Boxers Ahmed and Mohamed Elomar attack 'racist' rulings

[daz52]

BOXING brothers Ahmed and Mohamed Elomar have branded the sport's officialdom "racist bastards" after they were sensationally banned for six months yesterday.

The pair cannot fight again until September for throwing chairs during an appalling fight-night riot in Gosford last year - both are now threatening to quit boxing altogether.

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The Boxing Authority of NSW viewed the violent footage at a "show-cause" hearing last Tuesday, and the six-month bans were received in writing yesterday.
Furious about having to concede his newly won WBO belt, Ahmed launched a stunning attack on boxing officials while speaking to the Daily Telegraph yesterday: "The sport is full of racist bastards - that's why they've banned me and Mohamed. They've always had it in for us. They hate us.
"The crowd throws chairs at us and we get banned. I can't believe it.
"We did throw the chairs back, but it was self-defence.
"What were we meant to do - just stand there and get hit from all sides?"
Ahmed said his detention in Lebanon as a terrorism suspect in 2007 had not been forgotten by the authority.
"It was a terrible experience that I've tried to forget, but some people want to keep putting it out there," the 26-year-old said.
"Before that fight (against Kickett) I wore a biker's mask and they said I was inciting terrorism. How's that inciting terrorism when other boxers and wrestlers do it?
"They are racist - it's because of my name and what happened in Lebanon."
Ahmed and Mohamed are now vowing to never fight on Australian soil again, and are also considering an appeal through the courts.


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[sambo1987]

"We did throw the chairs back, but it was self-defence.
"What were we meant to do - just stand there and get hit from all sides?"

How about not having 20 of your mates trample into in the ring while a fighter lies concussed and in need of medical attention..

6 months is soft IMO.

[ozziebattler]

They dont wanna fight on oz soil again..Sweet as,have fun fighting for donkeys overseas.

[shiner]

great the boxing authority had the balls to do ban them.
they are good fighters but the only way to punish their hangers on is unfortunately to ban them!
authorities now need to impose struct rules on numbers in corner and after bouts.

[LeonMcS]

Can I just say;


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA


That is all.

[Sai]

karma is a powerful force.

[flamengo]

...... let them go back to the toilet of a country they represent and earn a new passport... work as taxi drivers, then wait for another chance to fight on our shores.

I'm not rascist.. ummm... errrr...




Post script.... screw them and the knuckleheads who sook about unfair proceedings.

[greenghost]

...... let them go back to the toilet of a country they represent and earn a new passport... work as taxi drivers, then wait for another chance to fight on our shores.

I'm not rascist.. ummm... errrr...




Post script.... screw them and the knuckleheads who sook about unfair proceedings.

:D:D:lol:

[boxoncottonon]

Boo Hoo....
Cant wait to see Elomar back in the ring in six months with his new sponsor across his back
:happy...KLEENEX...:happy

[pecks]

Boo hoo. Everyones racist these days so it seems.

[teke]

Boo hoo. Everyones racist these days so it seems.fuckup fishhead lover

[JOSEY WALES]

How about not having 20 of your mates trample into in the ring while a fighter lies concussed and in need of medical attention..

6 months is soft IMO.


I blame the Australian Boxing Authorities .....

:-( if the kant had been made to sit a Brain Scan pre fight he wouldn't have been allowed to fight in the first place as its obvious he is dull as fuck if he considers a six month banning harsh , still i enjoyed seeing that other dozy kant cope a chair to the barnet . :lol:

[baha74]

Hi, an Australian of Lebanese background here and I too concur with everyone who has posted here to date. Elomar is lucky he only got 6 months. Claiming self defecnce shows what an imbecile he is - throwing the chair back into the crowd, inflamed the situation and just serves to re-arm the morons who threw them first. He and his mob showed a lack of class and compassion by their actions against a fallen fighter.

Now, Flamengo, your post is about as intelligent as a Rob Schneider movie (movies which I love). Seriously man, labelling a whole country as a 'toilet' on the actions of one individual is so neanderthal and ignorant and racist, it 'aint funny. I'm not going to even bother to mention the million positive things that the Lebanese have contributed to the world - you may not be intelligent enough to understand anyway ..... or the infinite number of negative things that pure Australians have done. There's good and bad everywhere.

So, in essence, I agree with you in that the the Elomars are a bunch of knuckle-dragging fuckwits - just don't be the one who makes them look good.

[sambo1987]

still i enjoyed seeing that other dozy kant cope a chair to the barnet . :lol:

On reflection, watching the replay on youtube and actually seeing that for the first time was a fucking crack up :lol:

[Hmmm]

Hi, an Australian of Lebanese background here and I too concur with everyone who has posted here to date. Elomar is lucky he only got 6 months. Claiming self defecnce shows what an imbecile he is - throwing the chair back into the crowd, inflamed the situation and just serves to re-arm the morons who threw them first. He and his mob showed a lack of class and compassion by their actions against a fallen fighter.



Respect mate. Im glad that you have managed to see that the opinions that posters have written here go beyond anything racist (bar a few exceptions of course...). Most of us truly believe team elomar were a bunch of goofs that deserved what they got, leb or not.

:good

[Rodin]

This response is about as illogical as it gets.
Being upset for copping a suspension then publically calling the sports officialdom "Racist bastards" is pretty much the same as the throwing of the chairs back indiscriminately. It's not self defense, it's lack of anger management & responsibility.

He should ask himself if he had that moment over, what would he do, if he would do it differently, as in get his mates out of the ring & show some compassion for his opponent, then he would better understand that he deserved the suspension, & take it on the chin.

The old saying, "Act in haste, repent at leasure" pretty much sums it up.

[theman1971]

Racist authorities. IF he was named John Smith and was catholic instead of Muslim. Your all a bunch of racist rednecks that agree with anything that is written in papers and that you hear on the news!

So if somone throws a chair at you you just smile and look the other way? Thats like somone throwing a punch at you and walking away without throwing one back! THats what cowards do!!!

Wake up!!!

[PIPO23]

Elomar shouldn't be pinged at all. He didn't throw the chairs? it's those rednecks ringside.

[AussieMauler]

Racist authorities. IF he was named John Smith and was catholic instead of Muslim. Your all a bunch of racist rednecks that agree with anything that is written in papers and that you hear on the news!

So if somone throws a chair at you you just smile and look the other way? Thats like somone throwing a punch at you and walking away without throwing one back! THats what cowards do!!!

Wake up!!!


nice one champ.....comfirming to the masses your a complete moron.

coward for not throwing a chair......its laughable.

using your brain and having the sense to know you are in a professional sporting arena and that your actions may have some ramifications is probably cowardly too.

[Hmmm]

IF he was named John Smith and was catholic instead of Muslim.

Thats right, if he was a catholic ranga named john smith with buck teeth and freckles and threw chairs at his own boxing match he would get banned and told to stfu just like you beloved elomar....

So what that tells me is that:
1. You have no idea at all.
2. You have no idea at all.
3. take elomars left testicle out of your mouth before it wrinkles up like a prune from all your drool.

[Francis75]

I hate it when minority groups throw out the racist card when something doesn't go their way. The fighter would have been suspended, and rightfully so, irrespective of his race. Whether he was black, white, yellow, or purple it doesn't matter.

[Bognashavin]

It should have been longer. Such unsportsmanlike conduct, first by committing the offence, and then whinging like a little bitch and crying racism. It's not racism at play here it's cuntism.
Such a pity, as it could have been a really great victory for Elomar and lead to better things, but instead everyone just thinks he's a scabby tool.
For the twits who ask what you are supposed to when someone throws a chair at you, the correct answer is yes walk away, it takes more strength and courage to do so than to act like a cunt, which is exactly what that mob of festering axe wounds did. They brought the entire sports into disrepute, by trying to be tough guys, and I hope they suffer miserably because of it.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

I hate it when minority groups throw out the racist card when something doesn't go their way....

Spot on Francis.

It's got nothing to do where these dills came from. The penalty is for what they did, and they're not even intelligent enough to realise it!

Go fight somewhere else...if you think you'll be missed here you really are dillusional!!

[Collateral]

So sad, too bad.

[sallywinder]

how dare any of you insult the outstanding humaninty of the lebanese race. what fine examples of men they are. you are all so lucky that they came here to spread their obvious higher form of civilisation that they display in their homeland....lebanon.

never has a harder working, law abiding, respectful, intelligent, trustworthy group of gentlemen been so wrongly accused as those fine statesmen of lebanese culture that we saw in the ring that night.

may allah make all of your cousins ugly, so you may not marry them!

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[baha74]

Sallywinder has just decided to throw a few more chairs into the audience so I will take Bognashavin's advice and let this one go - it really is not worth responding to! I do feel sorry for you though.

[sallywinder]

unemployment of australias lebanese continues to hover at the 28% mark.....fillipinos 5.6%....

shame on you australian employers for being racist towards the fine lebanese race!! its all your fault!


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[one in a million]

Oh yeah and I see Elomar is going to do his time, gotta love when respect comes first...[/quote]

And here was I thinking he was going to do his time like a man, silly me.

Once again it comes down to respect, if the Elomar crew stayed outside the ring and celebrated in style, this crap would never have happened.

Well Done to CW and NSW Boxing Authority for standing by their word.

[smellmyfinger]

Ill chip in for the plane tickets needed to get them to fight out of another country.

[sallywinder]

Ill chip in for the plane tickets needed to get them to fight out of another country.


one way...?!

[theman1971]

Sally winder your a disgrace, your nothing but racist and you belong in the dark ages. Every one of your posts is racists whether it be against asians , europeans and even aboriginals! Your not even from this country perhaps your the one that should leave not the people you try to throw out every day!

Move to Beaudesert and you too can vote for your hero Pauline Hanson!!!

Your uneducated and live behind a rock as do most on here that are racially intolerant!!!

These people are australian citizens, they have the right to fight here and do as they chose. Its a free country isnt it!! Yea right ,it is for some but not for others!!

Sally perhaps you should get your one way ticket back to england or wherever you are from!

[pecks]

This thread is going places. :hey

[bushboy]

one way...?!

Definately

[Phil Austin]

Thats right, if he was a catholic ranga named john smith with buck teeth and freckles and threw chairs at his own boxing match he would get banned and told to stfu just like you beloved elomar....

So what that tells me is that:
1. You have no idea at all.
2. You have no idea at all.
3. take elomars left testicle out of your mouth before it wrinkles up like a prune from all your drool.

If this was the case, he should have been buried in chairs! :yep:yep :lol:

[T.C.W]

6 months fair enough it was bad, But the promoter must shoulder some of the blame as well. Elomar will change his tune pretty soon when he wakes up and see's no promoter or boxing manager outside of Australia cares about him.

[Rodin]

[Only registered and activated users can see links] thread is going places. :hey


:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Bognashavin]

Just to keep the thread going. . .friends of mates who were there said that the chairs thrown from the audience was from the idiots in the ring spitting at them. I admit it's 3rd hand info but does anyone know if this was found to have occured? That doesn't sound like self defence to me, and given the way they have carried on it would not surprise me.

This whole incident really angered me, I spend so much time defending boxing and it would seem this harnessed nearly as much undeserved attention as a Mundine fight . . . .and now it ends in cries of racism . . . . you gotta wonder sometimes

[the beaver]

6 month ban seems fairly light, although i did notice it wasn't backdated to the fight therefore it's more like 9 months.

Personally i think 12 months was about right.

[smellmyfinger]

one way...?!


Yep, thats the condition

[baha74]

Sally and Smelly - what a one-two combination!

In this boxing forum it's Elomar's behaviour in question, not his ethnicity -knuckledraggers.

[sallywinder]

Sally winder your a disgrace, your nothing but racist and you belong in the dark ages. Every one of your posts is racists whether it be against asians , europeans and even aboriginals! Your not even from this country perhaps your the one that should leave not the people you try to throw out every day!

Move to Beaudesert and you too can vote for your hero Pauline Hanson!!!

Your uneducated and live behind a rock as do most on here that are racially intolerant!!!

These people are australian citizens, they have the right to fight here and do as they chose. Its a free country isnt it!! Yea right ,it is for some but not for others!!

Sally perhaps you should get your one way ticket back to england or wherever you are from!

oh goody.....where do i start..?

uneducated? well, even i dont need a spell check to see the mistakes in your post..

racist eh? and i thought i was kind to those mid easten gentlemen....

not from this country...mmm, my aboriginal great grandmother may disagree....

pauline hanson? my asian wife loves her!!! go figure!

england eh? ive got a bigger choice than that. as have most aussies. scotland, wales, ireland, USA, israel......and the antipodes..(google it dickhead).

behind a rock? well as you have your nick as "the man" i guess i can say you are living behind a yellow cunt?


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[smellmyfinger]

Sally and Smelly - what a one-two combination!

In this boxing forum it's Elomar's behaviour in question, not his ethnicity -knuckledraggers.


Show me where i said anything about "ethnicity":deal

[BoppaZoo]

oh goody.....where do i start..?

uneducated? well, even i dont need a spell check to see the mistakes in your post..

racist eh? and i thought i was kind to those mid easten gentlemen....

not from this country...mmm, my aboriginal great grandmother may disagree....

pauline hanson? my asian wife loves her!!! go figure!

england eh? ive got a bigger choice than that. as have most aussies. scotland, wales, ireland, USA, israel......and the antipodes..(google it dickhead).

behind a rock? well as you have your nick as "the man" i guess i can say you are living behind a yellow cunt?


.Pauline Hanson my asian wife loves her.

:rofl:rofl

Now thats funny.

Elomar and his cronnies should have got longer.

They can thank themselves lucky they dont play a bigger sport in Australia.
The media would have been asking for there blood.

A year would have been good but 6 months is a slap on the wrist for what happened.

[TheDuke]

oh goody.....where do i start..?

uneducated? well, even i dont need a spell check to see the mistakes in your post..

racist eh? and i thought i was kind to those mid easten gentlemen....

not from this country...mmm, my aboriginal great grandmother may disagree....

pauline hanson? my asian wife loves her!!! go figure!

england eh? ive got a bigger choice than that. as have most aussies. scotland, wales, ireland, USA, israel......and the antipodes..(google it dickhead).

behind a rock? well as you have your nick as "the man" i guess i can say you are living behind a yellow cunt?


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I don't get you here???

BTW I knew you were married to an Asian!!! I knew it. Probably a filipino furburger :D

[Hmmm]

Your uneducated...

:patsch

[dwilson]

Just how bad is the Lebanese problem you guys have in Australia. I saw the incident and could not imagine it ever happening here in Britain.

[smellmyfinger]

Just how bad is the Lebanese problem you guys have in Australia. I saw the incident and could not imagine it ever happening here in Britain.

Now there's a thread topic.

Its hard to answer. Basically, every race has their good guys and bad guys, and the Lebanese are no different. I feel sorry for the good one's, because they get tainted due to the idiots.

This is a generlisation, but i think if u were to sum up the trouble from the Lebanese community here, u would say that they have a very different mentality to other Australians. They seem to have a gang mentality, and a need to prove how tough they are, sometimes at the expense of innocent people. This is what people hate. U rarely hear of an Aussie getting into trouble and calling 20 mates to bash someone, but u hear that all the time with Lebanese guy's.

They dont hesitate to 2, 3 or even 10 out an individual and give him a hiding. I cant fathom ever doing something like that.

Some of the actual crime gangs have bought about their undoing by being so brazen and stupid. Instead of just taking care of their business, it becomes a power thing and its not just associates and competitors who need to watch out, innocent people better stay clear too.

I know many blonde woman who down right fear seeing a group of Lebanese men. And i mean fear. Things that seem cowardly and out of the question are no problem for them.

This is just describling the difference between the bad Lebanese and the bad Caucasions here in OZ, its not directed at every Leb.

[flamengo]

Regarding the 'one way' ticket back to 'toilettown'..... It will have to be STANDING ROOM ONLY, as no seats are available!!!! All seats have been thrown.....

[smellmyfinger]

Regarding the 'one way' ticket back to 'toilettown'..... It will have to be STANDING ROOM ONLY, as no seats are available!!!! All seats have been thrown.....

Thats not bad:yep

[flamengo]

Thats not bad:yep

.... seems pretty damn obvious to me SMF... :patsch

lol.

[julian]

I was at the fight. I know what I saw and I know exactly what occured.
Without going into detail, mainly because it's been done to death, I believe the 6 month ban will hopefully give the Elomar brothers time to asess where the majority of the problem laid.
Have a look at the half wit fan club you,ve managed to attract then ask yourself why not too many people are surprised that this happened.
You say it's racial! I say those grubs do your race a disservice not the other way round.
Top boxing blokes like Billy Hussein, Nader and many others don't need your race card dribble.
Open your bloody eyes boys.
If you can't see what the real problem is here then I think the sport will be better off without you.
Is that raceist or is that reality?

[StiffJab]

Does this mean kickett will be fighting for the vacent titles then?

I would love to see a rematch!

[ozziebattler]

Hi, an Australian of Lebanese background here and I too concur with everyone who has posted here to date. Elomar is lucky he only got 6 months. Claiming self defecnce shows what an imbecile he is - throwing the chair back into the crowd, inflamed the situation and just serves to re-arm the morons who threw them first. He and his mob showed a lack of class and compassion by their actions against a fallen fighter.

Now, Flamengo, your post is about as intelligent as a Rob Schneider movie (movies which I love). Seriously man, labelling a whole country as a 'toilet' on the actions of one individual is so neanderthal and ignorant and racist, it 'aint funny. I'm not going to even bother to mention the million positive things that the Lebanese have contributed to the world - you may not be intelligent enough to understand anyway ..... or the infinite number of negative things that pure Australians have done. There's good and bad everywhere.

So, in essence, I agree with you in that the the Elomars are a bunch of knuckle-dragging fuckwits - just don't be the one who makes them look good.


Agree with your post 100%....Unfortunetly the Elomars are decent athletes who are in the spotlight.

[flamengo]

Hi, an Australian of Lebanese background here and I too concur with everyone who has posted here to date. Elomar is lucky he only got 6 months. Claiming self defecnce shows what an imbecile he is - throwing the chair back into the crowd, inflamed the situation and just serves to re-arm the morons who threw them first. He and his mob showed a lack of class and compassion by their actions against a fallen fighter.

Now, Flamengo, your post is about as intelligent as a Rob Schneider movie (movies which I love). Seriously man, labelling a whole country as a 'toilet' on the actions of one individual is so neanderthal and ignorant and racist, it 'aint funny. I'm not going to even bother to mention the million positive things that the Lebanese have contributed to the world - you may not be intelligent enough to understand anyway ..... or the infinite number of negative things that pure Australians have done. There's good and bad everywhere.

So, in essence, I agree with you in that the the Elomars are a bunch of knuckle-dragging fuckwits - just don't be the one who makes them look good.


Baha74.... Lets get one thing clear.... the behaviour of the 'toolhead' brothers, is nothing less than pathetic. In the evening of the said events, they represented a WHOLE NATION in my view... unfair to state that, I know... yet, being proud Lebo's???... they totally disgraced themselves, and their country..... ??? Hang on.. they are Australian Citizens aparently??? A Donkey wearing a Horses saddle, is still a Donkey. These two blokes...along with all the 'fully sick mates' give your country a shitty face.. my words may do the same.... Im not in Lebanons backyard, defacating on it.

My comments, I wont appologise for. The disrespect you feel.. well, accept my gratitude for you standing up, and posting an intelligent, well representing thread.. You, along with countless others, must feel disgraced by thier manner of approach. So be it.

The events of the night, leave little room for arguement... these men represent a 'TOILET'.. What else could one say???

For the Lebanese folk who embrace 'OUR' nation, and respect it as such, keep the intelligable posts coming.... although, I may not be intelligent enough to understand them..

[bushboy]

Now there's a thread topic.

Its hard to answer. Basically, every race has their good guys and bad guys, and the Lebanese are no different. I feel sorry for the good one's, because they get tainted due to the idiots.

This is a generlisation, but i think if u were to sum up the trouble from the Lebanese community here, u would say that they have a very different mentality to other Australians. They seem to have a gang mentality, and a need to prove how tough they are, sometimes at the expense of innocent people. This is what people hate. U rarely hear of an Aussie getting into trouble and calling 20 mates to bash someone, but u hear that all the time with Lebanese guy's.

They dont hesitate to 2, 3 or even 10 out an individual and give him a hiding. I cant fathom ever doing something like that.

Some of the actual crime gangs have bought about their undoing by being so brazen and stupid. Instead of just taking care of their business, it becomes a power thing and its not just associates and competitors who need to watch out, innocent people better stay clear too.

I know many blonde woman who down right fear seeing a group of Lebanese men. And i mean fear. Things that seem cowardly and out of the question are no problem for them.

This is just describling the difference between the bad Lebanese and the bad Caucasions here in OZ, its not directed at every Leb.

I think you have made a very good point in saying that the bad eggs of lebanese society seem to have a desire to point out how tough they are, usually with dire consequences..

Reminds me of Leb gang member Michael Kanaan fatally shooting two men in a completely unrelated pub brawl that he happened to drive past on his way home.

[Hmmm]

Well the Cronulla riots didnt exactly happen because the local Lebanese residents were model citizens...

What makes it worse is that when a community IS fed up with these activities and make some noise they are immediately labeled as racist. Most of the cronulla rioters were NOT racists... (That doesnt rule out the fact that when white supremacy groups (small as they may be) catch wind of such activities of course they will join in...)

The racist card is being thrown around waaaaay too loosely these days. Want to know real racism, have a chat to those that were persecuted for their race, they'll tell you what racist means (and will have a good ol' laugh at your interpretation of racism...).

Scenes like at the boxing event (usually on a smaller scale) occur several times every day around the country, and I would bet my mums left nipple that 80% are from an ethnic group. And I bet my mums right nipple that a great deal of that 80% are of Lebanese origin. This isnt purely coincidence.

Its a shame that my local chicken shop owner (when I was in Oz) has to carry the same Lebanese banner as them because he's the nicest guy who wouldnt hurt a fly. And I know that though he shares the same blood as them he cannot respect them or support their actions. I bet it must be difficult for him to sink as lows having to label his own fellow countrymen idiots, fools, pests etc...

What I fail to fathom is that these fools are too thick to assess their own actions and realise how pathetic they are. When I've consumed a few too many and act like a fool and maybe even act macho or whatever I would look back and realise how dumb I was, even though I was drunk. But these guys are often SOBER and behave like fools and look back at their actions and think all is well... beats me... totally beats me...

Reminds me of those middle eastern tools that gang raped the chick at the railway station and their *fellow countrymen* stupidly blamed the girl for looking too sexy. These *fellow countrymen* I speak of included many of the elders who are REPRESENTATIVES of the Lebanese community.

[smellmyfinger]

I think you have made a very good point in saying that the bad eggs of lebanese society seem to have a desire to point out how tough they are, usually with dire consequences..

Reminds me of Leb gang member Michael Kanaan fatally shooting two men in a completely unrelated pub brawl that he happened to drive past on his way home.


U know those two guys? We may know each other

[baha74]

Flamengo: YES, the behaviour of the 'toolhead' brothers, is nothing less than pathetic and yes, they did represent their country on that night - in a way that shamed it and it's citizens. But let's be straight about this. The team is bigger than than the individual. The actions of 5 people or 500 people cannot possibly outweigh the actions of the 99.9% who are 'decent' doing the right thing. We agree to a point but labelling the country they represent as a 'toilet'.....that's pathetic and shameful too. Is Australia a cesspool because we have a guy that marries his daughter and has children with her, or another that decided to throw his kids off the West Gate Bridge to make his wife upset or because Pauline Hanson is ..well...Pauline Hanson?

Let me also say that these 'fully sick Lebo's are not an accurate or true refelection of the Lebanese. I have never been to Sydney's western suburbs but from what I see and read and hear, those Lebo's are another sort of breed, their gang mentality and views and behaviour as disgraceful as the actions of many convicted criminals. But we are not all like that, just an unlucky select few. (That show Pizza is funny to me too but doesn't help the stereotype either).

Your last post shows that you have the ability to make a valuable contribution and I thank you for your words too. Your joke about the seats, well to quote Rodney Rude - "that 's fuckin' funny!" My advice is just take it easy when trying to generalise - it's like your throwing one stone into the ocean, does the ocean then become a quarry?

I was born and bred in Oz but my folks are from Lebanon. I am 34 and have been to Lebanon 8 times. It truly is a great place. It's over 4000 years old, has some of the most beautiful natural wonders you'll never hear aboout or see because the news will only show things like the struggle against their neighbours. It has many ancient ruins from the Roman days and links to the Bible. On a more modern foot, it borders the Mediterranean sea and has a good tourism industry in summer and also in winter due to the ski fields. The majority of the people of many religions can generally get along and the crime rate is relatively low - very few incestuous people or homicidal fathers....Having said that, there's good and bad everywhere - i could easily point out the infinite number of beautiful things here in Australia too. Some of sallywinders comments make Australia look just as bad. Just remember, those TOOLS you see on tv and on the news and on the forums - they are just that and not like me or the country that they originate from.

[sallywinder]

the struggle against their neighbours

well, we know 'their neighbours' (of whom you are talking, jews) make model citizens in australia, low single digit unemployed (ever heard of an unemployed jew?), meanwhile lebanese unemployment is hovering at the 28% mark.

i know which culture fits in better in our society.....


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[anthony jr]

???????

[bushboy]

U know those two guys? We may know each other

Nah mate, I was still fairly young when it happened.
Read a little paperback book a year ago about lebanese gangs in sydney, particularly Danny Karam's gang.

[AussieMauler]

I used to live between two lebanese families. One christian and one muslim.

The muslims were nicer people and i am happy to say that their culture was one of tolerance and accepting others. The christians were a very nice family also.

It doesnt change the fact that scum is scum.

The Elomars happen to be well known scum and if you have had dealings with their family you also have the same opinion.

the fact they are lebanese is of no merit to me whatsover

[TheDuke]

well, we know 'their neighbours' (of whom you are talking, jews) make model citizens in australia, low single digit unemployed (ever heard of an unemployed jew?), meanwhile lebanese unemployment is hovering at the 28% mark.

i know which culture fits in better in our society.....


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You cocksucker

[bushboy]

You cocksucker

Thats not doing much for your argument Duke

[TheDuke]

True. Not exactly eloquent, but GEOFF is a provocative fucker!!!

[sallywinder]

geoff...........oh shit. you got me. you finally worked out who i am. you are a fuckin genius. next time you see me, walk over and punch me in the mouth.

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[TheDuke]

I love you and i wouldn't do that

[the beaver]

I'm a bit sick of when people say "99.9%" are good people. I believe this figure is highly overstated and not completely actuate.

If i drove to Auburn/Bankstown etc and picked out 100 people, trust me 99 of them are not model citizens.

Likewise, if i go to Mt Druitt or Campbelltown i would assume 99 out of 100 would not be model citizens.

Even going to places like Northern beaches or Eastern suburbs u can't sustain a figure of 99............... I know it's a figure of speech, but i'm sick of it.

It's unfortnuate, but out of all the different races currently residing in Australia, i would say Lebenese have a higher % of bad citizens compared to other cultures. Sad but true.

[baha74]

When you take a population figure which totals in the millions then, yes, 99.9% are decent citizens. 99% of people in the suburbs you mention might be bad but I'm responding to the naming of Lebanon as a 'toilet' based on the actions of a few individuals. Even if all the people were bad in those suburbs they still wouldn't make a percent of Lebanon's population!

[flamengo]

Baha74.... Once again, you've expressed youself in a very genuine, sincere, educated and developed manner. You clearly see the limitations of morons... group morons.. and their actions, especially those who represent Lebanon. The 'travel brochure' you posted of Lebanon, paints a fantastic picture... the very first positive description I've ever heard. Honestly.

you also acknowledge that 99% of Lebo's living certain suburbs throughout Australia might be BAD... Perhaps then, its the 99% of those who represent Lebanon, whilst living in Australia, that gives me the right to dictate my our attitude towards Lebanon.... based on their behaviour.

Lebanon seems to have sent a good deal of 'morons' to Australia... leaving them to represent Lebanon as a whole???????? See where I'm coming from.

I give you my repsects as the man you are, and applaude the efforts of the text you have put forth. All words being very well thought out, liberal and worth respecting.

As stated, you may be a part of the 1% in Australia, that have to battle to keep a harsh outlook of Lebo's, and this is a mighty battle to take on. The difficult situation still stands for Australia folk, to access the actions of the Leb's and their moronic actions. It becomes difficult to see Lebanon as anything less than a TOILET, based on the actions of the 99% who live in our suburbs.

Your own efforts are appreciated and taken onbaord, and my respect for yourself is genuine.

All the best.

[Rodin]

If you don't get this, you're a racist :lol::lol::lol:

Two families moved from Afghanistan to Australia .

When they arrived the two fathers made a bet.

In a year's time whichever family had become more Australian would win.
One year later they met again.
The first man said, "My son is playing Australian football.
I had a meat pie with tomato sauce for breakfast, and I'm on my way to pick up a case of Victorian Bitter beer.
How about you?"
The second man replied, "Fuck off, towel head."

[flamengo]

Rodin..... you just made Australia look like a TOILET....

[TheDuke]

You seem to have a TOILET obsession dude

[flamengo]

You seem to have a TOILET obsession dude


Yeah... toilets shit me. Rodins a great bloke, and I know he got the joke.

:good

[Rise Above]

If you don't get this, you're a racist :lol::lol::lol:

Two families moved from Afghanistan to Australia .

When they arrived the two fathers made a bet.

In a year's time whichever family had become more Australian would win.
One year later they met again.
The first man said, "My son is playing Australian football.
I had a meat pie with tomato sauce for breakfast, and I'm on my way to pick up a case of Victorian Bitter beer.
How about you?"
The second man replied, "Fuck off, towel head."

I'm sorry but this was funny. :lol:

[smellmyfinger]

I laughed

[baha74]

Hi Flamengo, I thank you again for your very kind words and appreciate your efforts to maintain this mass debate:yep. I respect your opinions and have welcomed the chance to be able to read a point of view that comes from another angle. I'm grateful that you have taken on board my positive descriptions of Lebanon as a whole and your honesty in reply.

I'm ashamed that the Lebos in NSW have given the rest of us such a bad name. Living in Melbourne it is obvious I have lived a sheltered life. Having said that, the Lebos I experience down here make it hard for me to believe that there are others not so far away who can act so radically different. Maybe the same for you. You too only know what you see before you.

I'm glad I've had the chance to try and paint a different picture and by your words you acknowledge that there's 1 Lebo out there who is not quite the same as the others. Hopefully you then allow for the possibility that there may be others like me. I say this humbly and now I want to thank you again for your words and ability to give and take.

See you on the forum where hopefully we can join in more boxing related topics!

All the best to you (bro', Oh my God, it's been a fully sic' time ULE):patsch

[Rodin]

I have to say this. I've got a mate, Jeff.
He's as mad as he is passionate.
He's one of the nicest blokes I've ever met, & he's Lebanese.
He owns several Servo's
He has two sons .
One son is an accountant, the other is a motor mechanic, who has an Australian flag draped from the ceiling of his workshop.

Solid gold people.

[Hmmm]

There u go.

Decent lebs so far:
an ESB poster
A servo owner, his wife an 2 sons
My Chicken shop guy

Thats 6 so far.

:)

Im sure there are more out there... they're just not the ones making noise. They dont go yelling out on the street corners that they're good people. They are unsung and do it by their actions.

[baha74]

:lol:

Nice post:good

[sallywinder]

I'm sorry but this was funny. :lol:

no need to be sorry. its an extention of "how are you, you ol bastard"......its not an insult, its actually friendly. political correctness is fucking peoples brains. look at 'the duke' as an example...his have turned to slime....


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[sallywinder]

a victorian premier, and a high profile banker are both lebanese.....although christians..


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[Rodin]

Canterbury Winger, & Muslim, Hasim El Masri is probably the only Bulldog that hasn't made a cunt of himself :rofl

[TheDuke]

a victorian premier, and a high profile banker are both lebanese.....although christians..


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I just told you I loved you and that's how you treat me. How's K Rudd?

[sallywinder]

I just told you I loved you and that's how you treat me. How's K Rudd?

waxing lyrical...

[pecks]

Souths used to have a Lebanese winger named Ahmed Bajouri. Fuck he was a shit player.

[smellmyfinger]

Souths used to have a Lebanese winger named Ahmed Bajouri. Fuck he was a shit player.

He was good until he went to Souths.

[pecks]

He was good until he went to Souths.He was always shit. He made Hegarty look like Dally Messenger.

No doubt he learnt his shitness from the Tigers. Merged faggots. :lol:

[CarltonBlues]

Don't get me wrong I think the Elomar brothers are wankers but they've been made a scapegoat in all of this.

[JOE COOL]

you dont see 20 aussie's jumping in the ring screaming at the crowd when a boxer was unconious !

[the beaver]

Another good leb is the little sweetie by the name of Cathy who would smoke my johnson at every safe opportunity :blurp ............. she was married :blood

8yrs ago now, oh the memories :yep

[sallywinder]

Don't get me wrong I think the Elomar brothers are wankers but they've been made a scapegoat in all of this.

:patsch

folloowing that 'logic' ....brett stewart shouldnt have been charged, it was that bitches fault for looking so good.....

sounds like islamic justice huh?!! stone the woman who was gang raped.......let the rapists go..

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[raff]

Wow, this is deep, it is also a can of worms & an argument that will never come to a peacful agreement,
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[smellmyfinger]

He was always shit. He made Hegarty look like Dally Messenger.

No doubt he learnt his shitness from the Tigers. Merged faggots. :lol:

With the right guidence at the Tigers, he had the world at his feet. He then lost that guidence when to Souths and is now regarded as the greatest waste of talent in the history if the game. Souths:verysad

[CarltonBlues]

:patsch

folloowing that 'logic' ....brett stewart shouldnt have been charged, it was that bitches fault for looking so good.....

sounds like islamic justice huh?!! stone the woman who was gang raped.......let the rapists go..

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I fail to see the similarities with rapists.

They got pelted by chairs and they threw them back. It was wrong to sink to the crowd's level but retaliation is common in human nature.

[Rodin]

Mate, if it was just that simple. Retaliation. But they were representative of boxing on national television.
It's not just one more scar on boxing, it another one too many.

Boxing is the loser here, the Elomar boys will go about their business & will be forgotten until they return, but every promotion will carry the image of the mayhem.
The fact that their mates flooded into the ring with an unconscious man on the canvas could well be interpreted to mean the fools who started throwing chairs were doing it in retaliation to the lack of concern for the fallen fighter.

They were the focal point on TV representing boxing. That's why they copped the holiday.

[CarltonBlues]

Mate, if it was just that simple. Retaliation. But they were representative of boxing on national television.
It's not just one more scar on boxing, it another one too many.

Boxing is the loser here, the Elomar boys will go about their business & will be forgotten until they return, but every promotion will carry the image of the mayhem.
The fact that their mates flooded into the ring with an unconscious man on the canvas could well be interpreted to mean the fools who started throwing chairs were doing it in retaliation to the lack of concern for the fallen fighter.

They were the focal point on TV representing boxing. That's why they copped the holiday.

So throwing chairs into the ring was meant to help Kickett was it? The chairs were thrown because a muslim (aka terrorist to plenty of red necks in this country) KOed the crowd favourite. The whole thing was fueled by racism

[sallywinder]

So throwing chairs into the ring was meant to help Kickett was it? The chairs were thrown because a muslim (aka terrorist to plenty of red necks in this country) KOed the crowd favourite. The whole thing was fueled by racism

so the red necks were going for a blackfella, but he got ko'd, then the rednecks forgot they wernt racist and attacked the 'sand ******s'...?

mate you have no idea. in the boxing circles i travel, boxing is one of the least racist sports, and its fans also less racist 'per capita' than the rest of the community.

how about, the crowd made a judgement on what they saw, and just didnt like elomar and his mottley crew? no racism in it. they just saw a mob acting like pricks, and let them know. theres nothing racist about that.

typical of muslims to blame everyone else for their troubles, instead of looking at themselves.

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[Kegsy]

Im heavily involved at many levels & also a huge fan of football (soccer) & it is far far far more racial than boxing.

[Rodin]

So throwing chairs into the ring was meant to help Kickett was it? The chairs were thrown because a muslim (aka terrorist to plenty of red necks in this country) KOed the crowd favourite. The whole thing was fueled by racism


Matey, if you go thru life believing that everyones opinion is based on a single difference, then that's an obsession.
You just can't seem to get past this muslim thing.

If they were Jehovah Witnesses who two out you on a Sunday morning, you might have had a point :lol:

[Phil Austin]

The hangers on taunting Kicketts supporters from the ring is what kicked off the ruck, nothing more, nothing less

[Wrangler]

The hangers on taunting Kicketts supporters from the ring is what kicked off the ruck, nothing more, nothing less


i think you've summed it up perfectly Phil. The fact that it was a good punch and a shock in the first round was completely forgotten by the sheer number of people who entered the ring to celebrate. they overdid it and that's when things got ugly.
one thing about Australians is that we do love to see some form of sportsmanship and the display put on by some people was a far cry from that. it's like kicking a bloke when he's down. You just don't do it.

[ranser]

:lol:If you don't get this, you're a racist :lol::lol::lol:

Two families moved from Afghanistan to Australia .

When they arrived the two fathers made a bet.

In a year's time whichever family had become more Australian would win.
One year later they met again.
The first man said, "My son is playing Australian football.
I had a meat pie with tomato sauce for breakfast, and I'm on my way to pick up a case of Victorian Bitter beer.
How about you?"
The second man replied, "Fuck off, towel head."

LMFAOO!!! THAT WAS A GOOD 1!:lol::lol::lol:

[ranser]

I WANT TO know though why is it bad for supporters to jump into the ring whilst the opponent is still down?? is it against the rules?

[left jab danny]

The best lebo was Mil Hanna what a champ:thumbsup

[boxoncottonon]

I WANT TO know though why is it bad for supporters to jump into the ring whilst the opponent is still down?? is it against the rules?

Great question, very deep. Here are a few more:


Why aren't spectators allowed onto Flemington whilst the horses are thundering down the track during Melbourne Cup?
Who said it was not on to jump in the pool between swimming events at the nationals?
Why can spectators sit right on the white boundry line at the footy, damn that would be good.
Why cant you run onto the basketball court and high five your favorite NBL player after an ally oop?
Why is it not possible to go to a sports event and act like a normal sports enjoying fan rather than a fuckwit and enter the arena provided for the athletes and carry on like a dickhead for a cause which is completely lost on the true sports fans?
Who the fuck knows?

I don't have all the answers to these.
Maybe I am to phylisophical or naive when it comes to the hard questions regarding sport.

:dunnowha::dunnowha::dunnowha::dunnowha::dunnowha:

[boxoncottonon]

There u go.

Decent lebs so far:
an ESB poster
A servo owner, his wife an 2 sons
My Chicken shop guy

Thats 6 so far.

:)

Im sure there are more out there... they're just not the ones making noise. They dont go yelling out on the street corners that they're good people. They are unsung and do it by their actions.

My mate Bono is a Leb....took six wickets for our cricket team last Saturday...last 2 of the game clean bowled...would have got a hatrick if they had another batsman in the shed. 6/25
He had the opposition shitting their pants...
Future club champion in the making!

[flamengo]

I WANT TO know though why is it bad for supporters to jump into the ring whilst the opponent is still down?? is it against the rules?

Ranser... In all fairness mate, thats a fucking stupid question. If a fighter is laying unconcious on the ring floor, members from both corners... Trainers and seconds, doctors and no one else need to be in the ring. Until the time a man has recorvered, or been removed to a more secure location, who the hell else needs to be in the ring?

I understand the excitement of fans, friends or associates... but fair dinkum, whats the use of a dozen people, of any race, bouncing around the ring while a fallen man is still laying prostate on the canvas??

Should any form of neck injury have ocurred, who is responsible of further damage??

Should the fallen fighter be kicked by an over zealos 'opposition supporter', who is responsible.

The ABF went through enough 'duty of care' discussion with the Elomartian fight. The supporters should have not entered the ring.... let alone the country.

With respect to Baha74, the dickheads (poor reps of the Leb race) involved had no place in the ring until the fallen fighter was in good hands. The same would go, if any other fighter was left in the same position....STAY OUT OF THE RING... unless you are a licenced Doc, Trainer, Second or Ref.

[Francis75]

I WANT TO know though why is it bad for supporters to jump into the ring whilst the opponent is still down?? is it against the rules?

Either you have no common sense or you are seriously on the wind-up. So which one is it ? Kickett had been sparked senseless by a one in a thousand punch and was lying helpless on the canvas then Elomar's entourage of approx 10 men come storming into the ring thinking they are doing the running of the bulls in the streets of Pomplona Spain. It was a disgusting display of bad sportsmanship.

[Rodin]

Apart from this event, I think it is long past time that International boxing rules are amended to comply with EVERY other sport & enforce ticketed only personnel in the ring. & a limit to tickets issued.

How many times have we seen the ring with people packed in like sardines.
Little kids being squashed & jostled by oafs more intent on getting their heads on TV than anything else.

One of these days the ring is going to collapse & the lawyers will land on the sagging rings ropes like vultures. Then we'll get the fucken message.:fire:fire

[baha74]

TOTALLY agree flamengo.

There's plenty of time to celebrate later. The amount of macho BS spewing from the hangars strutting around in the ring that try to act all tough is just pathetic. Celebrate in the crowd, jump and down but noooooo, let's get our face on tv bro and act all tough and shit ule.

The entourage thing happens in the states and other places too. It's all about show and appearances but I think the harder you try (tryhard), the more pathetic you look. Nothing like being humble and sporting.

(BTW mate, prostrate not prostate ;-):yep)

[stiflers mum]

Apart from this event, I think it is long past time that International boxing rules are amended to comply with EVERY other sport & enforce ticketed only personnel in the ring. & a limit to tickets issued.

How many times have we seen the ring with people packed in like sardines.
Little kids being squashed & jostled by oafs more intent on getting their heads on TV than anything else.

One of these days the ring is going to collapse & the lawyers will land on the sagging rings ropes like vultures. Then we'll get the fucken message.:fire:fire
didnt the ring collapse when mundine ko'd soliman and people spewed into the ring?

[daz52]

didnt the ring collapse when mundine ko'd soliman and people spewed into the ring?

haha yep even paul briggs said i think theres enuf people in that ring.. its ridiculous.

[ranser]

Either you have no common sense or you are seriously on the wind-up. So which one is it ? Kickett had been sparked senseless by a one in a thousand punch and was lying helpless on the canvas then Elomar's entourage of approx 10 men come storming into the ring thinking they are doing the running of the bulls in the streets of Pomplona Spain. It was a disgusting display of bad sportsmanship.

forget it.

[Rodin]

didnt the ring collapse when mundine ko'd soliman and people spewed into the ring?


I was a bit vague there, I meant when those huge crowds with little kids in there, & that one of them would get seriously hurt.
Cheers

[flamengo]

TOTALLY agree flamengo.

There's plenty of time to celebrate later. The amount of macho BS spewing from the hangars strutting around in the ring that try to act all tough is just pathetic. Celebrate in the crowd, jump and down but noooooo, let's get our face on tv bro and act all tough and shit ule.

The entourage thing happens in the states and other places too. It's all about show and appearances but I think the harder you try (tryhard), the more pathetic you look. Nothing like being humble and sporting.

(BTW mate, prostrate not prostate ;-):yep)

Nah mate... he was lying prostate in the ring... one of the supporters stole the extra 'r' and threw at the crowd. :rofl

[flamengo]

didnt the ring collapse when mundine ko'd soliman and people spewed into the ring?

Sammy was concious... mobile and ok. There's a difference. Point taken though.. too often theres a ridiculous amount of heads in the ring post fight.

[baha74]

:good:yep