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Picture this: Round 3 *ding ding* Khan throws a jab. MAB evades with head movement and throws a left hook to the body. Khan is noticeably distressed and drops his elbows. Barrera comes forward and throws the perfect 1-2 combination detonating on Khan's chin. Khan crumples to the canvas. He gets to his feet but is on wobbly legs. Barrera moves in for the kill unleashing a vicious combination on Khan's head. He stumbles to his feet on 10, but this time the ref actually does his job and waves his arms to signal the end of the fight.
""If he produces, then great; if not, then we would have to think about what to do. If he can't produce then maybe I would tell him to retire. If he won't, then I probably won't work with him any more." - Freddie Roach
Consider this:
- Khan is an Olympic silver medalist
- He has a lot of money
- He has many avenues outside boxing
- He will have been KO'd twice in three fights before fighting for a world title
Where does he go?
Decebal
03-12-2009, 04:02 PM
If he loses by KO like you described, he's in a bit of a pickle. It would be mad to retire him. He is very young and there's a lot of money to be made off him, with his fanbase and fame. He'll be matched carefully for 2 fights and then get another shot at a big name/interesting/challenging opponent...and so on and so forth. Khan is very exciting. Everyone is interested in his career. As long as he has the hunger to dust himself off and try again, he'll make good money and be a big draw. He's in no way rich enough already to retire and live together with all his big family like a prince...he'll keep fighting, but not because of the money, but because he wants to prove to himself he's got it within him to win a title. You'd be mad to bet against him on that...
I personally would bet against him winning a world title if he gets KO'd by this Barrera at lightweight.
It wouldn't leave him anywhere to go in my opinion. It would seem like the next loss is inevitable when he steps up in competition, I think he'd lose the publics confidence and then his popularity, particularly if everything is on PPV. The press would also be on his back.
But then a career at domestic level is kinda humiliating for a silver medalist who made so much money and had so much expecatation before even achieving anything.
And its not like he couldn't earn top dollars outside boxing.
LeadLeftHook
03-12-2009, 04:08 PM
If he loses, it depends on how he loses. If its a quick brutal quick KO like Prescott 6 months ago he should hang it up. The manner in which he was knocked out most fighters would have been mentally KOed from that as well.
Any other scenario, such as if he loses in a tough 12 round decision or gets KOed late in a close fight he should keep working at it as hes still young.
"TKO"
03-12-2009, 04:12 PM
Probably end up the next Ryan Rhodes, a once heavily hyped prospect for world honours who winds up making a living at a more realistic domestic/Commonwealth level. As you said though, could be kinda humiliating for a guy who seems to have a big of an ego so maybe he'll just retire and be a commentator or something. One 54 second KO might have been a fluke (doubt it), but losing to this Barrera who is not a natural 135lber and clearly on the down side of his career would surely preclude any serious chance of world honours.
BoxingFanNo1
03-12-2009, 04:15 PM
Probably end up the next Ryan Rhodes, a once heavily hyped prospect for world honours who winds up making a living at a more realistic domestic/Commonwealth level.
Beat me to it.
Decebal
03-12-2009, 04:19 PM
Probably end up the next Ryan Rhodes, a once heavily hyped prospect for world honours who winds up making a living at a more realistic domestic/Commonwealth level. As you said though, could be kinda humiliating for a guy who seems to have a big of an ego so maybe he'll just retire and be a commentator or something. One 54 second KO [b]might[b] have been a fluke (doubt it), but losing to this Barrera who is not a natural 135lber and clearly on the down side of his career would surely preclude any serious chance of world honours.
Nah, just because you get iced by a big puncher and get stopped by Barrera in your 20th fight aged 22 doesn't mean you'll never win a world title. It's not that hard to win a world title. It's hard to keep on defending it/unify it. Khan will get better and better in time. So what if it will take him the next 2 years to win a title...he'll be a 24 year-old champ...still one of the youngest. Great result.:good
(Just because he might not become an ATG as Roach is hoping doesn't mean that Khan cannot become a beltholder and have a decent and respectable career).
i don't think khan has any interest in being a domestic or even european level fighter. its world champ or nothing for him.
i think he will start from square 1 and get built back up, maybe at light welterweight.
Khan to me doesn't seem like a guy who will settle for been domestic/fringe Euro level at best.
If he looses to MAB he (and ******) will still try and convince us he can be a world champ. They may say the weight was an issue and Khan will move upto 140 and take a few soft touches.
When the inevitable stepup in class will come, Khan will get 'exposed' (hate that term) again. I doubt ****** will want to promote him then and Khan will retire with a tidy sum in the bank but an unfulfilled pro career.
i don't think khan has any interest in being a domestic or even european level fighter. its world champ or nothing for him.
i think he will start from square 1 and get built back up, maybe at light welterweight.
Beat me to it :D
Decebal
03-12-2009, 04:30 PM
Khan to me doesn't seem like a guy who will settle for been domestic/fringe Euro level at best.
If he looses to MAB he (and ******) will still try and convince us he can be a world champ. They may say the weight was an issue and Khan will move upto 140 and take a few soft touches.
When the inevitable stepup in class will come, Khan will get 'exposed' (hate that term) again. I doubt ****** will want to promote him then and Khan will retire with a tidy sum in the bank but an unfulfilled pro career.
No need for him to retire at all if he keeps trying and believing in himself. He could be the Tim Henman version of a boxer. Why would ****** say no to all that money he's making off Khan if people are willing to back him?
BamBam
03-12-2009, 04:36 PM
He'll get hyped up again and again every time he loses. He's young enough that he can probably get KO'ed 5-6-7 times (not an ideal scenario) and just wait around until a division gets weak enough for him to pick up a world strap.
To be honest I have a pain in my arse hearing about him already. He's never fought anyone and he's on PPV, again! The lad has achieved nothing of note to date but you never stop hearing about him. Thats mainly because of the idiots who have no interest in boxing who fork out for his PPV fights. Another hype job.
I hope MAB does a job on him. Because it will be hilarious watching ****** trying to justify the next PPV bill against some Puerto Rican window cleaner and hyping Khan as one of the best P4P prospects in the world.
I don't think he'll ever fuck off to be honest
No need for him to retire at all if he keeps trying and believing in himself. He could be the Tim Henman version of a boxer. Why would ****** say no to all that money he's making off Khan if people are willing to back him?
But how long will people put up with Khan? 1 loss, 2 losses but 3,4 or 5 losses? Sport fans are fickle folk and the public won't back Khan for much longer. Khan's hasn't got the fanatical following of Ricky Hatton (who has?) that will support him no matter what.
Agree with the Henman comparison :good.
scurlaruntings
03-12-2009, 04:40 PM
Get back in line and start again the right way. Khan is trying to run way before he can walk. The kids good but he aint THAT good.
stakeout
03-12-2009, 04:40 PM
I don't think there is any doubting Amir's hunger to succeed but he needs to wake up to the potential for exciting clashes at domestic level against the likes of Murray, Thaxton and a few others if he ever steps up to Lt-Welter. He is young enough to have the time to establish himself as the best at UK and European level before having to worry about world titles.
ninebar
03-12-2009, 04:44 PM
If Khan's got any serious ambition, he get's his head down and goes back to the drawing board. Frank Bruno didn't let any of his many disappointments stop him from finally capturing a World Crown, and neither did many other fighters who had to overcame adversity to win a World Title. It finally happened for Frank because he had the heart and the desire to win the Ultimate prize and he became relentless in his bid to finally achieve it.
Barrera is a massive test for Khan, even this version of MAB Should give Khan all he can handle, Khan though looks well prepared, and with Freddie Roach in his corner he has given himself every chance of pulling off the win.
Decebal
03-12-2009, 04:46 PM
But how long will people put up with Khan? 1 loss, 2 losses but 3,4 or 5 losses? Sport fans are fickle folk and the public won't back Khan for much longer. Khan's hasn't got the fanatical following of Ricky Hatton (who has?) that will support him no matter what.
Agree with the Henman comparison :good.
Well...remember that Khan can dish it out too! As long as it's likely he's gonna win by KO too, as was the case in all his last couple of fights, including this one, people WILL want to watch it. It's car crash TV at its finest. Khan could be like Berrio - either he KOs you or he gets KOed!:D Given that Khan always fights in an exciting, aggressive, positive manner...why would people not be interested? ****** will always be able to put a lot of others on the same PPV to justify the PPV cost...just like he does this time around...and if his fights are 50/50 affairs like this one...everyone will talk about them and be interested...just like we are now, even though he's been "exposed" by Limond (to a certain extent) and by Prescott ("brutally"), no? :think
:good
Decebal
03-12-2009, 04:47 PM
If Khan's got any serious ambition, he get's his head down and goes back to the drawing board. Frank Bruno didn't let any of his many disappointments stop him from finally capturing a World Crown, and neither did many other fighters who had to overcame adversity to win a World Title. It finally happened for Frank because he had the heart and the desire to win the Ultimate prize and he became relentless in his bid to finally achieve it.
Barrera is a massive test for Khan, even this version of MAB Should give Khan all he can handle, Khan though looks well prepared, and with Freddie Roach in his corner he has given himself every chance of pulling off the win.
:thumbsup
Claypole
03-12-2009, 04:51 PM
If getting utterly crushed by a novice earned Khan a fight with MAB, then getting beat by him should earn him a mega fight.
If Khan puts in a good losing effort, then his stock may well go up and he could get some good fights at world level. If this happens, then good luck to him.
If he gets completely obliterated like he did against Prescott, then it would probably be in his best interest to retire. I enjoyed the Prescott KO, and I will be rooting for a MAB stoppage victory, but I wouldn't wish any more on the lad.
Well...remember that Khan can dish it out too! As long as it's likely he's gonna win by KO too, as was the case in all his last couple of fights, including this one, people WILL want to watch it. It's car crash TV at its finest. Khan could be like Berrio - either he KOs you or he gets KOed!:D Given that Khan always fights in an exciting, aggressive, positive manner...why would people not be interested? ****** will always be able to put a lot of others on the same PPV to justify the PPV cost...just like he does this time around...and if his fights are 50/50 affairs like this one...everyone will talk about them and be interested...just like we are now, even though he's been "exposed" by Limond (to a certain extent) and by Prescott ("brutally"), no? :think
:good
Great points but Khan should be off PPV if he looses against Barrera IMO.
If Khan's got any serious ambition, he get's his head down and goes back to the drawing board. Frank Bruno didn't let any of his many disappointments stop him from finally capturing a World Crown, and neither did many other fighters who had to overcame adversity to win a World Title. It finally happened for Frank because he had the heart and the desire to win the Ultimate prize and he became relentless in his bid to finally achieve it.
Barrera is a massive test for Khan, even this version of MAB Should give Khan all he can handle, Khan though looks well prepared, and with Freddie Roach in his corner he has given himself every chance of pulling off the win.
This is why I believe a devastating loss could spell doom for Khan's ambitions of being a world champion.
Literally everything one could hope for is in his favour.
He's fighting a legend, however he has 70 odd fights, has fought for well over a decade in many wars.
Barrera is not a lightweight, his frame does not even look like a lightweights should.
He's at home.
He's got the best trainer in the world in his corner IMO, and has been in America for months. He's well under the Roach regime now, so no excuses there.
If this goes wrong he is really struggling. You have to be SERIOUSLY lucky to get an easier fight than this for a world title.
i think if he gets ko,he moves up to light Welterweight,where i think it will be easier for him to be guided to a world title.
i think if he gets ko,he moves up to light Welterweight,where i think it will be easier for him to be guided to a world title.
:huh
Really?
Claypole
03-12-2009, 04:57 PM
it will be easier for him to be guided to a world title.Or guided to the canvas a lot quicker?
Decebal
03-12-2009, 04:59 PM
Great points but Khan should be off PPV if he looses against Barrera IMO.
"Should" he even be on a PPV at all? I think not. But Frank thinks differently and he will do his best as usual! Ultimately, if the people buy it, why not? :conf
"Should" he even be on a PPV at all? I think not. But Frank thinks differently and he will do his best as usual! Ultimately, if the people buy it, why not? :conf
Exactly, if people buy it then ****** may as well put Khan on PPV's.
Hatton is the only PPV worth fighter in the UK. Haye hasn't the name yet and Calzaghe has retired.
If he loses people will not buy it. I think the only reason this one may do okay is because he's fighting Barrera and it sells, particularly with Barrera's history. It's easy to give this a big buildup.
If he gets KO'd again and then has to take a backwards step in his next fight the viewing figures will suffer. There is only so long you can take the piss out of people.
If he loses people will not buy it. I think the only reason this one may do okay is because he's fighting Barrera and it sells, particularly with Barrera's history. It's easy to give this a big buildup.
If he gets KO'd again and then has to take a backwards step in his next fight the viewing figures will suffer. There is only so long you can take the piss out of people.
:deal
ninebar
03-12-2009, 05:05 PM
This is why I believe a devastating loss could spell doom for Khan's ambitions of being a world champion.
Literally everything one could hope for is in his favour.
He's fighting a legend, however he has 70 odd fights, has fought for well over a decade in many wars.
Barrera is not a lightweight, his frame does not even look like a lightweights should.
He's at home.
He's got the best trainer in the world in his corner IMO, and has been in America for months. He's well under the Roach regime now, so no excuses there.
If this goes wrong he is really struggling. You have to be SERIOUSLY lucky to get an easier fight than this for a world title.
One thing going against Khan is that he really needs to win!
i think if he gets ko,he moves up to light Welterweight,where i think it will be easier for him to be guided to a world title.
Bad division to be moving up to for Khan
Hatton
Pacquiao
Marquez (Probably)
Bradley
Campbell
Holt
Torres
Kotelnik
Urango
Ortiz
There's ten reasons why staying at Lightweight would be a good idea.
That one always amazes me. How are you gonna put a fighter you know has a weak chin with bigger men that punch harder?
Beasts like Urango and Ortiz at that? Tim Bradley that wasn't even worried about Witter's punches when he came forward what are Khan's pitter pats going to do? Campbell who is Khan's worst stylistic nightmare?
No, I think whatever slim chances Khan has of a world title, or at least getting an easy route somewhere along the line...they are at 135.
Decebal
03-12-2009, 05:11 PM
If he loses people will not buy it. I think the only reason this one may do okay is because he's fighting Barrera and it sells, particularly with Barrera's history. It's easy to give this a big buildup.
If he gets KO'd again and then has to take a backwards step in his next fight the viewing figures will suffer. There is only so long you can take the piss out of people.
Khan won't have to be on PPV every single time to make good money and continue to remain a cashcow for ******, though...;)...ITV will pay well to have him prime time and 20k people will pay to see him in the flesh too! What's wrong with that? Hardly a reason to retire...
The thing is...even if ****** doesn't believe in him anymore if he loses to Barrera, as long as the kid himself continues to want it badly and try hard to get it, as he's been doing so far...there's no reason to stop the gravy train in its tracks, especially if people are going to continue paying an interest (even if that interest doesn't amount to PPV status).
Agreed.
But it will be the end of the PPV milkrun I would think. Certainly it would be for me if I was Khan's manager. We'd all take the piss and rake the money in while we can, but I can't see any viable way to sustain that after 2 KO defeats in 3. That loses peoples confidence in getting value for money.
Hell I'd take him off PPV out of morals.
Decebal
03-12-2009, 05:13 PM
One thing going against Khan is that he really needs to win!
Bad division to be moving up to for Khan
Hatton
Pacquiao
Marquez (Probably)
Bradley
Campbell
Holt
Torres
Kotelnik
Urango
Ortiz
There's ten reasons why staying at Lightweight would be a good idea.
:good
Pug1list
03-12-2009, 05:19 PM
Well it doesn't exactly help punch resistance when you struggle to make weight, and as someone else mentioned if Khan lands the first blows in a fight, he has as much chance as stopping the opponent, as the opponent would landing on his weak chin.
Well it doesn't exactly help punch resistance when you struggle to make weight, and as someone else mentioned if Khan lands the first blows in a fight, he has as much chance as stopping the opponent, as the opponent would landing on his weak chin.
Khan does not have one punch KO power. He has not yet scored a clean KO.
Are you suggesting he has devastating power?
He's an arm puncher. He barely has proper punch technique and relies on flurrying people into the ropes and hoping for the ref to jump in. He might have great chances of knocking out Oisin Fagan's early but against proper fighters he has to wear them down. His opponents can knock him out with one punch.
Did anybody watch Khan/Barrera countdown?
Khan's physio guy confused me. He said they think Khan is small up top and has big legs?? Was he getting confused or do they truely believe this?
Did anybody watch Khan/Barrera countdown?
Khan's physio guy confused me. He said they think Khan is small up top and has big legs?? Was he getting confused or do they truely believe this?
Was this in part 2? Haven't watched that yet.
Danny
03-12-2009, 05:32 PM
Whether he loses by KO, TKO or decision, it would be another loss on his career, the second in a three bout period. I'm not sure what direction his career would take, but you could forget about being a world champion anytime soon.
MAB is a great fighter, but he's 35, is not a LW by any means, has been a pro for 20 years, so if Khan loses he will not be allowed anywhere near the elite guys.
Freddy Roach seems like a guy who tells it as he sees it so if Amir were to lose, I wouldn't be surprised if Roach advised Khan is some sort of way in respect of his future!
If Khan is KO'd then that's truly the worst type of outcome for him. He certainly would not be on Box-Office thereafter. ****** would be left stunned. He shouldn't even be on box-office anyway. The guys not even a world champion!
DOM5153
03-12-2009, 05:50 PM
i would suggest moving up to light welter, i feel he can put the bulk on his legs it might improve his punch resistance
crazylunatic44
03-12-2009, 06:06 PM
Did anybody watch Khan/Barrera countdown?
Khan's physio guy confused me. He said they think Khan is small up top and has big legs?? Was he getting confused or do they truely believe this?
hes saying theyve toned his upper body down and made his legs stronger so his legs wont give so easy when he gets taged in theory anyway
Claypole
03-12-2009, 06:11 PM
so his legs wont give so easy when he gets taged in theory anywayIt could just mean he ends up out on his feet rather than dropping to the canvas.
He would lose all shortcut privileges that his olympic medal earned him and go back to below british title level. Don't forget he still has a contract with sky to fulfil so he'd end up doing 2nd fights on undercards cards and either work his way up the long way or become a journeyman.
DOM5153
03-12-2009, 06:24 PM
one thing i have noticed is his upper body strength is usually fine when hes KD but moving up in weight and concentrating soley on his leg strength and neck strength his chin could be improved vastly
crazylunatic44
03-12-2009, 06:29 PM
It could just mean he ends up out on his feet rather than dropping to the canvas.
i agree but thats the reasoning behind it there making out theyve found a miracle cure for a bad chin
Going up in weight never helped Tommy Hearns chin. Everytime he was hit at middleweight he seemed to be hurt, and of course Tommy's chin is still several leagues above Khan's.
Bigger men punch harder, it really does offset putting muscle on your neck.
DOM5153
03-12-2009, 06:55 PM
im just saying it could do if he put weight on in the right places
Pug1list
03-12-2009, 06:59 PM
I haven't seen any of the early stoppages Khan has received, they have been warranted in my opinion.
surreal deal
03-12-2009, 07:05 PM
Nah, just because you get iced by a big puncher and get stopped by Barrera in your 20th fight aged 22 doesn't mean you'll never win a world title. It's not that hard to win a world title. It's hard to keep on defending it/unify it. Khan will get better and better in time. So what if it will take him the next 2 years to win a title...he'll be a 24 year-old champ...still one of the youngest. Great result.:good
(Just because he might not become an ATG as Roach is hoping doesn't mean that Khan cannot become a beltholder and have a decent and respectable career).
Weird.I think thats a great post in reply to another great post,yet you two disagree.:think
Im confused now.:nut
DOM5153
03-12-2009, 07:12 PM
I haven't seen any of the early stoppages Khan has received, they have been warranted in my opinion.
exactly, if he was to put more body weight int those punches he would be devastating
Carnage
03-12-2009, 07:22 PM
Yup definatly depends on the manner of the loss. Another Prescott'esque loss, then he is not cut out for the top, stay at domestic level, another one. If however he wins, Juan Manual Marquez?!?!??!
izmat
03-12-2009, 07:34 PM
I don't think its going to happen.
Khan will prove alot of ppl wrong !
abzmanc
03-12-2009, 08:02 PM
ooooooooohhh I cant wait!!!
JIM KELLY
03-12-2009, 08:24 PM
becomes a jawaid khaliq..lol
JIM KELLY
03-12-2009, 08:27 PM
2 loses within 12 months is a bad look for a supposed top prospect!
This fight should redeem Khan into the big league. We shall fidn out mannana.
Darni187
03-13-2009, 04:31 AM
Picture this Khan knocks MAB out cold in the 3rd round, via a crazy fast combo :dead
Boxing world goes mad.
"TKO"
03-13-2009, 05:01 AM
Nah, just because you get iced by a big puncher and get stopped by Barrera in your 20th fight aged 22 doesn't mean you'll never win a world title. It's not that hard to win a world title. It's hard to keep on defending it/unify it. Khan will get better and better in time. So what if it will take him the next 2 years to win a title...he'll be a 24 year-old champ...still one of the youngest. Great result.:good
(Just because he might not become an ATG as Roach is hoping doesn't mean that Khan cannot become a beltholder and have a decent and respectable career).
Hmm... have to respectfully disagree. I have to question whether Prescott is actually that big of a puncher in world terms to start with. I know he has an impressive looking KO record, but hasn't fought anyone of note besides Khan. In his fight after Khan, he won a ten round DQ over a guy Lamont Peterson had previous blown out inside a round and Humberto Soto inside 3. I think two stoppage defeats inside 21 fights is going to be very difficult to come back from, especially when neither of them were to guys who were part of the division's top echelon.
At best, he might be able to pick up a paper belt (WBU/WBO if he gets lucky and gets an Alex Arthur style title shot. But if he gets stopped by Barrera, bearing in mind the Prescott loss and vulnerable moments against Gomez and Limond, I would have to say there's no chance he can hang with the division's elite. Guys like Marquez, Casamayor, Katsidis, any of the Diaz pack I have to believe would demolish him. If that happens, I have to say a career at a lower level, with maybe a minor league belt if lucky will be all he would aspire to. Maybe he can improve his skills, but I can't think of a fighter who has been done much good by two early knockout losses.
Anyway, let''s wait and see how he does against Barrera then discuss it :good
Lee Mc
03-13-2009, 05:04 AM
If Khan loses I think he should carry on but in a very different direction and manner.
I think he should re-locate to the US and fight on a few undercards over there away from the media hype of this country. After 10 fights or so against decent opposition come back and fight for the British or Commonwealth title and then take it from there...
brown bomber
03-13-2009, 05:08 AM
If Khan loses I think he should carry on but in a very different direction and manner.
I think he should re-locate to the US and fight on a few undercards over there away from the media hype of this country. After 10 fights or so against decent opposition come back and fight for the British or Commonwealth title and then take it from there...Good call Lee, if he loses he must get out of the public eye.
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