IBO Regional Titles

[julian]

What's going on with these IBO regional titles.
Why are so many fighters winning these belts and then either moving over to other organisations, or just not defending them at all.
Ryan Waters and Sonny Michael are just two that I can think of and I'm just curious as to why.
In my opinion the IBO have the best ratings system of any world organisation but it's starting to look like the regional side of things is just being used as a belt collecting excercise.

[Phil Austin]

Hi Julian
I think you have a point in some cases! Others it's been a case of winning the title and then realising that it is not a short cut to a world title shot that some others are but a genuine stepping stone that still requires quality opposition before the world title shot (although they can get exemptions under certain circumstances).
Daniel Geale, Robert Medley and Billy Dib have all parlayed regional titles into world title shots and Medley will do so again
regards
Phil

[Barge FTA]

may it also have something to do with the fact that many of the IBO regional titles are over 10 rounds instead of 12?

[Phil Austin]

Not an objection I have had before Barge, but maybe you have a point??

[ashley]

may it also have something to do with the fact that many of the IBO regional titles are over 10 rounds instead of 12?

Barge....your back.....I thought you leave us over the winter so you can watch all the NRL ganes and spend the week on replays :hey

[perfect jet]

Hi Julian
I think you have a point in some cases! Others it's been a case of winning the title and then realising that it is not a short cut to a world title shot that some others are but a genuine stepping stone that still requires quality opposition before the world title shot (although they can get exemptions under certain circumstances).
Daniel Geale, Robert Medley and Billy Dib have all parlayed regional titles into world title shots and Medley will do so again
regards
Phil

lol lol lol

A regional title isn't a short cut to a world title fight???

You make it sound like Medley is proof that this isn't the case. Regardless, your diatribe is absolute garbage Phil.

After losing a welterweight title fight against Hlatswaayo, he beats Don Don Sultan (15-9-2) for a vacant inter-continental IBO title. Then gets another title fight against Hlatswaayo. Not a short cut? He didn't exactly walk over hot coals to get a rematch did he Phil...

Now you say Medley will fight for another IBO world title. Is that a reward for beating 8-1 Tui Leveni for the vacant IBO inter-continental belt? I guess it was a monumental win for Medley because afterall, Leveni was coming off a hard fought 4 rd unanimous decision against bad ass Paz Viejo.

Nice try Phil :)

[T.C.W]

there a joke just like the rest of these silly titles, WBA aer worst of the lot, sometime they have 3 world champions in the same divison at same time.

[Marcus]

of course there are too many belts, the boxers dont even care about them. if they did, every fight wouldnt be for the vacant title.

[JOSEY WALES]

The IBO are just a bunch of WBA , WBO , WBC & IBF wannabe's , Just another pimple on the arse of the sport , sanction fees = Free money , Free money = Bums trying to get something for nothing at the expense of the real hero's in the sport ie the actual boxers . fucking disgrace all these mickey mouse cunting plastc belts and the guys supplying them , One World One Champ in each weight .

[flamengo]

Ricky Hatton currently holds which title...???????

You're right though Josey, fans know which fights they want to witness... regardless of the alphabets thrown in.

This fucked up alphabet might change into Japanese symbols later on... just to create some interest again..

[JOSEY WALES]

Ricky Hatton currently holds which title...???????

You're right though Josey, fans know which fights they want to witness... regardless of the alphabets thrown in.

This fucked up alphabet might change into Japanese symbols later on... just to create some interest again..

Yea im well aware of what Bullshit belt Hatton wears Flamer mate but i dosent alter the fact its a bullshit belt all the same , i was laughing at the morons claiming Joe Calzaghe was Great because he was going to beat Marciano's record lol More bullshite imo Calzaghe only just recently unified all the plastic belts to become undisputed , sorry but i aint a fan who calls a bloke a champ at the drop of a hat as it appears to be all the rage in the southern hemisphere and more worrying the northern Hemisphere , these belts mean FUCK ALL its just another org tryin to screw the fighters and the fans .

[flamengo]

Yea im well aware of what Bullshit belt Hatton wears Flamer mate but i dosent alter the fact its a bullshit belt all the same , i was laughing at the morons claiming Joe Calzaghe was Great because he was going to beat Marciano's record lol More bullshite imo Calzaghe only just recently unified all the plastic belts to become undisputed , sorry but i aint a fan who calls a bloke a champ at the drop of a hat as it appears to be all the rage in the southern hemisphere and more worrying the northern Hemisphere , these belts mean FUCK ALL its just another org tryin to screw the fighters and the fans .

All points taken mate.

Achievements are Achievements...

Credibility is Credibility....

NOSTALGIA IS NOSTALGIA..... this sorts itself out in time!!

:good

[JOSEY WALES]

Yep its just like Joe made the WBO . the IBO are probably praying Hatton makes theirs . the question shouldn't be do we need another org ? it should be do we need ANY of these phoney arse straps ?

[flamengo]

Its clear that ALPHABET BELTS hold little value.

With both, Ricky Hatton and Daniel Geale holding IBO divisional titles, theres a clear clarity of difference of between the two mens stature on a world level.

In many ways, this really puts Daniel Geale in a negative corner, as all would consider his legitimacy somewhat poor. Should he beat Mundine, does his platform become elevated on a world base?? I doubt it. Danel Geale would have to prove himself again, at a higher risk level to gain the dollars deserved to him.

With both Hatton and Geale holding IBO titles, the true value of the 'TITLE' is exposed via the monetory values especially. Again, should Geale beat Mundine, his next defence would be for lesser money...

[JOSEY WALES]

Its clear that ALPHABET BELTS hold little value.

With both, Ricky Hatton and Daniel Geale holding IBO divisional titles, theres a clear clarity of difference of between the two mens stature on a world level.

In many ways, this really puts Daniel Geale in a negative corner, as all would consider his legitimacy somewhat poor. Should he beat Mundine, does his platform become elevated on a world base?? I doubt it. Danel Geale would have to prove himself again, at a higher risk level to gain the dollars deserved to him.

With both Hatton and Geale holding IBO titles, the true value of the 'TITLE' is exposed via the monetory values especially. Again, should Geale beat Mundine, his next defence would be for lesser money...
Yes i agree mate also having Australia's most famous boxer holding the ibo will not do that particular org any harm either as Mundine held the prestigious WBA "Regular Champ" all said and done .:roll:

[Phil Austin]

lol lol lol

A regional title isn't a short cut to a world title fight???

You make it sound like Medley is proof that this isn't the case. Regardless, your diatribe is absolute garbage Phil.

After losing a welterweight title fight against Hlatswaayo, he beats Don Don Sultan (15-9-2) for a vacant inter-continental IBO title. Then gets another title fight against Hlatswaayo. Not a short cut? He didn't exactly walk over hot coals to get a rematch did he Phil...

Now you say Medley will fight for another IBO world title. Is that a reward for beating 8-1 Tui Leveni for the vacant IBO inter-continental belt? I guess it was a monumental win for Medley because afterall, Leveni was coming off a hard fought 4 rd unanimous decision against bad ass Paz Viejo.

Nice try Phil :)

Actually I'd say 'diatribe' would more aptly sum up what you have written perfect jet. No Medley is not getting a world title shot after beating Tui Leveni; he has two more fights to go against one against a top-50 fighter which is what Sultan still was at the time he fought Medley and before everyone realised he had close to nothing left and started lining up to fight him, as I said in my previous post the regionals can sometimes provide exemptions and they did in Medley's case but he still had to fight a higher rated opponent to get within range. My point about the shortcuts was you can't just fight absolutely anyone for a belt and hey presto you are high in the ratings - better clarification for you?

[Phil Austin]

The IBO are just a bunch of WBA , WBO , WBC & IBF wannabe's , Just another pimple on the arse of the sport , sanction fees = Free money , Free money = Bums trying to get something for nothing at the expense of the real hero's in the sport ie the actual boxers . fucking disgrace all these mickey mouse cunting plastc belts and the guys supplying them , One World One Champ in each weight .

Hardly - if we were we would be doing things exactly the same as them - have to say you've changed your tune about the IBO and what you wrote in here to me on the subject previously!

[perfect jet]

Actually I'd say 'diatribe' would more aptly sum up what you have written perfect jet. No Medley is not getting a world title shot after beating Tui Leveni; he has two more fights to go against one against a top-50 fighter which is what Sultan still was at the time he fought Medley and before everyone realised he had close to nothing left and started lining up to fight him, as I said in my previous post the regionals can sometimes provide exemptions and they did in Medley's case but he still had to fight a higher rated opponent to get within range. My point about the shortcuts was you can't just fight absolutely anyone for a belt and hey presto you are high in the ratings - better clarification for you?

Not really.

And I'm not saying the IBO is inherently different to any other org. Here's what I posted on another site, highlighting an absolute absurd and pathetic decision involving the IBF...

The IBF have come up with two pearlers lately. Try these on for size:

With Nate Campbell vacating his IBF lightweight belt, the title naturally became vacant. Ali Funeka is ruled inelligible to fight for the title again after losing to Campbell in a fight that Nate was overweight. They applied their own ruling that Funeka could not fight for a belt after coming off a loss. Fair enough. Not really.

The vacant title will be contested between Yuri Romanov and Fernando Angulo. Angulo defeated Ganoy two fights back but because he didn't make weight either, he forfeited the #2 spot (it was an elimination bout). So in effect he was penalised in that he only got a "win", but not the #2 spot.

Angulo then lost his next fight to an unrated guy on the Campbell/Funeka undercard, where he again didn't make weight. Unbelievably, he retained his #4 ranking, even though #6 ranked Randy Suico was punted from the top 15 after losing in Japan whilst rated #6. Ganoy also exited the top 15 after losing to Angulo.

So Angulo is 1-1 in his last two fights, didn't make weight in either of them, is ranked LOWER than Funeka....yet fights for a title.

Why the special treatment for Angulo? probably helps that he is promoted by DKP. Just a hunch. And they pay sanction fees on time.

And does anyone want to explain how Saddam Kietyongyuth was recently rated #13 IBF when he does not hold a regional belt, has never contested an IBF sanctioned bout and is not rated anywhere by any of the orgs?

Sanction $$$. It's pathetic.

[Phil Austin]

I have to agree it doesn't make a lot of sense

[JOSEY WALES]

Hardly - if we were we would be doing things exactly the same as them - have to say you've changed your tune about the IBO and what you wrote in here to me on the subject previously!

:lol: Come on Phil lighten up mate i thought you Aussies could take a bit of gip after dishing it out , BTW yes i did think the IBO could be all that but it does appear to your average fan like myself that it aint to be , HOW does your Org differ from the rest ?

[daz52]

:lol: Come on Phil lighten up mate i thought you Aussies could take a bit of gip after dishing it out , BTW yes i did think the IBO could be all that but it does appear to your average fan like myself that it aint to be , HOW does your Org differ from the rest ?

From what i know and understand the International Boxing Organisation is the only one to use computerized rankings.


But im with Josey here for sure, fuck each and every single one of them :D

[Phil Austin]

Use emoticons Josey for fucks sake! LOL I am in the middle of trying to look interested in this godawful chick-flick in the desparately forlorn attempt to get a shag from from the mrs I'll get back to you my choir-singing friend once I have failed! :p

[LeonMcS]

Their initials are different.

[JOSEY WALES]

From what i know and understand the International Boxing Organisation is the only one to use computerized rankings.


But im with Josey here for sure, fuck each and every single one of them :D

Thanks daz ,My biggest problem with these type of bodies is they have robbed fans of some brilliant fights over the years all down to petty inter org rowing , Calzaghe would have been undisputed years earlier if he had been granted the Ottke fight . we all know who each champ is in any given weight division but there will always be a bloke like Geale for instance laying claim to being champ as he holds a minority strap ( No diss to Geale intended there either) but just look at the WBA they have 2-3 champs for each weight sometimes and its ruining the sport . One World One Champ per weight class

Phil by the dramatic divide in the looks department between you and your lady i would advise you to ply her with booze as a back up plan . :D