as well....

[hit me HARDER]

Nelson being racist wouldn't make Eubank racist as well....

Of course it would!!!

[scurlaruntings]

i think degale will get better, his style looks like a versatile one..

i think the way he throws a thousand punches a minute from all different angles might have reminded nelson of calzaghe..Most of those punches were simply nonsense. He has a style that is incredibly amateurish. tapping the head of his opponent hitting with the back of the fist to name a few. Degale has ALOT of work and much to learn. His peformance was VERY average for a debut but he has a safety first style just like Nelson so of course he found him the most impressive.

[onourway]

Of course it would!!!

Alriiiiiiight.

[hit me HARDER]

Alriiiiiiight.

Johnny's brother Azumah said Chris and Johnny were inseperable in Borstal, so it stands to reason they'd have the same views.

[BIG WORM]

Degale doesn't slap.

yea he pats..n strokes

[9Ball]

Race has no part to play in this issue. Nelson clearly just knows fuck all!!

Prior to the fight and at every opportunity since he wont Gold Degale has been talking himself up to be some sort of modern day Sugar Ray Leonard and after his opening fight as a pro he is clearly nothing of the sort.

Fans have been listening to him spout all this shite and even if he had ko'd the guy in the first round he would have got bad press.

To me Degale looks average, possibly British/CW titlist. Nowhere near world class.

He is an arrogant cock. :good

[achillesthegreat]

Degale doesn't slap.
DeGale has worse technique then Calzaghe. DeGale often slaps with the inside and outside of the glove!

[D-MAC]

Race has no part to play in this issue. Nelson clearly just knows fuck all!!


To prove that point you just have to watch Nicky Piper spunking his pants silly over Degale's performance.

There is no race issue here.

[D-MAC]

DeGale has worse technique then Calzaghe. DeGale often slaps with the inside and outside of the glove!

He also likes patting his opponent on the head.:huh

[sam1222]

i agree with jc, after all degale's build up before the fight his performance on the night was shit. but it was only his debut, he's got a lot to learn and definately needs to shed his amateur style. lets just see what happens next.

[sam1222]

i agree with jc, after all degale's build up before the fight his performance on the night was shit. but it was only his debut, he's got a lot to learn and definately needs to shed his amateur style. lets just see what happens next. i like johnny too, but he's in no position to be slagging anyone off, and it wasnt long ago he was saying he wanted to come out of retirement to fight haye cos he felt he could beat him!! whats that all about??

[achillesthegreat]

He also likes patting his opponent on the head.:huh

DeGales jab is a bitch slap/back hand.
His straight right is a cross between a tap and forward slap.
DeGales hook is a looping slap.
His uppercut is a whipping bolo punch.

Note: None of the above is a joke!

Just because he is a south paw who moves and doesn't engage does not mean he is the next coming of Whitaker like some would have you believe.

Out of all the amateurs that have turned pro, his performance is by far the worst.

[9Ball]

DeGales jab is a bitch slap/back hand.
His straight right is a cross between a tap and forward slap.
DeGales hook is a looping slap.
His uppercut is a whipping bolo punch.

Note: None of the above is a joke!

Just because he is a south paw who moves and doesn't engage does not mean he is the next coming of Whitaker like some would have you believe.

Out of all the amateurs that have turned pro, his performance is by far the worst.

I guess your not a fan of Degales style? :nut

[achillesthegreat]

I guess your not a fan of Degales style? :nut

:)

I really want DeGale to succeed. Same as Amir. He is a British Olympian.

He talks a great fight but like Harrison if fights quite poor. He needs to adopt a pro style and that means quality punches where he sits down on them and he needs to dig to the body. He can't talk about how smart he is, how good his boxing brain is and then look so piss poor.

In the amateur his style is fun. It's like human fencing. It's very animated and over 8 minutes it is cool cos they are like energizer bunnys.

BUT OVER 36 MINUTES WHERE HE SLOWS DOWN HIS STYLE! WELL THEN YOU ARE HAVING A LAUGH!

[Ricjkards]

Degales style is nothing like Calzaghe. People forget Calzaghe was heavy handed when he started out, getting ko's all over the place in his first 20 odd fights. After 2004 Calzaghe style completely changed.
Degale was just a joke, no power,no hand injuries and couldn't even hurt the journeyman.

[Mookhound]

oh man, I haven't gone through all this thread, but to suggest that Nelson's comments were motivated by race seems bloody dumb. no evidence for that. Imagine if yer Nelson reading this> what a king cnut he'd think you were

[dwilson]

Kevin Mitchell wrote an article in the guardian that was total drivel. I hate it when people who don't appreciate someone like DeGale are supposedly blood thirsty and not purists. They are labelled as uneducated boxing fans that don't know what they are seeing. That isn't the truth at all.

DeGales performance wasn't impressive from a purist or blood thirsty perspective. It simply wasn't a good showing and should be accepted as much. As I, and many others thought, despite DeGale being the best amateur he would find it the hardest in the pros. It goes a long way to exposing the amateur system. DeGale and others are talking about the type of opponent he faced (survival journeyman). This wasn't why he couldn't stop him. All the others fought the same sort of opponent but they went for the knockout and didn't stop until they got it. They all fought in pro styles where they sat down on their shots, didn't slap, dug to the body, fought hard rounds and tried to land big shots.


I agree with your post. The reaction to the crowd booing has been a disgrace . To label all fans who were not impressed with DeGale as mindless idiots is pathetic and similar to calling all Germans Nazi's or Paddy's thick. Yes some of those booing the fighter were idiots but most were well educated in boxing who just thought that DeGale was shit.




Jonny Nelson is a racist. Never seen him have one good word for a white fighter when one is fighting a black man. Maybe he does realise the shit he spouts but he definetly seems to have a vendetta of some sort.

[Mookhound]

Really? he's hugely supportive of Hatton for a start... Fcuking nonsense

[dwilson]

Really? he's hugely supportive of Hatton for a start... Fcuking nonsense



Yep. I can not remember too many times Jonny being supportive of a white boxer over a black boxer, I doubt it has ever happened. :-( Especially random undrecard fights.


Hopefully someone will find something to prove me wrong because apart from this he seems a genuine good guy.

[Primadonna Kool]

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