David Tua v.s Jack Johnson

[Bad_Intentions]

London Prize Ring Rules.

[mr. magoo]

This is an easy one. Tua by early round knockout.

[McGrain]

This is an easy one. Tua by early round knockout.

Against the best defensive in fighter of all time under London Prize Ring rules?

[Muchmoore]

Against the best defensive in fighter of all time under London Prize Ring rules?

The best defensive fighter of all time doesn't get dropped by middleweight Ketchal.

[McGrain]

The best defensive fighter of all time doesn't get dropped by middleweight Ketchal.


You sure?

You ready to throw out his quality of the back of a fixed fight where Ketchel tried to reneg? He certainly wasn't expecting to get hit with that shot, or any hard shot.

[mr. magoo]

Against the best defensive in fighter of all time under London Prize Ring rules?

Not to worry Mcgrain.

After reading about Johnson taking the title from a 5'7" 168 pound fighter, I have absolutely no qualms about him beating a guy who was a true heavyweight who was never KO'd in some 40+ fights and hit like a truck.

How silly of me to dare make such a ridiculous assumption :nono

[McGrain]

How silly of me to dare make such a ridiculous assumption :nono

What, if anything, do you think that Johnson did well?

[MagnificentMatt]

Johnson by decision. Tua is one tough hombre but he is no ATG. Johnson deserves more respect on here by a lot of people.

Thats a pretty disgusting avatar.

[Marciano Frazier]

Johnson by a wide decision, possibly a shut-out.

[Bad_Intentions]

johnson has no chance in knocking out david tua.

tua's chin would be too hard. and would absorb any punch thrown by johnson

Tua KO

[achillesthegreat]

Tua would win one but out of three or five I'd pick Johnson. He'd be wary of anything he throws, he'll put a shot in here or there and he'll tie him en route to a UD.

[Holmes' Jab]

Johnson, by fairly comfortable UD.

[Holmes' Jab]

This is an easy one. Tua by early round knockout.

Elaborate?

[mcvey]

London Prize Ring Rules.
Johnson smothers Tuas attack and takes a dec rather like the Mcvey fight.

[Rock0052]

Tua's got too much power and chin for this matchup, as well as being the shorter man- which is an advantage when your opponent tries to throw you from a clinch. I'd pick Tua to KO Johnson, but Johnson would have a strong chance at outlasting him if he could drag the fight out.

[McGrain]

johnson has no chance in knocking out david tua.

tua's chin would be too hard. and would absorb any punch thrown by johnson

Tua KO


It's not necessary for Johnson to score a one punch KO, or even a combination knockout; many fights under these rules ended due to exhaustion on the part of one competitor or the other.

[Holmes' Jab]

I'd give Tyson a far better chance, because of his lateral movement, speed, punching power and evasiveness. Form this list Tua is on a par with Tyson in terms of punching power, that's it.

He had a rock solid jaw, sure, and could bang with the best, but in truth he's far too one dimensional and predictible to favour against a defensive fighter of Johnsons calibre. Johnson wouldn't need to second guess, Tua would move towards him in a straight line advance, Johnson would be first there and consequently parry/block/clinch Tuas attacks, whilst throwing hurtful uppercuts and heavy shots to his body.

Tua has a punchers chance, sure, but with the lack of variety in his armoury I can't really see this materializing. :good

[mcvey]

I'd give Tyson a far better chance, because of his lateral movement, speed, punching power and evasiveness. Form this list Tua is on a par with Tyson in terms of punching power, that's it.

He had a rock solid jaw, sure, and could bang with the best, but in truth he's far too one dimensional and predictible to favour against a defensive fighter of Johnsons calibre. Johnson wouldn't need to second guess, Tua would move towards him in a straight line advance, Johnson would be first there and consequently parry/block/clinch Tuas attacks, whilst throwing hurtful uppercuts and heavy shots to his body.

Tua has a punchers chance, sure, but with the lack of variety in his armoury I can't really see this materializing. :good
Tua had a top chin ,fast hands but slow feet,coming in to Johnson he would be vulnerable to Jacks uppercut,then again Johnson would be careful of throwing it from the right side lest he be countered by Tuas hook,I didnt like the way Tua settled for survival against Lewis after sampling a couple of rights and some jabs,against Johnson who had better defence than Lewis he would eat quite a few lefts and be contained in the clinches ,Johnson would do what that Peurto Rican heavy,[his name escapes me],nearly did stay one jump ahead and take a decision.

[Marciano Frazier]

johnson has no chance in knocking out david tua.

tua's chin would be too hard. and would absorb any punch thrown by johnson

Tua KO To my knowledge, no one has tried to claim Johnson would knock Tua out. However, I'm sure you're aware that fights can't only end by KO. Tua has the power to knock Johnson out, but he's short, slow, ponderous, one-dimensional, and has a very predictable/limited offense. For nearly all of his big wins, he's relied on coming through with one huge shot somewhere along the line. When that hasn't happened for him, he's been outpointed.
Johnson was an extremely athletic, talented, and skilled fighter and would be very capable of avoiding Tua's repeated, predictable straight-ahead left-hook lunges and outboxing him for a sound UD.

[brooklyn1550]

Johnson UD

[Rock0052]

Call me crazy, but weren't most true London Prize Ring Rules fights fought with no round limits, thus eliminating the possibility of a UD? This fight would have to end with Tua KO'ing Johnson in the early to middle (by the standards of how long fights went then) rounds, or Johnson wearing Tua down late and stopping him by exhaustion/accumulation. My money's on the former, but it wouldn't shock me at all if Johnson won by the latter method.

Here's the link to a basic explanation of the rules:[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Senya13]

Tua stops Johnson.

It is correct, that LPR rules don't have a decision, except for circumstances that don't allow the fight to continue, or a disqualification.

[mcvey]

Not to worry Mcgrain.

After reading about Johnson taking the title from a 5'7" 168 pound fighter, I have absolutely no qualms about him beating a guy who was a true heavyweight who was never KO'd in some 40+ fights and hit like a truck.

How silly of me to dare make such a ridiculous assumption :nono

Aren't these people a bunch of morons?In Jack Johnson's era guys didn't throw alot of punches.They threw one punch and grabbed so saying Johnson was a good defensive fighter is ridiculous.What fighter couldn't avoid one punch?
Not only was Tua not knocked out but he never was knocked down or seem to bothered by any true heavyweights power who fought him.But sure he would be knocked out by a 190 pound fighter who had no chin and was knocked out in his career by other 170 pound fighters in his prime.
If Tua couldn't knock out somebody like Jack Johnson at the most 2 rounds it would be the biggest shock in boxing history.
Oh I can see your going to be real asset to this forum, with your cool appraisals and tactful,diplomatic arguments.

[Bummy Davis]

Byrd/Tua comes to mind....Johnson by UD

[McGrain]

In Jack Johnson's era guys didn't throw alot of punches.They threw one punch and grabbed so saying Johnson was a good defensive fighter is ridiculous.

Read the original post new friend. These are London Prize Ring Rules. In other words, when Johnson "throws one punch and grabs" the referee isn't going to come floating in and break them; in short most of what you're describing is irrelevant.

By the way, plenty of fighters threw plenty of punches - though not often against Johnson, it tended to be suicide.

What fighter couldn't avoid one punch?

Every fighter who has ever been knocked out by one punch. There are plenty of them.

Not only was Tua not knocked out but he never was knocked down or seem to bothered by any true heavyweights power who fought him.

He seemed plenty bothered by Lewis to me. But it's true to say he had a great chin and probably wouldn't be knocked out by Johnson (who could bang).

But sure he would be knocked out by a 190 pound fighter

Again, have a read through the thread. I never said Johnson would knock out Tua with punches; he doesn't have to do so. In terms of stamina there is literally no comparison between these two.

Your description of JJ as "190 pound fighter" is innacurate or disingenuos. He weighed in at around 210 for perhaps his peak performances against the massive, heavy hitting (but rusty) Jeffries and around 220 for the losing effort against the giant Willard.

who had no chin and was knocked out in his career by other 170 pound fighters in his prime.

"No chin"? The guy fought numerous ATG fighters without being stopped, you need to do your homework friend.

[Mendoza]

London Prize Ring Rules.

London Rules? Tua. He's too strong.

Queesberry Rules? I'll go with Johnson via decsion, though it is not a sure bet.

[McGrain]

London Rules? Tua. He's too strong.

Queesberry Rules? I'll go with Johnson via decsion, though it is not a sure bet.

Very interesting.

I'd say Johnson is strong enough for Tua, personally, i'd also say that the way Tua pushes in with his punches/bulls combined with Johnson's understanding of the physics makes for a nice intangible.

Interesting post though.

[Bad_Intentions]

Very interesting.

I'd say Johnson is strong enough for Tua, personally, i'd also say that the way Tua pushes in with his punches/bulls combined with Johnson's understanding of the physics makes for a nice intangible.

Interesting post though.nice avataar mcgrain :D :good

[McGrain]

nice avataar mcgrain :D :good


It's a sore one.