Jake Lamotta Vs Marvin Hagler

[Megamac55]

Who wins? Why and how

[Sweet Pea]

I'd take Hagler in a close, hard fought decision. He'd probably out-box and out-point Jake in the early goings behind his jab and better lateral movement. I expect, however, that as the fight wears on Jake would start to catch up with him and the body shots would take their toll over the full 15. Still, similarly to the Antuofermo fight where Hagler gassed late, I think Hagler's early lead gives him the edge in the fight.

[EL-MATADOR]

Hagler outboxes him on the way to a UD.

[Rico Spadafora]

Two Iron Chinned warriors going at it. I can't pick a winner.

[Marnoff]

Hagler on points. Neither man gets stopped, neither man goes down.

[FINITO]

Hagler UD

Lamotta is tough but way too primitive for Hagler.

[p.falk]

Hagler UD

Lamotta is tough but way too primitive for Hagler.

Explain.
Lamotta's style wasn't any more primative than Haglers.

[FlatNose]

Hagler UD

Lamotta is tough but way too primitive for Hagler.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. Take a look at some old films of LaMotta. He boxed from behind a busy jab, threw compact combinations, and worked upstairs and down. Hagler was not quite on the skill level of Jake. LaMotta by decision.

[Williams27]

Hagler TKO 11 LaMotta. Hagler wouldnt land as many shots as Robinson but would hit with more power and eventually cave LaMotta's face in. LaMotta wins 2 rounds and scores a flash knockdown before he gets destroyed. Hagler was a natural 160 - 165 pounds. Robinson was a natural 147 - 152 pounds. Thats why Hagler is able to stop Jake like Ray did, a few less punches with a little more power.

[Williams27]

By the way Hagler threw faster combo's then Jake (just watch the films) and had a 3-5 inch reach advantage.

[MURK20]

Hagler was not quite on the skill level of Jake. LaMotta by decision.

That is some of the most ignorant sh#t that I've ever heard on here. Your can throw out 10 middleweight greats and Hagler will be able to outbox 8 of them. Thats his pedigree man. He only started to brawl when he kept getting robbed in his earlier years. And yes as hard as LaMotta's head was, Hagler at his best would've stopped him or at least battered him.

[punchdrunkgench]

what a supperb fight this would be,no quater would be given by either man and i reckon they would be appealing for blood donors the week before the fight!
i would say hagler on points over 12 rounds but over 15rounds jake would have more of a chance

[tliang1000]

hagler.

[Sweet Pea]

Hagler TKO 11 LaMotta. Hagler wouldnt land as many shots as Robinson but would hit with more power and eventually cave LaMotta's face in. LaMotta wins 2 rounds and scores a flash knockdown before he gets destroyed. Hagler was a natural 160 - 165 pounds. Robinson was a natural 147 - 152 pounds. Thats why Hagler is able to stop Jake like Ray did, a few less punches with a little more power.

Hagler did not hit with more power or better combinations than Robinson, under any circumstances. Not to mention the only time Ray stopped him over 15 was against a faded, badly weight drained LaMotta. No chance of a stoppage here.

[FlatNose]

Hagler was not quite on the skill level of Jake. LaMotta by decision.

That is some of the most ignorant sh#t that I've ever heard on here. Your can throw out 10 middleweight greats and Hagler will be able to outbox 8 of them. Thats his pedigree man. He only started to brawl when he kept getting robbed in his earlier years. And yes as hard as LaMotta's head was, Hagler at his best would've stopped him or at least battered him.

When you compare not only the skill level of Hagler and Lamotta, but their opponents skill level, it only makes it more obvious that Jake was the better fighter. A guy like Jake who hands Sugar Ray Robinson, the greatest fighter ever, his first loss, and has four other close tough fights with him , plus all the other great fighters like Cerdan and Zivic is certainly more skilled than a guy who struggles with a past it Duran and gets beat by Leonard , coming back after five years. Even in his prime , Hagler's best wins were over Antuofermo and Hamsho, hardly all time greats. Yeah he ko'd Tommy Hearns, but so did Iran Barkley. You think ANYBODY could take 5 years off and come back and beat an active LaMotta?

[rodney]

Lamotta was alot better than Vito Antefermo.
I think he wears Hagler down.
I do not think that Marvin would slow him up at all.

[JohnThomas1]

Very difficult one this. LaMotta gets a bum rap with most and he's far better than that.

I'll tentatively take Hagler by split decision in a gruelling fight that could score either way. Great matchup this one.

[Bummy Davis]

I remember Haglers first fight with Vito Antufermo, it was close, no matter who you think won, it was a close Draw....I remember Lamotta fighting Irish Bob Murphy and Bob Satterfield...Lamotta could put on pressure and fight inside better than Vito and he was bigger and stronger than Duran ( who did well on the inside vs Marvin......I give Jake the edge but they could fight 10 times and go back and forth...its a matter of wills

[Rebel-INS]

Hagler TKO 11 LaMotta. Hagler wouldnt land as many shots as Robinson but would hit with more power and eventually cave LaMotta's face in. LaMotta wins 2 rounds and scores a flash knockdown before he gets destroyed. Hagler was a natural 160 - 165 pounds. Robinson was a natural 147 - 152 pounds. Thats why Hagler is able to stop Jake like Ray did, a few less punches with a little more power.

No stoppage and no knockdowns. Hagler by comfortable UD.

[Clinton]

I have no idea how people can say LaMotta hit harder than Hagler. Jake had only 32 ko's in 80 victories, along with his 19 losses. Hagler boxes his ears off with a superior reach. Marvin by 12 or 15 round decision.

[tommy the hat]

I would lean towards Hagler by a razor thin 15 round decision, but it definitely could be a draw or even go La Motta's way. Both guys had granite jaws, so either way it goes you are looking at a hard fought 15 round bout. I give Hagler the edge because of his boxing abilities.

[HomicideHenry]

Hagler and LaMotta could go 15 rounds a stretch. Both those guys could be falling on the score cards, only to knock someone out in between 13-15th rounds. LaMotta was tougher, Hagler was more skilled imo. LaMotta, though, was more or less a Super Middleweight, so he's naturally bigger than Hagler. This is one hell of a fight to determine, but I see it going the distance. Hagler aint going to knock out a prime LaMotta, and LaMotta isnt going to wear down a prime Hagler. I cant make a prediction, lol.

[mcvey]

Who wins? Why and how

If the Hagler who fought Duran and Antuofermo turns up he gets beat. If its the real Marvin he takes a hard fought dec.

[SuzieQ49]

Hagler did not hit with more power or better combinations than Robinson, under any circumstances. Not to mention the only time Ray stopped him over 15 was against a faded, badly weight drained LaMotta. No chance of a stoppage here.


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[GPater11093]

If the Hagler who fought Duran and Antuofermo turns up he gets beat. If its the real Marvin he takes a hard fought dec.

i think the hagler that fought Duran would do quite good here as he fought a tactical disciplined fight where he could out box LaMotta. i thought Duran hd alot to do with him looking bad

[turpinr]

Nothing could be farther from the truth. Take a look at some old films of LaMotta. He boxed from behind a busy jab, threw compact combinations, and worked upstairs and down. Hagler was not quite on the skill level of Jake. LaMotta by decision.

lamotta was very under-rated as a boxer and did indeed have a good jab.people over-look his boxing ability because of his obvious punch resistance.
i watched the second lamotta-bob murphy fight a bit ago and lamotta made a monkey out of murphy,made him miss often and countered with left hooks.
his body punches were beautiful to watch as he sits down on his punches.he managed to out-jab robinson for 10 rounds in their 6th fight till he ran out of gas.

i still don't think he'd beat hagler though.hagler's chin can't be considered any less thad lamottas,he has a longer reach,punches harder and is a better boxer .
he would have to box against lamotta and would get the decision,no knock downs obviously

[MrPook]

Hagler UD. Hagler is the bigger man and the better boxer.

[Dave's Top Ten]

i think the hagler that fought Duran would do quite good here as he fought a tactical disciplined fight where he could out box LaMotta. i thought Duran hd alot to do with him looking bad

Exactly ! I don't think Hagler wants to brawl with the Bull. Safety first boxing was actually Hagler's natural state, and it would serve him well here. :good

[GPater11093]

Exactly ! I don't think Hagler wants to brawl with the Bull. Safety first boxing was actually Hagler's natural state, and it would serve him well here. :good

agree here he has to box the bull wo win i think the way he fought Briscoe would work very welll

[JIm Broughton]

Hagler by decision. Jake will certainly have his moments but Marvin's reach and precision boxing will see him to victory. Hagler at MW was a bit better than Robinson(And only a bit at that) but it would be enough to win. LaMotta certainly wasn't primitive and I've begun to have more respect for him as a complete fighter but Hagler is a sleeker more powerful model if you will. Both have cast iron chins so there's no KO in this one but Marvin's piston like jab and greater reach will do it imo.

[laxpdx]

Hagler by clear UD. Marvin would never be in danger of losing, but Jake's toughness keeps him in it.

Not that I think Hagler couldn't stop LaMotta if he really tried, though.