Maccarinelli to split from Team Calzaghe ?

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Frank ****** has been very critical of Maccarinelli's training for his fight with Ola Afolabi, saying he didn't spar or prepare properly. Enzo Calzaghe said he lost because he hadn't fought for a year and was ring-rusty. ****** said that was crap - he hadn't been prepared properly.

Could this lead to a split from Team Calzaghe? The bubble's definitely burst there, with Gavin Rees and Big Mac losing their world titles, and Joe retiring.


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[brown bomber]

If I was Enzo i'd be on my toes to Manchester. Home of the best trainers in boxing. :-)

[toffeejack]

Not sure if he'll leave Calzaghe where would he go?

I am sure he wouldn't leave Swansea to live somewhere else either he's born and bred here and loves the place.

Tough situation for him no doubt.

[Primadonna Kool]

If I was Enzo i'd be on my toes to Manchester. Home of the best trainers in boxing. :-)

No.

[bored]

He said on the boxing hour he didn't do any sparring. Now i'm no expert but surely sparring is one of the most obvious things to do in the lead up to a fight.

I like Enzo so I hope he does well but he just seems to be short of world level for me. Too many flaws. Anyway he obviously had to do something so that the next time he fights there might have actually been some improvement but realistically I think he should just concentrate on European level.

I'm not surprised that ****** told him to leave after Joe took a few quid off him though. :D

[JonOli]

In his post match interview I got the feeling that he was hinting that he may have to have a rethink about training ie change trainers. About how "something always comes up" - refering to the court case perhaps.

I could have got the wrong end of the stick though as he didn't say it directly.

[kosaros]

Not sure if he'll leave Calzaghe where would he go?

I am sure he wouldn't leave Swansea to live somewhere else either he's born and bred here and loves the place.

Tough situation for him no doubt.

I am sure if he cared about his career enough he would move to a different trainer if it were to help him, even if he were to leave his 'comfort zone'.

[Gaz S]

If I was Enzo i'd be on my toes to Manchester. Home of the best trainers in boxing. :-)


I've always been a really big fan of Brian Hughes. Think the guy is class and a quality trainer. I actually think his calm approach would be better suited to Maccarinelli than all that screaming and bawling (and slapping!) that Enzo Calzaghe does.
Saturday Enzo was blowing himself out and Calzaghe only encouraged it with all his screaming and firing Enzo up. Enzo didn't need firing up, but rather calming down - taking a step back and relaxing more, picking his shots rather than go all guns blazing.

Maccarinelli needs to be more of a boxer (box-puncher) than a fighter, with his long rangy style. Don't want to risk too many clips on the chin, as it has let him down several times now.

[Primadonna Kool]

Enzo Calzaghe is a legend..

[brown bomber]

I've always been a really big fan of Brian Hughes. Think the guy is class and a quality trainer. I actually think his calm approach would be better suited to Maccarinelli than all that screaming and bawling (and slapping!) that Enzo Calzaghe does.
Saturday Enzo was blowing himself out and Calzaghe only encouraged it with all his screaming and firing Enzo up. Enzo didn't need firing up, but rather calming down - taking a step back and relaxing more, picking his shots rather than go all guns blazing.

Maccarinelli needs to be more of a boxer (box-puncher) than a fighter, with his long rangy style. Don't want to risk too many clips on the chin, as it has let him down several times now.Thats exactly what he needed... If he'd have given himself room he certainly wouldn't have been tagged with nearly as many shots.. Have you boxed yourself Gaz?

Personally I think London would be best for Enzo... I think someone like Jim Mcdonnald would have the right contacts and has experiance in training fighters with similer issues. They'd also be bags of sprring in London. I also think a move to light heavy might be fruitful. His physical advantages might make him start using those excellent skills he had when he turned pro. Plus his power would prob go down with him. That former Cruiser champion tag would certainly help him get a world title shot and for me there is something very impressive about afighter winning world titles going down in weight. Dariuz michelzewski did it with the WBO cruiser title.

[barrington]

Enzo Calzaghe is a MUPPET and is a shyte trainer.If Mac has any ideas or is to have any hope of doing anything with his career he needs to moce camp and change trainers.

[GPater11093]

jeff why dont you offer to train him

[debaser]

I'm certain there wouldn't be any hard feelings if he decided to move on. It's his career and he needs do whatever he thinks is necessary to get himself back on track. Maybe a change in training methods and a stint working away from home would do him good.

If he does decide to leave I personally think he should go to the US and work with a top American trainer like a Freddie Roach or Nazim Richardson. Then at least when he looks back on his career he can rest assured that he did everything in his power to make the most of his talent.

He'd have to dig into his own pocket to fund it himself but given that he drives a Ferrari it appears that he could definitely afford to do this. Sell that if necessary and it would cover most of the expenses.

Whatever he decides to do he'll be world champion again I'm sure. He just needs to grit his teeth, get back to basics and start working his way back into contention.

[brown bomber]

I don't think he's a shite trainer, and when I saw him on 24/7 he came across pretty well but stuff like this.....
AqHUrz7YFXk Yep Haye was terrified, Enzo tactics were completely crazy....

k3LuVJqYtgk&feature=channel He knew how to beat Hopkins? He's only seen one tape....... Not by my reckoning. Hopkins got stiffed.

vZGjBueayog Bless gary.... good fighter, never got to prove it..... Bad tactics..

[Decebal]

...sounds like a good idea.:good

Bit too late, though, isn't it?

[brown bomber]

jeff why dont you offer to train him:lol: I've got many years of experiance to gain before i'd try and take charge of any fighter.

[brown bomber]

I'm certain there wouldn't be any hard feelings if he decided to move on. It's his career and he needs do whatever he thinks is necessary to get himself back on track. Maybe a change in training methods and a stint working away from home would do him good.

If he does decide to leave I personally think he should go to the US and work with a top American trainer like a Freddie Roach or Nazim Richardson. Then at least when he looks back on his career he can rest assured that he did everything in his power to make the most of his talent.

He'd have to dig into his own pocket to fund it himself but given that he drives a Ferrari it appears that he could definitely afford to do this. Sell that if necessary and it would cover most of the expenses.

Whatever he decides to do he'll be world champion again I'm sure. He just needs to grit his teeth, get back to basics and start working his way back into contention.What do you think of a switch to light heavy? I'd like Enzo to do well he's a gent.

[bored]

:lol: I've got many years of experiance to gain before i'd try and take charge of any fighter.
Few months in and you're being talked about alongside Freddie Roach and Nazim Richardson. You've got skills mate. :D

[brown bomber]

Few months in and you're being talked about alongside Freddie Roach and Nazim Richardson. You've got skills mate. :D:lol: Well you know.....

[Primadonna Kool]

I think Enzo Calzaghe can take over, the CW Divo..

[debaser]

What do you think of a switch to light heavy? I'd like Enzo to do well he's a gent.

He sure is. Can't see him ever being able 175 mate. I know he's spoken about it himself but I think it would be Chris Byrd esque disaster.

[brown bomber]

True There seems to be a big drop in speed between light heavy and cruiser

[billy nelson]

big enzo will stay with wee enzo and become a champion again at cruiser

[Gaz S]

Thats exactly what he needed... If he'd have given himself room he certainly wouldn't have been tagged with nearly as many shots.. Have you boxed yourself Gaz?.

I used to box as a schoolboy, but was just mediocre really. I could look after myself in the ring but had no real exceptional talent of my own, and plus health reasons (asthma) hindered me greatly.
I now coach amateurs at the moment, but within the next year to 18 months I'll be looking to take steps towards acquiring a pro trainer's license.

I also think a move to light heavy might be fruitful. His physical advantages might make him start using those excellent skills he had when he turned pro. Plus his power would prob go down with him. That former Cruiser champion tag would certainly help him get a world title shot and for me there is something very impressive about afighter winning world titles going down in weight. Dariuz michelzewski did it with the WBO cruiser title.

I don't know. I'm not sure how the weight drop would effect him, but I see it a very tough time in the cruisers for him. In a division that has guys like Adamek, Cunningham, Bell, Huck, Banks, Hide, G. Jones and peripherals like Godfrey, Wlodarczyk (sp?!), Flores, etc it's a very tough division to compete in. If he is to make any progress at all then he needs to make some big changes, and I believe that means changing his trainer/training camp.
Calzaghe is great when things go well, but when the shit hits the fan there's no real answer from him.

[Primadonna Kool]

big enzo will stay with wee enzo and become a champion again at cruiser

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[Jude]

Here we go again, enzo lost because he underestimated his apponent and over estimated his ability. Its his fault.

[p.Townend]

He should stick with Enzo Calzaghe,i give Joe and his dad loads of stick on here,but being serious if big mac wants to come back he should stay at Newbridge.Calzaghe has been in his corner for all his big wins and up untill Saturday things have been good(the Haye fight is a different matter,big fight big money and it could not be turned down)Enzo Calzaghe is a decent man and wil accept his share of the blame and will try and make the changes needed to turn the situation around.As i said i post some daft stuff about the Calzaghes`s but the Newbridge lads have done us proud over the last few years and it would be a shame if fighters starting leaving Enzo`s gym beacause of one bad weekend.Saying Brad Pryce needs a new trainer is just wrong,Enzo Calzaghe has made the guy a good fighter and helped him make a few quid.I hope all Enzo`s fighters stand by him.

[king s]

i cant belive he didnt have no sparing at all in the build up 2 the fight.

[Kid Lucky]

No sparring before a fight - especially as he's hardly fought for a year is pretty shocking and a decent excuse for being sluggish so, for once, I'm with ****** on this.

I feel really sorry for Mac who comes across as a real family man who's dedicated to the game but has been in the wrong place at the wrong time what with the split between ****** and Calzaghe.

He should move to get decent sparring at least. I guess he could stay with Enzo C in his corner on fight night and for most of the training but I get the sense that there is no middle way for Enzo C, he's in charge or there's the door. At some point Mac will be leaving so he should look to do so now I think.

[Betty Swollocks]

Here we go again, enzo lost because he underestimated his apponent and over estimated his ability. Its his fault.


totally agree. Macca fell in love with his power becuse he spent so long getting easy opponents to knock over. Ofolabi is no great but he knows his way around the ring and was not intimidated, you can tell he's worked with guys like James Toney in that gym, very cool and relaxed in the ring and some slick moves. Yep, he knows how to handle himself. As streetwise in the ring as Macca is naive.

[billy nelson]

ha ha

[debaser]

He should stick with Enzo Calzaghe,i give Joe and his dad loads of stick on here,but being serious if big mac wants to come back he should stay at Newbridge.Calzaghe has been in his corner for all his big wins and up untill Saturday things have been good(the Haye fight is a different matter,big fight big money and it could not be turned down)Enzo Calzaghe is a decent man and wil accept his share of the blame and will try and make the changes needed to turn the situation around.As i said i post some daft stuff about the Calzaghes`s but the Newbridge lads have done us proud over the last few years and it would be a shame if fighters starting leaving Enzo`s gym beacause of one bad weekend.Saying Brad Pryce needs a new trainer is just wrong,Enzo Calzaghe has made the guy a good fighter and helped him make a few quid.I hope all Enzo`s fighters stand by him.

I'll second this!

[tonysaprano]

If I was Enzo i'd be on my toes to Manchester. Home of the best trainers in boxing. :-)


Yeah, all the trainer in Manchester think they are the best:lol: I could name a few fuck ups but aint going to go down that line

[Lee Mc]

David Haye or Adam Booth (I can't remember which now) said after the Haye vs Enzo fight that Enzo Calzaghe is trying to get all his fighters to fight like Joe. I don't completely agree with that but it does have some truth in it.

It depends on what Enzo wants. I've never heard anything other than he is a normal guy who loves being near his family and friends around the area he grew up in. So he may be happy just to stay where he is. He's a nice guy Enzo (M) and maybe he's just happy being him.

[BUGS]

ha ha enzo talks shit ...but hes funny reminds abit like Herbie hide when being interview ...talks shit ....but funny .

[surreal deal]

:lol: I've got many years of experiance to gain before i'd try and take charge of any fighter.
Always be chewing gum and say 'at the end of the day' a lot,and you're halfway there Jeff.

[jc]

If Enzo concentrated on winning rounds instead of looking for the stoppage, he wouldve beaten Ola comfortably. He needs a plan B, at the moment pressure and power is all he has, id like to see more diversity from him.

I think he'd win a rematch tbh.

[yesihavearm2]

Enzo Maccarinelli has one of the worst glass jaw's in the sport, I used to support him being from Swansea myself but he cant compete at World level with that chin.

He should retire before he gets seriously hurt, he's a nice guy after all.

[brown bomber]

A plan b like Gary locketts?

[UndisputedUK]

...sounds like a good idea.:good

Bit too late, though, isn't it?

Being knocked out in two Bogus title fights surely entitles you to keep your rating?

[9Ball]

If Macca gets out of the Calzaghe stable soon he still has a chance of becoming a very very good fighter. Otherwise it will be a painful end to a promising career. Shame as he seems a decent chap.

[Jude]

totally agree. Macca fell in love with his power becuse he spent so long getting easy opponents to knock over. Ofolabi is no great but he knows his way around the ring and was not intimidated, you can tell he's worked with guys like James Toney in that gym, very cool and relaxed in the ring and some slick moves. Yep, he knows how to handle himself. As streetwise in the ring as Macca is naive.

What do you think is his next move?

[John18]

Jeff - I not convinced the big guy is a gent. He hasn't handled himself well at all since Haye KO'd Mormeck. His jealousy that night was terrible, then his refusal to give Haye any credit for KOing him, now his refusal to give Ola any credit. I used to think he was a nice guy, not so sure now.

I thin k his big problem is his "huge power" (TM Calzaghe gym). His Huge power seems to go missing when fighting anyone other than a 14 stone binman.

He has only fought 3 fighters anywhere near or above true Euro level. Braithwaite, Haye, Ola. He never KO'd any of them and got KO'd by 2 of them.

I'd love to get behind him again. Show a bit of humility and change trainers. Start at a shot at the European Title.

[doug.ie]

I've always been a really big fan of Brian Hughes. Think the guy is class and a quality trainer. I actually think his calm approach would be better suited to Maccarinelli than all that screaming and bawling (and slapping!) that Enzo Calzaghe does.
Saturday Enzo was blowing himself out and Calzaghe only encouraged it with all his screaming and firing Enzo up. Enzo didn't need firing up, but rather calming down - taking a step back and relaxing more, picking his shots rather than go all guns blazing.

Maccarinelli needs to be more of a boxer (box-puncher) than a fighter, with his long rangy style. Don't want to risk too many clips on the chin, as it has let him down several times now.


gaz..i have a high opinion of you after that post :-)
i couldnt have put it any better.

enzo mac cn be a lot better than that loss.

[Danny]

If Enzo's hand is forced I reckon he will leave the Newbridge gym. I mean, ****** pays Maccarinelli, Enzo Calzaghe does not pay him!

Anyway, what do all these guys expect? There was bound to be a conflict of interest there because quite honestly, Mr ****** has just been ordered to pay Joe Calzaghe the best part of £2M. I do not think he will takes kindly to having to fork out that sort of cash!

Nonetheless, if that's what Joe is entitled to, what he should receive for his pursue for Hopkins the good luck to him! The fighters are the ones who do the fighting!

[Gaz S]

gaz..i have a high opinion of you after that post :-)
i couldnt have put it any better.

enzo mac cn be a lot better than that loss.


:good Cheers Doug

[FLINT ISLAND]

There must be a real concern about Enzo being mentally damaged after the David Haye fight

He refused to give Haye credit and said he made a "mistake" - fair enough everyone makes mistakes

But nown he got knocked out again he has said that Ola would not beat him if they fought another million times

The worry here is Enzo is starting to sound a bit like Audley Harrison - denying everything

I thought the Ola fight was a worse defeat for Enzo than Haye because it was a more true battle that dragged on into the later rounds

But Enzo has claimed that there was something worng with him and Ola would never beat him if they fought another million times

I think Enzo might have been mentally scarred after these two losses and is a bit in denial

[FLINT ISLAND]

Enzo is a nice guy - but it seems his ego wont allow to give the other guys credit for beating him

Haye you could put it down to a mistake

But Ola deserves some credit he fought a smart fight and hurt Enzo bad in the 3rd round and nailed him with a beauty of a punch

But Enzo thinks was all his own fault and would never happen again even if they fought a million times over

[Betty Swollocks]

Enzo is a nice guy - but it seems his ego wont allow to give the other guys credit for beating him

Haye you could put it down to a mistake

But Ola deserves some credit he fought a smart fight and hurt Enzo bad in the 3rd round and nailed him with a beauty of a punch

But Enzo thinks was all his own fault and would never happen again even if they fought a million times over


what was the mistake against Haye? :huh
he was bitter when Haye beat Mormeck, talked bollocks when Haye smashed him and is talking bollocks now Ola smashed him. He's making an arse of himself, nice guy or not.

[FLINT ISLAND]

what was the mistake against Haye? :huh
beat he was bitter when Haye beat Mormeck, talked bollocks when Haye smashed him and is talking bollocks now Ola smashed him. He's making an arse of himself, nice guy or not.


:think..............thats a intresting comment - I have not heard that said before

Can you explain in detail what you mean by that statment?

Why bitter that Haye beat Mormeck that set up a fight for him with Haye and secured his biggest payday and shot at the WBC / WBA titles in Britain

None of that would have happened if Haye had lost

So why would he be bitter that Haye beat Mormeck ?

[Betty Swollocks]

:think..............thats a intresting comment - I have not heard that said before

Can you explain in detail what you mean by that statment?

Why bitter that Haye beat Mormeck that set up a fight for him with Haye and secured his biggest payday and shot at the WBC / WBA titles in Britain

None of that would have happened if Haye had lost

So why would he be bitter that Haye beat Mormeck ?


there's a video on youtube of him on Bunce's show the day after and he's basically being a bit of a cunt about Haye's win. Seemed to be revelling in the fact that Haye got 'dropped heavilllyyyy' etc. Well Enzo, at least he didn't get well and truly banjoed like you 3 times now.
Probably a bit of jealousy.

[FLINT ISLAND]

can you post that video on here? - I aint seen that

[FLINT ISLAND]

there's a video on youtube of him on Bunce's show the day after and he's basically being a bit of a cunt about Haye's win. Seemed to be revelling in the fact that Haye got 'dropped heavilllyyyy' etc. Well Enzo, at least he didn't get well and truly banjoed like you 3 times now.
Probably a bit of jealousy.

maybe so he only human and everyone can feel the twinge of jeaolusy now and again

after all Haye did win the WBC / WBA titles that night - the very titles Enzo wanted for himself

[Grievesy]

I don't like how he refuses to give people credit when they spark him fair and square. He's starting to come across as a twat. Having said that, coming into a fight like that with no sparring is retarded to say the least. I think he should move camp where not only will he actually get some sparring, but sparring with boxers his own weight.

[Guy]

"I think Enzo might have been mentally scarred after these two losses and is a bit in denial"


You hit the button there, the biggest test of his career getting knocked out and then getting knocked out in the comeback fight.
I would hate to put myself self in those shoes, mentally the feeling of failure must eat you from the inside out.

It's a hard fact to take that your not going to hit the heights you envisioned and for a boxer the outlook appears narrower, and it must become harder to motivate yourself.

[FLINT ISLAND]

It seems now that the quest to become a unifed world champion WBO/WBC/WBA/IBF - is out of his grasp and he may never fufill what he believed he was going to

[DamonD]

"I think Enzo might have been mentally scarred after these two losses and is a bit in denial"

You hit the button there, the biggest test of his career getting knocked out and then getting knocked out in the comeback fight.
I would hate to put myself self in those shoes, mentally the feeling of failure must eat you from the inside out.

It's a hard fact to take that your not going to hit the heights you envisioned and for a boxer the outlook appears narrower, and it must become harder to motivate yourself.
Very true, coming back from a hard-fought points loss is one thing but a fight where the other guy knocked you out...that's tough, no matter who you are.

Enzo seemed to be in denial after the Haye loss and now this one too. He's trying to shore up his confidence but I said several times during the months after the Haye loss that his refusal to accept and understand why he lost that fight would lead to him losing again down the road, and it's already happened.

He needs to really be honest with himself, not all this blood testing nonsense.

[brown bomber]

The thing with a KO is there is nothing you can do about it.... You are physically beaten. If you lose on points you can change your strategy. train harder. Its easier to rectify then been KO'd in that manner.

Enzo's game plan was all wrong. He had no plan b. His infighting was absolutely terrible. Watch Jamie Moore go to work on the inside and then compare it to Enzo's effort the other night. Enzo could have won that fight at middle distance, where his punching power and creativity are at there most effective. Instead he went to the inside smothered his work and left so many holes in defence that his opponent simply had to take the KO oppertunity.

Truth is, as impressive as Ola was, any fighter with an ounce of nouse about them would have beaten enzo the other night. Imagine what a prime Carl Thompson or Jonny Nelson would have done?

Enzo's talent should not be allowed to waste away.

[Beeston Brawler]

I agree with Adam Booth on Maccarinelli.

For the 1st and probably only time!

[Cobbler]

what was the mistake against Haye? :huh


Accidently signing the contract, iirc.

[kieron]

I think a move to the US would be the best thing for him. Much better quality sparring would be the key. I've said it before and I'll say it again, he'll never make light-heavy in a month of sundays. Where would he lose 2 stone from? He would be depleted to shit and it's a pointless excercise as his power and stamina would be drained away.

[Cobbler]

Stamina?

[Max Molyneux]

If I was Enzo i'd be on my toes to Manchester. Home of the best trainers in boxing. :-)

They train fighters to be more pressure and agression than defence.

Enzo C did get Enzo Mac to use his jab and range more at first but they both messed up the Ola fight. Enzo C isn't the best trainer but he's not as bad as made out, for the experiance he has he ain't bad. Mac still needs a new trainer though.

[threethirteen]

I would worry seeing how badly Enzo was slurring his words after the KO by a non-puncher. I think Haye permanently damaged him with that final flurry when Macca was tumbling against the ropes. It seems to have sapped all his punch resistance and confidence.

He looked dreadful from the opening rounds - he was winning but always looked like he couldn't figure out what to do.

Anyway, you ask why he didn't stand at mid-range? Cause he kept getting clipped by his opponent and he was feeling it everytime. He hoped by being in close that he could smother the other guy's work. Alas...

I agree with Jeff, he needs a trainer to help him develop and inside game. Some uppercuts could have made all the difference.

[196osh]

I think it would be a good idea.

[FLINT ISLAND]

I dont think he would move to the US - just cos I dont think it would be worth it.

Now he has been knocked down to British / Euro level after that loss - whats the point going the other side of the world then coming back to Britain just to fight a non title fight 10 rounder for a average purse.

I think he is more likely to retire than move to the USA.

London or Manchester are more realistic options.

[brown bomber]

I dont think he would move to the US - just cos I dont think it would be worth it.

Now he has been knocked down to British / Euro level after that loss - whats the point going the other side of the world then coming back to Britain just to fight a non title fight 10 rounder for a average purse.

I think he is more likely to retire than move to the USA.

London or Manchester are more realistic options. I agree. Your talking about a fighter that thinks he is a world champion. Deposed or otherwise. This isn't some guy just on his way through. Shame really.

[threethirteen]

Who will he fight next then? How does he start again?

[brown bomber]

They train fighters to be more pressure and agression than defence.

Enzo C did get Enzo Mac to use his jab and range more at first but they both messed up the Ola fight. Enzo C isn't the best trainer but he's not as bad as made out, for the experiance he has he ain't bad. Mac still needs a new trainer though.Come on Max he's been in the corner for nearly 30 world title fights by my reckoning... Thats a pretty huge learning curve - but he can't get Enzo M to use his jab and straight punches against a lazy infighter who did not want to engage at middle distance. I'm a bit harsh on Enzo C he comes across as a good dude. But i'm sure others agree.

[brown bomber]

Who will he fight next then? How does he start again?I'm not sure mate.... A change, there really has to be. Either his trainer- or his weight division. He needs to breath new life and motivation into his career. Its unsettling that he would rather train in Swansea then go to newbridge... or just make some quality arrangements for that particular fight. Those kind of decisions reek of lack of motivation.

[threethirteen]

I honestly believe that he's suffering from depression following his loss to Haye. If ****** had gotten him some stay busy fights rather than let him sit and ponder, he might have come through.

He tried to make excuses that, against Haye, he made a mistake getting in the ring (which he still won't specify). He made excuses that, in the ring, he made a mistake. But, these excuses haven't emboldened him - they've just made it more difficult for him to work on his failings.

Enzo knows that he's well below David Haye and, after all those years saying that he was so great and was the best in the world, he realised just how much ****** had to do with that delusional sense of superiority.

He seems like an ok guy, but a bad loser with a seriously arrogant streak. That seems to be the cause of his poor motivation as much as anything.

[mrbassie]

He tried to make excuses that, against Haye, he made a mistake getting in the ring (which he still won't specify). He made excuses that, in the ring, he made a mistake. But, these excuses haven't emboldened him - they've just made it more difficult for him to work on his failings.


I assume he means that when he hit Haye with a left in the first and he stumbled that he didn't follow up. Either that or getting smashed in the face, usually a mistake.

[FLINT ISLAND]

I assume he means that when he hit Haye with a left in the first and he stumbled that he didn't follow up. Either that or getting smashed in the face, usually a mistake.


No he said what he meant

For those still wondering what the mistake was - this is what he said

something along the lines of this

"I spent 10 weeks training with my hands up and my chin down.....................................................................
But in the fight I did exactly what I was told not to do....................
I dropped my hands and put my chin in the air and got caught"

that was the mistake

[FLINT ISLAND]

"I'm man enough to admit I made a mistake" - Enzo Maccarnelli

[FLINT ISLAND]

To be honest if Enzo continues to start making excuses for getting knocked out he is going to start losing crediabilty.

L KO 3 Lee Swaby.......................He said he was still hung over from the night before from out drinking with the boys

L TKO 2 David Haye....................He said he made a mistake

L KO 10 Ola Aflobi...........................Something wrong with his blood and that he would beat Ola everytime if they fought another million times

This is why I am starting to think if Enzo is mentally damaged after the turn of misfortune in his career

Because he is starting to remind me of Audley Harrison

[threethirteen]

But not man enough to admit that Haye was already catching him before he put his "chin in the air"?

Poor show.

The glanicing shot that saw Haye trip, not get stung, tells me that if Enzo had charged in he'd have gotten done even quicker. As it was, he should be glad he made it to the second round.

[threethirteen]

Either that or getting smashed in the face, usually a mistake.

So I hear.

[FLINT ISLAND]

But not man enough to admit that Haye was already catching him before he put his "chin in the air"?

Poor show.

The glanicing shot that saw Haye trip, not get stung, tells me that if Enzo had charged in he'd have gotten done even quicker. As it was, he should be glad he made it to the second round.

I wish Enzo had knocked Haye out

I thought Enzo was going to win - as Haye was there to be taken

But to be honest that stumble in the first round was just Haye off balance and had nothing to do with Enzo cacthing him, its clucthing at straws to think that had any signifcance in the fight

[Grant1]

No he said what he meant

For those still wondering what the mistake was - this is what he said

something along the lines of this

"I spent 10 weeks training with my hands up and my chin down.....................................................................
But in the fight I did exactly what I was told not to do....................
I dropped my hands and put my chin in the air and got caught"

that was the mistake

That's not it Flint.

I don't know the exact quote but he said that in the run up to the fight he made one of the biggest mistakes of his life.

[FLINT ISLAND]

That's not it Flint.

I don't know the exact quote but he said that in the run up to the fight he made one of the biggest mistakes of his life.


Yes thats right you remind me now

He did say what I quoted

But yes - he also said he made a big mistake on the week of the fight

It has never been revealed what ???????????

[brown bomber]

Yes thats right you remind me now

He did say what I quoted

But yes - he also said he made a big mistake on the week of the fight

It has never been revealed what ???????????Hmmm what could it be?

[FLINT ISLAND]

Hmmm what could it be?

Obviously something with his preparation that went wrong

But with one week left most of the bulk of his serious training would be done

So what went wrong with just one week left?

[debaser]

I think this thread's gone a bit stale now. The fight was over a week ago. Lets talk about more pressing issues like why Froch is dicking about doing tv and radio interviews when the biggest fight of his life is only 5 weeks away. Wtf?

[brown bomber]

I think this thread's gone a bit stale now. The fight was over a week ago. Lets talk about more pressing issues like why Froch is dicking about doing tv and radio interviews when the biggest fight of his life is only 5 weeks away. Wtf?Very true... start a thread. Lets tear him a new one.

[Grant1]

Hmmm what could it be?

I've met Enzo many times and he is a top, top bloke (even if he is a Jack) and I don't believe for a second he would lie.

I genuinely think he believes that this 'mistake' cost him a chance of winning the fight.

Unfortunately I don't subscribe to that.

Regardless of the mistake I think Haye beats him 9 times out of 10.

[FLINT ISLAND]

I've met Enzo many times and he is a top, top bloke (even if he is a Jack) and I don't believe for a second he would lie.

I genuinely think he believes that this 'mistake' cost him a chance of winning the fight.

Unfortunately I don't subscribe to that.

Regardless of the mistake I think Haye beats him 9 times out of 10.


do you have any idea what the mistake was though?

[threethirteen]

Does Enzo have any idea what the mistake was?

[threethirteen]

But to be honest that stumble in the first round was just Haye off balance and had nothing to do with Enzo cacthing him, its clucthing at straws to think that had any signifcance in the fight

Flint, it's actually refreshing to see you post something like that. That is 100% the correct answer, whatever garbage John Rawling spouted.

[Grant1]

do you have any idea what the mistake was though?

No - I don't know what HE believes the mistake is.

I don't think there is a mistake he can rectify to change much against Haye in all honesty.

However, I think he can obliterate Ola in a rematch.

[FLINT ISLAND]

No - I don't know what HE believes the mistake is.

I don't think there is a mistake he can rectify to change much against Haye in all honesty.

However, I think he can obliterate Ola in a rematch.

Ola is a realitsitc rematch - lets get it on

[Grant1]

Ola is a realitsitc rematch - lets get it on

CIA or the Liberty.

Get Pryce and Rees on the undercard.

[FLINT ISLAND]

If its down the Liberty I will probaly go - down WInd street after then to sink a few pints !!!

[Grant1]

If its down the Liberty I will probaly go - down WInd street after then to sink a few pints !!!

I'm down there regular watching the Ospreys.

Going to Munster in 3 weeks to see the O's in European 1/4 final.

Can't stick your football side though.

[FLINT ISLAND]

I'm down there regular watching the Ospreys.

Going to Munster in 3 weeks to see the O's in European 1/4 final.

Can't stick your football side though.


what pubs / clubs to you go in on wind street?

[Grant1]

what pubs / clubs to you go in on wind street?

Only go there on nights out.

If I'm down for the rugby I go to the Mex.