View Full Version : Khan can become untouchable, unbeatable.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 06:58 AM
Before all the Khan haters start doing what they do best read all of the thread. Khan's fight vs MAB showed us Khan has changed his fighting style to a counter puncher with great speed and accuracy and a controlled tempo not over committing like he used to do and now is following a game plan. If he can further improve in this art of fast in out counter punching and keeps improving his defence and speed, Khan will hit and not be hit his handspeed is unmatched by any fighter as MAB found out albeit with one eye.
Will be very interesting to see who he fights next.
And yeah if Khan's chin was so bad the head clash should out knocked Khan out cold because that was a hard clash, look at the damage it done to MAB's head.
mrbassie
03-17-2009, 07:17 AM
I saw him doing mostly what he always did. getting too close to get extension on his punches, throwing shoe-shine combo's where most of the punches missed, getting rocked by innocuous looking punches. He did keep his hands up more though.
dwilson
03-17-2009, 07:19 AM
Khan is unbeatable at any weight below 175.
p.Townend
03-17-2009, 07:22 AM
He looked good but i think we need to see him in with a younger world class fighter next time out.Preferably one who is a natural light weight.Khan has improved under Roach and looks like he could go a long way but to say he is unbeatable is going a bit far.
Addie
03-17-2009, 07:27 AM
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Khan gets knocked out the first time he steps up in class, and the two punches that Marco landed, not even that hard, had him rocked.
The guy has no future at world level, but could gain quite a few fans at domestic and European level.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 07:36 AM
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Khan gets knocked out the first time he steps up in class, and the two punches that Marco landed, not even that hard, had him rocked.
The guy has no future at world level, but could gain quite a few fans at domestic and European level. So now you are saying MAB was not a step up?
dwilson
03-17-2009, 07:37 AM
You haters are stupid. Khan is already the greatest lightweight on the planet. No one can touch him.
Untouchable? WTF are you talking about man?
He beats a shopworn legend thats fought for 20 years and has a huge gash in his head and you've somehow come to the conclusion that he can be unbeatable?
Get a grip of yourself.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 07:44 AM
Untouchable? WTF are you talking about man?
He beats a shopworn legend thats fought for 20 years and has a huge gash in his head and you've somehow come to the conclusion that he can be unbeatable?
Get a grip of yourself.
In time 'IF' he keeps improving the counter punching, maybe the Unbeatable is misleading.
It won't happen. He didn't remove any of the doubts over his chin, he confirmed them. And he is going to get hit against better opposition. It would be an insult to world class lightweights to think they wouldn't be able to touch him a few months after getting sparked in a round. He might have improved, but not that much. Everybody gets hit.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 07:48 AM
Floyd Mayweather has done it and has never been beat, hit and move, Khan has faster hand speed then him.
:lol:
Considering he's in your avatar you havn't been watching very hard. Mayweather has been hit. Less than nearly everybody, but hit nonetheless. If he had Khan's chin he would have been knocked out by Castillo, Corley and Judah at least.
Mayweather's defence is about 100X as good as Khan's particularly inside.
dwilson
03-17-2009, 07:54 AM
Floyd vs Khan would be great next year. Maybe we have somebody in Khan capable of destroying PBF.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 07:56 AM
:lol:
Considering he's in your avatar you havn't been watching very hard. Mayweather has been hit. Less than nearly everybody, but hit nonetheless. If he had Khan's chin he would have been knocked out by Castillo, Corley and Judah at least.
Mayweather's defence is about 100X as good as Khan's particularly inside. Yeah has been hit but not many times, and not cleanly. Khan can use his feet more and is faster with his hands. I am saying not he is there now, but say if he keeps improving under Roach say another 2 years he will be.
We'll see. It's a very large 'if'.
He would literally have to become Willie Pep to avoid being knocked out 4 or 5 times in his career.
Rebel-INS
03-17-2009, 08:04 AM
Floyd Mayweather has done it and has never been beat, hit and move, Khan has faster hand speed then him.
Floyd has far faster hands than Khan, he just doesn't throw stupid combos. Mayweather also has an excellent chin, awesome defence and above all a brilliant boxing brain. In short he has everything Khan has, and everything he lacks.
debaser
03-17-2009, 08:05 AM
Floyd Mayweather has done it and has never been beat, hit and move, Khan has faster hand speed then him.
Mayweather can take flush shots. Khan was nearly floored by on of the very few punches Barrera landed. Eventually he will get hit on the chin again and when he does he will get ko'd. It's a shame really coz his chin aside he seems to tick every other box.
ApatheticLeader
03-17-2009, 08:05 AM
Before all the Khan haters start doing what they do best read all of the thread. Khan's fight vs MAB showed us Khan has changed his fighting style to a counter puncher with great speed and accuracy and a controlled tempo not over committing like he used to do and now is following a game plan. If he can further improve in this art of fast in out counter punching and keeps improving his defence and speed, Khan will hit and not be hit his handspeed is unmatched by any fighter as MAB found out albeit with one eye.
Will be very interesting to see who he fights next.
And yeah if Khan's chin was so bad the head clash should out knocked Khan out cold because that was a hard clash, look at the damage it done to MAB's head.
EVERY fighter eventually gets hit.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 08:05 AM
We'll see. It's a very large 'if'.
He would literally have to become Willie Pep to avoid being knocked out 4 or 5 times in his career. Yeah well the key word in title I wrote is 'CAN' not 'IS' untouchable. I feel Roach will in time make him a real star, but I guess only time will tell.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 08:08 AM
Floyd has far faster hands than Khan, he just doesn't throw stupid combos. Mayweather also has an excellent chin, awesome defence and above all a brilliant boxing brain. In short he has everything Khan has, and everything he lacks. No way Khan has faster handspeed.
debaser
03-17-2009, 08:09 AM
EVERY fighter eventually gets hit.
Exactly. Toney, Mayweather, Hopkins and Wright are all considered defensive maestros but all would have been ktfo on several occasions if they didn't have decent chins. EVERY fighter will get hit. Whitaker, Pep, Mayweather, whoever. You simply cannot really on not getting punched, it will happen consistently.
Rebel-INS
03-17-2009, 08:11 AM
No way Khan has faster handspeed.
I disagree.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 08:12 AM
Exactly. Toney, Mayweather, Hopkins and Wright are all considered defensive maestros but all would have been ktfo on several occasions if they didn't have decent chins. EVERY fighter will get hit. Whitaker, Pep, Mayweather, whoever. You simply cannot really on not getting punched, it will happen consistently.
It's a flashy TITLE, of course you get hit but you can keep it to maybe a few times in a fight.
debaser
03-17-2009, 08:14 AM
It doesn't matter. All that needs to happen is for him to go in with someone who is prepared to take his punches to land their own and he will be brutally ko'd again. I'm not a Khan hater and genuinely wish him all the best but the kid has major flaws and people need to see the reality of his situations.
When Mayweather was at 135 his handspeed was quite noticeably faster than Khan's.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 08:18 AM
When Mayweather was at 135 his handspeed was quite noticeably faster than Khan's.
I disagree, even Roach said Khan is faster than Manny and he is a natural Feather.
debaser
03-17-2009, 08:19 AM
It's a flashy TITLE, of course you get hit but you can keep it to maybe a few times in a fight.
Over the course of a 12 round fight the average fighter is gonna be punched around a hundred times. Realistically can you see Khan standing up to this? We've seen him rocked by jabs in the opening seconds and on the verge of being knocked out by non punchers before the half way stage, get in the real world mate.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 08:22 AM
Over the course of a 12 round fight the average fighter is gonna be punched around a hundred times. Realistically can you see Khan standing up to this? We've seen him rocked by jabs in the opening seconds and on the verge of being knocked out by non punchers before the half way stage, get in the real world mate.
LOL how many times a top fighter like Floyd get hit in a fight? Khan is 22, in about 2/3 years when he is getting close to peak what will he be like?
Rebel-INS
03-17-2009, 08:24 AM
I disagree, even Roach said Khan is faster than Manny and he is a natural Feather.
Have you actually seen any Mayweather pre Hatton?
Matt1986
03-17-2009, 08:24 AM
Before all the Khan haters start doing what they do best read all of the thread. Khan's fight vs MAB showed us Khan has changed his fighting style to a counter puncher with great speed and accuracy and a controlled tempo not over committing like he used to do and now is following a game plan. If he can further improve in this art of fast in out counter punching and keeps improving his defence and speed, Khan will hit and not be hit his handspeed is unmatched by any fighter as MAB found out albeit with one eye.
Will be very interesting to see who he fights next.
And yeah if Khan's chin was so bad the head clash should out knocked Khan out cold because that was a hard clash, look at the damage it done to MAB's head.
you are talking crap there my friend every time MAB landed a punch to Khan's body he took a backwards step and you could see he was uncomfortable. When Khan fights a fighter who is in his prim, a natural LW who is an elite fighter he will be exposed. I do not care who you are every fighter will get tagged in a title fight and that goes for Khan and what happens when he gets tagged it will be lights out for Khan. I strongly believe that if MAB had not been cut that he would of won the fight as his punches to the body were taking there tole on Khan and you could see in the last round his hands dropped slightly and if he would of got wore down and tagged once it would have been like watching bamby on ice all over again.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 08:25 AM
Have you actually seen any Mayweather pre Hatton? No I have not, who is PBF? :patsch
Rebel-INS
03-17-2009, 08:25 AM
LOL how many times a top fighter like Floyd get hit in a fight? Khan is 22, in about 2/3 years when he is getting close to peak what will he be like?
Floyd is a defensive master, Khans defence is awful. It's like comparing Sweet Pea and Gatti.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 08:32 AM
Floyd is a defensive master, Khans defence is awful. It's like comparing Sweet Pea and Gatti. Yes defence is poor but we saw an improvement vs MAB. Khan defence will be built on fast feet, so move away from trouble, covering up after fast after landing shots, for now holding on inside until he improves his inside game, headmovement, hip, ducking, using the ring, controlling pace, working that jab(form of defence), keeping high guard.
debaser
03-17-2009, 08:33 AM
LOL how many times a top fighter like Floyd get hit in a fight? Khan is 22, in about 2/3 years when he is getting close to peak what will he be like?
:yep Dude you seriously need to go educate yourself. For the record, Mayweather was hit 122 times in the De La Hoya fight and took 82 power punches. These are pretty decent stats for a guy who is considered to have the best defence in the business.
Khan's legs go after one clean shot let alone 82!
Matt1986
03-17-2009, 08:37 AM
:yep Dude you seriously need to go educate yourself. For the record, Mayweather was hit 122 times in the De La Hoya fight and took 82 power punches. These are pretty decent stats for a guy who is considered to have the best defence in the business.
Khan's legs go after one clean shot let alone 82!
:happy
Darni187
03-17-2009, 08:38 AM
:yep Dude you seriously need to go educate yourself. For the record, Mayweather was hit 122 times in the De La Hoya fight and took 82 power punches. These are pretty decent stats for a guy who is considered to have the best defence in the business.
Khan's legs go after one clean shot let alone 82! O.k ODH fight was close fight, all of them shots were not clean, but he got hit more than he is used to.
D-MAC
03-17-2009, 08:50 AM
Before all the Khan haters start doing what they do best read all of the thread. Khan's fight vs MAB showed us Khan has changed his fighting style to a counter puncher with great speed and accuracy and a controlled tempo not over committing like he used to do and now is following a game plan. If he can further improve in this art of fast in out counter punching and keeps improving his defence and speed, Khan will hit and not be hit his handspeed is unmatched by any fighter as MAB found out albeit with one eye.
Will be very interesting to see who he fights next.
And yeah if Khan's chin was so bad the head clash should out knocked Khan out cold because that was a hard clash, look at the damage it done to MAB's head.
Khan undoubtedly ticks a lot of the boxes: (1) footspeed - great, (2) handspeed - great, (3) stamina - looks good enough.
I think he will probably gather himself a belt or two, maybe at LWW as well as LW.
But, one has to take note of the glaring weaknesses in his arsenal as well, and recognise that he will not be a long-reigning champ, and also that he will never be elite: (1) counter-punching - I don't know were you got the idea that he is a great exponent of this; there haven't been many times I can count were he lets the other boxer lead off and then counters; Khan is all offence and nearly always initiates the attack. (2) punch resistance - he is highly vulnerable to both body and head, and it would be stupid to think that a competent LW operator is not going to land on him a few times in a contest. (3) Size and reach - he is always going to have problems with guys who have comparable size and reach; his diving in and out, as well as his shoeshine combos, are not going to be as effective against an opponent who has the reach to tag him when he pulls back out of an attack, and others who will have the core strength to walk through his punches and bully him on the inside (his inside game is not the best, and he looks really uncomfortable there; he done well to tie up Barrera, but he mightn't be able to do this for 12 rounds against fresher, bigger opponents).
Saying all that I wish him well in the future, and if anything is certain its that he makes for exciting fights. However, the PBF comparisons are just stupid at this point.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 08:57 AM
you are talking crap there my friend every time MAB landed a punch to Khan's body he took a backwards step and you could see he was uncomfortable. When Khan fights a fighter who is in his prim, a natural LW who is an elite fighter he will be exposed. I do not care who you are every fighter will get tagged in a title fight and that goes for Khan and what happens when he gets tagged it will be lights out for Khan. I strongly believe that if MAB had not been cut that he would of won the fight as his punches to the body were taking there tole on Khan and you could see in the last round his hands dropped slightly and if he would of got wore down and tagged once it would have been like watching bamby on ice all over again. Cut or no cut I think Khan would of done MAB, I think with a late KO, only time will tell what happens in the future.
Matt1986
03-17-2009, 09:08 AM
Cut or no cut I think Khan would of done MAB, I think with a late KO, only time will tell what happens in the future.
Did you not see MAB wabble him with a nothing shot? It was only a matter of time before he caught him flush with a decent shot
Strike
03-17-2009, 09:09 AM
I wanted Khan to win and I said he would win and by stoppage. Roach can improve him and has improved him slightly, but his chin is awful. Not shaky, total glass. And it is near impossible to reach the top with a weakness that bad.
Don't read much into beating MAB, the guy is shot to fuck, and fighting above the weight he should be. He was simply too old, slow and small to deal with a big, fast lightweight with good reach too.
Khan is great going forward and his defence can be improved, but it cannot be improved so much that he never gets hit. PBF is one of the best defensive fighters you will ever see and yet he still got caught, he was rocked by Corley, caught by Castillo.....
Khans problem is that any time he is caught by anyone with even the slightest power, he is fucked. Under Roach I am confident the Limmond fight would not have seen Khan caught like he was, but no matter what he will get tagged at some time in any fight, because that is boxing. When he gets tagged by someone at the highest levels he is going down.
I simply don't see it as a weakness that can be defended. It is so shockingly bad.
But he gets way too much hate and he can improve and continue to improve under Roach. Good luck to him...
But he is never going to be elite and "untouchable and unbeatable" is a farcial comment.
Strike
03-17-2009, 09:14 AM
you are talking crap there my friend every time MAB landed a punch to Khan's body he took a backwards step and you could see he was uncomfortable. When Khan fights a fighter who is in his prim, a natural LW who is an elite fighter he will be exposed. I do not care who you are every fighter will get tagged in a title fight and that goes for Khan and what happens when he gets tagged it will be lights out for Khan. I strongly believe that if MAB had not been cut that he would of won the fight as his punches to the body were taking there tole on Khan and you could see in the last round his hands dropped slightly and if he would of got wore down and tagged once it would have been like watching bamby on ice all over again.
You are talking crap actually mate. MAB was never in the fight, and getting thrashed because he is way way past his best. It was great match making from ****** and your anti-Khan agenda is as clear as crystal.
Your first thread was about Asian fans attacking whites and blacks (threw the blacks in to make sure it looked like you weren't racist) and every post has an anti Khan spin on it.
At least be honest and just say you can't stand him and you want to see him get KO'd again.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 09:15 AM
Khan undoubtedly ticks a lot of the boxes: (1) footspeed - great, (2) handspeed - great, (3) stamina - looks good enough.
I think he will probably gather himself a belt or two, maybe at LWW as well as LW.
But, one has to take note of the glaring weaknesses in his arsenal as well, and recognise that he will not be a long-reigning champ, and also that he will never be elite: (1) counter-punching - I don't know were you got the idea that he is a great exponent of this; there haven't been many times I can count were he lets the other boxer lead off and then counters; Khan is all offence and nearly always initiates the attack. (2) punch resistance - he is highly vulnerable to both body and head, and it would be stupid to think that a competent LW operator is not going to land on him a few times in a contest. (3) Size and reach - he is always going to have problems with guys who have comparable size and reach; his diving in and out, as well as his shoeshine combos, are not going to be as effective against an opponent who has the reach to tag him when he pulls back out of an attack, and others who will have the core strength to walk through his punches and bully him on the inside (his inside game is not the best, and he looks really uncomfortable there; he done well to tie up Barrera, but he mightn't be able to do this for 12 rounds against fresher, bigger opponents).
Saying all that I wish him well in the future, and if anything is certain its that he makes for exciting fights. However, the PBF comparisons are just stupid at this point.
Good post Mac,
I really really think he is weight drained at lightweight and his chin is suffering, Roach should move him to 140 even for his next fight in my view. Jeff.T was pointing out to me Khan could be dehydrated, and any shots his temple get him wobbly, the brain I think is 70% (something like that) water, the dehydration could be having an effect?. Even now his legs seem skinny, there like sticks. His inside game is still poor, so right now he should tie up and hold on. But which two things I like is fast feet, fast hands, not even Mayweather can match him in this area I feel. On top of this if Roach can work on all his other areas in say 2/3 years he can become really good.
No way can Khan match PBF, but he can look to him as a role model some thing to aim for, Manny also.
It's not just Khan's chin that is china, let's not forget. It's not a matter of just having to defend his chin.
His entire pumpkin looking head is pure china. When he gets tapped on the side or back of the head he loses his equilibrium entirely.
His body is also made out pottery. Michael Gomez had him limping around the ring winded.
achillesthegreat
03-17-2009, 09:24 AM
Khan fights the same way he always has but has improved certain technical points like hands up and pinned to the cheeks. They have also work on his balance as he always rocked and his went past his front foot. They've got him using his assets like height, reach and speed more.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 09:27 AM
I wanted Khan to win and I said he would win and by stoppage. Roach can improve him and has improved him slightly, but his chin is awful. Not shaky, total glass. And it is near impossible to reach the top with a weakness that bad.
Don't read much into beating MAB, the guy is shot to fuck, and fighting above the weight he should be. He was simply too old, slow and small to deal with a big, fast lightweight with good reach too.
Khan is great going forward and his defence can be improved, but it cannot be improved so much that he never gets hit. PBF is one of the best defensive fighters you will ever see and yet he still got caught, he was rocked by Corley, caught by Castillo.....
Khans problem is that any time he is caught by anyone with even the slightest power, he is fucked. Under Roach I am confident the Limmond fight would not have seen Khan caught like he was, but no matter what he will get tagged at some time in any fight, because that is boxing. When he gets tagged by someone at the highest levels he is going down.
I simply don't see it as a weakness that can be defended. It is so shockingly bad.
But he gets way too much hate and he can improve and continue to improve under Roach. Good luck to him...
But he is never going to be elite and "untouchable and unbeatable" is a farcial comment.
Fair points, The title was a little ott :yep
mountaintrekk
03-17-2009, 09:51 AM
This is called grand delusion. While I wish Khan every success in his boxing endeavour, this sort of make-believe statements and stupid expectations will help bring his career to a premature end.
Khan has learned only a few things from Roach. To hold his guard high and to switch in and out. His chin is still as bad as it was ever. Remember, how he was holding on to Barrera to prevent a knock down in the end of the second round. His jaws can't take any blow and one or two power shots from a decent lightweight is enough to send him crashing.
He has shown some improvement but still doesn't pick his punches, doesn't move his head effectively and still has that jumpy footwork. He is still very vulnerable. And he still talks stupid at times. I mean he has a lot, lot more to learn.
DOM5153
03-18-2009, 09:10 AM
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Khan gets knocked out the first time he steps up in class, and the two punches that Marco landed, not even that hard, had him rocked.
The guy has no future at world level, but could gain quite a few fans at domestic and European level.
you need to eat humble pie after all the unfounded comments you made were found to be unlegitimate
DOM5153
03-18-2009, 09:14 AM
i feel his going to be one of these guys who has 8 defeats on his slab but will be in many memorable fights by the time he retires
ps khan to be a title holder in the next year
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