Can Jorge Linares beat Juan Manuel Marquez if they fight now? [Archive]

ko factor

08-21-2007, 01:23 PM

Linares is one of the hottest prospects in the featherweight division right now after his destruction of Oscar Larios. Do you think he is capable of beating the big guys like Jmm at this point of his career?

BobDigi5060

08-21-2007, 01:28 PM

Just too soon. If you're a Linares fan or team member.. Its not something that you would want to find out.

LogDog69

08-21-2007, 01:34 PM

I think he can. With almost all prospects you can find at least one flaw but I just can't see one in Linares. I really think he's going to go a long way.

brooklyn1550

08-21-2007, 01:48 PM

No, maybe in 2 years or so, but Juan Manuel Marquez is technically better and way more experienced.

ko factor

08-21-2007, 04:11 PM

No, maybe in 2 years or so, but Juan Manuel Marquez is technically better and way more experienced.I agree, he needs to fight Chris John & Alex Arthur first.

Jack

08-21-2007, 04:13 PM

I wouldn't completely write it off, but wouldn't bet on it either. Linares may well be good enough already, but needs a test to prove himself at that level first.

Boom_Boom

08-21-2007, 04:35 PM

I agree, he needs to fight Chris John & Alex Arthur first.

Alex Arthur is not in the picture other than with Joan Guzman

Hawks28

08-21-2007, 04:41 PM

I was very impressed with him against Larios, that was the first time I saw him fight. I wouldnt put him in there with JMM right now. I think he should defend his belt a couple of times, then see where hes at. He is still very young(turns 22 tomorrow). He might be ready for JMM in late 08 or sometime in 09.

BigEars

08-21-2007, 05:37 PM

I think he can. With almost all prospects you can find at least one flaw but I just can't see one in Linares. I really think he's going to go a long way.

Okay for a prospect of his age he is great but no flaw ? , I can give you two . 1. he is way to easy to back up and be forced to the ropes and 2. his defense isn't great and he can be hit quite easily .

Job

12-16-2007, 02:35 PM

He would give Marquez a tough fight but I don't think he's ready for it yet, but I think Linares will be on top of the heap in a couple of years.

But my answer is no.

Amsterdam

12-16-2007, 02:40 PM

:-( :-( :-( :-(

brooklyn1550

12-16-2007, 02:41 PM

I actually wouldn't mind seeing Linares-Juarez. But that fight wont happen since Juarez blew his last 3 chances at a title.

Amsterdam

12-16-2007, 02:44 PM

I actually wouldn't mind seeing Linares-Juarez. But that fight wont happen since Juarez blew his last 3 chances at a title.

Jaurez would beat him in my opinion, the pressure would get to Linares, who doesn't have the punch to keep him off as Juarez's chin is one of the best around.

Juarez is not bad at all, he's just been thrown into wolves and hasn't come out successful because he's not on the elite level. Linares also is not on the elite level.

Jason997

12-16-2007, 04:11 PM

Nah, he whips Juarez, but Marquez is too crafty and experienced right now.

- Jason

sues2nd

12-16-2007, 04:13 PM

Jaurez would beat him in my opinion, the pressure would get to Linares, who doesn't have the punch to keep him off as Juarez's chin is one of the best around.

Juarez is not bad at all, he's just been thrown into wolves and hasn't come out successful because he's not on the elite level. Linares also is not on the elite level.

Juarez? JUAREZ Am?

:-(

I agree he is not on JMM's level....but JUAREZ!!!!???

Amsterdam

12-16-2007, 04:51 PM

Juarez? JUAREZ Am?

:-(

I agree he is not on JMM's level....but JUAREZ!!!!???

Didn't you see the sloppy Diaz buzz him last night?

sues2nd

12-16-2007, 05:19 PM

Didn't you see the sloppy Diaz buzz him last night?

Juarez is too easily hit and slow. He would get killed coming in. Linares handspeed is WAAAAY too fast for a fighter like that.

Carlos Primera

12-16-2007, 06:18 PM

JMM whips him right now. juarez would be a tough test the waters fight at 130, as he's a durable guy and has very good power.

JMotrain

12-16-2007, 06:55 PM

JMotrain

12-16-2007, 07:02 PM

Other people brought up Juarez, I think it's dumb for anyone to think Rocky could beat Jorge.

Jason997

12-16-2007, 07:04 PM

Well it is Amsterdam. He doesn't like the way Linares has a lot of early fans while his pet fighters have almost no hype. So he refuses to see Linares with open eyes.

Symphenyceo

12-16-2007, 07:12 PM

psychopath

12-16-2007, 07:51 PM

It's gonna be a tough fight, 65% JMM and 35% Linares chance of winning.

Amsterdam

12-16-2007, 07:57 PM

It's gonna be a tough fight, 65% JMM and 35% Linares chance of winning.

It's 90% JMM actually.

Linares lacks the defence and what I presume to be chin to defeat Juarez, but that's not a definite, just a hunch on my part from what I have seen. Linares is overrated.

I'd be extremely confident that JMM KO's Linares in 5 or less.

Amsterdam

12-16-2007, 07:58 PM

I'd take JMM right now, but Linares would whip the shit out of Juarez. Soto who I don't think is as good as Linares beat the shit out of Juarez, and they are both stick and move boxer punchers, I think Linares speed and technical savvy would be too much for Juarez.

Soto has better power, defence, reach, height and chin, Linares has more speed but it'd be useless against Soto's solid jab.

chimba

12-16-2007, 07:59 PM

Amsterdam

12-16-2007, 08:02 PM

You must be on crack... Soto, JMM, and MAB were not able to hurt him what makes you think someone with less power and less skill will be able to do so?

I'm glad that sensible boxing fans are still around.:good

Amsterdam

12-16-2007, 08:12 PM

Because his right hand is straighter than any of those guys and he has as much power to do so.. On top of that, he has that reach. Rocky is a slow plodder and Linares, who has an underrated footwork ,would take advantage of that by moving in and out in angles and catching him with blind punches.

His right hand is not straight, quicker, or more powerful than JMM's and his timing is not even in the same stratosphere.

I think most knowledgable posters will agree that JMM's right hand is vastly superior. Linares' defence and head movement isn't as good as JMM's either, nor is his timing and delivery.

It's futile to compare a great fighter to nothing more than a good fighter.

psychopath

12-16-2007, 08:17 PM

It's 90% JMM actually.

Linares lacks the defence and what I presume to be chin to defeat Juarez, but that's not a definite, just a hunch on my part from what I have seen. Linares is overrated.

I'd be extremely confident that JMM KO's Linares in 5 or less.

Well we must consider the age factor too. Accuracy and skills definitely goes to JMM but the younger Linarez is capable of giving JMM a very tough competition.

When you give him only 10% chance, that's almost no chance at all. :D

Amsterdam

12-16-2007, 08:21 PM

Well we must consider the age factor too. Accuracy and skills definitely goes to JMM but the younger Linarez is capable of giving JMM a very tough competition.

When you give him only 10% chance, that's almost no chance at all. :D

But JMM looked sharp against Juarez, his timing and speed is still very good and still of elite quality.

After seeing Linares stunned by Diaz, I'm imaging what an experienced puncher like JMM will do with those straight right hands and crushing uppercuts. A competitive breaking down of Larrios is not even in the same universe as facing JMM.

So yes, I give him almost no chance at all, Linares is simply not that good, he's vastly overrated and when he gets destroyed all of the people who acted like he was the next big thing just because he broke down a fading 'recognisable name' in Larrios will act like they didn't think much of him and act like it was no big deal at all.

What is the deal with Jorge Linares? There are so much better examples of talent that deserve more praise and hype.

psychopath

12-16-2007, 08:31 PM

But JMM looked sharp against Juarez, his timing and speed is still very good and still of elite quality.

After seeing Linares stunned by Diaz, I'm imaging what an experienced puncher like JMM will do with those straight right hands and crushing uppercuts. A competitive breaking down of Larrios is not even in the same universe as facing JMM.

So yes, I give him almost no chance at all, Linares is simply not that good, he's vastly overrated and when he gets destroyed all of the people who acted like he was the next big thing just because he broke down a fading 'recognisable name' in Larrios will act like they didn't think much of him and act like it was no big deal at all.

What is the deal with Jorge Linares? There are so much better examples of talent that deserve more praise and hype.

I'm not praising Linares, I'm just giving him respect and a better fighting chance. 35% chance of winning means I'm treating him as just a regular fighter and not an exceptional one. :D :yep

Amsterdam

12-16-2007, 08:33 PM

I'm not praising Linares, I'm just giving him respect and a better fighting chance. 35% chance of winning means I'm treating him as just a regular fighter and not an exceptional one. :D :yep

Okay, well it all depends on how you rate the percentage and chance, if 35% is only a small, small chance to you then it makes sense. To me, 35% means an outside chance, 10% means a very slim to none chance.

What chance did you give Hatton vs. Floyd, that'll give me a better picture for how you are gauging this. I gave Hatton as much chance as I give Linares, 10%.

psychopath

12-16-2007, 08:37 PM

Okay, well it all depends on how you rate the percentage and chance, if 35% is only a small, small chance to you then it makes sense. To me, 35% means an outside chance, 10% means a very slim to none chance.

What chance did you give Hatton vs. Floyd, that'll give me a better picture for how you are gauging this. I gave Hatton as much chance as I give Linares, 10%.

On PBF/Hatton I saw it as 60/40 for PBF.:yep

Amsterdam

12-16-2007, 08:40 PM

On PBF/Hatton I saw it as 60/40 for PBF.:yep

Okay, well in that case, 35% Linares on your percentage viewpoint is reasonable.:good

psychopath

12-16-2007, 08:41 PM

Okay, well in that case, 35% Linares on your percentage viewpoint is reasonable.:good

On the Taylor/PAV first fight I saw that as 50/50. Now it's 65/35 for Pav. :D

Carlos Primera

12-16-2007, 08:42 PM

What is the deal with Jorge Linares? There are so much better examples of talent that deserve more praise and hype.
i usually agree with some of your posts, but you have to admit linares is a pretty good fighter with upside. at age 22 he's much better than supposed prospects in the same age bracket such as the likes of khan and berto.

Amsterdam

12-16-2007, 08:46 PM

i usually agree with some of your posts, but you have to admit linares is a pretty good fighter with upside. at age 22 he's much better than supposed prospects in the same age bracket such as the likes of khan and berto.

I consider Khan and Berto as nothing however, to be better than them is a necessity if you even want to be a serious contender.

Linares being a serious contender? I could see this absolutely.

Linares heralded as 'the future, the truth, a future ATG'. Fuck off.

Carlos Primera

12-16-2007, 08:55 PM

Linares heralded as 'the future, the truth, a future ATG'. Fuck off.
i agree thats preposterous to say so early, and the ones saying so in the other thread have gone over board with that claim. he's just a good fighter for now.

Amsterdam

12-16-2007, 08:58 PM

i agree thats preposterous to say so early, and the ones saying so in the other thread have gone over board with that claim. he's just a good fighter for now.

And if he got KTFO by some bum in his next fight, they'd all act like they didn't overrate him, acting as if it was no big deal, I personally find that annoying.

I can come off as a prick to some, but if I am incorrect, I will man up to it and seek to find out why I was wrong and learn from the guys who got it right, the ignorant ends won't.

Carlos Primera

12-16-2007, 09:05 PM

And if he got KTFO by some bum in his next fight, they'd all act like they didn't overrate him, acting as if it was no big deal, I personally find that annoying.
:lol: ah yes, as was the case of the jermaine taylor situation. the guns of his backers have fallen silent after that night in october.

Amsterdam

12-16-2007, 09:09 PM

:lol: ah yes, as was the case of the jermaine taylor situation. the guns of his backers have fallen silent after that night in october.

I had on that fight for Pavlik by KO -

- 1,000$

- 6 months off the board

- 6 months avatar/sig bet when I returned

- After all the shit I talked, I'd have eaten crow so large that I couldn't even discuss boxing on here anymore when I returned.

But, I would have owned up to it all and it was fun.:yep

RafaelGonzal

12-16-2007, 11:11 PM

May be competitive now but he is still too young for that class right now. I would give him a bit more seasoning before I took on those type fights. I would move him againts better comp and in about 2 years start going for the elite level. The question with Linares for me is his chin does he have a good chin and can he physically stand up to punishment, the physical stamina to trade in a slugfest.