Boxing conspiracies

[Martbowski]

Basically I'm doing an investigation into match fixing, and general dodgy dealings within sport, and am asking you lot, the heroes of East Side Boxing to help me out on the boxing front.

I'm looking for any stories within boxing that are controversial - I know by reading this board every day that a lot goes on within boxing, but I'm looking for the real juicy stuff - and as famous and obvious as possible.

Anything from famous duckings (didn't Tyson once pay NOT to fight Lewis?) to throwing fights (the Michael Gomez fight that's on youtube) to anything really - basically anything a touch dodgy, or untoward.

If any of you could link to some reputable sites and that it'd be helpful, and quotes by people to do with the sport would also be really really good.

Hope some of you can help, and that this thread has been made clear.

Cheers lads.

[Gaz S]

Looking into the various sanctioning bodies will find you a whole treasure trove of dodgy goings on!

There was a huge scandal several years ago with the then IBF president Bob Lee, selling rankings and accepting bribes from promoters, for one example. I'm sure if you search the net you'll find plenty of info and back story there on that one.

Oh, and who can forget the WBO moving Darrin Morris up from #7 to #5 in their super-middleweight rankings back in 2001 - after he had died!

[Lee Mc]

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[El Cepillo]

Oscar "beating" Sturm was a shocker, a blatant fix IMO, to set up the Hopkins fight.

[rhinocoote]

wow,,,i'm glad i wasn't just me who saw the blatant winner.....lose!


sturm was robbed!!!

[Lee Mc]

Oscar "beating" Sturm was a shocker, a blatant fix IMO, to set up the Hopkins fight.

I had, like most people, Sturm win by a couple of rounds however I remember Boxing News and Boxing Monthly, I think, saying that De La Hoya won 115-113.

Same as the Valuev vs Holyfield fight. Most of us who watched it on TV gave it to Holyfield whilst most journalists (all but 1 if I remember properly) gave it to Valuev...

[El Cepillo]

I had, like most people, Sturm win by a couple of rounds however I remember Boxing News and Boxing Monthly, I think, saying that De La Hoya won 115-113.

Same as the Valuev vs Holyfield fight. Most of us who watched it on TV gave it to Holyfield whilst most journalists (all but 1 if I remember properly) gave it to Valuev...

When the final bell went Oscar said to Sturm "congratulations, you won", when the decision was announced, Oscar didn't even smile, he just raised his hands and looked embarrassed. He is on record ad saying he lost the fight. I've always felt it was a set up, or karma, because Oscar got robbed in a couple of much bigger fights himself.

[rhinocoote]

if you are looking for dodgy stuff in the game, all you have to do is to look at the last prizefighter bill;
i do not claim to be an expert in the game,,nor do i think that the judges or refs have an easy job in this format,,
but i am 'obsessed' ,and have seen enough bills to know how a fight can be judged......
betting seems to be more pronounced on these nights,and governing bodies have not as much need to be involved (no belts on the line).
'Dilkes',,once given the decision to get to the final,,,had to find out that it was an apparent mistake on the scorecard!!@@
without being too paranoid of a 'scam' ,i can't remember the last time that this happened in boxing,we just have to take mr hearns word for it,,can we look at the scorecard or is the large pile of betting winnings in the way????

[dwilson]

Enzo Mc took a dive vs Haye is my favorite.

[D-MAC]

Two that spring to mind:

(1) Carlos Zarate v Lupe Pintor -

143-142 Pintor
143-142 Pintor
145-133 Zarate

Zarate won this one easy; two judges fucked it up (ie: took the green).

(2) Cristian Mijares v Carlos Navarro

115-113 Mijares
117-111 Mijares
Judge Doug Tucker had it 120-108 to Navarro (ie: he won every round).

Mijares won this one comfortably (i would agree with the 117-111 scorecard).

[D-MAC]

Of course if we are talking dodgy as hell shit in the boxing world, then look no further than Danny Williams v Konstantin Airich.

It doesn't get anymore dodgy than that fight:deal

[ishy]

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[ishy]

The Lewis-Holyfield I scoring. Don King had that woman judge in his pocket.

Some dodgy decisions Julio Cesar Chavez received e.g. A draw against Whittaker.

[Primadonna Kool]

I remember as a kid, getting "Lennox Lewis's undistuped Truth Video"

For Christmas..

[ishy]

The WBC/Graciano Rocchigiani issue.

[robpalmer135]

Looking into the various sanctioning bodies will find you a whole treasure trove of dodgy goings on!

There was a huge scandal several years ago with the then IBF president Bob Lee, selling rankings and accepting bribes from promoters, for one example. I'm sure if you search the net you'll find plenty of info and back story there on that one.

Oh, and who can forget the WBO moving Darrin Morris up from #7 to #5 in their super-middleweight rankings back in 2001 - after he had died!

i thought that was how they all worked?

to be hoenst conspirices in boxing is as braod a subject as History of everythig thats ever happenend.

the michael gomez match fixing scandal.

[El Cepillo]

I didn't think Monte Barrett-Haye was all above board. But maybe I'm just a paranoid son-of-a-bitch. I've heard rumours about Bruno-McCall as well.

[Power]

ragging bull admits to losing a fight so he could fight for a world title from mafia

[1stcontact]

Khan vs Barrera







































**looks over shoulder** "Who said that??"

[noonan]

khan vs kindellin khans last amatuer fight

[brown bomber]

Takaloo taking a dive against Wayne Alexander

[toffeejack]

Robin Reid vs Sven Ottke was a complete joke.

How the hell they got away with that I'll never know.

[kosaros]

Ali vs Liston II

Plus, Liston's death and how it could have been connected to the mafia (lost a fight they bet on him winning).

[mrplow182]

Danny Williams where the Turk/German promoter rang the bell to end the round a minute early to save his fighter

[GazOC]

Khan-Kindelan II.

[mrplow182]

Khan-Kindelan II.

Wonder just how much Frank ****** gave the Cuban ?

[LHL]

Not a big one but Eduardo Escobedo Vs Ponce De Leon

The judges give it 113-115 , 111-117, 110-118

I was hoping for De Leon KO and was telling my brother how hard of a puncher he was. At the end of the fight he said "That De Leon has it all he looks a good boxer too" i informed him that was Escobedo :lol: I found it very hard to give De Leon a round in that fight. 111-117 to Escobedo would have been accurate imo.

[kosaros]

Danny Williams where the Turk/German promoter rang the bell to end the round a minute early to save his fighter

Plus all the other dodgy shit in that fight.

[LHL]

Emanuel Augustus has been in a few robberies. I had him winning the Figueora fight. Glen Johnson Vs Chad Dawson not a robbery but i had it close but clearly to Johnson. Havn't seen too many of their other robberies i have heard of

The biggest one of all Primo Carnera built up by the mob to get a huge beat down by Max

[mrplow182]

Ivan Drago was pushing, hitting on the break, throwing the referee out of the way and hitting after the bell against Creed....

How he got away with that is a mystery

[ishy]

Not a big one but Eduardo Escobedo Vs Ponce De Leon

The judges give it 113-115 , 111-117, 110-118

I was hoping for De Leon KO and was telling my brother how hard of a puncher he was. At the end of the fight he said "That De Leon has it all he looks a good boxer too" i informed him that was Escobedo :lol: I found it very hard to give De Leon a round in that fight. 111-117 to Escobedo would have been accurate imo.

Hatton-Mayweather undercard that was. I remember telling my mates to watch out for PDL as he can bang and then he went 12 rounds in a snoozefest :lol::lol:.

[bronze_bandit]

How about when JC Chavez scraped through with a draw against Pernell Whitaker...

[jonnytightlips]

Look at Roy jones against the Korean fella in the olympics the biggest robbery I have ever seen theres a video on youtube of the fight also there is another 5 minute video about the conspiricies involved in it

[LHL]

Hatton-Mayweather undercard that was. I remember telling my mates to watch out for PDL as he can bang and then he went 12 rounds in a snoozefest :lol::lol:.

Exact same thing happen with me. Got some shifty looks all night :lol:

[El Cepillo]

I'm trying to convince myself that Hamed was robbed against Barrera, and there is some big mind washing conspiracy going on.

[LHL]

Look at Roy jones against the Korean fella in the olympics the biggest robbery I have ever seen theres a video on youtube of the fight also there is another 5 minute video about the conspiricies involved in it

Anytime a home nation fighter wins the olympics its usually a robbery. Egan at the last one i thought won. Paddy barnes got a terrible score. I thought the chinese lad won but the scoring was a joke

[griff]

Anything from famous duckings (didn't Tyson once pay NOT to fight Lewis?)

Yes, Lewis stepped aside and let Evander Holyfield fight Tyson instead...a massive mistake for Lewis & Tyson.

[jonnytightlips]

Anytime a home nation fighter wins the olympics its usually a robbery. Egan at the last one i thought won. Paddy barnes got a terrible score. I thought the chinese lad won but the scoring was a joke
Agree with ya there mate i was telling my cousin a few months before the olympics that someone would get fucked in a final it was just my luck that it was egan

[JIM KELLY]

tyson v orlin norris

[Jimbo]

Emanuel Augustus has been in a few robberies. I had him winning the Figueora fight.

He's hit the deck pretty suspiciously as well.

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[LHL]

He's hit the deck pretty suspiciously as well.

9X2wPWMURJ4

:rofl Suspicious is a bit of an understatement

[Kid Lucky]

I got jobbed at a home show against a lad called Darren Williams from Ford ABC in 1988 - got it on video and still can't believe the decision. Had won 8 in a row and at reasonable level (not good, but reasonable) but didn't win another fight after this travesty not that I'm bitter......
Mumbles 'coulda been a contender' under breath.....

Jack Johnson shielding his eyes from the sun as he gets counted out v Willard might be a little better known.

[BoxingFanNo1]

Prescott-Khan.
The way I heard it ****** told Khan 'You won't fucking believe this my son but take a dive in the first and I can get you a fight with Barerra within 6 months'.

Khans in for a shock this weekend when ****** pulls him aside again and tells him:
'Need you to dive in the first boy, but you're not going to believe this, but 6 months from now Manny Pacquiao......'

j/k

[LHL]

:rofl Kahn should enter the Olympics for diving for the Prescott fight 10.0 from me :lol:

[kosaros]

Prescott-Khan.
The way I heard it ****** told Khan 'You won't fucking believe this my son but take a dive in the first and I can get you a fight with Barerra within 6 months'.

Khans in for a shock this weekend when ****** pulls him aside again and tells him:
'Need you to dive in the first boy, but you're not going to believe this, but 6 months from now Manny Pacquiao......'

j/k

Whats the point in fighting Pacquiao 6 months from now when Hatton will be the new 'p4p champion' :lol:

[Martbowski]

Cheers for all your help people :)

last favour - can anyone give me a very simple description of the Margarito loaded gloves incident? IE, exactly what he was accused of, and what became of it

[Gaz S]

Cheers for all your help people :)

last favour - can anyone give me a very simple description of the Margarito loaded gloves incident? IE, exactly what he was accused of, and what became of it


Simple explanation:
During the pre-fight preparations in the dressing room prior to the fight, Shane Mosley's trainer Nazim Richardson was on hand to witness Margarito's hands being wrapped. Apparently they were already wrapped before he got there and he demanded that they be wrapped again with him supervising (as is his right as a member of the opposing team).
He then noticed something unusually hard beneath the wraps. When team Maragarito were forced to unwrap, illegal pads were found in the knuckles.
Apparently they were wet with a foreign substance on them, and were allegedly blood stained too.
The pads were taken by an official, sealed in a bag and taken away for further analysis/inspection.

After the investigation was carried out, a panel from the California State Athletic Commission voted unanimously to revoke the license of Margarito's trainer, Javier Capetillo, who had been responsible for placing the inserts in the wraps, and banned Margarito from competing in the USA for a year.
Though Capetillo claimed he made a mistake simply by reaching for the wrong pads in his equipment bag, both he and Margarito claim Margarito had no knowledge of the inserted pads in his handwraps.

[Gaz S]

Oh, and speaking of the Margarito incident and boxing conspiracies, how can we not mention the Billy Collins-Luis Resto incident? One of the most galling, despicable things in the history of the sport.