View Full Version : Brock vs. Chambers on Showtime
Madison
08-20-2007, 09:19 PM
October 5 according to Showtime schedule, one night before Maskaev vs. Peter
Amsterdam
08-20-2007, 09:19 PM
Chambers stoppage, easy. Good fight though.
Amsterdam
08-20-2007, 09:21 PM
it'll be a big test for eddie. we'll see how he fares.
If he can shutout Guinn, he can definitely win this one by stoppage. Brock's a plodder and has a glass chin.
Asterion
08-20-2007, 09:22 PM
Good news.
I hope Byrd-Povetkin will be announced quickly.
Dr Gonzo
08-20-2007, 09:28 PM
Boxing Banker UD - provided he has been working on his conditioning between fights
go Brock!
Chambers stoppage, easy. Good fight though.
Easy? how the hell could you say that? a glass chin? why because he got KO'd by a punch that made his face nove to the side of his head?
:patsch trust me even if he does win it will not be easy
Amsterdam
08-20-2007, 09:33 PM
Easy? how the hell could you say that? a glass chin? why because he got KO'd by a punch that made his face nove to the side of his head?
:patsch trust me even if he does win it will not be easy
Brock's struggled with lesser opposition than Chambers and has been off against several tomato cans and journeymen, he doesn't have a good chin, far from it and Chambers snappy quick combinations may be enough to do him in.
What if it is easy? You just said 'trust me'.:yep
It's just boxing discussion mate!:yep
Besides, GSP would KO both with a kick to the head, the chin doesn't even matter at that point.
dragosuhail
08-20-2007, 09:38 PM
awesome news. for the sake of originality, i am backing eddie in this one, and povetkin in the byrd matchup.
however both prospects will have good solid tests i think. winnable for both, but they will certainly work for it.
even though brock and byrd are done, and will lose even worse against wladimir in another fight, they know he is a big payday so there's incentive for them to try hard :lol:
eddie UD brock
I just hope Byrd loses and goes away....Bryd -Wlad 3 anybody?
cross_trainer
08-20-2007, 09:54 PM
Brock's struggled with lesser opposition than Chambers and has been off against several tomato cans and journeymen, he doesn't have a good chin, far from it and Chambers snappy quick combinations may be enough to do him in.
What if it is easy? You just said 'trust me'.:yep
It's just boxing discussion mate!:yep
Besides, GSP would KO both with a kick to the head, the chin doesn't even matter at that point.
Let's say Brock takes Chambers' punches. Will the conclusion be that Brock has a better chin than you thought or that Chambers is feather-fisted?
Amsterdam
08-20-2007, 10:18 PM
Let's say Brock takes Chambers' punches. Will the conclusion be that Brock has a better chin than you thought or that Chambers is feather-fisted?
Hmm, a bit of both.
October 5 according to Showtime schedule, one night before Maskaev vs. Peter
philadelphia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
emanuel_augustus
08-20-2007, 10:55 PM
By no means is this an easy fight for Chambers. He will have the hand speed advantage but Brock is a very good boxer with way more experience.
Great matchup, although maybe not a wise career move for Brock at this point. It's a little too early for him to take a gatekeeper type fight, and sort of puts him in the position McCline was in against himself just a couple years ago--A name guy who took a fight against the dangerous up-and-comer, and ended up getting knocked off and falling out of the rankings.
Brock does have only one loss and has been building back since the Wlad stoppage.
BoxingGuru
08-20-2007, 10:58 PM
No network should EVER air Byrd/Wlad 3 and if Byrd takes that fight he is a retard. He can't beat Chambers anyway. His time has come and gone.
cross_trainer
08-20-2007, 11:01 PM
Hmm, a bit of both.
Doesn't that make it difficult to disprove a "china chin" accusation once it's lodged?
Amsterdam
08-20-2007, 11:02 PM
Doesn't that make it difficult to disprove a "china chin" accusation once it's lodged?
Brock doesn't have a 'china chin', he has a 'glass chin', Audley Harrison has a 'china chin', along with his junior countryman Amir Khan.
Glass is harder to crack than china...
brooklyn1550
08-20-2007, 11:06 PM
Good fight - probably not very exciting but a match between 2 skilled guys looking to advance their careers. I like Brock by SD
emanuel_augustus
08-20-2007, 11:17 PM
Brock doesn't have a 'china chin', he has a 'glass chin', Audley Harrison has a 'china chin', along with his junior countryman Amir Khan.
Glass is harder to crack than china...
He has a "glass chin" because he was ko'd by the best heavyweight in the world??
I'm thinking the only other time he was ever down was against McCline and he got up off the deck and won the rest of that round.
Getting knocked out one time by a great fighter doesn't mean your chin is glass.
Chambers' hands are too quick for Brock, and the Guinn that Chambers' fought was better than any version of Brock i've seen...EASY UD for Chambers...
ripcity
08-21-2007, 12:59 AM
Good fight. The winner should get a tittle shot.
Willy Bonka
08-21-2007, 01:14 AM
...Getting knocked out one time by a great fighter doesn't mean your chin is glass.
I AGREE!
Well, in My opinion, this IBF Tournament should have *scheduled BOTH Brock/Chambers and Byrd/Povetkin for the same night, @ the same venue, ...then *schedule a "One-Off" Bout between the remaining 2 Boxers for a later time!
:huh
Brock will probably *WiN this one...
C Money
08-21-2007, 01:33 AM
Chambers stoppage, easy. Good fight though.
I'm Chambers #1 fan or close to it. He fought in one of the same golden gloves tournaments as I some years back, and i was impressed. Even though his frame doesnt suggest he's as good as he is. Chambers is a good guy to boot, well spoken, and humble.
That said?? Stoppage??? Highly unlikely!!! Fast Eddie will likely win the decision. Cant wait for this fight:good
WhataRock
08-21-2007, 02:16 AM
I used to think Brock was pretty good, and few agreed with me.
Nothing spectacular about him but he had a great overall package, when combined I thought he could definitely pick a title.
I keep on waiting and waiting for him to prove me right. I wasnt suprised he lost to Wlad or the way he did but Brock isnt living up the the expectations I had of him.
If he cant win this, or even if he doesnt make it close, my faith in CB is totally finished.
Shit, that's an interesting bout. Hope it happens.
Mrboogie23
08-21-2007, 03:02 AM
I'm not sure why you saw he's got a glass chin amsterdam. Sure he doesnt have a rock beard but I'd say he's got a decent chin. Nothing great, but not shit either.
Wlad hits hard and that shot he put him down with was clean and hard as hell and he still tried to get up. the only other time he's been down was from mccline and it was shot he didnt see coming at all, and he got up from it and beat the crap out of McCline for the rest of the round.
Orang-Utan Jim
08-21-2007, 04:02 AM
Getting knocked out one time by a great fighter doesn't mean your chin is glass.
A lot of people think that way. That says how many stupid bums walk around and write in boxing boards thinking they know something about the sport....
DamonD
08-21-2007, 04:56 AM
Good fight, but let's be clear about this - it's a definite step-up for Chambers.
Even though he's undefeated, he's fought weaker opposition and has less experience than Brock...if he could pull off a win here, that would be a major boost for his career.
For Brock, a win would be useful in positioning for another title shot against someone.
I don't mind who wins this one, which is fine as well.
RonnieHornschuh
08-21-2007, 05:13 AM
this tournament is quite interesting. all four are in the same league. i think povetkin takes it, but he won't ko byrd. chambers vs brock is also a good match, i don't agree brock has a china/glass chin. maybe not rock solid but it's too soon to call it china. byrd-povetkin should be the final but that won't happen because they fight first. so my guess is chambers-povetkin.
Cachibatches
08-21-2007, 05:19 AM
Dos anyone else remember when boxrec absurdly had Calvin Brock as the number 1 heavy in the world?
This is a bad move for Brock. Sultan, or on the longshot, Holyfield, is going to be looking for an opponent for next year, and neither of those guys is compeltely out of his reach. Sadly, the WBA belt may soon be vacant.
Why in god's name does he want to compete with some good competion to face Wlad again?
I don't have anyhting against Brock other than he is no world beater. But we need some new blood, especially if Chag ain't coming back. Lets hope for chambers.
Brickhaus
08-21-2007, 07:53 AM
Brock UD or late KO. IMO, he's much better than Chambers, and his brutal KO at the hands of Wlad is still coloring people's thoughts on him. If Chambers had ever fought a live body, people would see that he's a flat-footed jab machine with no power, and he should be little more than a human heavy bag for a more well-rounded fighter like Brock.
emanuel_augustus
08-21-2007, 10:17 AM
Chambers does have fast hands but he has bad habits too, such as pulling straight back, being too defensive when pressured, and not spinning out when on the ropes. Guinn was having success early until he stopped punching in the middle rounds.
I do think Chambers has the most potential of any American heavy prospect right now, but no way he beats a top guy, and it's very possible Brock would beat him.
I like Brock, yes his chin is weak, but he is a good fighter and a great person for the sport. I think he beats Chambers. Will be a decent fight for a ShoBox telecast.
Brickhaus
08-21-2007, 10:53 AM
Calvin Flop sucks and was way over rated. It was like when grant beat a bunch of bums, then got KTFO by Lewis. Brock built a record against bums, then got KTFO by Holdimir Bitchko. Then because Calvin flop was sooooo over-hyped, everyone talks about how Bitchko beat the best HW in the world.:patsch:patsch
The same could be said x3 for Chambers, except that he hasn't faced a good fighter to get knocked out by yet. Brock isn't that great, but Chambers is worse. :!:
Grabonator
08-21-2007, 11:22 AM
Brock says in an interview that nothing is finalized and signed yet. So this is not official yet.
Grabonator
08-21-2007, 11:24 AM
Brock doesn't have a 'china chin', he has a 'glass chin', Audley Harrison has a 'china chin', along with his junior countryman Amir Khan.
Glass is harder to crack than china...
No, thats ridicoulos. That would mean Byrd has a glass chin as well and all the other guys Wlad has knocked out.
Grabonator
08-21-2007, 11:27 AM
Chambers does have fast hands but he has bad habits too, such as pulling straight back, being too defensive when pressured, and not spinning out when on the ropes. Guinn was having success early until he stopped punching in the middle rounds.
I do think Chambers has the most potential of any American heavy prospect right now, but no way he beats a top guy, and it's very possible Brock would beat him.
Hes pulling straight back to avoid punches, whats bad about that??
EpsilonAxis
08-21-2007, 11:34 AM
I like Brock to win this one. He's in no hurry to rematch Wlad...a win would give him a title shot against someone else, hopefully.
Brickhaus
08-21-2007, 11:41 AM
I like Brock to win this one. He's in no hurry to rematch Wlad...a win would give him a title shot against someone else, hopefully.
Brock gets his ass handed to him by either Byrd or Povetkin, so he's not getting another title shot yet anyway.
Mrboogie23
08-21-2007, 12:02 PM
Calvin Flop sucks and was way over rated. It was like when grant beat a bunch of bums, then got KTFO by Lewis. Brock built a record against bums, then got KTFO by Holdimir Bitchko. Then because Calvin flop was sooooo over-hyped, everyone talks about how Bitchko beat the best HW in the world.:patsch:patsch
thats an absolutely retarded post. Brock is a solid fighter. he doesnt excel at anything but he is good at everything in boxing. Good power, good speed, good movement, good chin, etc.
he was giving the arguably best HW in the world a hard time for a few rounds. He did well in the fight until eating that monster of a right hand. Go watch some more fights and learn something before you make yourself look like an idiot again.
emanuel_augustus
08-21-2007, 12:12 PM
Hes pulling straight back to avoid punches, whats bad about that??
Because it left a huge opening. In the Guinn fight, if Guinn would have followed him and thrown a right, that chin was there to be hit. But, Guinn being Guinn, he held back.
emanuel_augustus
08-21-2007, 12:15 PM
Brock gets his ass handed to him by either Byrd or Povetkin, so he's not getting another title shot yet anyway.
Not sure how Brock would "get his ass handed to him." That's a pretty hyperbolic statement.
Byrd and (as much as I like him) Povetkin are ??s at this point. Hard to tell what Byrd has left, he looked just OK against punching bag Maranaccio, and layoffs tend to hurt Byrd.
Povetkin would most likely be too much for Brock, but you can't say that with certainty. Brock does have the greater pro experience and would be a big step up from Larry Donald.
jopez707
08-21-2007, 01:07 PM
This is a very interesting fight as i see Chambers as being the best American Heavyweight Prospect. Brock ( who probably was the best American prospect until he met Wlad) is taking a very dangerous fight, props to both fighters. I think a loss would definitely hurt Brock more than Chambers (who is still up and coming). Brock's resume is much better than Chambers, we shall see if the experience plays in this fight. This is very tough to call, I am hoping for a Brock win but think Chambers might eek it out (possibly suffering a knockdown at some point).
Mrboogie23
08-21-2007, 01:13 PM
He was not giving anyone a hard time in that fight. He barely landed anything and it was only a matter of time before Bitchko sent him reeling. He should be fighting at cruiser with Williams.
Yes, brock is a solid fighter at cruiser but is way over matched against any large HW, even the bad ones.
I recall Brock winning a few of the early rounds. He was doing well. Stop being blind.
Amsterdam
08-21-2007, 01:16 PM
I recall Brock winning a few of the early rounds. He was doing well. Stop being blind.
That chin surely gave out though when he needed it.:lol:
Mrboogie23
08-21-2007, 01:18 PM
That chin surely gave out though when he needed it.:lol:
:lol:
most people not named Sam Peter or David Tua would have been crushed from that right hand.
Mrboogie23
08-21-2007, 01:22 PM
Maybe Brock pulled a round out if the judges wanted to make it interesting but Wlad was in control and never in danger. Do you think Manny would let Wlad fight someone who posed a threat? As much as Briggs sucks, Manny wants nothing to do with him because he has a style similar to Corrie Sanders and does not want Bitcko to get KTFO. Same with a rematch against Sanders himself.
have you even watched the fight? he definitely won some rounds.
Mrboogie23
08-21-2007, 01:29 PM
Did Brock WIN those rounds, or was it more Wlad was just warming up? I did watch the fight and I had it even through 4 but it was more because Wlad was lining him up for a one-two rather than Brock being "too good for Wlad"
It's not like people were thinking Brock was gonna UD him or anything and since Brock pulls back on his punches, I think even bitchko's chin could handle what Brock had that night.
brock won the rounds. you're just being dumb. People can be so retarded sometimes just to try to make a point.
buddynabuick
08-21-2007, 02:13 PM
Brock doesn't have a 'china chin', he has a 'glass chin', Audley Harrison has a 'china chin', along with his junior countryman Amir Khan.
Glass is harder to crack than china...
:lol:
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