The Punisher vs. The Killer

[BigReg]

Manny Steward recently said that he wants Cintron to go up against Williams Dec. 8th(anyone else notice that Steward constantly pushes for his fighters to fight stiff comp.) I think this would be a great fight. Who takes it?

[jonesjrp4p1]

i think williams would take this fight easy like 116-112 or 117-111

[sues2nd]

Williams has shown he can take a punch...and give 4 more for every one he takes.

I think he outworks Cintron in a close fight.

[Maxmomer]

The comic book Anti hero and the Chow Yun Phat character? I vote Chow.

[PR Boxing Lore]

Kermit will KO the punisher.:vonnecunt

[compukiller]

Paul by close UD.:deal

[brooklyn1550]

Williams UD

[carras]

right now I'll say williams by close ud.

[H .]

Good match-up. I'd guess that Williams outboxes Cintron en route to a unanimous decision.

[WhataRock]

I think Paul has a good chin but Im not sure if its good enough to take a lot of bombs from Cintron. He should certainly brush up on his D a bit.

Either way I dont think Cintron likes fighters who make him uncomfortable and keep busy.
The Punisher takes the decision.

[Sug3]

I like cintron,but paul williams would outwork cintron and williams would possibly get a late tko or win by ud,why is cintron fighting a guy who demetrius hopkins ko'd.I think cintron should have fought clottey to see where his heads at and to see how he would handle another strong welterweight.

[LeedsLad]

Paul Williams would TKO him IMO he would box circles around him and Cintron would lose heart after about 6-8 rounds and would be stopped late on.

[amunz81]

Cintron By Ko!!!

[Guru_Too_You]

If Margarito overwhelmed Cintron, Williams just might retire him.

But on a serious note, I'd tip Williams by UD, but he might have to get up off the canvas to do it.

[Caper]

If Margarito overwhelmed Cintron, Williams just might retire him.

But on a serious note, I'd tip Williams by UD, but he might have to get up off the canvas to do it.

Yeah that sounds about right.....its kinda 50/50 to me, its not as cut and dry like some people find it. I've seen the Cintron by KO!!! and the Williams by TKO/UD!!!!

But in reality both men will have ample opportunity to take this one.

[Caper]

No he doesn't!

The punisher.....punishes the KiLLER! This match turns out just like the 1984 champion 49ers over the Dolphins and marino. One offense comes in with a ton of hype, everyone forgetting just how potent the other offense was that year.

But the game itself was won by defense and an offense which was far more versatile.

PW I think is more versatile than Cintron. Has a better all around attack. Is not dependent on any one aspect of his game.

PW by decision, maybe even stoppage as Cintron's chin does not impress me.

LMAO!!!

Ok Mr. self-righteous, you must love to hear yourself talk. :lol:

So you mean to tell me that PW wins this one easy huh??? Ha LMAO!! I can't beleive how arrogant you are....its amazing.

Paul has proven his chin is pretty solid though I doubt he's been hit by a puncher with the explosive power Cintron has. PW can be hit by much slower/wider punches in the past I doubt his chin will not be tested against a straight right from Cintron. PW has a great workrate but his puncher tend to get wide when he dedicates himself to a combo. Both men have great leverage and reach but Cintron has learned much and understands exactly how to utilize his reach to find the right distance. Listen I'm not convinced with Cintron's heart not his chin, he literally imploded against Margo after tasting adversity on a championship level he was never seriously hurt just discouraged to the point that he literally gave in. His team had no plan B and that's why he is now being trained by Manny Stew.

Come on brother open your eyes and look outside the box there a world of opportunity out there and though you might feel you have reached the level of self acutalization; Others (like myself) feel you have potential is you just learn to be a bit more humble.

[Morrissey]

Cintron will land those bombs to Williams head all night long for a TKO.

[Caper]

Every FIGHT TO YOU is 50/50!

You spew that shit out so as not to make a clear statement.

You probably thought the DLH-PBF fight was 50/50.

There were people ON THIS FREAKING FORUM who thought GATTI had a chance against PBF.

Kessler-Calzageh is 50-50.

But PBF-Hatton is not. It isn't a blow out but it isn't 50-50

I don't think Mosley-Cotto is 50-50 but that fight I can understand why MANY HAVE IT AS SUCH.

But Cintron has gotten a lot of hype for doing nothing.....simply because fans love KO's.

What's wrong, you find it hard to believe that one can actually view a fight from a unbiased position, is that concept so hard to believe.

Actually you are very wrong....I don't find every fight to be 50/50 if you actually read posts before automatically slamming them because they don't sound up to your standard you would know this fact.

Listen my man don't take it personally, I'm just trying help my fellow man by broadening their horizons...fights are not fought on paper, they are fought in the ring. As you should already know there are tons of stipulations that go on before, after and during a fight that may directly effect the outcome of a bout, all these factors need to be taken into consideration. I just gave you a legit arguement that questions your opinion on a Kermit vs Paul fight and this is all you can rebutle with....come on bro your better than that...arent u?

[lillarry]

the punisher outworks the Killer to a UD. Williams workrate is going to give any welterweight problems. He has a legitimate chance of beating any welter imo. I would love to see him against cotto.

[David B]

Williams would get stunned a couple of times but he would throw far more punches than Cintron.....Williams by UD

[emanuel_augustus]

the punisher outworks the Killer to a UD. Williams workrate is going to give any welterweight problems. He has a legitimate chance of beating any welter imo. I would love to see him against cotto.
Agreed. Williams is a freak at 147. He moves constantly, and by move, I mean effective movement, fluid all-body type movements. You combine that with his loooooong reach, solid chin, relaxed demeanor, and volume punching, and you have a beast.

Williams should outwork and decision Cintron. Cotto/Williams would be the real test.

[achillesthegreat]

If Margarito overwhelmed Cintron, Williams just might retire him.

But on a serious note, I'd tip Williams by UD, but he might have to get up off the canvas to do it.
Thats a serious avatar.

Thats him at 154 looking his best.

[BigReg]

Exactly 2 1/2 years after it was originally supposed to happen, these two will finally fight eachother. I'll go with The Punisher.

[IntentionalButt]

Technically superb slick boxers and technically superb slick boxers alone hurt Williams, given extant evidence to date.

Cintron is a technically okay boxer-puncher.

Foregone conclusion.

[BigReg]

Technically superb slick boxers and technically superb slick boxers alone hurt Williams, given extant evidence to date.

Cintron is a technically okay boxer-puncher.

Foregone conclusion.

Margarito gave him plenty of problems as well. However, Kermit is not slick and he's not a relentless volume puncher.

[VanillaKilla]

I think williams is going to pummel cintron :!:

Cintron deserves an epic beatdown for the way he acted in the martinez fight :patsch Hopfully paul steps up to the plate and destroys him :hey

[Beenie]

The fight will go on for as long as Kermit can endure the punishment. I'm guessing he'll crumble in the final 3rd of the fight.

[walk with me]

#1 - Kermit cintron has not had a signifigant ko since walter mattyhsee which is over rated anyways

#2 - margarito beat cintron twice who is basically a shorter less skilled (not as good fighting outside) version of pw

#3 - cintron couldn't even drop angulo who was totally untested up until the point he had fought cintron at.... not only that but cintron barely beat angulo



this fight is going to look like kirkland vs joel julio...

[IntentionalButt]

Margarito gave him plenty of problems as well. However, Kermit is not slick and he's not a relentless volume puncher.

The myth of Paul vs. Tony having been close seems to have grown ever since, but I'm not buying it. It's been a while since seeing it, but my memory banks have it flagged as a pretty clear win for PW. Margarito probably landed clean about as much as anyone who doesn't get blown out by Williams, it's just that being naturally bigger and heavier-handed than most of those guys his shots were more eye-catching and sent more sweat flying off Paul's dome. That doesn't mean they were effective or damaging enough to say that Tony gave him problems unlike anybody else he's faced.

[Hermit]

Paul is 60/40 for me right now. If Cintro can catch Williams early, he has a chance because Paul seems to like getting hit. Otherwise, and the more likely outcome, decision Williams on volume.

[walk with me]

Theres nothing you can say that justifies kermit having a chance to win this fight besides a hail mary punch....

kermit is mentally weak
he fights at a slow pace
he throws one punch at a time
he doesn't fight good under pressure
he can't fight going backwards
he can't fight inside



he's a simple one two guy with above average power who is taller than the average fighter in that weight class.... he should be shark food

[Hermit]

Theres nothing you can say that justifies kermit having a chance to win this fight besides a hail mary punch....

kermit is mentally weak
he fights at a slow pace
he throws one punch at a time
he doesn't fight good under pressure
he can't fight going backwards
he can't fight inside



he's a simple one two guy with above average power who is taller than the average fighter in that weight class.... he should be shark food

Martinez may have started a fracture in Paul's chin that Cintron can take advantage of. Paul gets hit way too much and it will catch up to him at some point.

[IntentionalButt]

Paul is 60/40 for me right now. If Cintro can catch Williams early, he has a chance because Paul seems to like getting hit. Otherwise, and the more likely outcome, decision Williams on volume.

Cintron as a one-punch lights-out hitter is a bit overrated. The Matthyse KO is where that idea really started gaining tread, and honestly Matthyse isn't terribly hard to knock out.

[walk with me]

Martinez may have started a fracture in Paul's chin that Cintron can take advantage of. Paul gets hit way too much and it will catch up to him at some point.

man listen...

paul williams said it himself... he has got knocked down in sparring before so when he got knocked down in an actual fight it was routine....so there is no problem there


and yeah william gets hit a lot but you have to think about who

martinez & verno phillips are slick fighters with accurate punching
margarito throws upwards of 900 punches every fight

your not thinking about the total picture.... cintron isn't high volume, he isn't technical, he isn't a precision fighter....

he is a crude one two guy who preyed on smaller opponents and made a name off of knocking out smaller and less skilled (by a HUGE margin) opponents... since he moved up he hasn't beaten any body worth a damn except a TOTALLY inexperienced Alfredo Angulo... aside from that he just knocked out a bunch of smaller opponents... and lost to every quality opponent he faced



this might as well be slated as a tune up fight for paul ... only thing saving cintron from paul is a home run once in a life time punch... other wise he's shark food

[beecho1988]

Paul Williams KO

[Brian123]

Williams still has no big names under his belt besides a win (most thought it was a loss here) over Antonio Margarito.

Cintron is not great but will still beat Williams.

[IntentionalButt]

Williams still has no big names under his belt besides a win (most thought it was a loss here) over Antonio Margarito.

Cintron is not great but will still beat Williams.

Both sentences are chock full of wrong.

Williams has Martinez, Wright and Quintana - each as big as Margarito. You can have it one way or the other - either make the argument that none of those four are big names, or say he has four big names under his belt. Don't elevate Margarito where he doesn't belong over those other three guys.

Of those four victories, the only one that most here thought was a loss was Martinez (who, incidentally, most here thought beat Cintron) - and even that's not true. Opinion was pretty split - I was among those who thought Martinez did enough to win but it was fairly evenly debated...unlike the Margarito decision. The "Margarito won" crowd is and always has been a vocal minority.

Cintron is not great - you have that part right, at least - but he'll need a miracle to beat Williams.

[doubleplaidinum]

i said this in the last williams vs. cintron thread. there's no way cintron makes it through this fight without crying. williams KO 8.

[Rock0052]

I think Paul grinds him down by the 6th round or so. Punisher TKO.

[MrPR]

Williams by stoppage,Cintron will be overwhelmed just like he was with Margarito

[lillarry]

Williams still has no big names under his belt besides a win (most thought it was a loss here) over Antonio Margarito.

Cintron is not great but will still beat Williams.


Most of ESB thought Paul Williams won you idiot :good

[walk with me]

Martinez may have started a fracture in Paul's chin that Cintron can take advantage of. Paul gets hit way too much and it will catch up to him at some point.

what fracture? martinez landed punches 10000x harder than the initial punch that knocked pw down...

he was off balance and got shook a little bit... not a big deal..

shit...

pw did better than pavlik

[Vagabund_vD]

PW by _wide_ UD. Something like 118-110 / 117-111.

[BigReg]

This is crazy. I started this thread almost 3 years ago, and the fight is finally going to come off. There better not be a last minute cancellation.