Is Jones Jr. much different than Vick?

[doom bull]

I'm a Jones fan but he does raise gamecocks and fights them (legally) in Louisiana. Plus, he raises pit bulls on his ranch. Why ain't they diggin' up his backyard?

[jonesjrp4p1]

the word legally i think sums it up

[KO Boxing]

:huh

So what's the question? Is it really, WHY don't they dig up his backyard?

I'm confused.

[Shotgun]

People have a connection with dogs that elevates them above other animals. Whether you agree with that or not, they don't call dog "man's best friend" for nothing. Right or wrong people just don't care as much about chickens as they do about dogs


The other issue isn't just the fighting but the execution of dogs because they weren't good enough. Not to mention violating RICO laws related to illegal high stakes gambling and organized crime

[shdavistx]

I'm a Jones fan but he does raise gamecocks and fights them (legally) in Louisiana. Plus, he raises pit bulls on his ranch. Why ain't they diggin' up his backyard?

I made this same post on ESPN.com's messageboard. Jones does his cockfighting legally. Lousiana and one other state are the only two states in which it is legal. Does that make it right? No.

Granted, roosters/chickens are not companions to humans and are more frequently eaten by us... it gives us no right to torture/harm them. It is natural for them to fight in the wild, but to set them up in an arena and hoot/hollar while betting money while an innocent animal is suffering to its death is not right.

Let me put it into perspective. Ancient Rome would throw human slaves into arena's and watch them fight till death.... it's the same thing.

[Boom_Boom]

People have a connection with dogs that elevates them above other animals. Whether you agree with that or not, they don't call dog "man's best friend" for nothing. Right or wrong people just don't care as much about chickens as they do about dogs


The other issue isn't just the fighting but the execution of dogs because they weren't good enough. Not to mention violating RICO laws related to illegal high stakes gambling and organized crime

exactly, People love dogs they could care less about birds

[doom bull]

OK. Jones is a relatively big time athlete who fights chickens and "raises" pit bulls on his ranch. That just sounds suspuscious from the get go. I'm not saying he is guilty of anything but you'd think somebody might want to do some poking around.

[KO Boxing]

Let me put it into perspective. Ancient Rome would throw human slaves into arena's and watch them fight till death.... it's the same thing.
:lol:

[doom bull]

Now that I think about it, Jones would probably want too big of a split of the purse to actually have his dogs fight.

[tays001]

who cares what's this got to do with boxing?

[skier47]

I made this same post on ESPN.com's messageboard. Jones does his cockfighting legally. Lousiana and one other state are the only two states in which it is legal. Does that make it right? No.

Granted, roosters/chickens are not companions to humans and are more frequently eaten by us... it gives us no right to torture/harm them. It is natural for them to fight in the wild, but to set them up in an arena and hoot/hollar while betting money while an innocent animal is suffering to its death is not right.

Let me put it into perspective. Ancient Rome would throw human slaves into arena's and watch them fight till death.... it's the same thing.

So, you equate human beings the same as chickens in value? Forcing any animal to fight to the death or abusing animals in any way is
pretty sick, but get a grip. Anyone of those slaves in ancient Rome
was worth more than all the chickens that ever lived. Humans are
capable of language, logical thought, mercy and empathy. Animals
are pretty viscious and invariably selfish. You know the old saying
about politics in the animal kingdom. There is no politics in the
animal kingdom.

[Wige247]

Except for a little thing called "probable cause" unless you mean a reporter getting a scoop, in which case, have at it...

[KO Boxing]

I just wanna know why is it acceptable to imprison animals in zoos, beat horses to make them run fast, or to hunt unsuspecting animals, but this dog fighting is villianfied? Hyprocitical to me.
:good

And it's chicken fighting.... A lot different to dog fighting.

Everyone has their own little double standards... Should we shut-down all Zoo's? Should we ban all horse races?

If no, well...

[jimmie]

I dont like it but yet it is different because its legal not saying its right but you gotta go with the law its legal.

[1lehudson]

I think that the whole thing is bullshit. I know a guy that breeds animals for the purpose of being shot, he trains them everday to run from one tree to the other out in the open. Then once hunting seasons start guys come from all over to shot bambi in the head, something that she has been born to do. This for the most part is a class issue. guys for the most part that are involved in dog fighting arent amoung the social elite while on the other hand our freaking vice president shot one of his homeboys on a hunting trip...Go figure. Now im not in favor of fighting dogs or any other animal for that matter, but I just dont see the difference.

As a dog breeder (parttime), and a person that breeds what is seen as a fighting breed (American Staffordshire Terriers), I make everyone that buys one of my dogs sign a waiver stating that the dog will not be used for fighting. Now I know that it doesnt stop it, but it gives me some teeth, if I find out that one is being fought I can go back and take the dog, which is something that I have done a few times.

[MacManJr.]

Vick's house only got raided because of a drug bust thanks to his dumb ass cousin. That's why nobody is digging up Roy's backyard.

[nezy37]

I made this same post on ESPN.com's messageboard. Jones does his cockfighting legally. Lousiana and one other state are the only two states in which it is legal. Does that make it right? No.

Granted, roosters/chickens are not companions to humans and are more frequently eaten by us... it gives us no right to torture/harm them. It is natural for them to fight in the wild, but to set them up in an arena and hoot/hollar while betting money while an innocent animal is suffering to its death is not right.

Let me put it into perspective. Ancient Rome would throw human slaves into arena's and watch them fight till death.... it's the same thing.

Are you serious? Go take another hit off your crack pipe :-(

[kg0208]

I think animal fighting is bad regardless. I don't see a point of view that could change my mind on this. Eating them is one thing....there are many carnivores in this world.

[Curtis Lowe]

I'm a Jones fan but he does raise gamecocks and fights them (legally) in Louisiana. Plus, he raises pit bulls on his ranch. Why ain't they diggin' up his backyard?

Vick has a better chin!

[Alo2006]

Well Jones fights his chicken, Vick betted on a dog fight. That's the difference. The only thing they had on Vick was the house in his name, and him on camera betting on a fight. What got him was his boys putting the blame on him. :roll: Everybody know the feds made deals with his boy saying if u say he was the leader of this, you get off.

[Stezzie]

I just wanna know why is it acceptable to imprison animals in zoos, beat horses to make them run fast, or to hunt unsuspecting animals, but this dog fighting is villianfied? Hyprocitical to me.

:rofl

[Stezzie]

True That!!!!

Thats the only reason this whole thing with Vick truly bothers me because its NOT like they "cops" actually caught him on their own you know. I can see if Vick's crew was been investigated or something like that and it ALL came to light BUT that was not the case. His own cousin turned him in now thats fu cked up for real. I wonder how much that cousin benefited from Vick's status before turning him in. You know he got the royal treatment too like Vick. Free strippers, drugs and all kinds of perks and then he is going to snitch on his cousin.

:smoke

Exactly...

On another note...I know guys that stick sharp hooks through worms, throw the hooks out on a line into the lake. They sit and wait till a fish finds the worm and bites down puncturing the fishes mouth. They pull the fish to them buy the hook that is struck in his mouth. These fish fight for their lives and get reeled in. The sad thing is a lot of these guys look at the fish, unhook him and throw him back putting another worm out on their line and catching another fish only to throw back...They torture these fish for sport. It takes weeks for these fish to heel...:deal

[Caper]

This is one sensitive issue, one that should probably go to the lounge, I come here to talk boxing to get my mind off all the mainstream propaganda. Its an excellent subject though, I just don't have the mental energy to discuss it at the moment.

Well one major difference is Cock fighting is more productive for the hungry fans. The loser can be added to two slabs of bread, greens, tomatoes, and a number of dressings and enjoyed by the crowd. Dog fighting does not produce the same outcome.

[brownshell]

What's so different between Dog fights, Cock fights and Hunting any other animal and killing them for sport? It's all the same result a innocent animal ends up dead.

[nezy37]

To compare animal fighting to hunting is totally baseless. The reason there is hunting is to control animal populations, hunting replaces natual preditors. Secondly hunting is not torture.

[nezy37]

Based upon the question of the thread RJJ is no different than Vick from a moral standpoint, and yes obviously there is a big difference between chickens and dogs.

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[psychopath]

I'm a Jones fan but he does raise gamecocks and fights them (legally) in Louisiana. Plus, he raises pit bulls on his ranch. Why ain't they diggin' up his backyard?


You already said "legally" so why dig up his backyard? :think

As for the pitbulls . . . not unless they have evidence that he is fighting them too then no search warrant could be issued.

[Imperial1]

If anyone in boxing that could have ever come close to Vick it was Gerald Mclleland .