Why is Leonard so disliked?

[Bokaj]

The animosity, and sometimes hatred, that many on this board express towards Sugar Ray Leonard continues to baffle me. Personally, I have no bias against or for him in any way, I just see him as great fighter like Pep, Robinson, Louis, Ali, Hearns, Armstrong, Whitaker, Greb, Hagler, Moore, Jones, Charles, Hopkins and many others. He is one of the fighters I enjoy watching the most, though.

But why is he so disliked? He made the bigggest fights happen and he perfomed well in just about all of them. Sure, like just about every fighter who's ever lived he made some allowances for risk/reward etc, but he still took on more dangerous opponents than most champions have.

So what is it? Is it that he beat too many fan's favourite fighters, is it that his image isn't "bad boy" or "blue collared" enough? What?

That there is some resentment towards a guy like Ali, that is so elevated in many's mind, is understandable, but for some reason there's much more bad blood concerning Leonard (at least on this board), and I just don't get it.

Ps. Rooster, I can't of course stop you from posting here, but since you are after all raving mad I won't discuss with you.

[GPater11093]

I like Sugar Ray Leonard he is the first true superstar of boxing i liked as my Dad was a big fan of Leonard but as i grew and watched more boxing i appreciated his skills but didnt like the way he adopted th Sugar ringname.i didnt likthe way he stole a win from hagler

i respect teh guy and he is near the top of my top 100, top 20 actually. hes a good fighter but not my favourite but i shouldnt let my dad hear that.

[janitor]

Because he was not what the fans want on several levels, and he beat the guys who were what the fans wanted their heros to be.

[Flea Man]

I hate Leonard. Mainly because he beat Hagler and I'm a huge Marvin fan.

To be honest, Leonard is the ONLY fighter I allow that sorta thing to cloud my judgement over. He should probably be top ten or five all-time, but he only scrapes into my top 20 because people would ask me why he wasn't there otherwise?

From a less biased point of view; I don't like the fact he waited for Hagler to go past peak before fighting him. Ducking him whilst fighting other guys is fine as long as you eventually fighting him.

But playing tennis and taking years off whilst you watched the champ go through a series of ardous battles, then pick-pocketing rounds from him? No doubt Hagler did himself a disservice by boxing mainly orthodox for the first few rounds. Leonard's clowning in the Duran rematch was annoying too.

However, wins over probably 'Peak' Hearns, as well as Benitez, Duran in the 2nd fight (regardless of the way he won it, he still furstrated Duran enough to make him quit, even I have to say well done) and Hagler, regardless of what I think, he still did enough to win in most people's eyes (and the eyes that count, The Judges) and also holds a very impressive win over Donny Lalonde (also tainted due to Leonard's insistence he weigh-in twice so as also to make the SMW limit)

There are fighters with deeper resumes, but Leonard has some fantastic wins over ATG's when they were at/near their peak. He is one of the 'Icon's' of boxing, and had fantastic skills which rate him highly H2H.


I don't like him though.

[GPater11093]

Fleaman we like all the same fighters it really is weird

[Flea Man]

Fleaman we like all the same fighters it really is weird

It is weird, but welcome :good

[GPater11093]

It is weird, but welcome :good

its kinda freaky but good

[JimmyShimmy]

My guess is many believed he stole 'greatness' if you can do such a thing.

[Bokaj]

I hate Leonard. Mainly because he beat Hagler and I'm a huge Marvin fan.

To be honest, Leonard is the ONLY fighter I allow that sorta thing to cloud my judgement over. He should probably be top ten or five all-time, but he only scrapes into my top 20 because people would ask me why he wasn't there otherwise?

From a less biased point of view; I don't like the fact he waited for Hagler to go past peak before fighting him. Ducking him whilst fighting other guys is fine as long as you eventually fighting him.

But playing tennis and taking years off whilst you watched the champ go through a series of ardous battles, then pick-pocketing rounds from him? No doubt Hagler did himself a disservice by boxing mainly orthodox for the first few rounds. Leonard's clowning in the Duran rematch was annoying too.

However, wins over probably 'Peak' Hearns, as well as Benitez, Duran in the 2nd fight (regardless of the way he won it, he still furstrated Duran enough to make him quit, even I have to say well done) and Hagler, regardless of what I think, he still did enough to win in most people's eyes (and the eyes that count, The Judges) and also holds a very impressive win over Donny Lalonde (also tainted due to Leonard's insistence he weigh-in twice so as also to make the SMW limit)

There are fighters with deeper resumes, but Leonard has some fantastic wins over ATG's when they were at/near their peak. He is one of the 'Icon's' of boxing, and had fantastic skills which rate him highly H2H.


I don't like him though.


Good of you to admit your bias, but you still say things that doesn't make sense.

1. Sure, he probably waited until the right moment before calling Hagler out, but he still went up against a dominant ATG MW champion, himself being a natural WW and coming out of a long retirement. You REALLY have to twist things around to make Leonard seem like a coward here. There is a wide gulf many times between being smart and realistic and being cowardly.

And, yes, he fought smart to "steal" rounds and there's definitely a case to be made that the decision could as well have gone to Hagler. But it was a good fight and his physical inferiority made it necissary for him to fight a tactical fight. And no matter what you think of the decision, it was no robbery and was down to the judges, not Leonard.

2. How can you seriously knock him for taunting Duran? Duran, who acted badly towards many opponents, taunted him in the closing stages of their first fight, besides insulting his wife. So he did a bit of clowning against the guy who said he would fukk his wife right after fukking him up? Big deal.

[GPater11093]

Bokaj he admits hes biased

but Leonard chose the worng fighters to steal from and taunt

[leverage]

I despise leonard because of the fact that he waited 8 years to give hearns a rematch (which he lost imo) and he waited untill hagler started slipping before fighting him instead of fighting him in his prime (i had him losing that fight also). He didn't give benitez the rematch that he deserved, and if he'd beat duran the first time he wouldn't have given him a rematch either.

Leonard may have been a great fighter skill wise but a true champion he was not. A true champion doesn't wait untill he feels that someone is washed up before he fights them.

[janitor]

I despise leonard because of the fact that he waited 8 years to give hearns a rematch (which he lost imo) and he waited untill hagler started slipping before fighting him instead of fighting him in his prime (i had him losing that fight also). He didn't give benitez the rematch that he deserved, and if he'd beat duran the first time he wouldn't have given him a rematch either.

Leonard may have been a great fighter skill wise but a true champion he was not. A true champion doesn't wait untill he feels that someone is washed up before he fights them.

This just about sums it up.

He was a great fighter but not a fans fighter.

[Bokaj]

I despise leonard because of the fact that he waited 8 years to give hearns a rematch (which he lost imo) and he waited untill hagler started slipping before fighting him instead of fighting him in his prime (i had him losing that fight also). He didn't give benitez the rematch that he deserved, and if he'd beat duran the first time he wouldn't have given him a rematch either.

Leonard may have been a great fighter skill wise but a true champion he was not. A true champion doesn't wait untill he feels that someone is washed up before he fights them.

But for almost 5 of the 8 years between the fights with Hearns he was retired, and when they did meat the second time he was 33 and clearly past his prime. I agree that Hearns should have won the rematch, but, again, it's the judges's fault not Leonard's.

I don't know the story behind Benitez not getting a rematch, but it was a clear victory the first time around. Hearns won by a smaller margin and didn't give Benitez a rematch. Hagler didn't give Duran and Hearns rematches. Duran didn't give Buchanan a rematch, nor Barkley.

The simple fact is that Leonard had more fights against these guys (Benitez, Duran, Hearns and Hagler) than anyone else, but still he's the one who gets the short end of the stick. It just doesn't make sense.

[Robbi]

I don't see myself as biased towards Leonard in terms of rating him H2H, his skills or overall how high I rate him as a fighter. A thread was done a while back regarding to mention a poster and the fighter who springs to mind first. Someone said, Robbi - Sugar Ray Leonard. Obviously that poster thought I was a fan.

I actually dislike Leonard outwith his ability inside the ring.

It really annoys me that he won two titles in one fight against Lalonde. Outright cheating IMO. If I was Leonard I'd be embarrassed with those two titles in one fight.

His tactics with the Hagler negotiatons were also sneaky.

[shadow boxer]

I've often wondered over this as well. For someone with such a good list of top quality wins in his resume people just don't seem to be able to warm to him. I've even questioned myself as to why I find it particularly difficult to like him. I think beating Hearns and Hagler may have something to do with it.....but surely it must be more than that?

Maybe it's the fact that the general public fawned over him so much from the start coupled with his attitude.

I rewatched Leonard and Hagler about two days ago and I actually began to really respect the heart, skills and especially footwork of Leonard. I think if Hagler had been given the decision, which he deserved in my opinion, then I would have appreciated Leonard so much more in his losing attempt.

[smitty_son408]

He did a lot of shady business, for example 2 different weight titles at one weight???? :wtf

[MrMarvel]

My guess is many believed he stole 'greatness' if you can do such a thing.

There are cases in which athletes, politicians, actors, etc. can create the perception of greatness. So, in the sense that a public figure can manufacture such a perception - obviously with a lot of help from others - even when the actual circumstances don't really support the perception, I guess you can say somebody stole greatness.

[teeto]

He did a lot of shady business, for example 2 different weight titles at one weight???? :wtf
Haha, i know, worst deal ever. It actually happened another time, thanks for the reminder, you inspired me to make a post on the boxing quiz thread there.

[smitty_son408]

He did a lot of shady business, for example 2 different weight titles at one weight???? :wtf

[teeto]

He did a lot of shady business, for example 2 different weight titles at one weight???? :wtf
You double posted there!

[Robbi]

Leonard also has the type of face I'd like to punch. Nothing to with his boyish looks at all. I just think he looks like a cheeky little sneaky cunt.

[smitty_son408]

You double posted there!

My bad connection being a real pussy right now:twisted:

[Rebel-INS]

Leonard also has the type of face I'd like to punch. Nothing to with his boyish looks at all. I just think he looks like a cheeky little sneaky cunt.

I agree he was a right cock in his prime, but I think he seems like a decent bloke now.

[PowerPuncher]

I certainly don't and I think there's even a case he's the greatest of the fab 4 and even a case for him to be ranked above SRR at WW, in turn making a good case for no1 P4P GOAT

[redrooster]

it has nothing to do with being liked or disliked as some would like you to believe. its because he's overrated and phony. This whole thread is phony!

And the comback was contrived all the way. sure he looked great against hagler but what did he have left, nothing? Hagler's sparring partners beat him way worse. I saw it myself so why would I give leonard credit for it? Put him in the ring with speedsters and he loses every time. And his chin sucks. Marcos Geraldo and hector camacho proved that

[redrooster]

Believe me, I know. No one knows leonard the way I know him

[redrooster]

Roy Jones was way better!

[Robbi]

Believe me, I know. No one knows leonard the way I know him

We have figured that one out. Your among very a small minority that knows him in such a manner. :lol:


:good

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

How many fighters purposefully take on other fighters who are in their prime or when it's likely to suit the other guy more?? - no smart ones I know of.

You can't be forced to like Leonard, but you gotta respect him for what he acheived.

[natonic]

Believe me, I know. No one knows leonard the way I know him

So you're saying you know him in the biblical sense?

[Sonny Carson]

He was one of the best and he when he first came on the scene everyone was a fan. But when he waited till Hagler was washed up to fight him that created alot of animosity. I respect the way he fought but not the person he was. I wish he was on the Contender instead of Tony Danza though.

[cuchulain]

So you're saying you know him in the biblical sense?

And if he doesn't, he sure dreams about it !


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[Bokaj]

Thanks for the many good replies.

As for the LaLonde bussines, that was embarassing, but a good win nonetheless. But you can find embarassing things in most fighters careers (perhaps not Louis's, though), but when it comes to Leonard every little question mark seems to be made into a glaring exclamation point and that is fascinating in a way.

Something with him just rubs people in the wrong way, and since I have no personal feeling for him myself (just respect for him as a fighter) that is one thing that has surprised me on this board.

[BoxingFanNo1]

He was one of the best and he when he first came on the scene everyone was a fan. But when he waited till Hagler was washed up to fight him that created alot of animosity. I respect the way he fought but not the person he was. I wish he was on the Contender instead of Tony Danza though.

Hagler was washed up...... :patsch

[turpinr]

its difficult to say why he is disliked.till i came on this site i wasn't aware that it almost a universal thought.stealing the title from hagler didn't help and cherry picking his titles too.what about his lucky draw with tommy hearns ?
him being an ATG isn't in question but there's something about him that gets up your nose

[mrbassie]

So you're saying you know him in the biblical sense?

He put two of him on a boat to save him from a flood.

[turpinr]

He was one of the best and he when he first came on the scene everyone was a fan. But when he waited till Hagler was washed up to fight him that created alot of animosity. I respect the way he fought but not the person he was. I wish he was on the Contender instead of Tony Danza though.

whats tony danza doing these days besides contender,carlos palomino was on taxi once wasn't he ?

[redrooster]

And if he doesn't, he sure dreams about it !


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Look who's back, spear boy and his wolf lover. Ready for another ass whipping punk?

[redrooster]

its difficult to say why he is disliked.till i came on this site i wasn't aware that it almost a universal thought.stealing the title from hagler didn't help and cherry picking his titles too.what about his lucky draw with tommy hearns ?
him being an ATG isn't in question but there's something about him that gets up your nose

another question is how much stock do you want to give him for gaining a decision over a man he deliberately watched five years to see digress physically? How much stock do you give for avenging a loss to a 29 year old that shed 40 pounds? The Benitez fight is an okay accomplishment but I do recall Curry and Weston getting the better of him on their aggression. The Hearns fight has to count for something I can't help thinking this is alot like the first Schmeling Louis fight.

I think the Norris fight puts him into proper perspective. Granted, Norris WAS great and had too much going for him athletic and talent wise for someone like leonard but still...THIS WAS SUGAR RAY!!

[redrooster]

Hagler was washed up...... :patsch

Elaborate BF1 if you can. Normally when a fighter's had his last fight, they are washed up-and it showed with Hagler.

[Bokaj]

another question is how much stock do you want to give him for gaining a decision over a man he deliberately watched five years to see digress physically? How much stock do you give for avenging a loss to a 29 year old that shed 40 pounds? The Benitez fight is an okay accomplishment but I do recall Curry and Weston getting the better of him on their aggression. The Hearns fight has to count for something I can't help thinking this is alot like the first Schmeling Louis fight.

I think the Norris fight puts him into proper perspective. Granted, Norris WAS great and had too much going for him athletic and talent wise for someone like leonard but still...THIS WAS SUGAR RAY!!

Just out of curiosity; how do you react to full moons?

[redrooster]

Just out of curiosity; how do you react to full moons?


You wanted the truth didnt you? You asked for it and you discount it because you don't LIKE it?? I get the feeling you already knew the answer being that it's so commonly known. This is why I said this thread is bogus from the beginning

[Bill Butcher]

So what is it? Is it that he beat too many fan's favourite fighters,

is it that his image isn't "bad boy" or "blue collared" enough? What?


Mainly the top line & partly the bottom line more than likely.

A lot of people claim they didnt like what SRL did to Hagler... by inviting him to that big get together only to announce his retirement rather than a fight between he & Hagler then yrs later come back when Hagler looked a bit slower.....

My question to those guys is.... truthfully, honestly, would you still hold that against Leonard had Hagler won ?..... No is the answer your looking for.

Ps. I like Leonard, he was 1 of the best ever boxers, very complete with 1 of the best records (in quality, not quantity) in history.

[natonic]

I didn't like Hagler back in the 80's. I tired of the woe is me, no repsect bullshit. But now, 25 years after the fact he's one of my favorite fighters to watch. I can just watch and enjoy.
Likewise, there's a lot to like about Leonard if you just watch all the fights and forget all the hype.

[redrooster]

Mainly the top line & partly the bottom line more than likely.

A lot of people claim they didnt like what SRL did to Hagler... by inviting him to that big get together only to announce his retirement rather than a fight between he & Hagler then yrs later come back when Hagler looked a bit slower.....

My question to those guys is.... truthfully, honestly, would you still hold that against Leonard had Hagler won ?..... No is the answer your looking for.

Ps. I like Leonard, he was 1 of the best ever boxers, very complete with 1 of the best records (in quality, not quantity) in history.


This kind of talk is being pushed out there by the leonard groupies to disguise the true reasons which I and others have already gone into. Nobody's falling for the line about "quality not quanity" either. Quality being 36-3-1? He could have pushed for more fights. Instead he pushed hard for less fights because well truthfully, he couldnt handle it :yep

36-3-1 by any stretch of imagination, amounts to IMO, mediocrity. And quality wise there's no Pryor, Jackson, McCallum, or Nunn which he could have if taken he had more guts. No one demanded rematches with Hearns and Duran. There was nothing left of them at that point. There's also Norris but I wouldnt call it a success.

[cuchulain]

Look who's back, spear boy and his wolf lover. Ready for another ass whipping punk?

Your sorry ass continues to get owned every time you pop up.

Five posts in a row ?


Who's a loser, then Red cock ?


People tell me you're an ESB LEGEND !


And it's true.



Just not for the reasons you'd like:hey:hey

[leverage]

I don't see myself as biased towards Leonard in terms of rating him H2H, his skills or overall how high I rate him as a fighter. A thread was done a while back regarding to mention a poster and the fighter who springs to mind first. Someone said, Robbi - Sugar Ray Leonard. Obviously that poster thought I was a fan.

I actually dislike Leonard outwith his ability inside the ring.

It really annoys me that he won two titles in one fight against Lalonde. Outright cheating IMO. If I was Leonard I'd be embarrassed with those two titles in one fight.

His tactics with the Hagler negotiatons were also sneaky.
I agree, he was a sneak. If i recall correctly I read someplace that he was seen meeting with 1 or 2 of the judges sometime before the fight. He also wanted a larger size gloves to be worn, and also he wanted the ring to be a larger. While I understand that conditions of a fight should be on even terms, leonard had the gall to try to swing things his way That's the way he was, an ultra talented coward who didn't believe in his own abilities to the point that he had to pull tricks.

[redrooster]

Your sorry ass continues to get owned every time you pop up.

Five posts in a row ?


Who's a loser, then Red cock ?


People tell me you're an ESB LEGEND !


And it's true.



Just not for the reasons you'd like:hey:hey

who's the loser? You are

Who even replies to you? No one. you got no knowledge of the sport. no one replies to you on the classic section so you move to the lounge section where you either get ignored or suffer insults. See? That classifies you as a loser, lonely boy with 7500 posts

What do you even know about boxing? nothing. Even at the the lounge section you dont know anything. all you got is one liners. I tried talking economics with you and you started with insults so I had to kick your ass!

Go on and ask me a question about economics. Go on! See? nothing!

You got nothing in common with anyone on the entire ESB board and that includes your retarded avatar :lol:

Where'd you say your birthplace is, Muirthemne? :lol:

:piss Muirthemne :lol:

[cuchulain]

who's the loser? You are

Who even replies to you? No one. you got no knowledge of the sport. no one replies to you on the classic section so you move to the lounge section where you either get ignored or suffer insults. See? That classifies you as a loser, lonely boy with 7500 posts

What do you even know about boxing? nothing. Even at the the lounge section you dont know anything. all you got is one liners. I tried talking economics with you and you started with insults so I had to kick your ass!

Go on and ask me a question about economics. Go on! See? nothing!

You got nothing in common with anyone on the entire ESB board and that includes your retarded avatar :lol:

Where'd you say your birthplace is, Muirthemne? :lol:

:piss Muirthemne :lol:


You're a bit out of your depth here, red dick ?

You tried to talk economics. That's a laugh !

Let me remind you where this started.

I responded to a poster who stated that Obama might make things worse than Bush left them, with:

Always possible.


But given the COMPLETE FUCKING MESS it was left in by Bush, he'd have his work cut out for him !



And you inserted yourself into the thread with

Dont be a dumb socialist, dickhead. Vote republican!



Is that what you call trying to talk economics ?

Thought so.



And then, you threw:

Look who's talking! Shitface himself. And no one's interested in sucking your pasty white 2 inch dick. Dont like it? Do something about it! That's right, you can't! :lol:

Come on with it cuchy! What you going to do about it, wet your panties like you usuallly do?

Everyone knows what a sensitive cunt you are :lol:



Three fuckin posts in a row, trying to get my attention.

And such fuckin' great posts they were too.


You know fuck all about boxing, economics, geography, politics, or, it appears, anything much at all.


"Come on, ask me an economics question. Anything"

Do you know how sad you sound, dude.



Three fuckin posts to get my attention and then a pm.


And then following me onto other threads and making a fool of yourself there too.

The phrase " Get a life" was made for you.



Enough typing has been wasted on you this time.

You were amusing for a while, but your limited skill set forces you to go round in circles. Same old thing, over and over.


2000 posts on your idol, Leonard !

How sad is that ?

Muirthemne ?

What a twit !



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See you around, redcock.


:hi:

[redrooster]

You're a bit out of your depth here, red dick ?


Do you know how sad you sound, dude.






Out of my depth with you, king of one liners? :lol:

waisting your time? You got all the time in the world. Look at you,, 7500 posts in 1 year and every one of them about dicks. Me? 2500 in five years. who does more posting? :oops:

I only started on you because you're the biggest punching bag on ESB you bag of shit :lol:

Where the fuck is Muirthemne? :lol:

:piss Muirthemne

[redrooster]

..

[cuchulain]

waisting your time? You got all the time in the world. Look at you,, 7500 posts in 1 year and every one of them about dicks. Me? 2500 in five years. who does more posting? :oops:

I only started on you because you're the biggest punching bag on ESB you bag of shit :lol:

Where the fuck is Muirthemne?



Poor sorry sad fucker.

Can't count any better than you can spell.

I have 6500 in two years.

You have 2500 in FOUR YEARS.

( And, according to the administration, you just lost several thousand a few weeks ago during a crash.)

And nearly all of your posts concern the great SUGAR RAY LEONARD.


Mine cover every topic under the sun.



Besides, the fact that you're a loser doesn't stem from your huge number of posts.

You demonstrate that you're a loser when you post something and then post three more times, begging for a reply.

And then pm your target, with more begging.

THAT'S what makes you a loser !




Now fuck off and go sleep, before your mum catches you jerkin off again !

[redrooster]

close enough. still makes you a loser

Now,, who does more posts?

Poor guy lives in a trailer too

and is Irish

[redrooster]

if you're irish it makes you a bleeder

[redrooster]

I knew you were a loser for a reason punk. anyone who lives in a trailer makes them a loser-in anyone's book. Even in this economy. No wonder you have no girl. is it any wonder you spend so much time on ESB

[cuchulain]

12:02

12:03

and

12:06


Three posts in a row.

All beggin for a reply !

Sorry I wasn't able to get back to you, dude!



You poor, pathetic little pussy-fart!



Such an awesome poster you're becoming !

[redrooster]

12:02

12:03

and

12:06


Three posts in a row.

All beggin for a reply !

Sorry I wasn't able to get back to you, dude!



You poor, pathetic little pussy-fart!



Such an awesome poster you're becoming !

You're shooting blanks again caveman. I take it you didnt appreciate my latest rebuttal at the lounge today. :lol:

Ain't my fault you're too slow for me, loser who cant find a date willing to fuck you inside your trailer who winds up jacking off to porno films.

You're not even from this country and you're telling people "America, love it or leave it fuckers". Nobody even takes you serious because we all know you come from a nation consisting of cavemen and bleeders.


As for myself, everyone knows who I am and what I can do. :smoke

I need only a handful of posts to shut the worst offenders down (most of them being leonard fans). Anyone daring to debate that issue automatically falls within one day.

Because of me, the consciousness of the boxing fraternity has expanded exponentially. Because of me, many of the posters here have learned to think for themselves instead of blindly taking what they see in print as factual.

Because of me Terry Norris has gained the popularity and respect he has earned in the ring.

(see boxing's guide of complete ass kicking)

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And if anyone dissagrees, I'll have to shoot them down too!

Because of me, Hector Camacho fans can now come out of the closet and profess their love for him. Sure you have some people such as John Thomas trying their best to place negative influence on my man but for the most part he fails. he's a failure at everything, like you. :yep

On top of all these proud accomplishments, I have been the sole instrument in the destruction of Ray leonard and his reputation. he aint shit anymore. The proof of which can be seen on youtube.

In fact, Youtube has many more knowledgable posters than what you see on eastside!


Almost forgot

bye loser :hi:

[cuchulain]

You're shooting blanks again caveman. I take it you didnt appreciate my latest rebuttal at the lounge today. :lol:

Ain't my fault you're too slow for me, loser who cant find a date willing to fuck you inside your trailer who winds up jacking off to porno films.

You're not even from this country and you're telling people "America, love it or leave it fuckers". Nobody even takes you serious because we all know you come from a nation consisting of cavemen and bleeders.


As for myself, everyone knows who I am and what I can do. :smoke

I need only a handful of posts to shut the worst offenders down (most of them being leonard fans). Anyone daring to debate that issue automatically falls within one day.

Because of me, the consciousness of the boxing fraternity has expanded exponentially. Because of me, many of the posters here have learned to think for themselves instead of blindly taking what they see in print as factual.

Because of me Terry Norris has gained the popularity and respect he has earned in the ring.

(see boxing's guide of complete ass kicking)

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[Only registered and activated users can see links]

And if anyone dissagrees, I'll have to shoot them down too!

Because of me, Hector Camacho fans can now come out of the closet and profess their love for him. Sure you have some people such as John Thomas trying their best to place negative influence on my man but for the most part he fails. he's a failure at everything, like you. :yep

On top of all these proud accomplishments, I have been the sole instrument in the destruction of Ray leonard and his reputation. he aint shit anymore. The proof of which can be seen on youtube.

In fact, Youtube has many more knowledgable posters than what you see on eastside!


Almost forgot

bye loser :hi:


You poor deluded little peon !

Just about everyone in the GF and Class Forum is aware of your ramblings and semi-literate rantings, nearly all on the subject of Leonard.

You're generally considered a Joke poster, a little above Charlie Z and Bigtime 9.

At least Presscott, despite his similar obsession with Oscar, has the benefit of being witty and has the ability to read AND UNDERSTAND posts.

You're a slow-witted dofus, whose entire boxing consciousness is in the grips of one fighter.


Did he wrong you somehow in the past ?

Did it involve your wife or Mother maybe ?


At any rate, as numerous posters have mentioned to you already, Nothing can be inferred about Sugar Ray from his well-past-prime Norris fight.

I could dig up You-tube video of ALi-Holmes or Ali-Berbick and go on to say what an over-rated fighter Ali was.

And did Kevin McBride's destruction of Iron Mike lessen Tyson's greatness ?

I don't think so.

We tend not to count fights too much when a fighter becomes shot.


In regard to Sugar Ray, I never cared too much for the guy. I found him a bit cocky and bordering on arrogant. It was a good night for me when Duran dealt with him in Montreal.

However, like Mayweather, who I don't much care for either, there's no denying the man's talent.

If you understand anything about the sport, you can appreciate Leonard's speed, skill, timing, accuracy, power and Ring Generalship.

Like him or hate him, he was still an ATG and a legend.


That you fail to see that, is the source of your credibility problems with serious posters on here.


BTW, a year or two ago, I made a thread asking posters on the GF and the classic to list in order the top 10 boxers of the last 30 years between 130 and 160 lbs.

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When I averaged the results (See post #108 of that thread), Leonard topped the list.

IMO, it should have been Duran at #1 but Leonard was a good choice for #2.

BTW, you contributed your list too:
Marvin Hagler
Roy Jones
Roberto Duran
Alexis Arguello
Salvador Sanchez
hearns
Hector Camacho
Pernell Whitaker
J C Chavez
Norris



Yours was the only one NOT to rank Leonard at all.

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Cuchi, you'll have to excuse me but i can't afford to be seen with anyone who lives in a trailer :oops:

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The best of Terry Norris.

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Cuchi, you'll have to excuse me but i can't afford to be seen with anyone who lives in a trailer :oops:

Manny's gonna be real disappointed when he learns that fact.



Too bad.


You two might have got along.

(Then again, maybe not. Manny might not be very understanding of your gay problem. He's redneck.)


But he's real proud of that trailer and if he hears you badmouthin' his dwellin' place, not only will you not get along, he might just track you down and lay a lickin' on you.




Then again, he rarely stays sober long enough to leave Ohio.


Maybe he'll put Leeroy on your sorry ass !

Get mediaeval and such.:yep





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Manny's is the little orange job on the second level. Cute, eh ?