You who are UNIMPRESSED by PETER

[Suge Green]

A common talking point heard from those who believe Peter's punching power is overated is, "Peter hasn't even KO'd one top ten opponent..."

While this point is factual and unworthy of debate, I wonder where those of you who count yourselves among Peter's detractors are going with this...???

Do you really doubt Peter's power, or are you just having fun with this "temporary fact."

This poll is not exclusive to those who dislike Peter.

[Piffer]

I don't doubt his power. He's scored some scary KOs and is the first person to seriously hurt James Toney. I just can't stand his lumbering style. It sucks and I can't wait to see him knocked the fuck out.

[Lacyace]

Nah, Peter hits like a ton of bricks. But he's mad overrated.

[RUSKULL]

I really don't like Peter because of his style or lack thereof. I found it amusing that many thought of Sam as the "New Tyson" or "Another Ike" when he has quite a ways to go before being mentioned in the same sentence as those 2. I do believe his power is largely overrated since he KO'd Jeremy Williams but it's not like that was the first time Williams was KO'd. It was a spectacular KO but more due to the fact Williams left himself open and never saw the left hook coming.

[Stinky gloves]

The point is Peter is powerful ... but not really skilled for the top level competition.
So the SKILLED guys either tall (Wlad) ar short (Toney) may avoid his punching power to some extend and not being KOed.

The problem with Peter is thet he have also great chin.
So people must stay with him the whole 12 rounds and be cautious the whole time.
This is actually highly affecting the scorecards.
Peter may safely score points bcs his oponents are reluctant to brawl with him.

Bottom line, he have big punching power however his punches are not effective until cleanly landed.
His punching power work for him indirectly ... his opponents are more cautious and less efficient.

[RUSKULL]

A common talking point heard from those who believe Peter's punching power is overated is, "Peter hasn't even KO'd one top ten opponent..."

While this point is factual and unworthy of debate, I wonder where those of you who count yourselves among Peter's detractors are going with this...???

Do you really doubt Peter's power, or are you just having fun with this "temporary fact."

This poll is not exclusive to those who dislike Peter.

What is it about Peter that you like?

[RUSKULL]

The point is Peter is powerful ... but not really skilled for the top level competition.
So the SKILLED guys either tall (Wlad) ar short (Toney) may avoid his punching power to some extend and not being KOed.

The problem with Peter is thet he have also great chin.
So people must stay with him the whole 12 rounds and be cautious the whole time.
This is actually highly affecting the scorecards.
Peter may safely score points bcs his oponents are reluctant to brawl with him.

Bottom line, he have big punching power however his punches are not effective until cleanly landed.
His punching power work for him indirectly ... his opponents are more cautious and less efficient.

Fair enough there Stinky!

[Suge Green]

What is it about Peter that you like?

He fights with his heart...he has an admirable level of determination to improve his fighting style/ability, rather than simply cover up his flaws with a band-aid approach.

The fact that he fought Toney again instead of going to court, and beat him much more decisively, is also worthy of mention.

He is also believable when he talks about wanting to fight for all the championships...he gives the public the feeling he would take any shot he could get, rather than attempting to get us to subscribe to whatever reasoning he may be floating at the moment for not taking over the division.

...just to name a coulple of things, and obviously he is a tremendously exciting fighter, with still unrealized potential.

[Lance_Uppercut]

I'm not unimpressed, but I haven't been WOWED by Peter either.

[Amsterdam]

It's become so ridiculous with people underrating Peter that they are picking Maskaev to defeat him.

[Lance_Uppercut]

ANYONE who picks Maskaev should be forced to watch him vs. Kirk Johnson, Corey Sanders and Lance Whitaker ad nauseum...

[anut]

hes horrible.....he takes a good punch...thats it.....his teqnique is horrid.................maquev will beat him:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

[psychopath]

A common talking point heard from those who believe Peter's punching power is overated is, "Peter hasn't even KO'd one top ten opponent..."

While this point is factual and unworthy of debate, I wonder where those of you who count yourselves among Peter's detractors are going with this...???

Do you really doubt Peter's power, or are you just having fun with this "temporary fact."

This poll is not exclusive to those who dislike Peter.

. . . oh no worry a K.O. on the top ten opponent will come shortly. :D

I've seen a lot of improvement with the guy and I'm impressed so far. I want to see if he can still continue to improve fighting on the higher level of competition.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Oleg will brutally KO Peter mark my words. :nod

Have you SEEN Maskaev before the Rahman fight? :huh

While he has some power, he's perhaps the only guy who can make Lance Whitaker look like Floyd Mayweather jr. A slow plodder with no chin is NOT the best combination for Sam Peter.

At the very least, Maskaev won a HW world title and made some good scratch. No disrespect to Oleg, he's a pretty good guy.

[thewoo]

He always has a punchers chance so I am sure that eventually he will KO someone. I don't think that his power in itself is overrated, but most of the time it's useless because his teqnique is so horrible that he can't deliver it.

[AJAX]

I'm somewhat impressed by Peter, he does have power and a great chin and showed he can go 12 rounds.But I'm not going to judge him by his victory over Toney, Oleg will be a good test to see if he's ready for Vitaly.....which I don't think he'll win anyway

[Zakman]

It's become so ridiculous with people underrating Peter that they are picking Maskaev to defeat him.
This is really the most absurd thing that's been going on. I mean Maskaev was stopped by Kirk Johnson, Corey Sanders and Lance Whitaker - hardly a "murderers row" of punchers. And chins don't IMPROVE with age.

Peter isn't just gonna knock Oleg out, he's gonna knock him out COLD. And EARLY.

[cross_trainer]

A common talking point heard from those who believe Peter's punching power is overated is, "Peter hasn't even KO'd one top ten opponent..."

While this point is factual and unworthy of debate, I wonder where those of you who count yourselves among Peter's detractors are going with this...???

Do you really doubt Peter's power, or are you just having fun with this "temporary fact."

This poll is not exclusive to those who dislike Peter.

KO'ing a top 10 fighter definitely cements a fighter's reputation as a legitimate puncher. Consider that many mediocre boxers can rack up large KO streaks against bad opposition. There are many reasons for this--bad fighters sometimes just don't have the chins to compete at a higher level, or lack defensive skills. The same reasoning--to a lesser extent--is true when comparing fighters' wins against top opposition vs. journeyman opposition.

For instance, I do not consider Shavers' power equal to Tyson's, since the latter demolished far better opposition.



If/when Peter produces a brutal knockout of Maskaev, I will consider him in a better light than I do right now...not that I consider him a weak puncher as-is (he packs quite a wallop), but my opinion of his power will improve if he demolishes Maskaev.

[Daruf]

I see Peter as a cheap version of David Tua.
Definitely has good power and a good chin but that is about it.
To be effective against Toney he had to take off so much power of his shots that it became a non factor.
Also he looked so painfully ordinary against Wlad....

If he beats Maskaev in a decisive manner i will start giving him props though but as of yet he is very very unproven.

[AJAX]

This is really the most absurd thing that's been going on. I mean Maskaev was stopped by Kirk Johnson, Corey Sanders and Lance Whitaker - hardly a "murderers row" of punchers. And chins don't IMPROVE with age.

Peter isn't just gonna knock Oleg out, he's gonna knock him out COLD. And EARLY.

Oleg isn't Jeremy Williams and he hasn't been KO'd since he changed his team, I can't believe soem people think peter will paste the ring with Oleg's organs. Peter is not that much better than Oleg

[1-Ton]

Peter has A level power with C level boxing ability. Big O will coast to a UD.

[BoxingGuru]

Scam Cheater doesn't know how to throw punches to the front of the head, hence he knocks C level opposition out with behind the head shots and the VERY occasional front of the head shot. Other than that, he has accomplished nothing that shitty Ruiz and Rahman already did. Beat a fat lazy steroid using loser named James Toney. Who else has Scam Cheater beat?

[brooklyn1550]

There is a first time for everything - Peter will KO a top 5 heavyweight on October 6th (mark my words)

[brooklyn1550]

Scam Cheater doesn't know how to throw punches to the front of the head, hence he knocks C level opposition out with behind the head shots and the VERY occasional front of the head shot. Other than that, he has accomplished nothing that shitty Ruiz and Rahman already did. Beat a fat lazy steroid using loser named James Toney. Who else has Scam Cheater beat?

Wait 'till October 6th Guru:deal You will be forced to recant some of those statements

[PH|LLA]

peter beats oleg by UD

[PATSYS]

Peter is hyped up, no doubt. He is the HW version of Lacy. His power is overrated.

[Zakman]

Oleg isn't Jeremy Williams and he hasn't been KO'd since he changed his team, I can't believe soem people think peter will paste the ring with Oleg's organs. Peter is not that much better than Oleg

Oleg may not be Jeremy Williams, but he has Jeremy Williams' chin. Anybody that gets knocked out by a light-hitter like Kirk Johnson and medicore arm punchers like Whitaker and Sanders cannot, I repeat CANNOT stand up to a single good shot from Sam Peter.

And whatever people say about Peter's skills, he's not gonna go all fight without landing a single solid shot on Oleg's crystal whiskers. And one is ALL it will take.

[Jinx]

Peter is still the biggest threat to Wlad right now...

[Decker]

We all know how sports fans, maybe fight fans even more, seem to dislike or hate certain athletes, and show irrational biases. I generally don't dislike but a few fighters. I happen to like Peter for what he is - an entertainer (what pro athletes basically are) who happens to be in the fight game. Same with Oleg. No doubt Peter is one of the harder punchers in the HWT ranks, and he has a solid jaw. But the guy is crude, and I don't think he's ever going to be graceful in the ring. He may improve, he may grab a belt, but the guy will never be anything close to a smooth fighter. :deal

The debates on the upcoming Maskaev-Peter fight have been interesting due to the wide range of views. For his age and previous KO losses, Oleg is to be credited for showing determination and obtaining a HWT champ belt. OM was badly rushed vs heavy hitters early in his career. He may not have a "glass" jaw, but he obviously doesn't have a Chuvalo type one either. Btw, it seems too many posters are quick to use the "glass jaw" tag on a fighter that suffers a few T/KO losses; and to a lesser extent "iron jaw" tag on guys that have avoided a stoppage loss - even before they have had many fights vs top comp. The truth is that most fighters have average or mediocre jaws. And among HWTs - who keep getting bigger - I think we may be getting to the point where punching power is exceeding punch/jaw resistance. Over the years there have been some good discussions on ESB re this topic.

I try not to over or underrate a fighter. Given Oleg’s late 30s age, so-so jaw, and SP big punch I have Peter as the favorite in their upcoming fight. But not the overwhelming fav. Oleg will have to survive the early rounds and frustrate Sam. But SP seems to carry his power late, and at OM's age he may tire just as much, get careless, and get stopped. If it goes to decision, it could be close. This is Peter big chance to KO a top 10 guy. If he fails to stop a late 30s version of OM, SP will drop more than a few spots in my rankings. I was also disappointed he did not stop Toney. JT has done very little at HWT.

Oh, Virchis vs Peter could be a blast - literally ! Valuev-Peter to a lesser extent. Neither fight would be a master piece of the sweet science :yep but they might be fun to watch.

[getup]

PETER KO1 and yeah im betting the house on that!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Orang-Utan Jim]

Afaik the fight is promoted by Peters people (Duva, Kotzev, King). So Maskaev wont win a decision in the US. But he will make it a close fight....Maskaevs experience and skills are two leagues above Peters.

[madpup]

You can count on Maskaev preparing well and coming in with a game plan. Peter's skills are that crude, I can see Maskaev avoiding the big punch for 12 rounds and winning a UD by about 4 rounds.

Someone else here used a great analogy, having having great power, but very crude boxing skills is like having a 12 inch cock and being a premature ejaculator.

[Stewbear]

Oleg may not be Jeremy Williams, but he has Jeremy Williams' chin. Anybody that gets knocked out by a light-hitter like Kirk Johnson and medicore arm punchers like Whitaker and Sanders cannot, I repeat CANNOT stand up to a single good shot from Sam Peter.

And whatever people say about Peter's skills, he's not gonna go all fight without landing a single solid shot on Oleg's crystal whiskers. And one is ALL it will take.

I swear every attempt at analysis you make it always comes down to your bizzare method of ratinig boxers chins, as if nothing else matters.

[BewareofDawg]

It's not his "power", it's his ability to set up and land clean, straight shots that is preventing the KOs from happening.

[Grabonator]

Peter is hyped up, no doubt. He is the HW version of Lacy. His power is overrated.

Maybe Peter is the heavyweights Lacy, but we have no heavyweight Calzaghe and Lacy is not bad! :deal

[RonnieHornschuh]

zakman- i agree with you that glass chinned maskaev will lose by ko, but you can't compare sanders and the arm-punching whitaker with kirk johnson who had decent power (before he turned into a whale), that ko punch was huge.

[Sinew]

The point is Peter is powerful ... but not really skilled for the top level competition.
So the SKILLED guys either tall (Wlad) ar short (Toney) may avoid his punching power to some extend and not being KOed.

The problem with Peter is thet he have also great chin.
So people must stay with him the whole 12 rounds and be cautious the whole time.
This is actually highly affecting the scorecards.
Peter may safely score points bcs his oponents are reluctant to brawl with him.

Bottom line, he have big punching power however his punches are not effective until cleanly landed.
His punching power work for him indirectly ... his opponents are more cautious and less efficient.That sounds, about right.

[J_Roth]

I like Sam Peter. Seems like a very decent person. I see him getting ko's against top 10's it just hasn't happened yet. He may be a bit overhyped tho.

[Amsterdam]

Right, Wlad is better than Calzaghe and so is Chagaev :p

Peter would paste Chagaev, who is overrated. I can't believe that you really think that Peter and Oleg are on the same page, you are severely underestimating him. Meanwhile Chagaev has had close fights with average fighters, such as Virchis and Ruiz, Valuev, very telling of his true ability that becomes overblown with critics.

What happens when Peter KO 1 Maskaev happens? Because it's going to be early.

[Amsterdam]

Chagaev has as much power and as a good chin as Peter but has faster hands, better defence and better technique. And he beat better competition. Chagaev is a whole level above the hype-job that is Peter.
If Peter would KO Maskaev early it would still only mean he landed a lucky punch because that´s the only way he can win against guys with decent skills.

Virchis seemed to give Chagaev plenty of trouble and he's far worse when it comes to crudeness than Peter, seeing as Sprott nearly beat him.:yep

Seriously, anybody who struggles with Virchis, a non-clinch happy Ruiz and Valuev is not to be held as a favourite over Sam Peter, because Peter would have demolished all 3 of them with ease.

And it's not lucky, Peter is a pressuring power puncher, his style is go out, cut off the ring and throw bombs at you, his skills are improving as well. Why do you think Maskaev did everything to try to avoid this fight?

Because he cannot win. Peter KO 1.

[Darthmage]

I don't doubt his power. He's scored some scary KOs and is the first person to seriously hurt James Toney. I just can't stand his lumbering style. It sucks and I can't wait to see him knocked the fuck out.

You are an alias of MR KOOL, that is all. next!

[madpup]

Peter would paste Chagaev, who is overrated. I can't believe that you really think that Peter and Oleg are on the same page, you are severely underestimating him. Meanwhile Chagaev has had close fights with average fighters, such as Virchis and Ruiz, Valuev, very telling of his true ability that becomes overblown with critics.



Virchis, Ruiz and Valuev did more at heavyweight than anyone that Peter ever beat. Your logic is highly flawed. Chagaev has far superior skills to Peter and is a tough cookie. I didnt see the VIrchis fight, but his wins over Ruiz and Valuev were convincing, you have to be blind to say he struggled. For someone who rates himself as a boxing expert, you sure are extremely bias in your views.

[buddynabuick]

Nah, Peter hits like a ton of bricks. But he's mad overrated.


I think time will show that to be the case. He appears to carry to much bodyfat

[Amsterdam]

Virchis, Ruiz and Valuev did more at heavyweight than anyone that Peter ever beat. Your logic is highly flawed. Chagaev has far superior skills to Peter and is a tough cookie. I didnt see the VIrchis fight, but his wins over Ruiz and Valuev were convincing, you have to be blind to say he struggled. For someone who rates himself as a boxing expert, you sure are extremely bias in your views.

First of all, I am no expert, I consider myself a 'dedicated fan' and express my views how I see them. Though, I get annoyed with some of the official 'experts' when you read their garbage.

A true 'expert' is someone like Cross_Trainer who posts here.

And he did struggle with Ruiz and Valuev, I watched both fights, the Valuev fight live and I scored it 7-5 for Chagaev. Ruiz was a fraudulent fighter to begin with and Valuev got some 'names' on his record, but he mostly Maskaev level names like Barrett and what not, he was fed King's left over stable so King could get some money out of him, he's not proven anything at HW.

Chagaev's best claim to date for me is beating an old Felix Savon in the amatuers, even though Savon was older, the man was a genius amatuer boxer, so I give Chagaev the credit due there and I am being serious.

Peter lacks a big win, but he's already done more than Virchis, saying otherwise is ridiculous unless you consider fatboy Italian Vidoz to be something significant at the weight class, or his deep struggle with Michael Sprott. Just because a fighter lacks a resume, does not mean that they haven't shown the necessary intangibles and assetts to be a serious player in the set division, in which Chagaev has shown to be vulnerable in my opinion, even more so than Ibragimov(who is turn gets little credit:lol: ).

But whatever, Ibragimov was going to defeat him anyway and in turn Ibragimov will probably beat Holyfield and then lose by KO in a unification match against Peter.

[madpup]

First of all, I am no expert, I consider myself a 'dedicated fan' and express my views how I see them. Though, I get annoyed with some of the official 'experts' when you read their garbage.

A true 'expert' is someone like Cross_Trainer who posts here.

And he did struggle with Ruiz and Valuev, I watched both fights, the Valuev fight live and I scored it 7-5 for Chagaev. Ruiz was a fraudulent fighter to begin with and Valuev got some 'names' on his record, but he mostly Maskaev level names like Barrett and what not, he was fed King's left over stable so King could get some money out of him, he's not proven anything at HW.

Chagaev's best claim to date for me is beating an old Felix Savon in the amatuers, even though Savon was older, the man was a genius amatuer boxer, so I give Chagaev the credit due there and I am being serious.

Peter lacks a big win, but he's already done more than Virchis, saying otherwise is ridiculous unless you consider fatboy Italian Vidoz to be something significant at the weight class, or his deep struggle with Michael Sprott. Just because a fighter lacks a resume, does not mean that they haven't shown the necessary intangibles and assetts to be a serious player in the set division, in which Chagaev has shown to be vulnerable in my opinion, even more so than Ibragimov(who is turn gets little credit:lol: ).

But whatever, Ibragimov was going to defeat him anyway and in turn Ibragimov will probably beat Holyfield and then lose by KO in a unification match against Peter.

I thought Chagaev won convinsingly myself, Valuev never really looked like he stood a chance, apart from landing a knockout punch in the last few rounds, and he is no knockout master.
The way I see it: Chagaev has good power, decent skills, good chin, good defence, toughness and big heart. Peter has very good power, poor skills, non-existent defence, great chin, toughness and a big heart. On top of that Chagaev's resume is superior. Yes, you can not always go by the past record, this does not give an indea of boxer's ability and intangibles. I just do not see what these intangibles are in Peter. I can not for the world see how Peter has anything but a marginal chance against Ruslan.

[pipe wrenched]

IMO, Peter will get the job done against Oleg.

[Zakman]

zakman- i agree with you that glass chinned maskaev will lose by ko, but you can't compare sanders and the arm-punching whitaker with kirk johnson who had decent power (before he turned into a whale), that ko punch was huge.

Johnson never seemed like a big puncher to me. Always seemed to me more of a boxer-type - and a good one at that. I understand he is BY FAR the best of the three, and if he didn't spend so much time in the Mickey D's drive thru, he actually could have done something in the divsion. But that he blew out Oleg so badly when he's not reallly known as a hard hitter is further evidence of just HOW bad Maskaev's chin is. Regardless, I don't think too many people would argue that Peter hits harder than ANY of those guys - and chins don't improve with age.

[Amsterdam]

Do you agree that Virchis troubled Chagaev? Virchis is not on Peter's level as a power punching pressure fighter, he's much slower, has lesser of a punch, taller but not as physically imposing and his chin is not there.

Would Virchis beat Maskaev? Virchis has a damn good shot, because Maskaev is as slow as he is. If you answer yes, then picking Maskaev over Peter, who in turn is 3x the fighter that Virchis is, is simply not looking at it straight.

Peter has big power, a cast iron chin, a solid workrate, a developing jab, great movement for a big man, improving offensive skill and on top of it - good handspeed.

Now where does he not compare with Chagaev? Chagaev is more of a euro-boxer puncher and Peter is a pressuring slugger, styles are different but being more boxer oriented does not mean you have more advantages over intangibles over the 'proficient slugger'. Peter's game is to cut off the ring and bomb you out, Chagaev's game is to fight paced and work behind a tight guard and a jab, these go well together, but Peter's pressure would get Chagaev and his power would allow him to bomb Chagaev out or win a wide decision, either way.

And Maskaev is even lesser, he will be removed in round 1.:good

Let me be fair though, Chagaev also KO's Maskaev early, this is not just talking up Peter, it's talking of just how vulnerable Maskaev is.

[madpup]

Do you agree that Virchis troubled Chagaev? Virchis is not on Peter's level as a power punching pressure fighter, he's much slower, has lesser of a punch, taller but not as physically imposing and his chin is not there.

Would Virchis beat Maskaev? Virchis has a damn good shot, because Maskaev is as slow as he is. If you answer yes, then picking Maskaev over Peter, who in turn is 3x the fighter that Virchis is, is simply not looking at it straight.

Peter has big power, a cast iron chin, a solid workrate, a developing jab, great movement for a big man, improving offensive skill and on top of it - good handspeed.

Now where does he not compare with Chagaev? Chagaev is more of a euro-boxer puncher and Peter is a pressuring slugger, styles are different but being more boxer oriented does not mean you have more advantages over intangibles over the 'proficient slugger'. Peter's game is to cut off the ring and bomb you out, Chagaev's game is to fight paced and work behind a tight guard and a jab, these go well together, but Peter's pressure would get Chagaev and his power would allow him to bomb Chagaev out or win a wide decision, either way.

And Maskaev is even lesser, he will be removed in round 1.:good

Let me be fair though, Chagaev also KO's Maskaev early, this is not just talking up Peter, it's talking of just how vulnerable Maskaev is.

As I told you before, I did not see Chagaev vs Virchis. As for Maskaev vs Peter, I think it is a 50/50 fight, simply because Maskaev is a far smarter fighter and I expect him to come totally prepared and with a smart gameplan, whilst I have no confidence in Peter coming with with any gameplan other than come in and swing wildly.
The only thing I agree with you about Peter is his power and chin, and maybe movement, but his improving offensive skill is a mystery to me. Anyone can look good fighting a completely shot opponent.
The big thing to me is the fact that Peter's defensive 'ability' is a good as that of a punching bag. I can see Chagaev landing flush at Peter again and again, much like for the Valuev fight. IMO Chagaev will win a wide UD.

[Amsterdam]

As I told you before, I did not see Chagaev vs Virchis. As for Maskaev vs Peter, I think it is a 50/50 fight, simply because Maskaev is a far smarter fighter and I expect him to come totally prepared and with a smart gameplan, whilst I have no confidence in Peter coming with with any gameplan other than come in and swing wildly.
The only thing I agree with you about Peter is his power and chin, and maybe movement, but his improving offensive skill is a mystery to me. Anyone can look good fighting a completely shot opponent.
The big thing to me is the fact that Peter's defensive 'ability' is a good as that of a punching bag. I can see Chagaev landing flush at Peter again and again, much like for the Valuev fight. IMO Chagaev will win a wide UD.


Yes, but the opponent has nothing to do with displaying a new set of skills, do you get that? Prior to Toney 2, Peter fought a bunch of journeymen and didn't display those new offensive skills because he didn't have them, he couldn't have displayed them against a shot opponent had he not been developing them to start with.

The opponent logic goes only so far when we're talking technicalities, if you want to say that he can't pull off his new combinations, which have good handspeed against better opponents, then that is fine, but Oleg even at this point is slower and easier to hit than a shot James Toney, trust me on that one. The one thing you can't say regardless of whether you think he can use his developing skill set on a superior opponent, is that he hasn't been developing them, otherwise we'd have never saw any difference in him and we saw it clear as crystal.

[Grabonator]

Right, Wlad is better than Calzaghe and so is Chagaev :p

OMG are you stupid!!:lol:

[Grabonator]

Virchis seemed to give Chagaev plenty of trouble and he's far worse when it comes to crudeness than Peter, seeing as Sprott nearly beat him.:yep

Seriously, anybody who struggles with Virchis, a non-clinch happy Ruiz and Valuev is not to be held as a favourite over Sam Peter, because Peter would have demolished all 3 of them with ease.

And it's not lucky, Peter is a pressuring power puncher, his style is go out, cut off the ring and throw bombs at you, his skills are improving as well. Why do you think Maskaev did everything to try to avoid this fight?

Because he cannot win. Peter KO 1.

Verry good post, i have to agree!

[BewareofDawg]

Nah, funny not stupid but if you wanna see something stupid just look into a mirror ;)
What are you? 12 years old? :patsch

[Marciano Frazier]

A common talking point heard from those who believe Peter's punching power is overated is, "Peter hasn't even KO'd one top ten opponent..."

While this point is factual and unworthy of debate, I wonder where those of you who count yourselves among Peter's detractors are going with this...???

Do you really doubt Peter's power, or are you just having fun with this "temporary fact."

This poll is not exclusive to those who dislike Peter. Your options are far, far too limited. Apparently you have to either think he's about to knock a top 10 heavyweight's head off every second or that there's no chance he ever will.

I think the odds are that if Peter hangs around for a few more years, he will probably stop at least one top 10 opponent somewhere along the way, maybe more. In fact, I think the odds are pretty good he will knock out Maskaev in their upcoming showdown. However, even assuming he does stop a top 10 opponent, that is hardly a unique feat and would not prove him to have the freakish, ungodly punching power sometimes attributed to him. I find those sorts of accolades in his case to be extremely premature and unwarranted. Clearly, Peter hits hard- much harder than an average heavyweight- but his track record in terms of punching power against credible opposition has been decidedly unremarkable and placing him among the elite power punchers of all time and the like, as is sometimes done by his supporters, is unreasonable and unwarranted, in my opinion.

[curmudgeon]

And whatever people say about Peter's skills, he's not gonna go all fight without landing a single solid shot on Oleg's crystal whiskers. And one is ALL it will take.
That is what they said about his fight with Wlad. Did not happen.

Oleg is no Wlad, but he is just as smart, and he can box a bit, or two. I would not be so confident in Peter.

[Caper]

That is what they said about his fight with Wlad. Did not happen.

Oleg is no Wlad, but he is just as smart, and he can box a bit, or two. I would not be so confident in Peter.

All valid points....

You also must remember Peter is not the same Peter from the Wlad fight, I think he understands the laws of conservation much better than he did 2yrs ago. I find it strange that people have not recognized his improvements, espeacially during the second Toney fight. Oleg's chin is less impressive and so is his defense when compared to the Toney, I think Sam will impress the masses and pull out a great KO on Oleg. Just my opinion.

[Odo]

Nah, Peter hits like a ton of bricks. But he's mad overrated.

Well spoken!

Peter for sure can punch,but he is a bit overrated my some posters here on esb IMO.
Average Croation heavy weight Jovo Pudar was able to go the full route with him,and so was that fat dwarf Toney.
Vidoz kicked him out of the olympic tournament,and he couldnt hold a candle to former amateur superstar Povetkin at the amateurs.

[BoxingGuru]

I watched Peter/Toney II last night again. I cannot believe this fucking cheater how many times he purposefully tried to hit Toney behind the head. If the referee allows that, it is a crime.

Watch it and tell me this fucker isn't a fraud.

[Fighting Weight]

A common talking point heard from those who believe Peter's punching power is overated is, "Peter hasn't even KO'd one top ten opponent..."

While this point is factual and unworthy of debate, I wonder where those of you who count yourselves among Peter's detractors are going with this...???

Do you really doubt Peter's power, or are you just having fun with this "temporary fact."

This poll is not exclusive to those who dislike Peter.

He can't hit that hard, he never KO'd WALDO.

[RUSKULL]

Peter would paste Chagaev, who is overrated. I can't believe that you really think that Peter and Oleg are on the same page, you are severely underestimating him. Meanwhile Chagaev has had close fights with average fighters, such as Virchis and Ruiz, Valuev, very telling of his true ability that becomes overblown with critics.

What happens when Peter KO 1 Maskaev happens? Because it's going to be early.

You severly overrate Peter. Based on what? His win over Taurus Sykes? Or maybe Yankme Diaz?

Peter may well KO Oleg but he wouldn't be the first to KO "The Big O" anyway. So what would it say about Peter's percieved power? It would just mean that Oleg is too old & he made a mistake that Sam capitalized on.

The difference between Wladimir & Sam is huge. Wlad KO's fighters who haven't been previously KO'd, and he does it in brutal fashion.

[RUSKULL]

Chagaev has as much power and as a good chin as Peter but has faster hands, better defence and better technique. And he beat better competition. Chagaev is a whole level above the hype-job that is Peter.
If Peter would KO Maskaev early it would still only mean he landed a lucky punch because that´s the only way he can win against guys with decent skills.

Chagaev is better than Peter at this point IMO.

[AJAX]

You severly overrate Peter. Based on what? His win over Taurus Sykes? Or maybe Yankme Diaz?

Peter may well KO Oleg but he wouldn't be the first to KO "The Big O" anyway. So what would it say about Peter's percieved power? It would just mean that Oleg is too old & he made a mistake that Sam capitalized on.

The difference between Wladimir & Sam is huge. Wlad KO's fighters who haven't been previously KO'd, and he does it in brutal fashion.

He is just an echo of zak if Zak says the sky is green with pink dots
Amersterdam would agree.

The difference between Oleg and Toney is big also, Pleg may not have Toney's slick defense but he has alot more Power to keep Peter at bay.peter didn't have to fear Toney's punches so he could walk right in, it won't be as easy against Oleg.

[don owens]

I think Maskaev, if he can take Peter into deep water, will ko him.

[Decker]

You severly overrate Peter. Based on what? His win over Taurus Sykes? Or maybe Yankme Diaz?

Peter may well KO Oleg but he wouldn't be the first to KO "The Big O" anyway. So what would it say about Peter's percieved power? It would just mean that Oleg is too old & he made a mistake that Sam capitalized on.

The difference between Wladimir & Sam is huge. Wlad KO's fighters who haven't been previously KO'd, and he does it in brutal fashion.
You forget his KO over china chinned "big" HWT J Williams :rofl

Agree if Peter KOs Oleg. But if he struggles or loses to Oleg, Peter drops many rungs among top HWTs.

But after Wlad destroys top contenders who have not been previously KO'd, they are immediately downgraded to bum or also ran status by the Wlad haters. Such is Wlads power ! :yep

[Mob]

I have never been that impressed by Peter.

He has good KO pop...........a good chin.......and that's it.

Hell......he is David Tua to a fucking T.

[Decker]

Virchis seemed to give Chagaev plenty of trouble and he's far worse when it comes to crudeness than Peter, seeing as Sprott nearly beat him.:yep Virchis is not worse than Peter, and saying far worse just shows a strong bias. They are quite comparable. And how do you know that Sprott wouldn't give Peter hell. Based on Peter nearly losing to an out of shape 5'9" Toney in their 1st fight? :yep

Seriously, anybody who struggles with Virchis, a non-clinch happy Ruiz and Valuev is not to be held as a favourite over Sam Peter, because Peter would have demolished all 3 of them with ease.
Virchis-Peter is a toss up. You act like Peter will dance circles around Virchis :nut Or do you think Virchis doesn't have the power to hurt Peter :blood Nobody has demolished Valuev, why would Peter be the first to do it? You make no sense.

And it's not lucky, Peter is a pressuring power puncher, his style is go out, cut off the ring and throw bombs at you, his skills are improving as well. Why do you think Maskaev did everything to try to avoid this fight? Maybe to make more money fighting Vitali.