View Full Version : Floyd Mayweathers Best Win Was Zab Judah
It wasnt his best opponent, ODLH, Corrales, and Castillo are better fighters than Zab Judah.
It also wasnt his greatest clinic, the Corrales and Gatti fights were better in that regard.
But his fight against Judah IMO opinion was his best fight, and the performance I respected the most. Zab started the fight strong, put Floyd down, and seemingly had a lot of advantages over Floyd (speed, power, track record at 147lbs). I have to give it to Floyd, he kept his cool and figured Zab out in the clutch, and then broke his oppenent down meticulously. This is one of the hardest things to do in ANY sport. Even moreso when the sport is boxing.
sdsfinest22
08-22-2007, 12:46 PM
It wasnt his best opponent, ODLH, Corrales, and Castillo are better fighters than Zab Judah.
It also wasnt his greatest clinic, the Corrales and Gatti fights were better in that regard.
But his fight against Judah IMO opinion was his best fight, and the performance I respected the most. Zab started the fight strong, put Floyd down, and seemingly had a lot of advantages over Floyd (speed, power, track record at 147lbs). I have to give it to Floyd, he kept his cool and figured Zab out in the clutch, and then broke his oppenent down meticulously. This is one of the hardest things to do in ANY sport. Even moreso when the sport is boxing.
I agree....
brooklyn1550
08-22-2007, 01:00 PM
He showed he has the ability to adapt and the ability to come back strong after some tough rounds. Good win for him, not his greatest name win, but maybe the best at showing what he is made out of.
That's one of his biggest strengths in my opinion, his ability to adapt, which is why I never choose anyone, even the ATG's in fantasy matchups, to blow him out, though I do think he loses to quite a few.
Good point. And the ones I would choose over him (such as SRL) also had that ability to adapt equally, and so they could nullify that advantage.
sdsfinest22
08-22-2007, 01:22 PM
Good point. And the ones I would choose over him (such as SRL) also had that ability to adapt equally, and so they could nullify that advantage.
not really...juss cuz 1 fighter adapts to another fighters style doesnt mean the other fighter would be able to adapt and then continue to win the fight....
not really...juss cuz 1 fighter adapts to another fighters style doesnt mean the other fighter would be able to adapt and then continue to win the fight....
We are talking ATG“s here such as a SRL, SRR, Hearns, or Duran... which were all capable of counter adapting to Floyds adaptations. Zab did his thing for a bit and when Floyd came with a different gameplan Zab was unable to adapt his own gameplan to adjust. I doubt the same would be true for the fighters above.
jimmie
08-22-2007, 01:33 PM
I also call it his best win that or Diego Corrales.
Caper
08-22-2007, 01:40 PM
I also call it his best win that or Diego Corrales.
He looked very impressive vs Corrales (RIP) I was surprised at how easily he took him out, though as we all learned a couple years later....Corrales was probably capable of continuing the fight and he was always dangerous until the very end. Impressive nethertheless.
He looked very impressive vs Corrales (RIP) I was surprised at how easily he took him out, though as we all learned a couple years later....Corrales was probably capable of continuing the fight and he was always dangerous until the very end. Impressive nethertheless.
Corrales was capable of fighting but it wasnt going to change anything. Against Castillo he was landing meaninfull shots all night until the 10th. Against Floyd he hadnt done anything of significance to slow Floyd (no body work, jabs etc).
Caper
08-22-2007, 01:52 PM
And Castillo was right in front of Corrales willing to get hit while Corrales had no prayer of landing flush on Mayweather.
This is all true but when I think about how he turned the tables on Acelino it makes me wonder.
Still PBF would have won the fight in dramatic lopsided fashion either way, he's just really that good.
This is all true but when I think about how he turned the tables on Acelino it makes me wonder.
Still PBF would have won the fight in dramatic lopsided fashion either way, he's just really that good.
Acelino was jumping around the ring like a fucking rabbit (although effective for a while) and was wasting energy... it was a matter of time before Corrales caught him.
Floyd however wasted no energy in his fight with Corrales, it was perfect economy of motion. He probably could have done it for 20 rounds.
Caper
08-22-2007, 01:56 PM
Acelino was jumping around the ring like a fucking rabbit (although effective for a while) and was wasting energy... it was a matter of time before Corrales caught him.
Floyd however wasted no energy in his fight with Corrales, it was perfect economy of motion. He probably could have done it for 20 rounds.
I hear you, point made. Sorry to ever question what is known to be a fact.....all hail PBF......all hail PBF
:lol:
I hear you, point made. Sorry to ever question what is known to be a fact.....all hail PBF......all hail PBF
:lol:
Whatever my friend, just stating an opinion. Oh, and Im a PBF hater by the way. ;)
Pimp C
08-22-2007, 02:02 PM
Acelino was jumping around the ring like a fucking rabbit (although effective for a while) and was wasting energy... it was a matter of time before Corrales caught him.
Floyd however wasted no energy in his fight with Corrales, it was perfect economy of motion. He probably could have done it for 20 rounds.
I agree with this. I remember watching that fight yelling at the TV saying Frietas was wasting way too much energy in that fight, I knew he was done for.:-(
I agree with this. I remember watching that fight yelling at the TV saying Frietas was wasting way too much energy in that fight, I knew he was done for.:-(
Yep, there is good movement and nervous movement, and that was that nervous, oh shit I think this guy is going to knock me out if I stay here too long movement.
If one can test his mettle and succeed against the likes of Judah, and call it his greatest performance, that aint saying much.
when Tzyu made Judah do the krump...he certainly didnt test Tzyus mettle.
My point is ..How great is/was Judah to be a proving ground for anyone... hes a gatekeeper for Gods sake.
Leonard ad******g to Hearns just sound so much better...
But in saying that Judah was indeed Floyds toughest opponent.
Boxing is about style matchups Chima. Kosta had the perfect anecdote for a fast southpaw like Judah, a deadly straight right hand.
For whatever reasons (speed, athleticism, power, southpaw stance), Judah gave Floyd problems and he did what he had to do to get past him.
Pimp C
08-22-2007, 02:07 PM
Yep, there is good movement and nervous movement, and that was that nervous, oh shit I think this guy is going to knock me out if I stay here too long movement.
Yep:good
Caper
08-22-2007, 02:07 PM
Whatever my friend, just stating an opinion. Oh, and Im a PBF hater by the way. ;)
LMAO!!! :lol:
Its all good I know your not to fond of him I just wanted to see if the inner you had any love for the pretty one. :p
Caper
08-22-2007, 02:08 PM
Yep:good
Took you long enough :D welcome.....
LMAO!!! :lol:
Its all good I know your not to fond of him I just wanted to see if the inner you had any love for the pretty one. :p
Fuck I hope not. :oops:
But I do have a closet appreciation for the Judah, Corrales, and Chavez fights.
hopkinsfan07
08-22-2007, 02:11 PM
id say his fight against corrales was his best moment
and castillo and corrales are not better fighters then a prime Zab
Caper
08-22-2007, 02:13 PM
Fuck I hope not. :oops:
But I do have a closet appreciation for the Judah, Corrales, and Chavez fights.
:yep :hey :smooch
Which smiley goes with that statement :think
:yep :hey :smooch
Which smiley goes with that statement :think
:twisted:
But youre missing my underlying point...Judah was beaten by Baldo...
my point is that how bout if Zab was actually a B+ fighter...he would have beaten Floyd.
I'll accept the style excuse if the fighter is actually a very good fighter, like a Forrest to Mosley
This isnt the Frazier>Ali>Foreman>Frazier math...Great fighters...
Judah has A level talent which seems to allways give great fighters trouble early in fights. Its hard because I agree with you that he is not A level as a fighter, and yet I put him above almost all B level fighters.
He figured out a guy who lost to slow-poke Baldomir and got knocked silly by one punch. I don't buy that one. If he had beaten his two conquerors then yes, I can see it. Otherwise, nope.
Ok so your arguing that his greatest win was someone else. Who then?
You can play that game with any of these fighters...
DLH (losses to SSM twice), Trinidad, Bernard by KO
Corrales (KO losses to Castillo, Casa, and Decisioned by Clottey)
Castillo (KO losses to Hatton and Corrales)
Drew101
08-22-2007, 02:32 PM
Well, look at it this way:
If you're going to give Cotto credit for the way he came back from adversity to batter, and ultimately stop Judah (and you should, because Zab was looking pretty focused that evening), then you should give credit to PBF for showing the same cool, and grit, in finding a way to frustrate an opponent who appeared to have things going his way after four rounds.
I'm not sure that it was his best win, but it did prove, once and for all, that there was some definite substance to go along with the style.
Yeah but Baldomir was a journyman and Kosta KO'd him in the second round and made him look stupid and they were both before Floyd beat him.
DLH lost to SSM, Trinidad, and Bernard who are all legends, ATG's. No shame in losing to them and they were all close fights.
All of Corrales losses were after the Floyd fight. Corrales was undefeated at the time.
Castillo - The losses to Hatton and Corrales were after Floyd beat him
First, good counter point except that Oscar and Bernard was not a close fight.
If you read my initial post, I state that Zab wasnt the best fighter Floyd beat, but that it was his best win and demonstrated his charachter.
Alo2006
08-22-2007, 04:15 PM
Acelino was jumping around the ring like a fucking rabbit (although effective for a while) and was wasting energy... it was a matter of time before Corrales caught him.
Floyd however wasted no energy in his fight with Corrales, it was perfect economy of motion. He probably could have done it for 20 rounds.
I agree, this was a classic beat down.
Johnnyblaze
08-22-2007, 04:39 PM
You people need to realize that styles make fights. I hear it all the time, and I agree with it. Judah is quick and is a slick southpaw. He has the perfect style to give Floyd problems. The best style to beat Judah would be a brawler who dosen't let him breathe or think, just continues to put pressure on him. That's why Cotto and Baldo beat him. Once Floyd realized Zab was to quick and elusive, he turned from boxer to brawler and that is what makes his performance so great.
You people need to realize that styles make fights. I hear it all the time, and I agree with it. Judah is quick and is a slick southpaw. He has the perfect style to give Floyd problems. The best style to beat Judah would be a brawler who dosen't let him breathe or think, just continues to put pressure on him. That's why Cotto and Baldo beat him. Once Floyd realized Zab was to quick and elusive, he turned from boxer to brawler and that is what makes his performance so great.
Good post, I agree with everything exept this last part. I thought he turned into a patient preasure fighter who used accuracy more than power or brawling to pick Judah appart. It wasnt so much that he ruffed Judah up or even that he hit him that hard, but he was placing his shots perfectly on Judahs face WHILE coming forward which he normally doesnt do. Thats why I liked the fight, he had to go away from what he was best at and it was interesting to watch.
Johnnyblaze
08-22-2007, 04:51 PM
True dat. He was just coming forward and putting more pressure on zab than I expected him to. Not really brawling, but you can tell he wanted the knockout, but didn't want to take too big a gamble because he knew how quick Judah was and felt his power early in the fight.
teekay00
08-23-2007, 04:26 AM
judah fought very well against mayweather and looked like he lost round 10, 11, 12. That was all after floyds trainers stormed the ring and choked zab unconscious. I am not sying that he lost the fight because of this but in the 10th round after a dogfight w Floyd when you have little left in your tank, then getting choked out, that definately has an affect on zab. I saw the fight. Floyd was winning already by a little But we never know what would have happened if Floyds trainers wouldnt have choked him out and tired him out. The ref SHOULD have stopped the fight after that.
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