Marciano vs. Morrison

[KobeIsGod]

Who wins?

I think this is pretty intriguing. Morrison seems almost like a poor man's Tyson. Tremendous physical tools. Come foward pucher who usually throws power shots dispensing w/the jab. Certainly, he lacks tyson's defense and movement. He had a great left hook, but from all accounts, his training and dedication left something to be desired.

Seems Morrison's best weight was around 220ish just like Tyson. Marciano would be giving up around 35 pounds. Most Tyson/Marciano polls seem to be 66/34 in favor of Tyson.

IMO, Morrison seems to be viewed as a flop in general but he did UD Foreman right before George stopped Moorer. I think he gets a bad rap w/his chin (Mercer fight), it was his poor work ethic and lifestyle which prevented him from fulfilling his potential.

I think Marciano gets knocked down early in the first by a left w/Morrison carrying the fight for 2/3 rounds. Then Marciano kicks it into another gear and his workrate and iron will overwhelm Morrison by the 9/10.

[mcvey]

Who wins?

I think this is pretty intriguing. Morrison seems almost like a poor man's Tyson. Tremendous physical tools. Come foward pucher who usually throws power shots dispensing w/the jab. Certainly, he lacks tyson's defense and movement. He had a great left hook, but from all accounts, his training and dedication left something to be desired.

Seems Morrison's best weight was around 220ish just like Tyson. Marciano would be giving up around 35 pounds. Most Tyson/Marciano polls seem to be 66/34 in favor of Tyson.

IMO, Morrison seems to be viewed as a flop in general but he did UD Foreman right before George stopped Moorer. I think he gets a bad rap w/his chin (Mercer fight), it was his poor work ethic and lifestyle which prevented him from fulfilling his potential.

I think Marciano gets knocked down early in the first by a left w/Morrison carrying the fight for 2/3 rounds. Then Marciano kicks it into another gear and his workrate and iron will overwhelm Morrison by the 9/10.
Both could whack but Rocky could do it witrh both hands ,plus he had a better chin and bags more stamina Marciano by Ko similar to the Mercer one.

[Bad_Intentions]

marciano KO 10th round.

[Jack Dempsey]

Marciano brutal KO

[brooklyn1550]

Marciano by KO

[FlatNose]

This would be a fast paced,wicked brawl. With Morrisons hand speed, Tommy would have no problem finding Marciano but Marcianos granite chin would diffuse Morrisons bombs.As the fight wore on Rocky would get inside more and more.The Duke would be taking punishment to the arms, hips, kidneys, and the back of his head as well as his rib cage and stomach.Uppercuts on the inside by Morrison would cut Rocky,and stop him in his tracks, but the Brockton Blockbuster would always wade in again and again.Over a period of time, Tommy would be busted up as well, and the rough pace of the fight would take its toll on Morrison especially.Somewhere around the midway point of a 15 round fight, Marciano would crack Tommy with a hellacious right (the suzie-Q) , and while Morrison sank to the floor , The Rock would hit him thrice more.Tommy lands in a heap,the referee waves his arms, the ringside doctor flies into the ring to attend to the quivering, semi-consious Morrison, and Marciano is greeted by his handlers as he calmly walks back to his corner.

[buddynabuick]

Who wins?

I think this is pretty intriguing. Morrison seems almost like a poor man's Tyson. Tremendous physical tools. Come foward pucher who usually throws power shots dispensing w/the jab. Certainly, he lacks tyson's defense and movement. He had a great left hook, but from all accounts, his training and dedication left something to be desired.

Seems Morrison's best weight was around 220ish just like Tyson. Marciano would be giving up around 35 pounds. Most Tyson/Marciano polls seem to be 66/34 in favor of Tyson.

IMO, Morrison seems to be viewed as a flop in general but he did UD Foreman right before George stopped Moorer. I think he gets a bad rap w/his chin (Mercer fight), it was his poor work ethic and lifestyle which prevented him from fulfilling his potential.

I think Marciano gets knocked down early in the first by a left w/Morrison carrying the fight for 2/3 rounds. Then Marciano kicks it into another gear and his workrate and iron will overwhelm Morrison by the 9/10.



I think Tommy was a better boxer, but Van (or even Jim) was a better singer

[Lacyace]

I think Marciano can get Morrison in 3 or 4.

[bumdujour]

simple as this: morrisons chins sucked!!!

thats a weakness you cant afford vs rocky.

here is what happens: faster morrison jumps on marciano, drills him with the hook....that backs up rocky. tommy comes in looking to take him out, slugs with rocky, takes a right and goes down face first.
gets up at nine. rocky comes after him, puts him in the ropes, drills him with the hook and a right.
morrison goes through the ropes and straight to the hospital.

[Senya13]

Marciano's chin was never really tested against super heavyweights, so I'd give Morrison a chance for early KO.

[Rock0052]

I think Rocky would KO him, as this is a bad style matchup for the Duke. Facing someone with that kind of one hit power, workrate, and chin always adds up the wrong way for Tommy.

Tommy probably would've busted Rocky up a little though- Rocky was there to get hit, and Morrison would've landed enough to let Rocky know he was in a fight. It would've been exciting while it lasted though.

[Bummy Davis]

Marciano by brutal KO

[ChrisPontius]

Marciano by brutal KO

There's no two ways about this one. Steroids couldn't help Morrisons chin and Marciano will find it with whatever hand lands first. Rocky by KO.

[Muchmoore]

I dont see any way Morrison wins. He might be able to stay away from Marciano for a couple of rounds like he did with Foreman, but even if he could Marciano is going to land and when he does it is over. Marcianos workrate was far too great for Morrison to last any more than 6 rounds.

[Luigi1985]

Ridiculous thread.

[Dempsey1238]

See the common Marciano haters, lol.

Who wins Marciano vs your Grandma. MY Grandma because 1 punch and she will ko that glass chin Marciano.

[Sweet Science]

Who wins?

I think this is pretty intriguing. Morrison seems almost like a poor man's Tyson. Tremendous physical tools. Come foward pucher who usually throws power shots dispensing w/the jab. Certainly, he lacks tyson's defense and movement. He had a great left hook, but from all accounts, his training and dedication left something to be desired.

Seems Morrison's best weight was around 220ish just like Tyson. Marciano would be giving up around 35 pounds. Most Tyson/Marciano polls seem to be 66/34 in favor of Tyson.

IMO, Morrison seems to be viewed as a flop in general but he did UD Foreman right before George stopped Moorer. I think he gets a bad rap w/his chin (Mercer fight), it was his poor work ethic and lifestyle which prevented him from fulfilling his potential.

I think Marciano gets knocked down early in the first by a left w/Morrison carrying the fight for 2/3 rounds. Then Marciano kicks it into another gear and his workrate and iron will overwhelm Morrison by the 9/10.

Marciano would kill Morrison. It wouldn't even be close.

Anyway, we know Tommy doesn't like fighting white men.
As he says "Blacks are only tough till you hurt em once then you own em" Just like he owned Mercer :yep

[KobeIsGod]

Ridiculous thread.

Why? One of the major criticisms of Marciano was the size of his opponents. Supposedly, he never faced any "big" skilled heavyweights. This is not the case w/Louis and Dempsey where it is argued they faced modern-sized heavyweights.

Morrison would have a 35 pound advantage and while not a great fighter at his best, he was at least decent to good. The Foreman fight tells me it was more his conditioning than chin contributing to his downfall.

Marciano would win, nevertheless, it is an interesting matchup since Morrison has a unique size and style when it comes to Rock's opponents. A very exciting fight w/multiple knockdowns. Sounds good to me.

[Ramon Rojo]

Morrison by brutal KO

[Dempsey1238]

Why? One of the major criticisms of Marciano was the size of his opponents. Supposedly, he never faced any "big" skilled heavyweights. This is not the case w/Louis and Dempsey where it is argued they faced modern-sized heavyweights.

Morrison would have a 35 pound advantage and while not a great fighter at his best, he was at least decent to good. The Foreman fight tells me it was more his conditioning than chin contributing to his downfall.

Marciano would win, nevertheless, it is an interesting matchup since Morrison has a unique size and style when it comes to Rock's opponents. A very exciting fight w/multiple knockdowns. Sounds good to me.

Dempsey never fought a "BIG SKILL" man either, and no Fred Fulton and Jess Willard dont count. Same goes for Louis. Marciano would have destory Willard, Buddy Baer, Primo Carnea and Fulton.

[red cobra]

Morrison may have had a few moments early on like he did against Mercer, but the relentless pressure would have caught up with him and Rocky would have literally beat him to a pulp. When you consider that Rocky was so much mentally tougher than Tommy, and soooo much better as a fighter than Ray Mercer, you have to realize that it wouldn't be much different than the ending of that Mercer fight. Morrison would be on the ropes, cross-eyed with his head looking up at the lights when that final right would hit him, I think he would have been pulverized.

[Executioner]

Marciano would murder him

[Ted Stickles]

Definately Rocky by KO!!!!!

[JIm Broughton]

Call me a heretic but I think Tommy stands a good chance in this one. He has a considerable size advantage as well as speed advantage. His hands traveled a lot faster than Rocky's and he hit just as hard. When Tommy chose to he employed a hard fast jab as well and his considerable reach advantage would be a big asset. As far as the chin goes did Rocky ever get hit by the likes of a Mercer or a Foreman or a Morrison for that matter? If Moore could deck him and Walcott as well are we to believe that a much bigger and faster Morrison who hit alot harder than either man could'nt do it as well? Sure Marciano had the punch to hurt or stop Morrison but with a 68" reach how the hell is he going to land it? This is a big modern HW we're talking about. not Don Cockell or Ted Lowry or even Rex Layne for that matter. All these men fought at a time when the pace of a fight was a lot slower than it is now. Kind of like a one and a two beat to a Lawrence Welk tune. Don't get me wrong. I'm not putting down fighters of that or previous eras. Relatively speaking they were every bit as good as todays fighters and better than some. But the considerable size and speed advantage of the modern fighter and athlete in general would probably too much even for a warrior like Marciano who is an all time great no matter what. It's just hard for me to envision a 5'11" fighter witha 68" reach beating a fighter with Morrison's size and ability. Make them both the same size and it's a different story but otherwise I'd go with Tommy, at least a well trained focus Tommy.

[Slothrop]

Marciano by K muthaf'kin O.

[Luigi1985]

Why? One of the major criticisms of Marciano was the size of his opponents. Supposedly, he never faced any "big" skilled heavyweights. This is not the case w/Louis and Dempsey where it is argued they faced modern-sized heavyweights.

Morrison would have a 35 pound advantage and while not a great fighter at his best, he was at least decent to good. The Foreman fight tells me it was more his conditioning than chin contributing to his downfall.

Marciano would win, nevertheless, it is an interesting matchup since Morrison has a unique size and style when it comes to Rock's opponents. A very exciting fight w/multiple knockdowns. Sounds good to me.


Sorry for sounding disrespectful, but look at this matchup: Morrison´s chin was really shaky, was KO´d by mediocre punchers like Bent, or against Mercer, and now you put him in the ring against one of the hardest punchers ever... that can´t last long, because of Marciano´s iron chin, if Rocky would also be shaky, than it would be interesting, but it isn´t so...

[Luigi1985]

Call me a heretic but I think Tommy stands a good chance in this one. He has a considerable size advantage as well as speed advantage. His hands traveled a lot faster than Rocky's and he hit just as hard. When Tommy chose to he employed a hard fast jab as well and his considerable reach advantage would be a big asset. As far as the chin goes did Rocky ever get hit by the likes of a Mercer or a Foreman or a Morrison for that matter? If Moore could deck him and Walcott as well are we to believe that a much bigger and faster Morrison who hit alot harder than either man could'nt do it as well? Sure Marciano had the punch to hurt or stop Morrison but with a 68" reach how the hell is he going to land it? This is a big modern HW we're talking about. not Don Cockell or Ted Lowry or even Rex Layne for that matter. All these men fought at a time when the pace of a fight was a lot slower than it is now. Kind of like a one and a two beat to a Lawrence Welk tune. Don't get me wrong. I'm not putting down fighters of that or previous eras. Relatively speaking they were every bit as good as todays fighters and better than some. But the considerable size and speed advantage of the modern fighter and athlete in general would probably too much even for a warrior like Marciano who is an all time great no matter what. It's just hard for me to envision a 5'11" fighter witha 68" reach beating a fighter with Morrison's size and ability. Make them both the same size and it's a different story but otherwise I'd go with Tommy, at least a well trained focus Tommy.


Some people must stop with that shit like "If fighter A can KD Fighter B, can you immagine what fighter C would do?", after this sentence, Ali for example wouldn´t have a chance against Liston, Frazier, Foreman, etc., and I could go on with 100 examples...

[janitor]

A more sensible match up would be Tommy Morrison vs Rex Layne.

That one isnt looking good for Morrison either.

[Bummy Davis]

Some people must stop with that shit like "If fighter A can KD Fighter B, can you immagine what fighter C would do?", after this sentence, Ali for example wouldn´t have a chance against Liston, Frazier, Foreman, etc., and I could go on with 100 examples...

GOOD POINT:good :good

[janitor]

[quote=JIm Broughton]As far as the chin goes did Rocky ever get hit by the likes of a Mercer or a Foreman or a Morrison for that matter? If Moore could deck him and Walcott as well are we to believe that a much bigger and faster Morrison who hit alot harder than either man could'nt do it as well?

The shots that Walcott and Moore used to put Marciano on the deck would have put Morison to sleep for a week.

Guys like that who can land a sneaky combination are a much stiffer test of a chin than a power puncher who is esentialy predictable. Even a superheavyweight.


All these men fought at a time when the pace of a fight was a lot slower than it is now. Kind of like a one and a two beat to a Lawrence Welk tune.


This is a quite extroardinary statment. Look at the punch stats for some of Marciano's fights and compare them to modern fights.

In the first Charles fight he esentialy matched the all time record punch output for a 12 round heavyweight fight over 15 rounds.

[DamonD]

Now I always liked watching Morrison fight, but this is a pretty unlikely match-up for the guy to win. It would have to be Marciano TKO for me...but I do think The Rock would definitely feel Morrison's punches for a while afterwards.

[Luigi1985]

GOOD POINT:good :good


:thumbsup

[Luigi1985]

Now I always liked watching Morrison fight, but this is a pretty unlikely match-up for the guy to win. It would have to be Marciano TKO for me...but I do think The Rock would definitely feel Morrison's punches for a while afterwards.


Exactly, hard puncher + iron chin against hard puncher + glass chin= KTFO for the 2nd guy...

a simply calculus, even for a non- math- specialist like me...

[Drofrah]

I think Marciano would be able to weather any storm Morrison would throw, and then dish out some finishing damage. Marciano KO middle rounds

[Bummy Davis]

[quote]

The shots that Walcott and Moore used to put Marciano on the deck would have put Morison to sleep for a week.

Guys like that who can land a sneaky combination are a much stiffer test of a chin than a power puncher who is esentialy predictable. Even a superheavyweight.



This is a quite extroardinary statment. Look at the punch stats for some of Marciano's fights and compare them to modern fights.

In the first Charles fight he esentialy matched the all time record punch output for a 12 round heavyweight fight over 15 rounds.


:good :good :good

[Black Eyes To You]

Marciano had sledgehammers. Get real. I loved watching Morrisson though (unlike most I think he was handing Mercer his ass before he got tied up in the ropes)(Poor ref work). He would of been counting the lights early in this fight. Tommy isn't in the same class as Marciano.

[He Hate Me]

as much as I dislike morrison he has advantages in many category's to suggest that he may have a fighting chance.

[Ted Stickles]

I think it would be like Mercer all over again for Morrison

[mcvey]

A more sensible match up would be Tommy Morrison vs Rex Layne.

That one isnt looking good for Morrison either.
Yes more realistic,and Id go with Rex!

[red cobra]

Morrison wasn't so bad really, He gets high points from me for the way he disciplined himself against Foreman, and the strategy he used in staying just out of range and going for a points win, whereas Michael Moorer got suckered into standing right in front of George for that sleeping pill that he got in the 10th round. Tommy's best fight in my opinion, and as George went on to humble and embarrass Moorer, Morrison should be proud of himself. However, that much said, he would have been a lamb going to the slaughter against Rocky Marciano. There's absolutely no way he would have won that fight, and Marciano would have looked his very best in winning brutally by a knockout.

[Little_Mac]

I don't even like Marciano and I gotta say he takes this one. What I've seen of morrison doesn't even compare.