*Update* The P4P top 10 worst chins among known fighters list.

[Amsterdam]

August, 2007:



1. Jaidon Codrington - Everyone knows what happened vs. Allan Green, this kid may very well have the worst chin among known fighters that we have seen in years. Recently, he nearly got taken out by a 14-16 tomato can and look for him to be removed accordingly as soon as he steps past the tomato can level. It is doubtful that any fighter could be ranked over Jaidon this year, even the famous Fraudley Harrison.

2. Fraudley Harrison - Truthfully, no explanation is needed, but since many non-chin checkers actually defend these types, an explanation will be provided...
When Fraudley was coming up he was overhyped and overpaid due to Olympic success, he was however frequently rocked by light hitting tomato cans, he fought overly tenatative when stepping up to the journeyman level and when he finally fought aggressively against a mediocre hitting journeyman in Sprott, he got laid out flat. Since he was brutally KTFO by a totally average hitter, and since the effect was so damned beautiful for all of us who take the time to check chins, Fraudley gets a number 2 ranking on our list STILL.

3. Delvin Rodriguez - Getting KTFO by a light hitting, punchy journeyman in Jesse Felciano is about as bad as it gets... this kid has some decent skills, but his chin may very well rival Jaidon Codrington in the grand scheme of things.

4. Jason Litzau - Back in 2005 this kid was nearly stopped by a light hitting journeyman, the public defended him because he was entertaining, in December 2006 he was KTFO straight by a mediocre hitting journeyman. There may be worse examples, but his obnoxious personality and the wonderful effect of him getting KOed by Hernandez has Litzau at number 4.... well deserved I might add as he has awful punch resistance.

5. Rey Bautista - A hype job obliterated in a single round against his first test, brought along a bit too soon maybe, but he won't be doing much with that fragile jaw he's sporting. Look for him to get starched again if they build him back up and then take another risk.


6. Hasim Rahman - Here is a fighter who has been sparked more times than any ranked Heavyweight. The ONLY thing that keeps him out of the top 5 is the fact that he's always sparked by decent-good fighters at least, where these others get sparked by nobodies. Rahman was recently rocked by Taurus Sykes.... if that's how he's going to take a shot for the rest of the year, then he may very well enter the top 3.

7. Cornelius Bundrage - K-9 getting KTFO in round 1 vs. the light hitting Sechew Powell is pretty damn nice.:lol:
And it happened again, albeit against a decent Welterweight puncher, so he's not moving up just yet and his career may be over.

8. Mike Anchondo - One can forgive Mighty Mike getting stopped by a very heavy handed Jorge Barrios, but it seems his punch resistance has degraded since then as an average hitting fringe contender KOed him flat in the 3rd round in his last outing. Awful.

9. Alejandro Berrio - To be absolutley fair, Berrio is a legitimate contender and is not a joke by any means, he also carries 1 punch KO power and will fight anybody at anytime. However, his one glaring weakness is a weak chin, seeing as he's been starched in all 4 of his losses. The only reason he's not up higher is because all 4 of those guys have respectable punching power, unlike some of the jokes above who have been starched by mediocre and light hitters.

10. Felix Sturm - I am still going to hold being KOed by Castiellejo over Sturm's head and I believe that this joke will be rise up in the list, in turn showing his true jaw to the masses once he faces and gets annihilated by a real MW hitter, or even a LMW hitter for that matter.

[pioterbezkitu]

Nothing more to expect from a guy with THE ALL MIGHTY SLAPPER in avatar.

[Danny Ocean]

poor list

[Amsterdam]

poor list

What did I miss?

[rr94]

Nothing more to expect from a guy with THE ALL MIGHTY SLAPPER in avatar.



:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[rr94]

What did I miss?

not that u missed anything, you're just ignorant

[A-50]

No Amir Khan? No Roy Jones Jr? LOL :patsch :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Danny Ocean]

What did I miss?+

having sturm and bautista is stupid

[Stewbear]

1. Roy Jones
2. Mundine
3. Hide

[Amsterdam]

+

having sturm and bautista is stupid

Sorry, but Bautista was knocked silly in the 1st round, he also had exhibited chin issue's before that and Ponce was just an exclamation of that.

Sturm deserves to be there and it will show in the future.

...

Btw, A-50 -

Khan has yet to be 'officially' starched and Jones is an ATG who doesn't belong on any poor chin list.

[Amsterdam]

not that u missed anything, you're just ignorant

Ignorant for knowing how to correctly gauge punch resistance to the point of calling them at a perfect success ratio?

[CASH_718]

August, 2007:



1. Jaidon Codrington - Everyone knows what happened vs. Allan Green, this kid may very well have the worst chin among known fighters that we have seen in years. Recently, he nearly got taken out by a 14-16 tomato can and look for him to be removed accordingly as soon as he steps past the tomato can level. It is doubtful that any fighter could be ranked over Jaidon this year, even the famous Fraudley Harrison.

2. Fraudley Harrison - Truthfully, no explanation is needed, but since many non-chin checkers actually defend these types, an explanation will be provided...
When Fraudley was coming up he was overhyped and overpaid due to Olympic success, he was however frequently rocked by light hitting tomato cans, he fought overly tenatative when stepping up to the journeyman level and when he finally fought aggressively against a mediocre hitting journeyman in Sprott, he got laid out flat. Since he was brutally KTFO by a totally average hitter, and since the effect was so damned beautiful for all of us who take the time to check chins, Fraudley gets a number 2 ranking on our list STILL.

3. Delvin Rodriguez - Getting KTFO by a light hitting, punchy journeyman in Jesse Felciano is about as bad as it gets... this kid has some decent skills, but his chin may very well rival Jaidon Codrington in the grand scheme of things.

4. Jason Litzau - Back in 2005 this kid was nearly stopped by a light hitting journeyman, the public defended him because he was entertaining, in December 2006 he was KTFO straight by a mediocre hitting journeyman. There may be worse examples, but his obnoxious personality and the wonderful effect of him getting KOed by Hernandez has Litzau at number 4.... well deserved I might add as he has awful punch resistance.

5. Rey Bautista - A hype job obliterated in a single round against his first test, brought along a bit too soon maybe, but he won't be doing much with that fragile jaw he's sporting. Look for him to get starched again if they build him back up and then take another risk.


6. Hasim Rahman - Here is a fighter who has been sparked more times than any ranked Heavyweight. The ONLY thing that keeps him out of the top 5 is the fact that he's always sparked by decent-good fighters at least, where these others get sparked by nobodies. Rahman was recently rocked by Taurus Sykes.... if that's how he's going to take a shot for the rest of the year, then he may very well enter the top 3.

7. Cornelius Bundrage - K-9 getting KTFO in round 1 vs. the light hitting Sechew Powell is pretty damn nice.:lol:
And it happened again, albeit against a decent Welterweight puncher, so he's not moving up just yet and his career may be over.

8. Mike Anchondo - One can forgive Mighty Mike getting stopped by a very heavy handed Jorge Barrios, but it seems his punch resistance has degraded since then as an average hitting fringe contender KOed him flat in the 3rd round in his last outing. Awful.

9. Alejandro Berrio - To be absolutley fair, Berrio is a legitimate contender and is not a joke by any means, he also carries 1 punch KO power and will fight anybody at anytime. However, his one glaring weakness is a weak chin, seeing as he's been starched in all 4 of his losses. The only reason he's not up higher is because all 4 of those guys have respectable punching power, unlike some of the jokes above who have been starched by mediocre and light hitters.

10. Felix Sturm - I am still going to hold being KOed by Castiellejo over Sturm's head and I believe that this joke will be rise up in the list, in turn showing his true jaw to the masses once he faces and gets annihilated by a real MW hitter, or even a LMW hitter for that matter.You really have way to much time on your hands to too little a brain.

[Zakman]

Excellent analysis. I would put Fraudley at #1 and Rahman a little higher and probably throw Kahn in there in place of Sturm - but you've got all the classic china chins among active rated fighters identified. Good work, Chinchecker!! :good

[CASH_718]

Sorry, but Bautista was knocked silly in the 1st round, he also had exhibited chin issue's before that and Ponce was just an exclamation of that.

Sturm deserves to be there and it will show in the future.

...

Btw, A-50 -

Khan has yet to be 'officially' starched and Jones is an ATG who doesn't belong on any poor chin list.So??? He got laid out by Tarver who's an above average puncher and Glen Johnson who a below average puncher.

[A-50]

Excellent analysis. I would put Fraudley at #1 and Rahman a little higher and probably throw Kahn in there in place of Sturm - but you've got all the classic china chins among active rated fighters identified. Good work, Chinchecker!! :good



Zakman,

is Sturm's chin that bad? I have not seen him enough to notice, just know he went the distance with DLH.

[Brickhaus]

A few notes:

- Among heavies who are former titlists, I'd probably put Oleg Maskaev ahead of Rahman. Sure, he's survived some big punchers, but to be fair, so has Rahman. Maskaev, on the other hand, was KTFO by Goofi Whitaker and Kirk Johnson, neither of whom are big punchers. Among 'known' heavies, Zuri Lawrence HAS to be much worse than either of those guys, getting KOed by Dominic Guinn, Sultan Ibragamov (who's not the puncher some of the Euros on this board make him out to be) and Calvin Brock (who's not the puncher some of the Americans on this board make him out to be). Fraudley's ahead of either of those guys, but Zuri's definately ahead of Rahman, and Maskaev is just about even with him. Heck, if Wlad and Rahman had a contest where each just got free hits in the chin, I'd bet Wlad would go down first, he just keeps people away from his chin with that jab these days.

- No Herbie Hide? He's still active y'know, and fancies himself a cruiserweight contender. He would need to be at least #3, if not #1.

- What about Anthony Mundine? You can't really tell me that getting KOed by Castellejo is worse than getting KOed by Ottke? Also, how many other times has Sturm been on his butt in his career? Did you even see Castellejo's KO of Sturm? I personally think this one is a bad choice.

- No Amir Khan anymore? He did get knocked down by a weak-hitting journeyman...

[sues2nd]

So??? He got laid out by Tarver who's an above average puncher and Glen Johnson who a below average puncher.

I wouldnt quite call Johnson's power BELOW average. Average yes...but he has some pop, albeit he wears you down...but below average is a bit harsh in this case.

[kg0208]

So??? He got laid out by Tarver who's an above average puncher and Glen Johnson who a below average puncher.

Ummm..Tarver was ALWAYS known as a big punching LHW. He is not that great a boxer.

Besides, Jones getting KO'd in his prime would have been signifigant....mid 30's? No one but guys who hate him bring it up.

[CASH_718]

Ummm..Tarver was ALWAYS known as a big punching LHW. He is not that great a boxer.

Besides, Jones getting KO'd in his prime would have been signifigant....mid 30's? No one but guys who hate him bring it up.Two fights before the second Tarver fight he looked amazing and the fight before that and before that and before that.

[rr94]

Ignorant for knowing how to correctly gauge punch resistance to the point of calling them at a perfect success ratio?

Your comment makes no sense. Correctly gauging punch resistance to the point of calling them at a perfect success ratio? You're a fucking high school dropout trying to sound smart.

You gauged punch resistance based upon single events on a given night against a given opponent and ranked them accordingly in your "top-10" worst P4P top-10 chin's. Which in and of itself makes no sense. There are no P4P WORST, it makes no sense.

Delvin Rodriguez and Rey Bautista are young prospects, and many young prospects get starched early in their career. Shit, it happened the Pacquiao.

You're just an idiot. Thats the sport, it happens. I don't think either necessarily have a bad chin, and if you've been in the ring i think you'd understand that and show some respect.

[Amsterdam]

Your comment makes no sense. Correctly gauging punch resistance to the point of calling them at a perfect success ratio? You're a fucking high school dropout trying to sound smart.

I'm doing my best to come across crystal clear and I am a highschool level dropout, though from Switzerland, not the United States, in which English is a langauge that I am proficient in, but mistakes come around here and there.

What I meant is that everytime I call that a hype job or china chinned fighter is going to get starched, it happens. Bautista was the most recent, most people were arguing that he has a good chance, I stood by the call that he was going to get starched in a few rounds, but his chin even surprised me a little, seeing that he couldn't make it out of the first. But there are countless others and after they are KOed, boxing fans act like they never saw anything in them to begin with, when many were high on them.

This is all reasonable discussion. Lighten up.


You gauged punch resistance based upon single events on a given night against a given opponent and ranked them accordingly in your "top-10" worst P4P top-10 chin's. Which in and of itself makes no sense. There are no P4P WORST, it makes no sense.


There is actually a scientific process to chin checking.




Delvin Rodriguez and Rey Bautista are young prospects, and many young prospects get starched early in their career. Shit, it happened the Pacquiao.


Pacquaio was KOed on body shots and was always badly weight drained down at those lower weight classes, this is well confirmed by the way. No fighter who gets starched like Delvin Rod did against a completely light hitter is going to do anything. Bautista not even able to give Ponce a round is also telling, but I mentioned that he had shown chin issue's in the past and that Ponce was the exclamation.


You're just an idiot. Thats the sport, it happens. I don't think either necessarily have a bad chin, and if you've been in the ring i think you'd understand that and show some respect.


I was an amatuer boxer, does that count?

And I give respect where respect is due, I am also a critic that works on a rigorous standard due to the fact that boxing has had so many great fighters, so I judge everyone else to that accordingly when dealing with rankings and chin rankings are apart of rankings no different.

[DanePugilist]

Awesome list, and very well explained. Top notch.

[Amsterdam]

Awesome list, and very well explained. Top notch.

I knew this one would sit well with you. Mundine is gone because he's technically retired, plus showing a better chin against Kessler, Echols and Siaca/Green should place him out of the list, even though he will always be suspect in my eyes.

Codrington is one that you agreed on having possibly the worst chin around and Delvin Rodriguez became infamous to us both back in March.:lol:

[Stinky gloves]

Wlad out of top 10? whow!

[huki]

Haha, why do people get angry when Zakman and Amsterdam point out FACTS about fighters with horrible chins? On here, it's not considered ignorant to say someone is featherfisted or has bad technique, but once a glass chin is mentioned (which is an essential part of analyzing boxers), the person pointing it out is "ignorant".

By the way, to the people that keep saying Bautista just got caught by a perfect punch from a big puncher and his chin isn't bad.. do you even realize that the guy has been knocked down/hurt on a number of occasions before the Ponce De Leon match by light hitters? If you read any articles about his past matches or even watched the undercard to The World Awaits, you wouldn't be surprised seeing him getting knocked out so fast.

[Decebal]

You're a fucking high school dropout trying to sound smart.

You're just an idiot. Thats the sport, it happens. I don't think either necessarily have a bad chin, and if you've been in the ring i think you'd understand that and show some respect.

I don't see how insulting someone makes your non-arguments more convincing, do you? It just shows that you have no understanding of what is involved here and try to discredit someone who is a proven chincheker and top analyst by resorting to...namecalling.:-(

[Boom_Boom]

No Zab Judah = Failed list

Im dissappointed in you amsterdam...Zakman is my new Chin checkered expert

[Boom_Boom]

That one shot Pacquiao got KO'd by was a shot to the chin that ricocheted off and looked like it hit low, but if you clearly watch the tape it hit his chin and he was badly out of it. Had it been a body shot or low blow as Pac fans chant then he would've either been in pain and scrunched up from the shot, or holding his balls complaining.

Watch the footage, very hard to tell when not in slow-mo, but it hit his chin, it was a high shot, it just rococheted down, watch his reaction, no way someone is semi-unconscious from a body or ball shot. Again, very hard to tell when not in slow-mo, but his reaction says it all.

V-OPJObk290

Dont know how ANYONE can tell from that, it didnt hit anything clearly

It be better if we can see the rest of the video and help us judge it from the looks of his legs.

[Amsterdam]

No Zab Judah = Failed list

Im dissappointed in you amsterdam...Zakman is my new Chin checkered expert

Think about it Boom Boom, Judah has taken a shelling like a man several times, Codrington, Fraudley and co. get KTFO by moderate-light hitters, it's not even comparable.

Zakman will agree with me. Judah is 'shaky', but he's far from these guys.

[Decebal]

That one shot Pacquiao got KO'd by was a shot to the chin that ricocheted off and looked like it hit low, but if you clearly watch the tape it hit his chin and he was badly out of it. Had it been a body shot or low blow as Pac fans chant then he would've either been in pain and scrunched up from the shot, or holding his balls complaining.

Watch the footage, very hard to tell when not in slow-mo, but it hit his chin, it was a high shot, it just rococheted down, watch his reaction, no way someone is semi-unconscious from a body or ball shot. Again, very hard to tell when not in slow-mo, but his reaction says it all.

V-OPJObk290

I've watched it 10 times and for the life of me I cannot see anything but a massive body shot...

[Asterion]

No Wlad Klitschko on the list?

[J_Roth]

Not a bad list Hamsterdam. I can't wait to see Litzau get KTFO again. The pinoy hype job Bautista is definetly fragile in the jaw. When Khan gets cracked it will also be worth watching.

[Claypole]

Herbie Hide has to be on any list of bad chins.

[kg0208]

Two fights before the second Tarver fight he looked amazing and the fight before that and before that and before that.

No...he didn't. Jones looked amazing compared to the fighters he was fighting. Good top ranked LHW's.

He looked average compared to a 1998 version of Jones. If you watch as much Jones as I do, you would know this. Jones.....and I have said this a BILLION times now, started to slow down in 01 and it was noticable in the Harmon fight.

Prime does not equal when you are accomplishing something great, it equals when you are at your best. You can not be at your best and still be better than others. It does NOT mean you are prime.