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lamont zero
06-17-2007, 01:17 PM
what do you think about asikainen rematching sylvester next week? in their first encounter sylvester got beaten badly via KO. i dont know why they are fighting again. asikainen would have been a good match for arthur abraham. i think asikainen will win again, probably by wide decision. sylvester will be running for dear life. what do you say?
That´s how I see it, yes. Asikainen also is a very experienced boxer, don´t expect any rookie mistake from him. So I don´t really see how Sylvester could win, except by horribly false hometown decision. But his chin is made of glass, so I would expect Asikainen to break him before full time. It depends who takes the lead. Last time, Asikainen went after Sylvester like a killer because he didn´t want it to go to cards, having lost some rounds. He usually aims at winning rounds rather than mauling like a windmill, so if he fights more focused the first rounds, you may expect him to go for clear UD. But if Sylvester keeps up with him, he will go into KO mode.
Toney
06-17-2007, 04:51 PM
I think that Sylvester is an underrated fighter. Nobody here seems to think he is any good. He his handspeed is defenetly in top three in world middleweights. Also Sauerland does belive in this guy. They payd 252 000€ to get this fight in to Germany. That is really big money for an EBU-titlefight If they would had not belived in Sylvester they would had just sent him to Finland. They must be confident that Sylvester will win. And how often does Sauerland make big mistakes? Not too often... Sauerland is trying to make Sylvester a world champion. They dont pay 252 000€ just to get someone to be EBU-champ. I belive that Abraham will move soon up to super middleweight and then Sauerland wants Sylvester to fight for the vacant middleweight IBF-world title. That might be their plan?
How often do you see foreign fighter go twice to Germany and win both fights? They might get one upset win, but not two.
But Amin Asikainen is something special. He is not a usual guy. I think that Sauerland is AGAIN making a mistace with him. I think that Asikainen will shine and beat Sylvester again. The German fans will go home sad, but they will see an performance from the next middleweight champion of the world; Amin Asikainen.
Toney
06-17-2007, 05:01 PM
sylvester has no chin. big deal if asakainen wins. you only hype him up so you can say that asakainen beat a good contender. You will learn to spell his name right soon. Sylvester is a good contender. He is ranked #9 in the world by The Ring Magazine. Well... maybe they just don´t know shit? And maybe Sauerland Event´s managers are just total idiot for investing a lot of money to a peace of crap fighter like Sylvester? They are just picking the wrong opponent, becouse Asikainen did not really shine against Sipos and Di Giacomo. But Asikainen can fight a lot better than in those fights and I think he will show in the rematch with Sylvester.
Malysz, Sylvester was considered as an future world champ over a year ago, until Asikainen laid him to sleep. People forget fast. Asikainen, in right night, with his good hook, will demolish ANY middleweight. The guy is a warrior. You can´t win him just by being a better boxer. He will run you through. His conditioning, chin and one-punch power will make him dangerous against any man he faces. So dangerous, that they are ducking him now. No way Sturm would face him. Abraham got Gevor instead of him as a mandatory, what a lucky b..ch... and I guess we don´t even need to talk about Taylor.
And I never meant to undermine Sylvester, he is technically good and awesome handspeed. I just don´t see him being strong enough for an opponent like Asikainen. He might do well against any guy who relies purely on handspeed like himself.
25-year old EBU middleweight champion with almost a perfect record of 21-1 (loss in a debut long time ago, after that perfect record) and Ring magazine #7 rank definitely sounds like a rising champion to me. They were on their way of arranging a fight with Sturm when Asikainen stopped this rising star. And there´s no point to babble something like "he might be ranked well, but has no chin or power"... look at Felix Sturm. He is very limited too, but does well what he does and is a world champ. Of course you can bash him for being a long-range fighter who does not trade etc... but truth is he would be able to compete with any fighter of his weightclass. Like I said, people forget fast and much is determined by one night. Hell, Sylvester might even be a WBA world champ now, had he not picked Asikainen as his opponent. And now he pays the price again.
Sylvester keeps saying how he has corrected his errors and that they made him lose in the first fight. Asikainen looks a bit nervous or annoyed in public workout. I gotta say, if Asikainen pulls it off again, he is THE REAL THING. He´s not facing a super puncher here, but he´s facing a guy who is technically comparable to Felix Sturm and who has studied Asikainen really well and gets another chance at him. Germans are in full support for Sylvester. This is definitely the biggest challenge for Idi so far.
Sylvester KO: No way. Asikainen´s conditioning will keep him busy and his chin can take it too. If Sylvester even tries this, he is done himself.
Sylvester decision: If he wins, he wins by tight UD or controversial MD/SD...it´s possible however. If it goes the full route, it´s anybody´s fight ´cause then it ain´t about who was hurt. Sylvester´s fast front hand allows him to score points.
Asikainen KO: He needs this. And he has a good chance too. Sylvester is prone for cuts, has a suspect chin and has struggled against weaker men than Asikainen. Asikainen needs to hurt him. If he does, it should go all the way.
Asikainen decision: After fights with Sylvester and Sipos, I might´ve said Asikainen has problems winning this by points, but against Lorenzo Di Giacomo he was really stable and strong and won pretty much all 12 rounds. Unlike Sylvester, who won him barely despite of the Italian losing a point. If Asikainen can have a strong start and keep his head straight like he did last time defending his title, he will win enough rounds.
Toney
06-19-2007, 05:52 PM
Who is the last foreign fighter who has beaten TWICE a hometown boxer in Germany? Sauerland dont make mistakes like that. But Asikainen is special, he can do it.
unitas
06-20-2007, 06:29 AM
Who is the last foreign fighter who has beaten TWICE a hometown boxer in Germany? Sauerland dont make mistakes like that. But Asikainen is special, he can do it.
berry butler did it last time:yep.
anyway, asakainen, if he wants to present himself as a threat to guys like abraham and pavlik, he better make this a clear and dominant victory.
Leifhackman
06-20-2007, 06:36 AM
Sylvester keeps saying how he has corrected his errors and that they made him lose in the first fight. Asikainen looks a bit nervous or annoyed in public workout. I gotta say, if Asikainen pulls it off again, he is THE REAL THING.
Did you see the public workout somewhere? On the net maybe? Could you pls tell the address?
Being also a Finn my guess would be that Asikainen's nervousness would be because of being public, surrounded by people he doesn't really know what they're talking about. What I have heard, seen and read about Asikainen he's a great guy. Not bragging, down to earth, hard worker kind of guy. But being in public is propably not the strongest sides of any Finns by nature unless they're really doing what they know they do at least as well as anyone else if not better. I think in Asikainen's case this would suggest being in action in the ring.
I have gotten the feeling that this time Sylvester is going to get the ride of his life. I think Asikainen will come after him as much as it takes, run after him as fast as it takes, get up from the floor as many times as it takes, even jump out the ring after him if that's what it takes. As long as the last bell will ring or the referee comes to put an end for it. Especially if after the first rounds there's any doubt about who is ahead I think it's going to be hotter than in hell in the ring. I'm almost afraid on behalf of Sylvester if Asikainen feels at some point that he has nothing to loose but only to win.
On the other hand I'm sure it would be great to see Asikainen working his way through if he feels he's behind in points or if he's a bit annoyed after having his face rubbed against glove a bit more than what he likes.
Why do I feel this way... I don't know.. I really don't.. just a feeling. Am I becoming fanatic or something?
What comes to the "world rankings" I think they suggest something but still neither of the boxers have fought against world class guys but each other and I don't think their previous opponents have either. So... to me these paper comparisons are just comparison on the paper. Get the guys in the box and we'll see. I think Asikainen - Castillejo would be great to see. Couldn't they set the title vacant and send Sturm to run in the Olympics or something?
Castillejo is done. He had a good swan song as the WBA champion. I mean, for actually winning it, he lost both his fights after that.
I didn´t see the public workout, I just saw pictures of it at wiking-boxteam´s pages. Then again, all their pics of Sylvester are of him beating on someone, and all pics of Asikainen have taken when he is taking a punch from SS. So I guess they are just Sylvester-fans who take the fact that their boxer is no killer and got whooped. Asikainen did look nervous or uncomfortable in those pics, but then again I am not his wife, I don´t know his expressions.
I only hope Sylvester gets knocked out so that every damn German can admit who was the man. UD might be even juicier.
mrrogers
06-20-2007, 01:09 PM
Who is the last foreign fighter who has beaten TWICE a hometown boxer in Germany?
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Toney
06-20-2007, 04:57 PM
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Yeah, he had goog fights with Urkal. Harris beat Urkal to the punch and overpowered him. Same way as Asikainen will do Saturday.
I´m a bit worried. If Sylvester won´t come close, he might pull it off with random lightning usage of his frontal hand. Asikainen needs to hurt him early on with side hooks. To the body!
Leifhackman
06-21-2007, 08:00 AM
I´m a bit worried. If Sylvester won´t come close, he might pull it off with random lightning usage of his frontal hand. Asikainen needs to hurt him early on with side hooks. To the body!
Well... Sylverster can run but he can't hide.
Toney
06-21-2007, 08:31 AM
Well... Sylverster can run but he can't hide. Sylvester is no runner. He is a BOXER yes, not a slugger, but he aint no runner! He is 172cm and a middleweight, he is a strong guy, althought he does not have KO power. When did you see this guy running from someone?
unitas
06-21-2007, 01:22 PM
eSylvester is no runner. He is a BOXER yes, not a slugger, but he aint no runner! He is 172cm and a middleweight, he is a strong guy, althought he does not have KO power. When did you see this guy running from someone?
sylvester comes forward behind a tight guard and a great jab. he doesnt run.
but how come sylvester was ahead last time before getting nailed?? can asikainen outbox him??? OR will he need the ko??
So much about Asikainen... Knocked out by light-punching Sylvester... :yep
Ramon Rojo
06-23-2007, 07:15 PM
So much about Asikainen... Knocked out by light-punching Sylvester... :yep
Abraham would have killed Asikainen.
unitas
06-23-2007, 07:16 PM
[quote=Ramon Rojo]Abraham would have killed Asikainen.[/quot
killed him and then fucked his corpes......
The wrong fighter won that fight IMO.Dont get me wrong,mates! Slyvester won his encounter with Asikainen fair and square,but they are both more or less on the same level.However,Asikainen has the upper hand in firepower.He scored a knockdown at the end of the very first round,and had his opponent in trouble in round 6 when he hurt the German with one of his vicious punches.A pity that the Finnish fighter ran out of gas in the later rounds.I for my part part had him ahead on points after 10 rounds.
Why did the wrong fighter win that fight?
Well,does anyone here really think that Sylvester has a decent chance against any of the present middle weight top guns? I wouldnt bet a single coin on the German against Abraham,Winky,Taylor,Sturm,Miranda,Gevor,Carrera,and so on.
At least the fighter from Finnland would have a puncher's chance against the abovementioned names.
By the way I wouldnt mind watching a rubber match between Slyvester and Asikainen.
unitas
06-23-2007, 07:41 PM
The wrong fighter won that fight IMO.Dont get me wrong,mates! Slyvester won his encounter with Asikainen fair and square,but they are both more or less on the same level.However,Asikainen has the upper hand in firepower.He scored a knockdown at the end of the very first round,and had his opponent in trouble in round 6 when he hurt the German with one of his vicious punches.A pity that the Finnish fighter ran out of gas in the later rounds.I for my part part had him ahead on points after 10 rounds.
Why did the wrong fighter win that fight?
Well,does anyone here really think that Sylvester has a decent chance against any of the present middle weight top guns? I wouldnt bet a single coin on the German against Abraham,Winky,Taylor,Sturm,Miranda,Gevor,Carrera,and so on.
At least the fighter from Finnland would have a puncher's chance against the abovementioned names.
By the way I wouldnt mind watching a rubber match between Slyvester and Asikainen.
Sylvester would have a great chance against ms. sturm......
So much about Asikainen... Knocked out by light-punching Sylvester... :yep
Well,he wasnt really knocked out by Sylvester,was he!
He ran out of gas,and would have gone done anyway because of exhaustion.
Asikainen should have gone for the kill in round 6 when he hurt his German opponent.
Asikainen needs a better coach IMO.He has potential,and should be able to come back and make some noise,but he is no top fighter,and will never be one IMO.
unitas
06-23-2007, 07:44 PM
Well,he wasnt really knocked out by Sylvester,was he!
He ran out of gas,and would have gone done anyway because of exhaustion.
Asikainen should have gone for the kill in round 6 when he hurt his German opponent.
Asikainen needs a better coach IMO.He has potential,and should be able to come back and make some noise,but he is no top fighter,and will never be one IMO.
are you dumb or what??? the stoppage was punch induced.........asikainen was hurt bad.
ran out of gas my ass.:nono
Abraham,Winky,Taylor,Sturm,Miranda,Gevor,Carrera,and so on.
Only the first 3 names are above the rest, these other guys are very beatable especially Gevor, Sturm and Carrera.
Asikainen wouldn't have a chance in hell against the top guys. Sure, he has a better punch than Sylvester but still not good enough to trouble the top guys. Add to that that he isn't that skilled and that he seems to be extremely chinny... forget it.
are you dumb or what??? the stoppage was punch induced.........asikainen was hurt bad.
ran out of gas my ass.:nono
No,I am not dumb! Watch that fight again,and especially the last round of their encounter! The fighter from Finnland totally ran out of gas in the later rounds.Of course some of Sylvester's punches found their target ,too.However,it wasnt the feather fisted GErman's punches which did the damage,but Amin's lack of stamina.
Anyway! Sebastin won that fight fair and square.
So dont whine,and start namecalling,mate!
unitas
06-23-2007, 07:56 PM
No,I am not dumb! Watch that fight again,and especially the last round of their encounter! The fighter from Finnland totally ran out of gas in the later rounds.Of course some of Sylvester's punches found their target ,too.However,it wasnt the feather fisted GErman's punches which did the damage,but Amin's lack of stamina.
Anyway! Sebastin won that fight fair and square.
So dont whine,and start namecalling,mate!
you are a joke. sylvesters punches did the damge. :yep
Only the first 3 names are above the rest, these other guys are very beatable especially Gevor, Sturm and Carrera.
Asikainen wouldn't have a chance in hell against the top guys. Sure, he has a better punch than Sylvester but still not good enough to trouble the top guys. Add to that that he isn't that skilled and that he seems to be extremely chinny... forget it.
Carrera would just overpower him being able to stop Sylvester in the later rounds IMO.I am not sold on Sturm,but I guess that he would easily outbox Sylvester.As for Gevor he for sure has the edge in mental toughness.Sylvester is feather fisted,and I very much doubt that he could duke it out with the Armenian warrior Ghevor
you are a joke. sylvesters punches did the damge. :yep
As I said go and watch that fight again,and pay particular attention to the later rounds of Amin vs Sebastien!
Dumb?Joke? Hm! What 's next? So far you havent impressed me much with your silly namecalling.
unitas
06-23-2007, 08:09 PM
As I said go and watch that fight again,and pay particular attention to the later rounds of Amin vs Sebastien!
Dumb?Joke? Hm! What 's next? So far you havent impressed me much with your silly namecalling.
punches baby......punches turned asikainens legs to jelly.
get out of your wheelchair and watch it again......if you have the time!
old people sometimes need a special invitation....:yep
I have to agree I didn't see any particular stamina problems, I just saw that Asikainen utterly caved in once hit with a decent punch from light-hitting Sylvester. And come on.. if Carrera isn't roided up he is as mediocre as lots of other guys, overpower :nut yeah right ... Sturm is a joke as a title holder, he is the definition of a paper champ, and Gevor lost to fucking Lukas Konecny twice inside the distance. Are you trying to be funny here ? :huh
unitas
06-23-2007, 08:10 PM
I have to agree I didn't see any particular staima problems, I just saw that Asikainen utterly caved in once hit with a decent punch from light-hitting Sylvester. And come on.. if Carrera isn't roided up he is as mediocre as lots of other guys, overpower :nut yeah right ... Sturm is a joke as a title holder, he is the definition of a paper champ, and Gevor lost to fucking Lukas Konecny twice inside the distance. Are you trying to be funny here ? :huh
a word of truth....:yep:yep:yep
I have to agree I didn't see any particular stamina problems, I just saw that Asikainen utterly caved in once hit with a decent punch from light-hitting Sylvester. And come on.. if Carrera isn't roided up he is as mediocre as lots of other guys, overpower :nut yeah right ... Sturm is a joke as a title holder, he is the definition of a paper champ, and Gevor lost to fucking Lukas Konecny twice inside the distance. Are you trying to be funny here ? :huh
Well,did you watch Konecny vs Gevor I + II ?
Or any of Carrera's fights?
As I have already said again and again I am not sold on Sturm,but to call him a joke makes you sound like that comp geek unitas.
Don't worry, I have seen all of the guys we are talking about. I din't call Sturm a joke I called him a joke as a title holder and that's nothing but the truth, he is not a legit champ and never will be.
giggigreto
06-23-2007, 11:01 PM
I read that sylvester's victory wasn't clean. He punched asikainen on the back of the head after a clinch, when asikainen was still bent. That caused the first knockdown and virtually closed the fight,as the finnish didn't recover in time to avoid the final defeat.
Has that really happened??
I didn't watch this fight
Ramon Rojo
06-24-2007, 01:23 AM
ran out of gas my ass.
:blood
Flurry
06-24-2007, 04:35 AM
Sylvester imo the technically better man with the better jab and the better defence, Asikainen is the bigger puncher but leaves himself open. Entertaining fight that could have gone either way, though sylvester got the better of him at the end. Thats not to say hes a world beater, but this was one of his more convincing showings. He already wobbled him with a right shortly before the stoppage and the Finn should have received a count for it.
Looking forward to gervor vs Abrams which should be a trench war as long as its going to last
Tom_Tocca
06-24-2007, 05:01 AM
Sylvester imo the technically better man with the better jab and the better defence, Asikainen is the bigger puncher but leaves himself open. Entertaining fight that could have gone either way, though sylvester got the better of him at the end. Thats not to say hes a world beater, but this was one of his more convincing showings. He already wobbled him with a right shortly before the stoppage and the Finn should have received a count for it.
Looking forward to gervor vs Abrams which should be a trench war as long as its going to last
Hey Merry, good to see you back...
I read that sylvester's victory wasn't clean. He punched asikainen on the back of the head after a clinch, when asikainen was still bent.
It was a punch to the side not the back of the head. Sylvester pushed his head down before the punch so it wasn't that clean of a knockdown but still nothing remotely close to a disqualification.
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Sylvester won the match by knockout, but I also think it was caused by the stamina problems of Asikainen. The guy was not standing strong on his feets due to his fatique and felt multiple times when Sylvestre gave him a push.
Sylvester won't have any chanche against the top level fighters, because he hasn't got any punchpower and his defence is still not good, when he faces an attacking fighter, he gets hit by hard punches multiple times.
After all I'm happy, cause I was rooting for Sylvester:happy
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