A funny thought regarding Chavez and Camacho....

[bumdujour]

well, you remember when they fought in the early 90´s( it was in 92 i think???)???

back then, camacho was viewed by the boxing public as a "bitch".
he was wearing weird dresslike trunks, was a southpaw, a "runner"( well, he moved), always clinching.........you name an unmanly aspect .....it applied to camacho.

chavez on the other hand was a mans man. he was viewed as the personified machismo......the heir of roberto duran.
simply THE mexican warrior.

but now when you look back at their careers, you have a camacho who had taken several bad beatings in his career....but always took them like a MAN! he never quit on his stool!

chavez on the other hand did.

[mr. magoo]

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but now when you look back at their careers, you have a camacho who had taken several bad beatings in his career....but always took them like a MAN! he never quit on his stool!

chavez on the other hand did.


It's like you already said. Camacho never went to battle the way Chavez did. Instead he stayed away from his foes and at times even ran a bit. You never saw anything like that with Julio.

[bumdujour]

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It's like you already said. Camacho never went to battle the way Chavez did. Instead he stayed away from his foes and at times even ran a bit. You never saw anything like that with Julio.

yes, thats why i also like chavez better than camacho.

but fact is, camacho took a brutal beating from chavez.........and didnt quit.
chavez on the other hand never took such a bad beating. but still he quit twice.

so while camacho was reluctant in the ring (stylewise), he had the heart of a warrior.

[He Hate Me]

Chavez has been in enough wars not to be judged by you.

[divac]

well, you remember when they fought in the early 90´s( it was in 92 i think???)???

back then, camacho was viewed by the boxing public as a "bitch".
he was wearing weird dresslike trunks, was a southpaw, a "runner"( well, he moved), always clinching.........you name an unmanly aspect .....it applied to camacho.

chavez on the other hand was a mans man. he was viewed as the personified machismo......the heir of roberto duran.
simply THE mexican warrior.

but now when you look back at their careers, you have a camacho who had taken several bad beatings in his career....but always took them like a MAN! he never quit on his stool!

chavez on the other hand did.

Both times Chavez supposedly quit, he had nasty cuts that merited a stoppage.

The fight with Randall, not only was that a big nasty gash, right above the eye that would have impeded his vision, but Randall's dome collided violently with Chavez, that I believe Chavez was in a daze from the clash.

I was looking the other day at the first Pac-Morales fight, there was a violent clash of heads, and Pac was dazed by it.....he even gave the impression that he did'nt want to continue.
Pac kept motioning to his head that he had been headbutted, just like Chavez did vs Randall.
The only difference is that the ring doctor did'nt deem Pac's cut nasty enough to put a halt to the fight, thus Pac was forced to continue.

Had Chavez been forced to continue by the ring doctor, I have no doubt he would have done so.

I've seen plenty of fighters after they have been headbutted, who have given me the impression that they did'nt want to continue.
Once the daze from the impact to their skull subsides a bit, they're back to the same fighter giving 100%.

With Randall, the fight was stopped due to a nasty cut, Chavez did'nt quit!
I agree, by looking at Chavez mannerisms, he did''nt look like a fighter who wanted to continue, just like Pac's mannerisms vs Morales, but Chavez never told anyone in that ring that he did'nt want to fight.


The fight with DLH was an ancient Chavez who gave everything he had for 8 rounds.
Against DLH at the end of the 8th, Chavez was a spent fighter who's inside of his mouth got busted up by a DLH combination that was exclamated by a DLH thunderous 45 hook that misplaced Chavez mouthpiece and had him bite down inside his mouth causing a severe cut within.
Chavez was a spent fighter who now had a steady flow of blood from inside his mouth.
There is no real reason to call Chavez a quitter for not coming out for the 9th for DLH!


One thing about Chavez in comparison to Camacho.
Chavez has always fought to win.
Camacho in many of his fights has fought to survive, to me thats essentially quitting.
Once a fighter stops trying to win, and goes into survival mode, essentially he has quit, and Camacho did that on a few occasions!

[My dinner with Conteh]

Camacho in many of his fights has fought to survive, to me thats essentially quitting.
Once a fighter stops trying to win, and goes into survival mode, essentially he has quit, and Camacho did that on a few occasions!


Very true. People need to take this into account. It's a bit easier to show guts when you're not taking any risks, if Camacho had gone out in the final, or one of the late rounds, to actually win the fight and go for broke then he'd have taken lots of shots that he didn't anticipate- that's real heart.

[JohnThomas1]

One thing about Chavez in comparison to Camacho.
Chavez has always fought to win.
Camacho in many of his fights has fought to survive, to me thats essentially quitting.
Once a fighter stops trying to win, and goes into survival mode, essentially he has quit, and Camacho did that on a few occasions!

Bravo.

[He Hate Me]

Lets not forget how great chavez was during that era. I remember the comentator said about camacho, ending the fight on his own two feet against chavez is a moral victory.

[JohnThomas1]

Lets not forget how great chavez was during that era. I remember the comentator said about camacho, ending the fight on his own two feet against chavez is a moral victory.

Depends on how good you are and what sense of self worth you have i guess. A great like Whitaker just 12 months later was anything but content just to finish on his feet. Big class difference tho, Camacho did ok given his ability.

[redrooster]

Dlh, Chavez quit but who was expecting him to do as well as he did?

He was too worn out to be given hope. 100 fights and old age did him in.

As for the reason he no longer wanted to continue, maybe he just wanted to protect his lip. I once saw Arguello cut Escalers lip so badly the referee actually stopped it for that reason.

Have to give Hector credit for hanging in there the 3 times he was brutalized--he was a real lion in the ring.

He may have lost his talent but not his courage.

[sweet_scientist]

Both times Chavez supposedly quit, he had nasty cuts that merited a stoppage.

The fight with Randall, not only was that a big nasty gash, right above the eye that would have impeded his vision, but Randall's dome collided violently with Chavez, that I believe Chavez was in a daze from the clash.

I was looking the other day at the first Pac-Morales fight, there was a violent clash of heads, and Pac was dazed by it.....he even gave the impression that he did'nt want to continue.
Pac kept motioning to his head that he had been headbutted, just like Chavez did vs Randall.
The only difference is that the ring doctor did'nt deem Pac's cut nasty enough to put a halt to the fight, thus Pac was forced to continue.

Had Chavez been forced to continue by the ring doctor, I have no doubt he would have done so.

I've seen plenty of fighters after they have been headbutted, who have given me the impression that they did'nt want to continue.
Once the daze from the impact to their skull subsides a bit, they're back to the same fighter giving 100%.

With Randall, the fight was stopped due to a nasty cut, Chavez did'nt quit!
I agree, by looking at Chavez mannerisms, he did''nt look like a fighter who wanted to continue, just like Pac's mannerisms vs Morales, but Chavez never told anyone in that ring that he did'nt want to fight.

Here's the dialogue between Flip Homansky and Mills Lane

Mills: What do you think?
Flip: No, stop it.
Mills: Stop the fight?
Flip: He (Chavez) wants you to.
Mills: You want the fight to go on?
Flip: Stop it. It should not go on. He (Chavez) says 'no.'

To me, given the tide of the fight, that was a quit. Chavez was going all out and looked tired as hell. He saw an escape route and took it. There's no way Chavez would have wished to stop the fight if he wasn't in deep trouble in the fight itself.

I don't know how bad the cut was, but I think Flip would have let it go on if Chavez didn't say enough.


The fight with DLH was an ancient Chavez who gave everything he had for 8 rounds.
Against DLH at the end of the 8th, Chavez was a spent fighter who's inside of his mouth got busted up by a DLH combination that was exclamated by a DLH thunderous 45 hook that misplaced Chavez mouthpiece and had him bite down inside his mouth causing a severe cut within.
Chavez was a spent fighter who now had a steady flow of blood from inside his mouth.
There is no real reason to call Chavez a quitter for not coming out for the 9th for DLH!

He quit. He had reason to, but he quit. Others would have went out on their shield. I think they deserve respect for doing so, and Chavez does not deserve the same respect of being in their camp as a non-quitter. He quit.

I know you're going to turn around and tell me Whitaker quit too. Yes, I agree he did. He had reason to, but he quit all the same.


One thing about Chavez in comparison to Camacho.
Chavez has always fought to win.
Camacho in many of his fights has fought to survive, to me thats essentially quitting.
Once a fighter stops trying to win, and goes into survival mode, essentially he has quit, and Camacho did that on a few occasions!

That's true. But face facts, on a couple of occasions when Chavez felt he couldn't win, he literally quit.

[red cobra]

Chavez was actually something of a front-runner if you think about it, with the exception of the Taylor bout. True, there wasn't a whole lot of guys in his resume who really pushed him, but the greats all had to struggle at times and prove their mettle. The thing that sticks in my craw is Chavez's tendency at times to be whining crybaby. His rematch against Frankie Randall was an outrage. If the cut was an accidental butt, then so be it, but to ask him if he wanted to continue, and have him elect not to was bull crap. Imagine real wariiors from Marciano down to Gatti refusing to carry on like that. That ending in that fight should have never been allowed to stand. Jose whatever his name was wanted to make sure that he would win that rematch and take the title back to Mayheco in that fight. The ref should have either stopped the fight and declared it a no contest, or declared Randall the winner.

[red cobra]

Camacho was, oddly enough, for a guy who, after Edwin Rosario scared him into being a gutless coward, was actually quite brave against Chavez, and took his beating like a man.

[divac]

Chavez was actually something of a front-runner if you think about it, with the exception of the Taylor bout. True, there wasn't a whole lot of guys in his resume who really pushed him, but the greats all had to struggle at times and prove their mettle. The thing that sticks in my craw is Chavez's tendency at times to be whining crybaby. His rematch against Frankie Randall was an outrage. If the cut was an accidental butt, then so be it, but to ask him if he wanted to continue, and have him elect not to was bull crap. Imagine real wariiors from Marciano down to Gatti refusing to carry on like that. That ending in that fight should have never been allowed to stand. Jose whatever his name was wanted to make sure that he would win that rematch and take the title back to Mayheco in that fight. The ref should have either stopped the fight and declared it a no contest, or declared Randall the winner.

I dont know who gave you that information, but it's wrong.
Chavez was'nt given a choice whether he wanted to continue or not.

In fact, as soon as the cut happened the Showtime crew immediately recognized it as a bad and Nasty cut, going as far as mentioning it was in a bad spot above the eye.

Chavez was in a corner being looked at by Flip Homansky the ring doctor, and Homansky told ref Mills Lane, no, thats it.......
Homansky said, "he does'nt want to, he cant continue".....

.....later when Homansky was interviewed, he conceded that Chavez did'nt verbally tell him he did'nt want to continue, but that he took it that way from his mannerisms.
Chavez kept telling Homansky and Lane, he headbutted me.

There was'nt any sign of quit from Chavez up to the butt, then all of a sudden he's feeling in nausea's state.
The man just seconds early had been violently headbutted causing a large nasty cut just above the eyelid.......what the hell do you people want him to do, display that he's raring to go....."let me at Randall, let me at him!!":lol:

Get real people, for those of you who have not experienced getting headbutted in the skull area, its a much worse feeling than getting punched, in fact, its a debilitating experience.

Like the example I gave prior, I've seen many fighters with the same type mannerism that Chavez displayed after he was headbutted by Randall.

Homansky stopped the fight, because it was a nasty cut and Chavez was hurting from it.
The only words from Chavez to Homansky was "he headbutted me" just like Pac offered to the ref in the first Morales fight.
Homansky along with the cut being bad enough to stop, took it that Chavez did'nt want to continue.


Let me say this however, Homansky made it clear afterward that had he felt Chavez could fight and defend himself effectively with the cut, he would have let the fight continue no matter the vibe he was getting from Chavez.

Again, this was not a case of Chavez saying no mas (although I would'nt blame him with that nasty a cut) but it was a case of Dr. Flip Homansky deciding through Chavez' mannerisms that the cut was indeed bad, and Chavez did'nt look like he wanted to continue.



Sorry Scientist, Homansky did tell Lane, he does'nt want to continue, but it was'nt Chavez who told him that. Homansky read Chavez' mannerisms and decided here is a man that does'nt want to continue.
Two different things here friend!

[He Hate Me]

Depends on how good you are and what sense of self worth you have i guess. A great like Whitaker just 12 months later was anything but content just to finish on his feet. Big class difference tho, Camacho did ok given his ability.

The difference in caliber opponent was much different. Camacho never held p4p status and whitaker did. Camacho was more concerned about looking good first and winning second.:bbb

[Duodenum]

To me, the bizarre paradox of Hector Camacho's boxing career is that he is supposed to have been a great streetfighter, claiming he never lost one (although he admitted to using a bat or brick on occasion to get the better of his antagonist).

Ultimately, the impression of him that I envision in my mind is of the demonic speedster who overwhelmed Louis Loy in his national television debut. SRL provided color commentary on his one round single punch annihilation of John Montes, and raved about how Camacho set up Montes for that left uppercut, with his extended right arm held over the head to set it up, for months on end. (Ray was such a big fan of Camacho's in the early eighties, when Macho was a junior lightweight, that it seems incredible Hector would ultimately retire him as a MW nearly a decade and a half later.)

Melvin Paul boxed him intelligently, not giving him the usual opportunities to counter. It wasn't exciting, except for some momentary clowning by Camacho, but for the most part, he maintained an expression of very intense concentration, and shooting out one jab at a time, he won an extremely tense and tedious chessmatch over a fine craftsman.

Where Camacho lost my interest was when he faced Cubanito Perez. Irleis buckled him early with a body assault in the corner, and from that point on Hector would rush him with multiple jabs and then clinch to prevent countering. Perez seeming exposed Camacho as somebody who couldn't take it downstairs, and had serious problems with physically stronger opposition. I remember Cubanito as a big strong lightweight, and fine counterpuncher. The audience booed the decision in favor of Camacho, but at least Hector was running at him with his jabs and clinches. (Irleis Perez could have been an ATG, except for being developmentally crippled with allergies. Boxers can self-destruct by choosing to eat, drink, abuse drugs, or indulge in other unhealthy behaviors, but to be sidetracked with a malfunctioning immune system is dreadfully unfortunate.)

While Camacho succeeded in sustaining a very long career, he started out giving the impression early that he might be an aggressive predatory killer in the ring, but he ultimately didn't make the most of his talent. He didn't grind his body down with incessant training either, but with a hungrier attitude, he would have been the reincarnation of Willie Pep.

As smart and experienced as he is, if he developed better communication skills, he would make a superb commentator. Unfortunately he's more intelligent than he is articulate about boxing, and he remains quite the juvenile delinquent in his personal life.

[sweet_scientist]

I dont know who gave you that information, but it's wrong.
Chavez was'nt given a choice whether he wanted to continue or not.

In fact, as soon as the cut happened the Showtime crew immediately recognized it as a bad and Nasty cut, going as far as mentioning it was in a bad spot above the eye.

Chavez was in a corner being looked at by Flip Homansky the ring doctor, and Homansky told ref Mills Lane, no, thats it.......
Homansky said, "he does'nt want to, he cant continue".....

.....later when Homansky was interviewed, he conceded that Chavez did'nt verbally tell him he did'nt want to continue, but that he took it that way from his mannerisms.
Chavez kept telling Homansky and Lane, he headbutted me.

There was'nt any sign of quit from Chavez up to the butt, then all of a sudden he's feeling in nausea's state.
The man just seconds early had been violently headbutted causing a large nasty cut just above the eyelid.......what the hell do you people want him to do, display that he's raring to go....."let me at Randall, let me at him!!":lol:

Get real people, for those of you who have not experienced getting headbutted in the skull area, its a much worse feeling than getting punched, in fact, its a debilitating experience.

Like the example I gave prior, I've seen many fighters with the same type mannerism that Chavez displayed after he was headbutted by Randall.

Homansky stopped the fight, because it was a nasty cut and Chavez was hurting from it.
The only words from Chavez to Homansky was "he headbutted me" just like Pac offered to the ref in the first Morales fight.
Homansky along with the cut being bad enough to stop, took it that Chavez did'nt want to continue.


Let me say this however, Homansky made it clear afterward that had he felt Chavez could fight and defend himself effectively with the cut, he would have let the fight continue no matter the vibe he was getting from Chavez.

Again, this was not a case of Chavez saying no mas (although I would'nt blame him with that nasty a cut) but it was a case of Dr. Flip Homansky deciding through Chavez' mannerisms that the cut was indeed bad, and Chavez did'nt look like he wanted to continue.



Sorry Scientist, Homansky did tell Lane, he does'nt want to continue, but it was'nt Chavez who told him that. Homansky read Chavez' mannerisms and decided here is a man that does'nt want to continue.
Two different things here friend!

How often in the history of the sport has anyone literally said I don't want to continue, I've had enough? If that's the definition of quitting, hardly anyone has ever quit.

Chavez didn't quit against DLH either then, because all he did was refuse his mouthguard and complain about his lip and ribs. He didn't say he didn't want to continue! :lol:

Quitting is nearly always done through mannerisms or through complaints.

I'll never believe that Homansky stopped that fight because of the severity of the cut alone. He referenced Chavez not wanting to continue TWICE as Mills Lane was probing him.

He sured up his story afterwards not to seem biased, but come on, why would he answer Mills TWICE with reference to what Chavez wanted?

[divac]

How often in the history of the sport has anyone literally said I don't want to continue, I've had enough? If that's the definition of quitting, hardly anyone has ever quit.

Chavez didn't quit against DLH either then, because all he did was refuse his mouthguard and complain about his lip and ribs. He didn't say he didn't want to continue! :lol:

Quitting is nearly always done through mannerisms or through complaints.

I'll never believe that Homansky stopped that fight because of the severity of the cut alone. He referenced Chavez not wanting to continue TWICE as Mills Lane was probing him.

He sured up his story afterwards not to seem biased, but come on, why would he answer Mills TWICE with reference to what Chavez wanted?

The impression I'm getting from you and others in this thread is that it was Chavez' sole decision to not continue.....and thats not true.

If I'm not mistaken, when Homansky told Lane something to the effect, "no more, he does'nt want to go on"......Lane then told Homansky so that he (Lane) could decide what to do next and find out who was stopping the fight, Homansky or Chavez.....Lane asked Homansky, "are you stopping it?" and Homansky said yes!

Lane was wise to get that straight, because he could'nt let the fighter stop it. The doctor could stop it, but not the fighter.


I'll never believe that Homansky stopped that fight because of the severity of the cut alone. He referenced Chavez not wanting to continue TWICE as Mills Lane was probing him.

Just answer this Scientist, do you believe the cut to be severe enough to stop the fight?????
Not only was that a nasty gash, but it was a large and deep cut.
Are you going to tell me that Homansky erred in stopping the fight?
Chavez was good to go with that cut?

[sweet_scientist]

The impression I'm getting from you and others in this thread is that it was Chavez' sole decision to not continue.....and thats not true.

If I'm not mistaken, when Homansky told Lane something to the effect, "no more, he does'nt want to go on"......Lane then told Homansky so that he (Lane) could decide what to do next and find out who was stopping the fight, Homansky or Chavez.....Lane asked Homansky, "are you stopping it?" and Homansky said yes!

Lane was wise to get that straight, because he could'nt let the fighter stop it. The doctor could stop it, but not the fighter.
To repeat, here's the dialogue between Flip Homansky and Mills Lane:

Mills: What do you think?
Flip: No, stop it.
Mills: Stop the fight?
Flip: He (Chavez) wants you to.
Mills: You want the fight to go on?
Flip: Stop it. It should not go on. He (Chavez) says 'no.'

After the first time Flip told Mills to stop the fight, Mills thought that Homansky was stopping it because Chavez wanted it stopped. So Mills Lane asked again (knowing that only the ref can stop it) whether Flip himself wanted the fight to continue. Flip then said stop it. Mills did. As Mills is waving the fight off Flip says 'he (Chavez) says 'no'.

I think Homansky was being overly protective of Chavez. Flip made the decision to stop the fight, but I feel Chavez's demeanour (as well as his stature) had a lot to do with it. Had that been Randall in the exact same situation as Chavez I'd bet my house the fight would have continued.


Just answer this Scientist, do you believe the cut to be severe enough to stop the fight?????
Not only was that a nasty gash, but it was a large and deep cut.
Are you going to tell me that Homansky erred in stopping the fight?
Chavez was good to go with that cut?
Not being a doctor and being up in the thick of it, I can't really say. What I can say is that I have seen fighters continue with what LOOKS to be worse cuts.

A stoppage might have been warranted, but to mention what Chavez wanted TWICE in your rationale for it, sounds kind of fishy to me.

[divac]

To repeat, here's the dialogue between Flip Homansky and Mills Lane:

Mills: What do you think?
Flip: No, stop it.
Mills: Stop the fight?
Flip: He (Chavez) wants you to.
Mills: You want the fight to go on?
Flip: Stop it. It should not go on. He (Chavez) says 'no.'

After the first time Flip told Mills to stop the fight, Mills thought that Homansky was stopping it because Chavez wanted it stopped. So Mills Lane asked again (knowing that only the ref can stop it) whether Flip himself wanted the fight to continue. Flip then said stop it. Mills did. As Mills is waving the fight off Flip says 'he (Chavez) says 'no'.

I think Homansky was being overly protective of Chavez. Flip made the decision to stop the fight, but I feel Chavez's demeanour (as well as his stature) had a lot to do with it. Had that been Randall in the exact same situation as Chavez I'd bet my house the fight would have continued.


Not being a doctor and being up in the thick of it, I can't really say. What I can say is that I have seen fighters continue with what LOOKS to be worse cuts.

A stoppage might have been warranted, but to mention what Chavez wanted TWICE in your rationale for it, sounds kind of fishy to me.



You dont know, you're not a doctor?:lol:


Listen, I've seen fighters continue with just as bad a cut, but usually when the fighter lets the ref know that he wants to continue, that he could fight with the cut, its' because the cut has'nt been ruled to be by an accidental butt, or the cut fighter knows he'd be behind if they went to the cards.

The Chavez-Randall fight was a situation where it was give and take, then all of a sudden one fighter is dizzy from being butted at about the temple spot and now at a huge disadvantage if he were to continue.

I have no idea if Chavez was thinking along those lines, but he more than likely was going to get ouboxed by Randall the rest of the way with blood trickling into his eye.
Those types of deep gashes usually get worse as the fight goes, not better.

Looking back at the fight now, I think the only fair way to have settled that fight was to go the scorecards and score 8 rounds between two healthy fighters, and not Chavez having to fight the last four rounds with a handicap.

I've always said it, it was an inconclusive ending. As a Chavez fan, I was'nt satisfied with the ending.
But what are you going to do. I certainly would'nt expect either fighter to have continued to fight on with that nasty a gash, and that deep a cut.

I dont agree with you Scientist that Homansky would not have acted the same way if the cut was on Randall.

However, Randall would have imo likely have continued with the cut, because in such a nip and tuck and close fight, Randall would have realized that the odds of him getting a decision in such a close fight vs a legend like Chavez, was against him. He would have let the ref know he wanted to continue, unless he was fairly sure he had outboxed Chavez clearly enough to be up on the cards.

By the looks of Chavez instantly after getting butted....he was nauseated and sick to his stomach. That can occur when you get butted near the temple area.
Chavez certainly was'nt feeling well, and it was compounded by the knowing that he had a deep cut right above his eye.
He still never said to Homansky that he did'nt want to continue, but was pointing to his head and letting him know that he was headbutted.

Dont call Chavez a quitter for the act of Homansky.
Had Homansky told Mills Lane that Chavez in his opinion was good to go, and Chavez refused, then I would say that was Chavez quitting.


Homansky would have likely let the fight continue another round or two and checked if the cut was'nt bleeding and interfering with Chavez' vision.
.....but I've seen most doctors stop it when the fighter is'nt showing enthusiasm to continue, and then go to the cards.


I hate the word quitter labeled to fighters in situations like that in which Chavez was up against.
He certainly did'nt chose to get butt and cutted, and was fighting galantly at the time of the butt.

Like I said earlier with respects to Pac vs Morales.....it was very early in the fight when he was butted.....Morales was boxing the pants off of Pac.....Pac got butted and had about the same mannerisms as Chavez
(and his was just a small cut in comparison to Chavez'.)
Pac most likely would not have complained had the fight been stopped and ruled a no contest.

But the ref ruled for the fight to continue and continue Pac did, even while not feeling well from the effects of the butt.

I have absolutely no doubt that Chavez would have continued had the ref ruled for them to do so.


What I'm getting at is dont call Chavez a quitter over the acts of Flip Homansky.
If Homansky was influenced by Chavez mannerisms, thats on Flip Homansky.
......at the end of the night, accoding to Homansky called the fight because of two things.....the cut was bad enough for stoppage, and Chavez did'nt look eager to continue.

Homansky probably lets the fight go another round or two and see if the cut is'nt hindering the action.
.....but what does Homansky do when he's looking at the cut which is bad enough to stop, and then see's a fighter that is hurting in front of him.

Both Chavez and Homansky were in tough spots in that situation.
....but at the end of the night, the right thing was done by adding up the cards of rounds that were fought between two healthy fighters!

Chavez is labeled as a quitter by some of his most ardent haters, (calm down Scientist, I dont believe thats you.:D )

.....but fighters who should rightfully be labeled quitters are fighters like Alcelino Freitas who has quit in fights he's in while not suffering a substantial injury.
Freitas even quit in a fight against Chico Corrales where many still had him up in front!
Thats a quitter.