Pound-for-Pound Tournament!!!

[StuBoxing]

Hey guys,

In a few days time I am going to be creating a tournament that will feature 16 of the best pound-for-pound fighters of recent years (last decade) to determine who is the best fighter regardless of weight class. I am telling you this because I want you guys to nominate some fighters for the tournament so that I get the right 16 boxers for the tournament. I already have some seeds, here they are...

Floyd Mayweather
Oscar De La Hoya
Bernard Hopkins
Winky Wright
Roy Jones Jr
Tito Trinidad
Sugar Shane Mosley

I need your help select a few more. Just give me your nominations and once I have picked the 16 to participate in the tournament I will give you guys more info on how it'l work and the matchups.

Thanks!

[McGrain]

Joe Calzaghe.

Pacman is a must (as is my learning to spell his fucking name).

Jaun Manuel Marquez.

[heerko koois]

Cotto, Hatton , Abraham....

[ripcity]

Marco Antonio Barrera

[sues2nd]

Joe Calzaghe.

Pacman is a must (as is my learning to spell his fucking name).

Jaun Manuel Marquez.

Arent we all!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh and why is Tito in there.....:huh

[DanePugilist]

Kessler should be on any list that involves p4p.

[heerko koois]

:rofl Kessler should be on any list that involves p4p.

[McGrain]

Kessler should be on any list that involves p4p.


From the last decade? Not yet my friend. But he probably will be.

[rendog67]

lennox lewis?

[McGrain]

lennox lewis?


Yeah i'd second that actually.

[rr94]

Cotto, Hatton , Abraham....

ABRAHAM SUCKS WHY DO U ALWAYS ADD BUMS TO YOUR LISTS

ALEX ARTHUR SUCKS TOO

[Amsterdam]

Kessler should be on any list that involves p4p.

Probably, because he'll spank anyone who lacks the ability to overwhelm him properly, even then he's going to be all one can handle.

[Amsterdam]

Toney was one I forgot. But Forrest is nowhere even close to as accomplished and was never as reverred as Tito, so he's out. Wlad is not as accomplished and ranks nowhere near as high on a pound for pound list. Honestly, Calzaghe has not proven himself like Tito did. Cotto, Castillo, and Quartey are just reaching, surely you know that. Their resumes and rankings at theirt peaks were nowhere near what Tito was.

Resume's are not everything, Forrest would have shut Tito out virtually had they fought.

[LogDog69]

What about Kostya?

[Zerwas1]

Johnny Tapia

[bladerunner]

Roy Jones
Bernard Hopkins
Marco Antonio Barrera
Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather
Shane Mosley
Erik Morales
James Toney
Manny Pacquiao
Felix Trinidad
Pernell Whitaker
Manny Pacquiao
Winky Wright
Joe Calzaghe
Juan Manuel Marquez
Kostya Tzyu

[Brickhaus]

Roy Jones
Bernard Hopkins
Marco Antonio Barrera
Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather
Shane Mosley
Erik Morales
James Toney
Manny Pacquiao
Felix Trinidad
Pernell Whitaker
Manny Pacquiao
Winky Wright
Joe Calzaghe
Juan Manuel Marquez
Kostya Tzyu

Seconded. Replace Sweet Pea (who hasn't won a fight in over a decade at this point) with Castillo, that's it. You can make an argument for Naseem Hamed too, but he gets starched by anyone anyway :rofl

[China_hand_Joe]

Honestly, Calzaghe has not proven himself like Tito did. Calzaghe's resume and achievements are like Tito's without the failure -fullstop-

[Quik]

Kessler should be on any list that involves p4p.


Yup Kessler is a must even if he is underrated.

[Jack]

If it's the last 10 years, Toney isn't anywhere on this list. He hasn't beaten anyone apart from Jirov since then. Lewis is a far better placement.

[Biggame]

Roy Jones
Bernard Hopkins
Marco Antonio Barrera
Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather
Shane Mosley
Erik Morales
James Toney
Manny Pacquiao
Felix Trinidad
Pernell Whitaker
Manny Pacquiao
Winky Wright
Joe Calzaghe
Juan Manuel Marquez
Kostya Tzyu

Good list, and I agree w/Brickhaus about dropping Pea for Castillo!!:good

[Fab2333]

Roy Jones
Bernard Hopkins
Marco Antonio Barrera
Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather
Shane Mosley
Erik Morales
James Toney
Manny Pacquiao
Felix Trinidad
Pernell Whitaker
Manny Pacquiao
Winky Wright
Joe Calzaghe
Juan Manuel Marquez
Kostya Tzyu

Well if this the list, I can tell you who the winner is of the bat. If evry1 is prime 4 prime. RJ won. So the list better get better than this. Or you can just say RJ is the winner. Even though I personally believe he was the best fighter from 2001 going back 4 10yrs. But thats just my opinion

[Amsterdam]

Forrest may have been a bad style matchup, but gimme a break, he can't rank higher pound for pound or as an ATG than Tito. Forrest isn't even top 100 at all, Tito is easily.

A peak Forrest is superior H2H. With a tournament, why does resume matter? Not every fantastic fighter gets the chance to establish long resume's, most don't, Forrest came in and went out fast.

This is not an all time great rankings tournament, it's a H2H tournament.

[J_Roth]

Put Wlad or Vit in there for shits and giggles. How about Holyfield?

[Fab2333]

And is this tournament for people who made the p4p list. Or only the ones whohave been undisputed #1 p4p?

[Brickhaus]

Well if this the list, I can tell you who the winner is of the bat. If evry1 is prime 4 prime. RJ won. So the list better get better than this. Or you can just say RJ is the winner. Even though I personally believe he was the best fighter from 2001 going back 4 10yrs. But thats just my opinion

Extrapolate everything P4P and I think Pac and Tszyu have a good shot at cracking Roy's glass a bit earlier in his career.

[Fab2333]

Extrapolate everything P4P and I think Pac and Tszyu have a good shot at cracking Roy's glass a bit earlier in his career.

mayb, but highly unlikely. pac hurt RJ's:rofl. As easy as Pac is to hit. RJ would mutilate him.

[kg0208]

Resume DOES matter. You know why? Because we can sit here all day and say that someone deserves to be on the list cuz we THINK he would have beat him.

If Forrest gets on, Mayorga does too....he has more titles in more weight classes and beat Forrest.

P4P is ALL about resumes with H2H mixed in after we take a look at that. Too much subjectivity leaves the whole tourney open to anyone. (Kessler? Yah right....) If Mayorga's power could scare Forrest, then Tito's at 147 surely could. Fact, Trinidad never lost a WW fight and is a 3 division champion. If he is not on the list because some of you THINK another fighter is better than him, who accomplished far less, and never beat him, then the tournament is a farce. Where do we draw the line at who we THINK is better and would win?

[kg0208]

Extrapolate everything P4P and I think Pac and Tszyu have a good shot at cracking Roy's glass a bit earlier in his career.
Except that P4P and in his prime in SMALLER weight classes, Jones was never even stunned. So either his chin wasn't glass OR his defense is too good and none of these guys will hit him. Take your pick.

BTW, KT was stopped AND quit on his stool. Pacman has been KO'd as many times as Jones has. So if that's you take on it.....

BTW, the best fighter missing who was still fighting until 6 years ago....Ricardo Lopez!

[ripcity]

How does this work? We nomonate the 16 best boxers of the past 10 years. I think I understand that part. Than what? Do we compare them in head to head match ups? Who would beat who? I can save every one a lot of time and trubble. Lenox Lewis would come out on top. Are we going to compare skills and acomplishments? While that would be more intersting they are questions of opinion not questions of fact.
All that being said I am courious to see how this turns out, and plan on giving my two cents worth.

[C Money]

How does this work? We nomonate the 16 best boxers of the past 10 years. I think I understand that part. Than what? Do we compare them in head to head match ups? Who would beat who? I can save every one a lot of time and trubble. Lenox Lewis would come out on top. Are we going to compare skills and acomplishments? While that would be more intersting they are questions of opinion not questions of fact.
All that being said I am courious to see how this turns out, and plan on giving my two cents worth.

Thats exactly what i was wondering. Is it a computer simulation, debate, what???:huh :huh :huh

[sonny73]

Seconded. Replace Sweet Pea (who hasn't won a fight in over a decade at this point) with Castillo, that's it. You can make an argument for Naseem Hamed too, but he gets starched by anyone anyway :rofl yeah right above the guy who brutally stopped him and stopped Tszyu.

[dave82]

I disagree firmly with a peak Forrest who got owned by a brawler being a better head to head fighter. Tito definitely proved himself against superior comp, and if Forrest is getting owned by Mayorga, I don't think he beats Tito as easily as you say, in fact I think he may get KO'd.

Have to agree with you

[Stinky gloves]

lennox lewis?

The obvious question is, can Lennox beat PACman? :huh

[mbandit]

What about Ricardo Lopez?He was fighting 10 years ago,so does he count?

[ripcity]

What about Ricardo Lopez?He was fighting 10 years ago,so does he count?
He should be on the list.

[kg0208]

What about Ricardo Lopez?He was fighting 10 years ago,so does he count?

I said that already :)

[jecxbox]

a bunch of pointless fucking idiots..the ones that hate Tito for no apparent reason at all. Fuck off. I think this guy means the last 15 years or so including the likes of Tito/DLH etc..Please

[jecxbox]

Resume's are not everything, Forrest would have shut Tito out virtually had they fought.


are you out of your fucking mind? :rofl :rofl :rofl

[kflex101]

Comparing Trinidad to forrest is very insulting to Trinidad.

The man brutalised three divisions before meeting hios match against Hopkins and achieved so much more than Forrest ever did.
For those that suggest Forrest is a nightmare stle wise for Trinidad (clearly not what this is about anyway) have you considered Forrest vs Mayorga?

If Ricardo can get Forrest off his game that much then Tito's chnaces would be at least 90%!

[Azriel]

Originally Posted by bladerunner
Roy Jones
Bernard Hopkins
Marco Antonio Barrera
Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather
Shane Mosley
Erik Morales
James Toney
Manny Pacquiao
Felix Trinidad
Pernell Whitaker
Manny Pacquiao
Winky Wright
Joe Calzaghe
Juan Manuel Marquez
Kostya Tzyu

I would add Julio Cesar Chavez.

[Brickhaus]

Except that P4P and in his prime in SMALLER weight classes, Jones was never even stunned. So either his chin wasn't glass OR his defense is too good and none of these guys will hit him. Take your pick.

BTW, KT was stopped AND quit on his stool. Pacman has been KO'd as many times as Jones has. So if that's you take on it.....

BTW, the best fighter missing who was still fighting until 6 years ago....Ricardo Lopez!

When Jones was at the lower weight classes, he never faced anyone with the speed/power combination of a Pac or a Tszyu. That's where I'm basing my comment. Yeah, Pac's hittable, but his speed/power combination (extrapolating from 122, where he was his best) would certainly give him a puncher's chance. Sure, he fought some great fighters, but Hops and Toney aren't exactly known for their punching quickness.

[kg0208]

When Jones was at the lower weight classes, he never faced anyone with the speed/power combination of a Pac or a Tszyu. That's where I'm basing my comment. Yeah, Pac's hittable, but his speed/power combination (extrapolating from 122, where he was his best) would certainly give him a puncher's chance. Sure, he fought some great fighters, but Hops and Toney aren't exactly known for their punching quickness.

Yes, but neither of them has fought a prime ATG IMO. Pacman even evolved as he is now seems to be too easy to figure out and would get blasted by Jones. Jones would still be faster than Pacman in a p4p sense, and Jones own power would is very high in a p4p sense...he didn't start having trouble KOing people until he was 15lbs above his weight class.

KT is a little trickier and I can see him timing Jones and catching him. I just wonder if he could handle Jones power and speed.

[stake501]

If its 1997-2007....lennox lewis has to be on that list..

and wasn't hamed undisputed featherweight champion for 5 of the first years in that 10 years.
and he proved he was decent p4p as he was a bantamweight that ended up in super featherweight

Although we know he would be knocked out of the tourney in the first round

[kg0208]

I believe KT has a better chance than Pac, but I don't think he can time Jones really. Jones was damn near impossible to time, which is why he was so good against counter-punchers and extra skilled fighters like Hopkins and Toney. He was too fast and too unorthodox to be timed, you never knew what he was gonna do, damn near impossible to time. I think KT gets blasted out in this one.

So do I. But for arguments sake, he is far more dangerous to Jones in a p4p sense than Pacman is IMO.

[hooligan]

no need for this kind of tourney...

i'll tell you who the winner is...

prime for prime, p4p Roy Jones Jr...