Who did Roy Jones avoid during his career?

[klion22]

Just curious. I know people always say he didn't fight everyone he could've faced.

I know he could've fought Hopkins again. I know he could've fought that German fighter. Forgot his name.

Who else did he avoid?

[pioterbezkitu]

Don't listen to this people, plain haters

[maciek4]

Just curious. I know people always say he didn't fight everyone he could've faced.

I know he could've fought Hopkins again. I know he could've fought that German fighter. Forgot his name.

Who else did he avoid?

Damn you are real boxing fan.

Dariusz Michalczewski
Vasily Jirov
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank

[pioterbezkitu]

If I'm right Benn refused 6mlns for fighting Roy

[jimmie]

He avoided everyone besides journeymen and trashcans with feet his entire career. Hopkins was green,Hill was coming off a loss,McCallum was 40,Ruiz wasnt that good,Castro was I dont what the haters say about him,Tarver was a gift decision,Toney was weight drained etc.

[JETSKI]

Damn you are real boxing fan.

Dariusz Michalczewski
Vasily Jirov
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank

He's gotta learn somewhere, mac. He's a newbie.

Yeah, RJJ ducked the German fighter with the Polish name. How could anyone forget?

[pioterbezkitu]

Damn you are real boxing fan.

Dariusz Michalczewski
Vasily Jirov
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank

Jirov have never fough at LHW

[pioterbezkitu]

He's gotta learn somewhere, mac. He's a newbie.

Yeah, RJJ ducked the German fighter with the Polish name. How could you forget?

Both Roy and DM didn't really want to fight eachother

[kg0208]

The only fighter Jones didn't make an offer to that was a threat to him in a weight class he was in was Nunn.

The other fighters like Benn, Collins, etc either turned down offers OR were not in the same weight class as Jones like Jirov.

[hitman_hatton1]

benn, collins.

as well as hopkins and d-man.

he's most guilty of not working things out with d-man i think.

[kg0208]

benn, collins.

as well as hopkins and d-man.

he's most guilty of not working things out with d-man i think.

Benn and Collins turned down offers to fight Jones, Benn turned down an offer than would have been his highest payday ever.

Hopkins also turned down a 60/40 offer, though he claims he didn't and that wasn't the real offer and Jones claims it was. People choose to believe the fighter they like in those situation since none of us were in the room. But I KNOW that on national TV Jones offered 60/40 and Hops turned it down.

[pioterbezkitu]

Benn and Collins turned down offers to fight Jones, Benn turned down an offer than would have been his highest payday ever.

Hopkins also turned down a 60/40 offer, though he claims he didn't and that wasn't the real offer and Jones claims it was. People choose to believe the fighter they like in those situation since none of us were in the room. But I KNOW that on national TV Jones offered 60/40 and Hops turned it down.

60/40 was a fair offer. RJJ beat B-HOP clear and Roy wast the P4P King.

[kk17]

It's a shame that he never fought the best LH during the 90th
Dariusz Michalczewski.

[klion22]

60/40 was a fair offer. RJJ beat B-HOP clear and Roy wast the P4P King.

Yeah, but at the same time, Hopkins didn't lose since that fight and was coming off a huge upset win over Trinidad. And RJJ even told Tito not to fight Hopkins because he thought Hopkins would beat him.

And i think RJJ realized how much more polished Hopkins became over that time span. When they fought, they were both very young still. And RJJ relied mostly on his raw talents which he had even then. But Hopkins relied a lot on his mind also to win fights and that really improved since he fought Jones.

The bottom line is that if Jones really wanted Hopkins, he could've fought him. He could've made it happen. He held all the cards. And Hopkins obviously was asking for Jones and called him out.

[kg0208]

Yeah, but at the same time, Hopkins didn't lose since that fight and was coming off a huge upset win over Trinidad. And RJJ even told Tito not to fight Hopkins because he thought Hopkins would beat him.

And i think RJJ realized how much more polished Hopkins became over that time span. When they fought, they were both very young still. And RJJ relied mostly on his raw talents which he had even then. But Hopkins relied a lot on his mind also to win fights and that really improved since he fought Jones.

The bottom line is that if Jones really wanted Hopkins, he could've fought him. He could've made it happen. He held all the cards. And Hopkins obviously was asking for Jones and called him out.
No way. Jones WAS holding all the cards. That's the point. And Hopkins was a better fighter mentally after he beat Trinidad, but more limited physically.

Point is, if Jones is holding all the cards, the Hopkins needs to concede. You don't put it on Jones to give up his cards, which is what you're suggesting he do. Hopkins fought his next fight for far less money then he would have made fighting Jones. So that doesn't seem to equate.

I mean, if Hopkins really wanted to fight Jones, wouldn't he have taken the more than fair offer instead of fighting someone else for LESS?

[Tom_Tocca]

If I remember correctly, Jones was offered about $5 million to fight DM in Germany but said he wanted this fight on American soil.
I would have said ok Roy, if so, then cash out DM with the same amount of money that was offered to you - but no, he didn't...says alot about guts...

[klion22]

I didn't start to follow boxing closely until about 2000. That's why i don't know much about boxing pre-2000. That's why i didn't recall the German guy's name.

But, was this guy really that good in that had Jones fought him and beat him decisively that it would've boosted Jones' legacy a good deal?

[kg0208]

If I remember correctly, Jones was offered about $5 million to fight D in Germany but said he wanted this fight on American soil.
I would have said ok Roy, if so, then cash out DM with the same amount of money that was offered to you - but no, he didn't...says alot about guts...

Actually, HBO offered DM more money than he ever made to come here as well. DM said no.

Jones contract with HBO was 5 milliion a fight. So all he did was turn down going to Germany....and Jones always said he wouldn't fight anywhere else since the 88 olympics.

[PowerPuncher]

Lets see:

Dariusz Michalczewski - neither could agree, both as guilty of avoiding the other, should have happened, US-Euro politics stopped it - let it end at that.

Vasily Jirov - not the same division

Nigel Benn - RJJ wouldnt make the fight, Benn wanted the fight for the money and said he doesn't know why RJJ wouldnt fight him because he thought RJJ would win and he just wanted the payday.

McCellan - was due to happen if he beat Benn

Chris Eubank - Eubank avoided RJJ before RJJ hit the top, RJJ wouldnt give Eubank a shot when Eubank lost

Collins - Collins wanted silly money

Nunn - RJJ should have fought him but didnt bother

Hopkins2- Hopkins simply ducked RJJ knowing he'd lose again

Calazage - Calazage didnt earn a shot

Otke - never talked about, had allot of gifts

The HWs - not really fair RJJ was tiny at HW

[klion22]

Actually, HBO offered DM more money than he ever made to come here as well. DM said no.

Jones contract with HBO was 5 milliion a fight. So all he did was turn down going to Germany....and Jones always said he wouldn't fight anywhere else since the 88 olympics.

I definitely agree that his experience at the Olympics had him incredibly wary of going to foreign countries to fight.

[kg0208]

Lets see:

Dariusz Michalczewski - neither could agree, both as guilty of avoiding the other, should have happened, US-Euro politics stopped it - let it end at that.

Vasily Jirov - not the same division

Nigel Benn - RJJ wouldnt make the fight, Benn wanted the fight for the money and said he doesn't know why RJJ wouldnt fight him because he thought RJJ would win and he just wanted the payday.

McCellan - was due to happen if he beat Benn

Chris Eubank - Eubank avoided RJJ before RJJ hit the top, RJJ wouldnt give Eubank a shot when Eubank lost

Collins - Collins wanted silly money

Nunn - RJJ should have fought him but didnt bother

Hopkins2- Hopkins simply ducked RJJ knowing he'd lose again

Calazage - Calazage didnt earn a shot

Otke - never talked about, had allot of gifts

The HWs - not really fair RJJ was tiny at HW

All I know on Benn is that Jones said publicly and it was confirmed by HBO that Benn turned down 4 million to fight Jones. I don't know what Benn countered. But he had never made 4 million.

Nunn he just ducked. Plain and simple.

[Guru_Too_You]

DM is the only legitmate fighter you could say that he ducked.

But DM is just as responsible.

They simply couldnt come to an agreement and neither felt they had enough incentive to do so.

[Guru_Too_You]

All I know on Benn is that Jones said publicly and it was confirmed by HBO that Benn turned down 4 million to fight Jones. I don't know what Benn countered. But he had never made 4 million.

Nunn he just ducked. Plain and simple.

Ummmm. Was there an offer? If my memory serves me correctly, Toney had already beaten Nunn by the time that Jones would have been ready for that bout, and Jones left the division to ultimately seek out Toney.

[kg0208]

Ummmm. Was there an offer? If my memory serves me correctly, Toney had already beaten Nunn by the time that Jones would have been ready for that bout, and Jones left the division to ultimately seek out Toney.

Nunn was his mandatory at LHW too....thats when I am referring to.

[klion22]

So was DM that good in that had RJJ beat him decisively that his legacy would've been noticeably boosted?

[kg0208]

So was DM that good in that had RJJ beat him decisively that his legacy would've been noticeably boosted?

Yes, I think so. Jones did beat the man who beat DM. But that means little in boxing. It is funny to hear people refer to how Jones was scared of DM and fought garbage men instead....when the only garbage man he fought (part time) was an unbeaten top 10 rankedGonzales, the same man who would then beat DM.

[Guru_Too_You]

Nunn was his mandatory at LHW too....thats when I am referring to.

Ahhh gotcha.

I didnt recall that Nunn was even his mandatory at LHW, especially considering his record at LHW.

During that time, Roy was seeking out Virgil Hill, who at the time I feel was more highly regarded.

[Tom_Tocca]

Yes, I think so. Jones did beat the man who beat DM. But that means little in boxing. It is funny to hear people refer to how Jones was scared of DM and fought garbage men instead....when the only garbage man he fought (part time) was an unbeaten top 10 rankedGonzales, the same man who would then beat DM.
years ago at the end of DMs career...

btw, if staged around 98-99 if what have boosted his legacy for sure beating the linear champ - he would have been undisputed at LHW...and don't tell me he was...

[kg0208]

years ago at the end of DMs career...

btw, if staged around 98-99 if what have boosted his legacy for sure beating the linear champ - he would have been undisputed at LHW...and don't tell me he was...

I did say it would boost his legacy.

And yes, Jones was undisputed. DM was lineal. There is a difference. The WBO wasn't considered part of unification then, and to many, it still isn't.

[Tom_Tocca]

I did say it would boost his legacy.

And yes, Jones was undisputed. DM was lineal. There is a difference. The WBO wasn't considered part of unification then, and to many, it still isn't.
So holding the WBA, IBF and WBO title didn't meant that much?

[maximumsg]

Come on guys we all know that roy did not want to fights hopkins later in their careers because jones would have gotten killed just like tarver did.

[kg0208]

So holding the WBA, IBF and WBO title didn't meant that much?

It means something. But is doesn't mean undisputed, especially in the mid to late 90's. Until the boxing world recognizes differently the WBC, WBA, and the IBF equal undisputed. Some consider the WBO NOW, but it wasn't that way a decade ago.

Not to mention, through no fault of Jones, DM was stripped of 2 of those titles. It's why I don't trust the ABC's. However, Jones was ALSO Ring champion.

[rr94]

Damn you are real boxing fan.

Dariusz Michalczewski
Vasily Jirov
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank

Benn and Eubank both declined to fight him when presented the opportunity. Eubank even stated it in an ESB article.

[pioterbezkitu]

UR lame

Turn on the sarcasm detector

[Alo2006]

Ahhh gotcha.

I didnt recall that Nunn was even his mandatory at LHW, especially considering his record at LHW.

During that time, Roy was seeking out Virgil Hill, who at the time I feel was more highly regarded.

Agrees with Virgil Hill :yep

[kg0208]

Benn turned down $10million to fight Jones because he had a contract with King (he'd have been sued most of his purse), but Jones turned down $25million to fight Benn because he didn't want to fight for King for some reason (which he did for Ruiz and is for Trinidad)

I'm calling BS on this. Jones was never offered 25 million to fight anyone below HW.

[kg0208]

[quote=kg0208]No way. Jones WAS holding all the cards. That's the point. And Hopkins was a better fighter mentally after he beat Trinidad, but more limited physically.]


Yeah , unless you count the chin huh ? :lol:

Jones hadn't been KO'd at the time now had he? So then I guess your attempt at a joke is kinda stupid.

[ironchamp]

So holding the WBA, IBF and WBO title didn't meant that much?

It means something but holding the WBA, WBC and IBF means more.

[Imperial1]

He ducked no one of signifigance !!

[kg0208]

It was quite well-documented, buddy.

No....it isn't. It's mentioned in Jones interview that Jones offered I believe 4 million to Benn.

Jones was NEVER offered 25 million by Nigel Benn. Prove it.

Think about that. DLH doesn't make that in most of his fights. Jones made less than DLH.

[Amsterdam]

Don't bother with Hugh Webb, he feels that Eubank, Benn and Watson were some of the best fighters ever and that the others, such as Jones and Calzaghe, were just overrated.

Anyway, I feel that he avoided Dariusz Michalczewski, I don't think that he 'ducked', I just feel that he willfully looked past him for other options, when it could have done a lot for his resume. I also feel that Jones would have whipped DM pretty badly, leaving it even more 'sad' that the fight didn't happen.

Too bad Jones didn't fight Eubank, Benn and Collins on top of Michalczewski, he'd have beaten them all and that would have landed him a top 10 ATG resume. He's already a top 30 easily.

[kg0208]

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That is a message board. Do you have a link to an article? Again....Jones never made anywhere NEAR that amount for a fight. And why would Jones turn down Benn when clearly in this interview Jones states that Benn and Collins has turned him down, and HBO substantiates this.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

BTW, that interview takes place AFTER your message board conversation is dated.

[kg0208]

Also, in this interview in 1996, Jones mentions that Hopkins is the only one considering his offer. What happened to that offer? Does anyone know? THIS was Hopkins prime, from about 95-99. Not 2001 when he beat Tito...

[kg0208]

Dude, I've proved you wrong time and again in the past. Like you claiming Jones wouldn't leave the States when I said he stated he wanted to fight in London, and you not believing me. I don't really care.

You research yourself, I'm not doing it for you. But I clearly remember Nigel Benn on the backpage of The Sun with a giant £16.5mill cheque in his hand. Jones refusing to fight for King, even for that money, caused Nigel not to have that payday, althought Jones will argue that Nigel should have won the Malinga fight (his contract with King ended at that fight) and then he'd have got $10mill to fight him (from Jones's side) which was better than nothing.

LMAO..you have never proven me wrong. All you did was show a conversation where Jones said he LIKED London and that it was a great city. That doesn't equate to "I want to fight in London".

I love it when posters like you resort to conjecture and your own interpretations. If you don't care then move on.

I posted a link to an actual interview with the fighter. That's more proof than your message board link where a poster says what you said.

[kg0208]

I guess the quotes from Jones were fake, then. Then why hasn't he sued? It won the Williams Hill Sports Book of the Year, so it's a known book.

The quotes from Jones saying he LIKED LONDON?

Listen, this is very simple. A fighter can say anything he wants in conversation. As has been proven time and again, Jones ALSO said that he would never fight outside the states. So, even if he said "I will fight in London"...he also said the opposite. So, they contradict.

Now, in actual practice, everytime Jones has been offered a fight outside the states (until the recent offer from Calzaghe) he has turned it down saying they have to come to him. Thats a FACT.

[kg0208]

Despite his professed apathy for Eubank, I knew that the WBO title-holder had garned some attention in Pensacola. While fooling around at home - showing me his shadow-boxing technique against one of his dogs, or slipping into a muscle-bound pose as he stood on top of the farm's 'R.J.'-initialled wrought-iron gate - Roy Jones would offer a reminder. 'Hey, look,' he laughed, 'this one is for Chris Eubank - you tell him this one's from me to him, you tell him I'm waitin', anytime an' anyplace he likes...'
Yet the threat offered by Jones was so convincing that it seemed unlikely Eubank would meet him. In contract to Hove's 'Simply the Best', Jones was 'ready to take on anyone. I'm ready for Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn or any other guy you care to mention. I'd really like to go back and fight over there. I was in London when I was eighteen years old - for the Benn-Watson fight - and I had a great time.'
'What do you remember most?'
'Oh, man,' Jones enthused, 'I just fell in love with all them pretty horses.'
'What?'
'Sure, those big police-horses ... boy, they're so pretty!'
'Gee, Roy,' I mummur with mock incredulity, 'that's strange.'
'How come?'
'Well, it sounds like you were more interested in the "pretty horses" than in any girl you might have seen. Are you like James Toney, who thinks "all the men are fat and the women are ugly" over there?'
'Oh, no!' Roy Jones Jnr cackled, 'that's where you're wrong - I took plenty 'o notice. The girls there, man, they're beautiful. Outstandingly beautiful! See - that's just another reason for me to fight in London - pretty horses, even prettier women! What better reason could there be for another look, for another trip over the ocean?'
Thats just another reason for me to fight in London? Thats your proof? Like I said....Jones never says he is going to fight in London. He says that pretty women are a reason for him to fight there. Those are entirely different statements.

As I said, Jones has always turned down fights overseas and said they must come to him.

[kg0208]

Now...go back an actually watch Jones say something verbatum. He says Benn and Collins turned him down. You think he turned down Benn and it's the exact opposite.

And he actually SAYS that. Not says there is a reason for Benn to turn him down.

[kg0208]

There are some nutty fucking people on this site
And there are some people on this site who can't seem to understand context and English.

As I recall, Eubanks was trying to convince Jones that fighting in London would be great for him. In context, all Jones is saying is that this is another reason for him to do it. He never actually says he is going to fight in London.

If he wanted to so bad, why did he never fight ANYWHERE but the States?

Now stop dodging the point of the thread. Benn turned down Jones, not the other way around.

[kg0208]

Is this even for real?
Why do you care? And you still seem to be reluctant to address the video I posted.

[KO Boxing]

The thing is, when your the best fighter in the world and a fight doesn't come off against another fighter, usually it's the best fighters fault... no matter the real reason.

It's just human instincts. We wanna bring down those at the top.

IMO, and that is all it is, it takes two to tango, and Roy never actually "avoided" anyone. And if any of em did man up and accept the terms, very few of em woulda seen 12.

:yep

[jecxbox]

He avoided everyone besides journeymen and trashcans with feet his entire career. Hopkins was green,Hill was coming off a loss,McCallum was 40,Ruiz wasnt that good,Castro was I dont what the haters say about him,Tarver was a gift decision,Toney was weight drained etc.:good :rofl :rofl :rofl

[griff]

I can't believe no one has mentioned Gerald McClellan yet, it has been reported in the past how Roy Jones avoided anything to do with the G-man and to be honest it's a fact that people has said Jones was shit scared of Gerald.

[Fab2333]

The thing is, when your the best fighter in the world and a fight doesn't come off against another fighter, usually it's the best fighters fault... no matter the real reason.

It's just human instincts. We wanna bring down those at the top.

IMO, and that is all it is, it takes two to tango, and Roy never actually "avoided" anyone. And if any of em did man up and accept the terms, very few of em woulda seen 12.

:yep

pretty much :deal:thumbsup

[Fab2333]

Don't bother with Hugh Webb, he feels that Eubank, Benn and Watson were some of the best fighters ever and that the others, such as Jones and Calzaghe, were just overrated.

Anyway, I feel that he avoided Dariusz Michalczewski, I don't think that he 'ducked', I just feel that he willfully looked past him for other options, when it could have done a lot for his resume. I also feel that Jones would have whipped DM pretty badly, leaving it even more 'sad' that the fight didn't happen.

Too bad Jones didn't fight Eubank, Benn and Collins on top of Michalczewski, he'd have beaten them all and that would have landed him a top 10 ATG resume. He's already a top 30 easily.

I agree that he would have killed DM, and Eubank didnt want to fight RJ, i recall in that interview ESB posted, he said that RJ would have wooped him badly, so thats why he didnt take the fight. Benn and Collins, I think wouldnt have given RJ to much a prob. And he would have gotten W's as well.

[klion22]

I can't believe no one has mentioned Gerald McClellan yet, it has been reported in the past how Roy Jones avoided anything to do with the G-man and to be honest it's a fact that people has said Jones was shit scared of Gerald.

Can anyone else substantiate this?

[koko of phil]

If the thread says "career", I think Hopkins shouldn't be mentioned here, RJJ fought the guy once if anyone remembers? :huh

[PowerPuncher]

All I know on Benn is that Jones said publicly and it was confirmed by HBO that Benn turned down 4 million to fight Jones. I don't know what Benn countered. But he had never made 4 million.

Nunn he just ducked. Plain and simple.

Thats BS, RJJ should have made that fight and was the 1 responsible for not making it, Nigel just wanted the payday but didnt get it

[PowerPuncher]

Benn turned down $10million to fight Jones because he had a contract with King (he'd have been sued most of his purse), but Jones turned down $25million to fight Benn because he didn't want to fight for King for some reason (which he did for Ruiz and is for Trinidad)

Yep that was the scenario, maybe RJJ saw what happened to McCellan and thought, NO THANKS

[PowerPuncher]

I'm calling BS on this. Jones was never offered 25 million to fight anyone below HW.

He probably was, Benn was offered $15m

[PowerPuncher]

Thats just another reason for me to fight in London? Thats your proof? Like I said....Jones never says he is going to fight in London. He says that pretty women are a reason for him to fight there. Those are entirely different statements.

As I said, Jones has always turned down fights overseas and said they must come to him.

If you read the full interview, Jones says he'd fight Eubank 'any place'. London is a place :deal

[kg0208]

If you read the full interview, Jones says he'd fight Eubank 'any place'. London is a place :deal
And he never did. He ALSO said he wouldn't fight outside the US. Since he never did...I should think the statement he actually backed up has more validty. As for the rest of what you posted....thats BS. Jones should have made the fight? Well then Benn should have accepted the terms. Thats how it works.

[MJRJJ23]

I can't believe no one has mentioned Gerald McClellan yet, it has been reported in the past how Roy Jones avoided anything to do with the G-man and to be honest it's a fact that people has said Jones was shit scared of Gerald.

Jones said he would not fight McClellan because they where and still are very good friends. Roy is the only boxer that has went and seen G-man since the tragedy. Same as Winky Wright, He woudln't fight Winky Wright either if there was an oppurtunity because there very good friends.

[PowerPuncher]

And he never did. He ALSO said he wouldn't fight outside the US. Since he never did...I should think the statement he actually backed up has more validty. As for the rest of what you posted....thats BS. Jones should have made the fight? Well then Benn should have accepted the terms. Thats how it works.

Your a dumb ass, Benn was under contract to Don King meaning all negotiations had to go through King. So Benn couldn't accept $4m under another promoter.

King proposed $25m a piece for each fighter - probably providing P4P targets were set. This was a possibility Benn was massive in Britain far bigger than Hatton is now.

The fact you think Benn should accept $4m, while both were talked about getting a possible $25m shows your bias.

He said he would goto Britain BEFORE he was no1 P4P and BEnn and Eubank were champs. After he was P4P no1 and after both Eubank and Benn lost there was no point in going to Britain.

[Axe]

Actually, HBO offered DM more money than he ever made to come here as well. DM said no.

Jones contract with HBO was 5 milliion a fight. So all he did was turn down going to Germany....and Jones always said he wouldn't fight anywhere else since the 88 olympics.

I have never heard of this before. As far as I'm aware, HBO simply came to Universum without throwing figures around, and wanted to know how much they would want for Roy coming over there and how much it would take for Dm to come to the USA. There was never any offer from HBO that I have ever heard of. Roy did make DM a lowball offer, the same type of money that fighters like Telesco and Frazier made to face Roy.

Btw DM made 1 million against Hill, well over 2 mil against Rocky (rematch), and over 4 million USD for his fight with Tiozzo, plus more money off of endorsements; I sincerely doubt anything Roy/HBO offered was even close to this.

Would you have a link?

[Unlimited]

Come on guys we all know that roy did not want to fights hopkins later in their careers because jones would have gotten killed just like tarver did.

Maybe not:-( you seriously think hopkins would kill RJJ?

[klion22]

Maybe not:-( you seriously think hopkins would kill RJJ?

Not kill RJJ but i think it would've been closer because RJJ still had his raw talents when they first fought and that is what Jones continued to rely upon later in his career. Hopkins, on the other hand, became much more polished since they first fought and became a truly complete boxer who knew all the tricks. So in that sense, i would say that Hopkins did become better based on how they fought. Jones was a guy who relied a lot on raw talent to get it done and he had that when they first fought.

There is a reason why Jones told Tito not to fight Hopkins. There is a reason why Jones thought Tito would lose when the whole world thought Tito would win.

[klion22]

And another thing.

After watching Hopkins' interview before the Trinidad fight, it's AMAZING how confident he is. He predicted the outcome just as he said it would. He said Tito is one dimensional and that he would elimate his best weapon (left hook).

And after the fight, he said he simply looked at Tito's foot to predict when the left hook was coming. The master boxer indeed!

And it's amazing how he was so right about Tarver and Wright. The guy just knows what he's doing.

[Unlimited]

[quote=McLovin]

Jones hadn't been KO'd at the time now had he? So then I guess your attempt at a joke is kinda stupid.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Get em

[Unlimited]

Not kill RJJ but i think it would've been closer because RJJ still had his raw talents when they first fought and that is what Jones continued to rely upon later in his career. Hopkins, on the other hand, became much more polished since they first fought and became a truly complete boxer who knew all the tricks. So in that sense, i would say that Hopkins did become better based on how they fought. Jones was a guy who relied a lot on raw talent to get it done and he had that when they first fought.

There is a reason why Jones told Tito not to fight Hopkins. There is a reason why Jones thought Tito would lose when the whole world thought Tito would win.

I mean yea that makes sense to tell Tito not to fight hopkins heck cause Jones wanted that check and couldnt get if if Tito lost that has nothing to do with him thinking Hopkins got anybetter and just because Hopkins beat Tarver doesnt mean he could beat Jones. Jones just always had the rite things to beat him. And when do you believe hopkins was in his prime?

[Unlimited]

And another thing.

After watching Hopkins' interview before the Trinidad fight, it's AMAZING how confident he is. He predicted the outcome just as he said it would. He said Tito is one dimensional and that he would elimate his best weapon (left hook).

And after the fight, he said he simply looked at Tito's foot to predict when the left hook was coming. The master boxer indeed!

And it's amazing how he was so right about Tarver and Wright. The guy just knows what he's doing.

Tito was just a pay day everyone knew him jumping up in weight and fighting someones as ruff a Hopkins he would lose he had no chance just like he wouldnt have aginst roy.

[klion22]

I mean yea that makes sense to tell Tito not to fight hopkins heck cause Jones wanted that check and couldnt get if if Tito lost that has nothing to do with him thinking Hopkins got anybetter and just because Hopkins beat Tarver doesnt mean he could beat Jones. Jones just always had the rite things to beat him. And when do you believe hopkins was in his prime?

No, Jones specifically told Tito not to fight Hopkins because he thought Tito would lose to Hopkins and therefore, cancel the megafight.

As for Hopkins being in his prime, i really can't say for sure.

[klion22]

Tito was just a pay day everyone knew him jumping up in weight and fighting someones as ruff a Hopkins he would lose he had no chance just like he wouldnt have aginst roy.

Oh please, that is just after the fact. Everyone didn't know that Hopkins would win. Tito was favored going in and many thought he would win. He was highly regarded before the Hopkins fight.

[kg0208]

I have never heard of this before. As far as I'm aware, HBO simply came to Universum without throwing figures around, and wanted to know how much they would want for Roy coming over there and how much it would take for Dm to come to the USA. There was never any offer from HBO that I have ever heard of. Roy did make DM a lowball offer, the same type of money that fighters like Telesco and Frazier made to face Roy.

Btw DM made 1 million against Hill, well over 2 mil against Rocky (rematch), and over 4 million USD for his fight with Tiozzo, plus more money off of endorsements; I sincerely doubt anything Roy/HBO offered was even close to this.

Would you have a link?

Nope, no link. It was something I saw that was a conversation between Lampley and Merchant in a post fight after one of Jones wins.

And I am fairly certain that they could have offered DM more than 4 million. But since there is no proof either way, I will not argue the point.

[Unlimited]

No, Jones specifically told Tito not to fight Hopkins because he thought Tito would lose to Hopkins and therefore, cancel the megafight.

As for Hopkins being in his prime, i really can't say for sure.

Yea dat was my point Roy and Hopkins knew they would kill Tito cause he was a smaller fighter and im not sure when hopkins prime was i just dont give him to much cred for Tito,DLH because of them two hoping up to fight someone they knew they would lose against so i think Hopkins realy did fight Him in his prime and should have taken the 60/40 fight i mean Roy was the reason the fight woulda been watched.

[Fab2333]

I mean yea that makes sense to tell Tito not to fight hopkins heck cause Jones wanted that check and couldnt get if if Tito lost that has nothing to do with him thinking Hopkins got anybetter and just because Hopkins beat Tarver doesnt mean he could beat Jones. Jones just always had the rite things to beat him. And when do you believe hopkins was in his prime?

When RJ beat Hopkins he was in his PRIME. I dont understand that. They say you are in your prime of life from 21 I think until 35 or somethin like that. When ya body is fully matured and at its physical peak. And when RJ beat b-hop he was in his prime. DOnt see how a 2nd fight would have been different. RJ just got the skill to beat B-HOP period

[kg0208]

Not kill RJJ but i think it would've been closer because RJJ still had his raw talents when they first fought and that is what Jones continued to rely upon later in his career. Hopkins, on the other hand, became much more polished since they first fought and became a truly complete boxer who knew all the tricks. So in that sense, i would say that Hopkins did become better based on how they fought. Jones was a guy who relied a lot on raw talent to get it done and he had that when they first fought.

There is a reason why Jones told Tito not to fight Hopkins. There is a reason why Jones thought Tito would lose when the whole world thought Tito would win.

No, you have this all wrong. Jones had plenty of skill. It was tailor made to his athletic raw talent, and when that went away he never adapted it. But can be as quick as you like, if you don't know where to place your punches it won't matter. He also knew how to throw the punches. He had great footwork. It wasn't just athleticism.

As for Hopkins, he had gotten smarter as the years wore on and more skilled. He was also far less imposing physically as his work rate and speed had gone down.

[klion22]

No, you have this all wrong. Jones had plenty of skill. It was tailor made to his athletic raw talent, and when that went away he never adapted it. But can be as quick as you like, if you don't know where to place your punches it won't matter. He also knew how to throw the punches. He had great footwork. It wasn't just athleticism.

As for Hopkins, he had gotten smarter as the years wore on and more skilled. He was also far less imposing physically as his work rate and speed had gone down.

Gee, i don't ever recall saying he relied SOLELY on his raw talents but make no mistake that it was his special physical talents that made him what he was. He wasn't known for his great boxing skills. Yes, you need good brains to use it correctly but come on, it's not that complicated.

[Piffer]

Jones not fighting DM was one of the biggest travesties in boxing in the past couple of decades. That fight should have happened to decide who the true champ at light heavy was. It never happened, and by lineage DM was the proper champ, and that lineage continues to this day through Zsolt Erdei. To be honest, Jones should have fought Erdei. It would have been ironic that he would have been the man yet most people (wrongly) assume Hopkins is the lineal champ.

[Fab2333]

Gee, i don't ever recall saying he relied SOLELY on his raw talents but make no mistake that it was his special physical talents that made him what he was. He wasn't known for his great boxing skills. Yes, you need good brains to use it correctly but come on, it's not that complicated.

speed + agility + ring generalship = skills no if and buts about it. Yes RJ was gifted athletically. But he was a hell of a boxer. a Boxers job is to throw punches, and if i recall RJ was the best at that. He may do it differently than others, but at the time no1 was better

[kg0208]

Gee, i don't ever recall saying he relied SOLELY on his raw talents but make no mistake that it was his special physical talents that made him what he was. He wasn't known for his great boxing skills. Yes, you need good brains to use it correctly but come on, it's not that complicated.

No, it is very complicated. Jones was very skilled.

RJJ still had his raw talents when they first fought and that is what Jones continued to rely upon later in his career

That is what you said. Jones only used his athletic talent to enhance his skill. When it diminished, he didn't adapt. His problem is learning to adapt, not his skill level. Rolling with punches, punch placement, etc. Have you ever listened to Jones commentate? He knows the game very well.

[Unlimited]

Oh please, that is just after the fact. Everyone didn't know that Hopkins would win. Tito was favored going in and many thought he would win. He was highly regarded before the Hopkins fight.

Wow i dont remember dat I could swear dat the Champ who has held the belt like forever would been da fav then Tito hoping up like 2 weight classes:lol:

[Guru_Too_You]

Wow i dont remember dat I could swear dat the Champ who has held the belt like forever would been da fav then Tito hoping up like 2 weight classes:lol:
Tito was a monsterous favorite going into the bout, which is why I made a pretty penny on that bout.

[Unlimited]

When RJ beat Hopkins he was in his PRIME. I dont understand that. They say you are in your prime of life from 21 I think until 35 or somethin like that. When ya body is fully matured and at its physical peak. And when RJ beat b-hop he was in his prime. DOnt see how a 2nd fight would have been different. RJ just got the skill to beat B-HOP period

I agree RJ has and will always Have Hopkins card. But who are all these other people?

Dariusz Michalczewski
Vasily Jirov
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank

were they really that great that their names should go down in HOF none of these names stick out to me except maybe Nigel.

[Fab2333]

I agree RJ has and will always Have Hopkins card. But who are all these other people?

Dariusz Michalczewski
Vasily Jirov
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank

were they really that great that their names should go down in HOF none of these names stick out to me except maybe Nigel.

yup same here

those dudes you lsited RJ would have wooped them all.
People kno that, but you will never know b/c they never fought
Eubank didnt want to fight RJ, he said it himself in an interview, he said he know RJ would woop him.
Benn if im not mistaken was offered money to fight RJ. But turned it down. The other 2 im not sure of wat happened. So i wont say somethin thats false. KG prolly would kno

[Unlimited]

yup same here

those dudes you lsited RJ would have wooped them all.
People kno that, but you will never know b/c they never fought
Eubank didnt want to fight RJ, he said it himself in an interview, he said he know RJ would woop him.
Benn if im not mistaken was offered money to fight RJ. But turned it down. The other 2 im not sure of wat happened. So i wont say somethin thats false. KG prolly would kno

I guess in order for ROY to have gotten cred he woulda had to fight tyson or Lewis it crazy i mean there wasnt many good people for him to fight

[rico]

RJJ had a problem with southpaws long before Tarver ever KHTFO. He avoided Frankie Liles since the Golden Glove days when he was given the gift decision over him in the amateurs. BTW, Fabulous Frankie beat the livin' snot out of Michael Nunn and would have destroyed RJJ in the pros. Liles was beltholder for six years and was avoided by everyone except the overseas guys who were hungry enough to chance looking bad against a slick boxer like him.

[Fab2333]

I guess in order for ROY to have gotten cred he woulda had to fight tyson or Lewis it crazy i mean there wasnt many good people for him to fight

your right. RJ came into boxing when there wasnt a lot of "talent" that could have gave him a run 4 his money when he was in his prime. People fault him 4 that.
People need to just face it that RJ was just better than evry1 perioid. Like we will try to justify it. But he was just better. Even if RJ would have came into boxing around now. The big names out there. RJ would woop them. You cant deny his skills. Dude was just nice period

[kg0208]

RJJ had a problem with southpaws long before Tarver ever KHTFO. He avoided Frankie Liles since the Golden Glove days when he was given the gift decision over him in the amateurs. BTW, Fabulous Frankie beat the livin' snot out of Michael Nunn and would have destroyed RJJ in the pros. Liles was beltholder for six years and was avoided by everyone except the overseas guys who were hungry enough to chance looking bad against a slick boxer like him.
Liles turned Jones down too.....HBO confirmed this. But nice try.

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[Unlimited]

your right. RJ came into boxing when there wasnt a lot of "talent" that could have gave him a run 4 his money when he was in his prime. People fault him 4 that.
People need to just face it that RJ was just better than evry1 perioid. Like we will try to justify it. But he was just better. Even if RJ would have came into boxing around now. The big names out there. RJ would woop them. You cant deny his skills. Dude was just nice period

Who do you think at LHW now could've had a chance against a prime Roy?

[Guru_Too_You]

Who do you think at LHW now could've had a chance against a prime Roy?

Dawson would offer him a stylistic problem, but given that Dawson has been dropped by far lesser punchers, Jones would have knocked him out.

Beyond that, nobody would have even troubled a prime Roy.

[kg0208]

Who do you think at LHW now could've had a chance against a prime Roy?

At LHW? Dawson cuz he is rangy. Remember, while Jones was still in his physical prime, 175 was not Jones prime weight. He was not as good at LHW as he was at MW and SMW.

[Fab2333]

Who do you think at LHW now could've had a chance against a prime Roy?

a chance?

hmm mayb CHad Dawson, b/c he got decent power and fast hands, and he's a southpaw. But prime RJ I would still pick him. Even though Chad got lots of skill, he can b hit, and hurt. We seen that be4. So I would still pick RJ

[Unlimited]

At LHW? Dawson cuz he is rangy. Remember, while Jones was still in his physical prime, 175 was not Jones prime weight. He was not as good at LHW as he was at MW and SMW.

How about MW and SMW?

[Fab2333]

How about MW and SMW?

2 b honest, and i probably would catch flack 4 it. But its my opinion. at MW, or SUper middleweight.
Absolutely no1 IMO

Prime Rj. no1 in those 2 divisions could see him IMO

[kg0208]

How about MW and SMW?

Fighting there now? No one.

[Guru_Too_You]

How about MW and SMW?

Nobody.

[Guru_Too_You]

LOL.

Same three answers for both questions posed.

First one all for the same reasons.

Classic

[Unlimited]

LOL.

Same three answers for both questions posed.

First one all for the same reasons.

Classic


I agree also Nobody

[Axe]

Nope, no link. It was something I saw that was a conversation between Lampley and Merchant in a post fight after one of Jones wins.

And I am fairly certain that they could have offered DM more than 4 million. But since there is no proof either way, I will not argue the point.

Fair enough, though I'm not certain that they'd offer DM more than 4 mil. Particularly considering that 8-10 years ago, 4 mil was considerably more for a boxer than it is today. DM wasn't well known in the States (his own fault), which would have been a big deterrant for HBO throwing that kind of money at him.

As to Lampley and Merchant, I believe they were under a contract--imposed by Roy Jones himself--which stipulated that they were not allowed to mention DM's name on air during any Roy Jones fight, so I doubt they referred to him. I saw numerous fights where Merchant referred to "other challenges at LHW" but none where he explicitly mentioned Michalczewski.

[Ramshall1]

Tarver always had and always will have RJJ's number.

[Guru_Too_You]

Tarver always had and always will have RJJ's number.

LOL.

OK.

[Ramshall1]

on my card Tarver beat RJJ in the first fight, clearly beat him in the last and was the first to KHTFO. Tarver is a bad style matchup for RJJ any year.