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03-21-2009, 02:07 PM
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“I Can Whip Any Mechanical Robot” by Jack Dempsey (Apr, 1934) ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

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Issue: Apr, 1934 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
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“I Can Whip Any Mechanical Robot” by Jack Dempsey
Picturesque former champion of world tells mechanical side of boxing. Challenges any robot.
I CAN whip any mechanical robot that ever has or ever will be made. Maybe that sounds a bit egotistical, maybe you will say it’s just the voice of a “has-been,” but I assure you that neither is true.
I was talking over old times with my friend Captain W. H. Fawcett and during the course of conversation he remarked that undoubtedly mechanical ingenuity has done much to improve the work of many boxers.
“That’s true,” I answered, “but nothing mechanical will ever be able to whip an honest to goodness boxer. Even right now, despite the fact that I am definitely through with the ring as a fighter, I wouldn’t be afraid of any robot or mechanical man. I could tear it to pieces, bolt by bolt and scatter its brain wheels and cogs all over the canvas.”

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(GUILALAH) After this somewhat comical introduction, Dempsey more seriously discusess the mechanics of various blows.

The reason is simple: Engineers can build a robot that will possess everything except brains. And without brains no man can ever attain championship class in the boxing game. It is true enough that we have had some rare intellectual specimens in the higher frames of boxing glory, but I can truthfully say that no man ever attained genuine boxing recognition without real headwork. The best punch in the world is not worth a whoop if the boxer doesn’t know what to do with it. The most damaging of all blows is the short, straight-arm punch to the solar plexus—the punch which came into being when Fitzsimmons took the championship from Jim Corbett in one of the boxing-game’s greatest surprise victories.
In hitting to the solar plexus, that spot just below the meeting point of the ribs, the blow travels only about six or eight inches and the result is comparable only to the terrific effect of being struck by a piston which moves forward as its arm slides out. There never has been and never will be a boxer who could remain on his feet after being struck by a mechanically perfect solar plexus punch.
Another blow, almost equally devastating, is the left hook to the “button.” This likewise travels only about six inches, but the impulse for this blow comes from the body as it moves forward, pivoting slightly at the hips. When, with the piston’s hard-driving precision, the fist and elbow turn instantly to travel over that six-inch span to the point of contact, the fighter’s previous forward motion gives him the greatest power it is possible for a human to achieve in the ring. If this blow meets its victim properly, the man who delivered it can turn away for the dressing room while the counting starts. He need not fear that his opponent will get up.
It was the left hook with which I dropped Luis Firpo three times in the first round when we met in New York back in 1923. And it was this same hard wallop that put the Wild Bull of the Pampas to sleep for good when the second round was but 58 seconds gone.
There are other parallels, too, between mechanics and boxing. The old lever principle governs the action of three primary blows known to every ring fan: the jab, the right cross and the upper-cut. In each of these blows the body acts more or less as an axis as the punches are delivered by a fighter in forward motion.
Any boxer’s success depends to a great extent on just how efficiently he is able to apply mechanical principles to his fighting. As an example, every blow I have delivered in my boxing career, with the exception of those used in infighting and designed only to war down an opponent, was intended to be a “perfect” punch. Those that fell short of perfection and failed to bring down my man failed because they were blocked or because the human eye and arm did not coordinate to achieve the highest degree of efficiency.
Best Machine Lacks Brains
The piston, to illustrate, drives at exactly the same spot in the same groove with only the most minute variance. The same cannot be said for the hitting arm of a boxer, except insofar as he is able to keep his “machine” in such excellent condition that it is always ready to carry out the telegraphic instructions from his brain.
I’ll venture to say, despite the fact that mechanics and boxing are based on the same principles, that the average clever boxer, facing a robot constructed with two or three vulnerable points, could leave such a creature in the trash heap. For no matter how perfect the machine might be, it lacks a brain, and the most killing of all blows is worthless when not delivered at just the crucial second.
Mechanical principles govern boxing only because man has realized the advantage through his study of science and harnessed these principles.

GPater11093
03-21-2009, 02:37 PM
brillaint find

Jack really knew his stuff

dont know much about him but was he knowledgeable and did he keep up to dat with boxing once he retired

Dempsey1238
03-21-2009, 02:43 PM
Ref, manager, promoter, He was a big part of boxing even in retirement. Kinda of like DLH is doing now(Even though DLH is still active).

GPater11093
03-21-2009, 03:00 PM
Ref, manager, promoter, He was a big part of boxing even in retirement. Kinda of like DLH is doing now(Even though DLH is still active).

ok

i have saw afew interviews where he speaks about ali and marciano. seemed like a nice guy

ChrisPontius
03-21-2009, 03:04 PM
Would he beat this mechanical, robot? :think



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Dempsey1238
03-21-2009, 03:12 PM
lol.

I belive so.

Seamus
03-21-2009, 05:18 PM
awesome find. many thanks for sharing.

janitor
03-21-2009, 05:57 PM
Dempseys book is the punching equivalent of "the art of war".

No man ever better understood how to carry out offensive punching, or ofensive counterpunching.

Joe E
03-21-2009, 09:47 PM
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(sorry, someone had to)Good chance.

Vantage_West
03-21-2009, 09:55 PM
dempsey beats bruno ko1

Stonehands89
03-22-2009, 08:35 AM
Dempseys book is the punching equivalent of "the art of war".

Well said.

PowerPuncher
03-22-2009, 08:57 AM
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Yes Vitali's slow arm punches would be slipped and as he backed up in straight lines with his hands down he'd get mauled, manassa style

CzarKyle
03-22-2009, 09:35 AM
He does talk a great deal about the sweet science and the man knows the truth.Except that modern technology would destroy him.

I'm just finding the title of the article...ridiculous.

Ted Spoon
03-22-2009, 03:45 PM
Like Bruce Lee after him, Dempsey did not just suggest the correct forms and ideas behind fistic combat, but he was a great student of self-realisation; a philosopher as well as a fighter.

To his everlasting credit he really was as good a teacher as he had been a fighter.

And to think he is often mistaken, even by men deeply involved in the sport, to have been deemed a primitive cavemen without a comprehension of 'correct' technique.

Strange.

GPater11093
03-22-2009, 03:54 PM
Like Bruce Lee after him, Dempsey did not just suggest the correct forms and ideas behind fistic combat, but he was a great student of self-realisation; a philosopher as well as a fighter.

To his everlasting credit he really was as good a teacher as he had been a fighter.

And to think he is often mistaken, even by men deeply involved in the sport, to have been deemed a primitive cavemen without a comprehension of 'correct' technique.

Strange.

Ted hows my DVDs coming on

i think that Dempsey would KO the Klits in the first 3 rounds

janitor
03-22-2009, 03:57 PM
Like Bruce Lee after him, Dempsey did not just suggest the correct forms and ideas behind fistic combat, but he was a great student of self-realisation; a philosopher as well as a fighter.

To his everlasting credit he really was as good a teacher as he had been a fighter.

And to think he is often mistaken, even by men deeply involved in the sport, to have been deemed a primitive cavemen without a comprehension of 'correct' technique.

Strange.

I honestly think that Dempsey was as much a thinking fighter as Gene Tunney.

Just cut from a diferent cloth.

Ted Spoon
03-22-2009, 04:25 PM
I honestly think that Dempsey was as much a thinking fighter as Gene Tunney.

Just cut from a diferent cloth.

That's very true.

It probably played a big part in their friendship, although Dempsey was more down to earth and made for a more refreshing read.

Maxmomer
03-22-2009, 05:45 PM
When Skynet launches the first wave the world will lament the loss of Jack Dempsey.

COULDHAVEBEEN
03-23-2009, 10:24 PM
...I'm just finding the title of the article...ridiculous.

Many things from 1934 look rediculous by todays hi-tech standards. It wouldn't have seemed too silly back then.

Suge Green
03-23-2009, 11:15 PM
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Dempsey can add prophet too his resume. He saw the future of boxing involved robots. Evidently, they will end up in a trash heap sometime in the future. :yep

Arka
03-24-2009, 12:57 AM
Dempseys book is the punching equivalent of "the art of war".

No man ever better understood how to carry out offensive punching, or ofensive counterpunching.

I always assumed that "Championsip Fighting" was ghost written.
How much of the book,in fact, represented Dempsey's actual training philosophy?

janitor
03-24-2009, 04:05 PM
I always assumed that "Championsip Fighting" was ghost written.
How much of the book,in fact, represented Dempsey's actual training philosophy?

I never thought that it might be ghost written but its style is consistent with Dempseys other writings.

Verry thought provoking but at the same time it is obvious that the authour is not a man you would want to take liberties with.

Arka
03-24-2009, 04:49 PM
I never thought that it might be ghost written but its style is consistent with Dempseys other writings.


A style may be imitated or a voice mimicked. :D In my mind a professional writer almost certainly had the biggest part in the writing of Championship Fighting.The question,in my mind,is the degree of Jack's input. Was this just a generic boxing manual modified to fit Dempsey's scattered pronouncements on boxing , written in his voice and given a seal of approval by people acting in Jack's interests ? It's a possibility.....

Anyway,I've read the book a few times and think highly of it,whoever the actual source of the information was.

janitor
03-24-2009, 04:56 PM
A style may be imitated or a voice mimicked. :D In my mind a professional writer almost certainly had the biggest part in the writing of Championship Fighting.The question,in my mind,is the degree of Jack's input. Was this just a generic boxing manual modified to fit Dempsey's scattered pronouncements on boxing , written in his voice and given a seal of approval by people acting in Jack's interests ? It's a possibility.....

Anyway,I've read the book a few times and think highly of it,whoever the actual source of the information was.

Put it this way.

If Dempsey had a ghost writer he used the same one for everything.

dpw417
03-24-2009, 08:58 PM
I never thought that it might be ghost written but its style is consistent with Dempseys other writings.

Verry thought provoking but at the same time it is obvious that the authour is not a man you would want to take liberties with.
Good answer...Cheers Janitor.

Maxmomer
03-25-2009, 01:23 AM
Put it this way.

If Dempsey had a ghost writer he used the same one for everything.

For every book article and quote. I don't find that likely.

Arka
03-25-2009, 05:15 AM
For every book article and quote. I don't find that likely.

I'm talking about the book. :D

How do you determine whether something is or is not ghost written anyway?
I think Phil Berger did a good job of bring across Joe Frazier's speech mannerisms and general attitudes in the latter's autobiography.

Apparently a Mr Gene Fowler was the goto man for newpapers,when they were in need of a quote or article from Jim Corbett.
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Arka
03-25-2009, 05:16 AM
Heres a very interesting quote,I just found! :D

Jack Dempsey ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) watched Johansson ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) work out and could summon only an uncommunicative mumble afterward: Dempsey ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) picked Patterson ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). And the day after the fight, with a burst of humor mixed with honest anguish, Dempsey ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) remarked:
"I really liked Johansson ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) but my ghostwriter would not let me say so". :lol:

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He was probably joking,but still....

edit: Apparently Dempsey's training book was edited by a Jack Cuddy and illustrated by Ed Igoe.
Who is Jack Cuddy?

Jack Dempsey
03-25-2009, 05:52 AM
Boxing Writers' Association of America
James J. Walker Award





Long and Meritorious Service
1940 James J. Walker
1941 Gene Tunney
1942 NO AWARD
1943 Nat Fleischer
1944 John J. Phelan
1945 James J. Johnston
1946 Mike Jacobs
1947 James A. Farley
1948 Dan Morgan
1949 Abe J. Greene
1950 Wilbur Wood
1951 Edward P.F. Eagan
1952 George A. Barton
1953 Dr. Vincent A. Nardiello
1954 James J. Braddock
1955 Harry Mendel
1956 Frank Graham
1957 Jack Dempsey
1958 Sam Taub
1959 Marv Jensen
1960 Ned Brown
1961 Dr. Alexander Schiff
1962 Dr. Mal Stevens
1963 Harry Markson
1964 Mickey Walker
1965 Jack Cuddy

Arka
03-26-2009, 12:18 AM
Boxing Writers' Association of America
James J. Walker Award





Long and Meritorious Service
1940 James J. Walker
1941 Gene Tunney
1942 NO AWARD
1943 Nat Fleischer
1944 John J. Phelan
1945 James J. Johnston
1946 Mike Jacobs
1947 James A. Farley
1948 Dan Morgan
1949 Abe J. Greene
1950 Wilbur Wood
1951 Edward P.F. Eagan
1952 George A. Barton
1953 Dr. Vincent A. Nardiello
1954 James J. Braddock
1955 Harry Mendel
1956 Frank Graham
1957 Jack Dempsey
1958 Sam Taub
1959 Marv Jensen
1960 Ned Brown
1961 Dr. Alexander Schiff
1962 Dr. Mal Stevens
1963 Harry Markson
1964 Mickey Walker
1965 Jack Cuddy

Did Cuddy come up with Louis' sobriquet "The Brown Bomber" ? :think

bman100
04-28-2010, 11:54 AM
Interesting theory about the ghost writer but as some have pointed out, the book talks a lot about other stuff dempsey wrote in articles and the like and they seem to be on the same train of thought. dempsey was without a doubt a great fighter not a primitive wild swnging fighter with no knowledge about how to really fight. dempsey was all about class when it came to fighting.

On another note, hope this doenst sound stupid...but when dempsey talks about hitting the "button" with a hook, what does the "button" mean? i assume it means jaw or mouth but wasnt totally sure?

mattdonnellon
04-28-2010, 08:42 PM
Point of the chin, I believe.

My2Sense
04-29-2010, 01:48 AM
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The picture isn't coming out on my screen, but I know without seeing it it's gotta be one of the Klitschkos. :lol: