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D-MAC
03-17-2009, 09:44 AM
Who do you think Khan "could" beat in The Ring's top 10 at Lightweight (its actually 11 when you include Ring champ Juan Manuel Marquez):
Champ: Juan Manuel Marquez
1. Nate Campbell
2. Edwin Valero
3. Juan Diaz
4. Joel Casamayor
5. David Diaz
6. Julio Diaz
7. Antonio Pitalua
8. Michael Katsidis
9. Ali Funeka
10. Yuri Romanov
(nb: Pac is fighting Hatton, so I have removed him and put in Valero who is moving up to fight Pitalua next).
Its a damn deep division and I'm not sure there are many on that list that I would confidently pick Khan to beat as of now; there are a lot of big punchers with good chins and high workrate in there (Khan nightmares). He possibly has a chance against David Diaz, Julio Diaz, Antonio Pitalua and old man Casa. But I wouldn't be confident; I just think he "could" beat them if he went in with his A-game and fought his best fight.
What do you think?
brown bomber
03-17-2009, 09:51 AM
I'd pick him against David Diaz and Katsidis. I've not seen any Funeka or Pitalau. I'm 50-50 with Casamayor he looks pretty shot. All the rest would beat him at this stage especially Juan D, Campbell and Marquez. All would score KOs.
Marquez KO Khan
Campbell TKO Khan
Valero KO Khan
Juan Diaz TKO Khan
Casamayor KO Khan
Khan UD David Diaz
Funeka KO Khan
Romanov TKO Khan
I'm not sure about Julio Diaz, I've seen him but I can't quite picture how he fights. I'm unsure of Pitalua, Katsidis is a toss up for me.
achillesthegreat
03-17-2009, 09:55 AM
IF Khan was tough as fuck then he could realistically beat em all as long as he can maintain that rapid fire approach for 12 rounds. However due to him being a touch frail he is going to have to build experience, fight the right opponents, use the right strategy and even suprise us with some of the shots he takes ala Lewis!
brown bomber
03-17-2009, 10:03 AM
IF Khan was tough as fuck then he could realistically beat em all as long as he can maintain that rapid fire approach for 12 rounds. However due to him being a touch frail he is going to have to build experience, fight the right opponents, use the right strategy and even suprise us with some of the shots he takes ala Lewis!
Ach sorry mate I disagree. The comparisons a really good one between Lewis and Khan. Like it, but the big difference is Lewis was a heavy with massive physical advantages over the majority of his opponets.
Khan will have to be able to infight at world class. You cannot win every fight using speed and movement. Eventually someone will pin you against the ropes, or catch you off guard- especially at these lower weight divisions. Barrera's attitude played the biggest part in his defeat. Wrld class fighters, have a world class attitude.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 10:07 AM
Julio Diaz vs Amir Khan is very winnable for Khan, Nate Campbell has now moved upto LWW.
JIM KELLY
03-17-2009, 10:11 AM
i wouldnt mind watching amir fight zahir raheem.
achillesthegreat
03-17-2009, 10:17 AM
Ach sorry mate I disagree. The comparisons a really good one between Lewis and Khan. Like it, but the big difference is Lewis was a heavy with massive physical advantages over the majority of his opponets.
Khan will have to be able to infight at world class. You cannot win every fight using speed and movement. Eventually someone will pin you against the ropes, or catch you off guard- especially at these lower weight divisions. Barrera's attitude played the biggest part in his defeat. Wrld class fighters, have a world class attitude.
Khan doesn't just possess speed and movement. He has versatile footwork and offence. If he can do that sort of work for 12 rounds, he'll give anyone hell. Think a little Guzman or Calzaghe. Khans approach against MAB never let MAB in the game, it could the same to others. People will cite the cut but Khans approach was very hard to deal with.
With Lewis, I am merely alluding to the fact that Lewis sometimes took shots that you'd think would floor him but didn't. Lewis only ever went down twice but when he went down, he stayed down. I'm saying that Khan could face someone like Katsidis and really suprise us by taking one or two big shots.
You are way too optimistic regarding Khan.
Calzaghe and Guzman have been hit. They can give and take it.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 10:29 AM
You are way too optimistic regarding Khan.
Calzaghe and Guzman have been hit. They can give and take it.
Yes we should just give up on him due to his weak chin, whats the point in even talking about him, we should ban any Khan threads.
:lol:
I'm not saying don't talk about him. I've giving my opinion on him just as you do.
It amazes me people cannot see the obvious regarding Khan at world class. He WILL be KO'd.
How many times does he need to prove this? Willie Limond knocked him down for 10 and he has 8 KO's. Michael Gomez hurt him to the body and knocked him down with a cuffing shot. Even an unknown French cat put him on the deck. Craig Watson made him do a chicken dance in the amateurs. Prescott knocked him out cold, firstly making his legs go from a jab. Even Barrera, on the only clear shots he landed made his legs stiffen despite what Jim Watt and co would have you believe.
It is going to happen. Period.
izmat
03-17-2009, 10:39 AM
Khan slipped against the French guy
Darni187
03-17-2009, 10:40 AM
:lol:
I'm not saying don't talk about him. I've giving my opinion on him just as you do.
It amazes me people cannot see the obvious regarding Khan at world class. He WILL be KO'd.
How many times does he need to prove this? Willie Limond knocked him down for 10 and he has 8 KO's. Michael Gomez hurt him to the body and knocked him down with a cuffing shot. Even an unknown French cat put him on the deck. Craig Watson made him do a chicken dance in the amateurs. Prescott knocked him out cold, firstly making his legs go from a jab. Even Barrera, on the only clear shots he landed made his legs stiffen despite what Jim Watt and co would have you believe.
It is going to happen. Period.
And what if he overcomes his flaws, works hard in other areas, moves up in weight and his chin improves like ODH, Pacman (got KO 2x before world champ), and becomes a World Champion what will you say then?
abzmanc
03-17-2009, 11:42 AM
All Im saying for now is I cant wait to see who Khan's next opponent will be. At the end of the day in this division...there is no easy way to the top. Some tough nuts are gonna have to be fought along the way.
dwilson
03-17-2009, 11:44 AM
Khan stops them all apart from Marquez who could posibly last to a decision loss.
kosaros
03-17-2009, 11:56 AM
Funeka is the worst fight out there for khan (even worse than JMM).
robpalmer135
03-17-2009, 12:26 PM
i would fancy him over these guys.
1. Nate Campbell
5. David Diaz
6. Julio Diaz
7. Antonio Pitalua
9. Ali Funeka
10. Yuri Romanov
BamBam
03-17-2009, 12:49 PM
Yep I'm kosaros on this, Funeka is a nightmare fight for Khan. Haven't see Pituala so I can't comment.
Khan has a shot against Julio Diaz and Katsidis. However, that is still dependent on him not getting a good bang on the whiskers (or up around the side of the head even) by the time he takes either man out.
The rest of the lads on the list splatter the fuck out of Khan. It doesn't matter, though, because there is about as much chance of me fighting one of these lads next as there is Khan. Sky and the press can hype the fuck out of him all they like (and they will) and ****** will cash in with a few more PPV's against sub par opposition. Fact is when Khan moves up in class he will get smashed.
He hasn't even fought a decent Lightweight yet. There is no decent LW on his record anywhere. So hype it all you want he has done fuck all so far.
His only hope is that he moves up in weight and by some miracle his punch resistance improves. If that doesn't happen then he gets taken out by anyone good enough to land a clean shot.
Anyway, you won't see him in with anyone anywhere near the top 10 in the division anytime soon
El Cepillo
03-17-2009, 01:21 PM
I'd pick him against David Diaz and Katsidis. I've not seen any Funeka or Pitalau. I'm 50-50 with Casamayor he looks pretty shot. All the rest would beat him at this stage especially Juan D, Campbell and Marquez. All would score KOs.
Why do you think Cassamayor is shot, Jeff?
achillesthegreat
03-17-2009, 01:24 PM
You are way too optimistic regarding Khan.
Calzaghe and Guzman have been hit. They can give and take it.
If you ready what I wrote you would see I am not saying that. I'm saying Khans quick fire style is an effective one but he is frail. If he was tough he could beat some of those names.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 01:44 PM
this obsession with Khan moving up in weight to improve his chin is ridiculous. Any small increase it could have to his punch resistance is going to be countered by the harder punching opponents and the loss to his speed. Until he shows that he can beat someone with fast hands and a punch there will always be huge question marks over him against any live fighter.
Most of the extra weight will go straight to his skinny legs and hydration; Khan Fitness coach would keep his upper body slim for speed, and beef up his legs. Khan on fight night is about 138, if moved up to 140, on fight night he would be 143 it would make a big difference. O.k they punch a bit harder at 140 but a bit slower also, which makes it easier to see coming making it easier to block/miss. If the chin is a problem right now at 135, what harm would it do to see if it holds better at 140, because it can only improve not get worse. Plus I think right now 140 is easier division than 135.
Imperial1
03-17-2009, 01:54 PM
Keep him away from anyone with a stiff jab or a solid hook ..
And what if he overcomes his flaws, works hard in other areas, moves up in weight and his chin improves like ODH, Pacman (got KO 2x before world champ), and becomes a World Champion what will you say then?
Pac's KO losses were because he was drained and/or body shots.
Darni187
03-17-2009, 02:09 PM
Pac's KO losses were because he was drained and/or body shots. What the hell have i been going on about all day. read
Most of the extra weight will go straight to his skinny legs and hydration; Khan Fitness coach would keep his upper body slim for speed, and beef up his legs. Khan on fight night is about 138, if moved up to 140, on fight night he would be 143 it would make a big difference. O.k they punch a bit harder at 140 but a bit slower also, which makes it easier to see coming making it easier to block/miss. If the chin is a problem right now at 135, what harm would it do to see if it holds better at 140, because it can only improve not get worse. Plus I think right now 140 is easier division than 135.
Casamayor is well well past his best. The fact he struggled with Katsidis shows it. At his prime a slick, crafty southpaw like Casamayor would have made easy work of such a crude fighter. However he was hurt and had a lot of bad moments before rallying to win the fight. Also, prior to this he really got lucky against Santa Cruz.
I've got a feeling he'd still beat Khan though. Khan has never seen a good southpaw in the ring, only sparring. And Casamayor is quite a slick cagey southpaw so that is something tough to adjust to. I think he'd catch Khan with a counter because of this. I'm not sure Khan would position his feet correctly.
As for people thinking he beats Nate Campbell...lay off the crack! Campbell would walk him down until he catches up with him. He is an old school fighter on the inside, he'd take it to Khan where he hates it. I see Campbell stopping him mid to late after Khan starts well.
SouthpawSlayer
03-17-2009, 03:41 PM
Champ: Juan Manuel Marquez KO
1. Nate Campbell KO
2. Edwin Valero KO
3. Juan Diaz KO
4. Joel Casamayor Khan UD
5. David Diaz Khan UD
6. Julio Diaz UD
7. Antonio Pitalua Khan UD
8. Michael Katsidis KO
9. Ali Funeka KO
10. Yuri Romanov KO
SouthpawSlayer
03-17-2009, 03:44 PM
i would fancy him over these guys.
1. Nate Campbell
5. David Diaz
6. Julio Diaz
7. Antonio Pitalua
9. Ali Funeka
10. Yuri Romanov
after seeing funeka against campbell im pretty sure he would destroy khan,
tall big and rangy at lw and extremely awkward
Kid Lucky
03-17-2009, 03:50 PM
He'd have a good chance with David Diaz who's very easy to hit but wouldn't go anywhere when hit for a while.
Katsidis would be beatable for Khan too - not been that impressed with him to be honest.
Most of the others, including Casamayor would 'brutally' KO him.
GPater11093
03-17-2009, 04:20 PM
He'd have a good chance with David Diaz who's very easy to hit but wouldn't go anywhere when hit for a while.
Katsidis would be beatable for Khan too - not been that impressed with him to be honest.
Most of the others, including Casamayor would 'brutally' KO him.
watch his fight with Graham Earl he would KTFO of khan
Darni187
03-17-2009, 07:20 PM
Well i think if Frank is talking about a world title by the end of the year for AK he got to fight 1 of these top 10 next, i am sure Roach will let him fight a bum after beating MAB.
JonOli
03-17-2009, 07:52 PM
People say Juan Diaz is lighthanded but I still think he has too much pressure and dig for Khan.
D-MAC
03-17-2009, 08:09 PM
People say Juan Diaz is lighthanded but I still think he has too much pressure and dig for Khan.
He wasn't too lighthanded when he was battering Marquez about in the 2nd round.
I wouldn't give Khan much of a chance with him.
9Ball
03-17-2009, 11:44 PM
I think that AK has learned as much as he will from Freddie Roach, as soon as someone gets through with the first big solid punch AK will instantly forget everything he has learned and his arms would come down and his chin would go back up in the air and then it is going to be goodnight vienna.
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