View Full Version : Khans improvements and flaws
achillesthegreat
03-18-2009, 09:20 AM
This is the talking point as to how well/bad he does and can do.
Roach has worked on his balance, guard and intelligence. However Khan still got caught with flaws v MAB.
In the 2nd round MAB caught him with a left hook. Khan was off balance and out of position when going to the body. He got caught and hurt. Same thing v Prescott.
In the 5th round MAB caught him with a right hand. Khan was looping a left hook while moving and MAB threw a right hand down the pope. He got caught and hurt. Same thing v Limond.
Khans appears to have brought some bouncey-ness back to his game. A bit more amateur/Pacquiao. I fear it could get him in trouble.
I think Khan dominated MAB and would do similar without a cut. Too big and too fast. A natural 135 MAB (even at 35 years old) absolutely decimates Khan.
DOM5153
03-18-2009, 09:27 AM
that said roach did say khan made mistakes in that fight, things to be ironed out
robpalmer135
03-18-2009, 09:30 AM
ok, so Khan is not Floyd Mayweather, get over it
Darni187
03-18-2009, 09:34 AM
Yeah there were some flaws on the night, but I feel he made more improvements. I guess 2/3 more fights to iron out the flaws and perfect his game, then if he is looking good and has not been KOed and lost, a title shot can be made.
IronBull
03-18-2009, 09:39 AM
People have to remember Khan is only 22. So he have plenty of time...
There is no rush.
TehRileh
03-18-2009, 09:46 AM
ok, so Khan is not Floyd Mayweather, get over it
Its like they dont expect him to get hit, all boxers do, mistakes are made every fight. Also i dont think he was even hurt like people are saying. But he did what he needed too. Probably still get KO'ed down the line.
achillesthegreat
03-18-2009, 09:59 AM
First, people were too critical and now they are too sensitive. No reason he can't have technique like Mayweather.
Mistakes are made in every fight but these are the exact same mistakes made in catastrophic moments for him. He did both mistakes in one fight.
Darni187
03-18-2009, 10:22 AM
First, people were too critical and now they are too sensitive. No reason he can't have technique like Mayweather.
Mistakes are made in every fight but these are the exact same mistakes made in catastrophic moments for him. He did both mistakes in one fight. Thats what I am saying, Khan may never have the reaction time of FM blocking/ducking/slipping/using shoulder the defence master, but he does have faster feet, and faster hands IMO. FM can stand or side step and defend himself, Khan can back pedal or move away fast with his fast feet. It will take I think 3 more fights to near perfect Khan's new style hit and not be hit in and out fast using hand speed.
achillesthegreat
03-18-2009, 06:49 PM
Thats what I am saying, Khan may never have the reaction time of FM blocking/ducking/slipping/using shoulder the defence master, but he does have faster feet, and faster hands IMO. FM can stand or side step and defend himself, Khan can back pedal or move away fast with his fast feet. It will take I think 3 more fights to near perfect Khan's new style hit and not be hit in and out fast using hand speed.
We don't know. Many fighters have good reflexes but they don't fine tune them with the right defence because they don't put enough work in. Every second of Floyds pad work is defence defence defence. Khan is faster than Floyd but in the pros it'll serve him better if his footwork becomes more educated and his punches get there via timing and not speed. Floyd is so good because he doesn't win based on his talent i.e. speed and reflexes. He wins because he is well schooled. VERY few boxers can deduct the ego and use the brain.
What I'm saying is Khan has improved but the two MAJOR things that got him caught were repeated and both in one fight. I think Khan has improved but he won because he was too big and too fast. A 135 MAB kills Khan, even at 35. I'm intrigued to see if Khan stays bouncey on his feet and if he does how that will fair.
You can't properly gauge these things without context and perspective.
You only gain that through being directly threatened by a top opponent at lightweight, or better yet, fighting your old nemesis. Then you can really start to see any improvements or otherwise as the base for comparison is there.
You can't properly gauge these things without context and perspective.
You only gain that through being directly threatened by a top opponent at lightweight, or better yet, fighting your old nemesis. Then you can really start to see any improvements or otherwise as the base for comparison is there.
:lol: Very subtle way to make your point.
SouthpawSlayer
03-18-2009, 07:14 PM
improvements were plain to see, what i will do is analyse those improvements into potential problems for khan
his biggest impovement imo was he was landing his shots then getting the fuck out of there, he wasnt planting his feet in order to move out of range as quickly as possible before the counter comes back , they had worked on this for one main reason that his defence was terrible and still is in some areas so to use quick foot speed and getting out of range directly after landing a combo was obviously a great plan
however had there been a legit 135 fighter in there those punches were so pitty pat that a top lw could cover up take the punches on the gloves and counter with power shots as their balance wouldnt have been affected from the speed shots amir was throwing
im obviously still worried about his chin, i wish amir wasnt such a nob as he is exciting and i liked him in the olympics which was before i realised he was a dumb cunt
Rowan
03-19-2009, 12:40 PM
Its like they dont expect him to get hit, all boxers do, mistakes are made every fight. Also i dont think he was even hurt like people are saying. But he did what he needed too. Probably still get KO'ed down the line.
He was wobbled. Fortunately Barrera was operating with one eye so it's very hard to tell how much Khan has improved or how much Barrera has in the tank.
brown bomber
03-19-2009, 12:56 PM
Pre prescott Khan would have beaten Barrera exactly the same way. The only evidence of change so far has been Khans body shape. He was slightly more disciplined in his approach - but that tends to happen once you've been laid out. I think that he will have a very protected career gong forward. It will be interesting to see how ****** deals with the PPV-protective match making equation. An awful lot of thought will have to go into his matchmaking.
dwilson
03-19-2009, 12:58 PM
Khan is constantly improving which is amazing considering he is almost perfect. He reminds me of the Kurt Russel character in 'Soldier'. He is just an unbeatable fighting machine with no real flaws.
DOM5153
03-19-2009, 01:04 PM
Khan is constantly improving which is amazing considering he is almost perfect. He reminds me of the Kurt Russel character in 'Soldier'. He is just an unbeatable fighting machine with no real flaws.
yeh agree with you but i wish he could take a shot
dwilson
03-19-2009, 01:08 PM
Khan can take a shot. He has tried to give the impression that he can not in certain previous fights because he knows how avoided he would become without that fabricated flaw. Khan knows now that by giving opponents a small shimmer of light that they can pull off a surprise win against him that they would be more willing to fight him. Great work on his part me thinks.
DOM5153
03-19-2009, 01:12 PM
Khan can take a shot. He has tried to give the impression that he can not in certain previous fights because he knows how avoided he would become without that fabricated flaw. Khan knows now that by giving opponents a small shimmer of light that they can pull off a surprise win against him that they would be more willing to fight him. Great work on his part me thinks.
imo he will be the complete package in two years time, bar the chin, he cant take a shot, that said, his recovery time from taking a punch is good :good
Steve Fox
03-19-2009, 05:18 PM
He has very little variety in his combinations, hence him throwing entire sequences onto his opponents gloves and there's some question with regards to his punch resistance. People may need to take into account, that being honest may not be in Sky's best interest.
brown bomber
03-19-2009, 05:32 PM
Khan can take a shot. He has tried to give the impression that he can not in certain previous fights because he knows how avoided he would become without that fabricated flaw. Khan knows now that by giving opponents a small shimmer of light that they can pull off a surprise win against him that they would be more willing to fight him. Great work on his part me thinks.I thought that mate... You could tell he was acting againt Prescott. That KO was so fake. Especially that little dance he did.
widdy
03-19-2009, 06:27 PM
I thought that mate... You could tell he was acting againt Prescott. That KO was so fake. Especially that little dance he did.
i thought he was play sleeping,sneaky bugger that amir,ive been told he is quite the joker in his gym
DOM5153
03-19-2009, 06:34 PM
i thought he was play sleeping,sneaky bugger that amir,ive been told he is quite the joker in his gym
:lol:
brown bomber
03-19-2009, 06:34 PM
i thought he was play sleeping,sneaky bugger that amir,ive been told he is quite the joker in his gymHeard about his play napping in the gym have you? Wonder if we have the same source? :rofl
faisal
03-19-2009, 06:57 PM
Heard about his play napping in the gym have you? Wonder if we have the same source? :rofl
hes been sparked during sparring good grief
Primadonna Kool
03-19-2009, 07:43 PM
When you area gifted athlete, you think less about the basic fundamentals. Amir Khan just thinks more about the basic fundamentals now, guard up. Get your punche's off, and they get out of countering range, sistimatic approach. Amir Khan has great speed, Roy Jone's type Speed, he has decent mobility...and i think his Power is somewhat underrated. He can course allot of trouble in this game, even if his punch resistance is weak.
I still say that 99.9% of British Lightweights...only have a punchers chance against him. Because he sh*t's on them all technically, shits on them all athletically......................
Amir Khan on form, does not beat guys.
He beats GUYS DOWN!!!
***** beats guys Down!
izmat
03-19-2009, 08:23 PM
Significant improvements don't happen overnight so give him a year or two with Roach !
Rebel-INS
03-19-2009, 09:05 PM
When you area gifted athlete, you think less about the basic fundamentals. Amir Khan just thinks more about the basic fundamentals now, guard up. Get your punche's off, and they get out of countering range, sistimatic approach. Amir Khan has great speed, Roy Jone's type Speed, he has decent mobility...and i think his Power is somewhat underrated. He can course allot of trouble in this game, even if his punch resistance is weak.
I still say that 99.9% of British Lightweights...only have a punchers chance against him. Because he sh*t's on them all technically, shits on them all athletically......................
Amir Khan on form, does not beat guys.
He beats GUYS DOWN!!!
***** beats guys Down!
Athletically- yes.
Technically- Fuck no.
Rebel-INS
03-19-2009, 09:06 PM
Heard about his play napping in the gym have you? Wonder if we have the same source? :rofl
Do tell Mr Thomas :D
Primadonna Kool
03-19-2009, 09:19 PM
Athletically- yes.
Technically- Fuck no.
He can throw straight pucnhes, combinations...every punch in the book.
Technically he is far better than any british light weight.
They all look shit.
He just need's to work on the basic fundamentals, and work everything off that.
Insted of going down the "Roy Jones Junior" road...of being a super hero.
faisal
03-19-2009, 10:16 PM
Jeff u may as well elaborate on the details
ShadowWorks
03-19-2009, 10:39 PM
Amir did make mistakes, when he starts his offensive moves he drops his hands, MAB is to old and slow now, he would have lost but on points if the cut never happened.
Amir is still getting better as a boxer so there is hope for the wee bloke.
khans gone back to the bouncing around throwing shots at lighting speed but with little power .. like when he was a amateur but hey if it works why not .
Grant1
03-20-2009, 12:32 PM
Jeff u may as well elaborate on the details
didn't Gomez spark Khan before the Fagan fight?
Rowan
03-23-2009, 11:50 AM
When you area gifted athlete, you think less about the basic fundamentals. Amir Khan just thinks more about the basic fundamentals now, guard up. Get your punche's off, and they get out of countering range, sistimatic approach. Amir Khan has great speed, Roy Jone's type Speed, he has decent mobility...and i think his Power is somewhat underrated. He can course allot of trouble in this game, even if his punch resistance is weak.
I still say that 99.9% of British Lightweights...only have a punchers chance against him. Because he sh*t's on them all technically, shits on them all athletically......................
Amir Khan on form, does not beat guys.
He beats GUYS DOWN!!!
***** beats guys Down!
oh my lord.:rasta
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