If the ref waived off the fight against Marquez how much higher is Pacquiao's stock?

[ironchamp]

What if after the 3rd Knockdown the ref called it off and the record books listed TKO 1 victory for Manny.

Would JMM be undermined or would Pacquiao's stock go higher?

[PacDbest]

What if after the 3rd Knockdown the ref called it off and the record books listed TKO 1 victory for Manny.

Would JMM be undermined or would Pacquiao's stock go higher?

Pac would be #1 P4P after the 2nd Morales fight.

Jmm would still be fighting in the undercards against 3Ks of thailand.

Nobody will ask for Pac JMM rematch.

Pac haters will have nowhere to turn to. They'll be content of making Threads like Pac vs SRL, tyson, SRR, Hagler. Hearns.

[Rickypr18]

Pac would be #1 P4P after the 2nd Morales fight.

Jmm would still be fighting in the undercards against 3Ks of thailand.

Nobody will ask for Pac JMM rematch.

Pac haters will have nowhere to turn to. They'll be content of making Threads like Pac vs SRL, tyson, SRR, Hagler. Hearns.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[brooklyn1550]

Much higher...a 1st round KO of Juan Manuel Marquez would be very serious.

[thewoo]

I think that the win would have very little bearing had it been waived off there. JMM was always the lesser known of the 3 (mab, em, jmm). This was really his first really big fight. If he was blown out that easily, he would have vanished into nothing and people would say that pac simply exposed an overhyped guy that rightfully fought in the shadows of barrera and morales.

[Stinky gloves]

Much higher...a 1st round KO of Juan Manuel Marquez would be very serious.

It wouldn't, JMM would be no higher like Solis or Larios in Packman book.
People instead talking about Marquez heart, technique and determination would be talking about his weak chin.

Surprisingly for PAC it was better than Marquez was not KOed in one round.
Now PAC have the case he knock down 3x man who is at top 10 p4p list.

[Boom_Boom]

I think that the win would have very little bearing had it been waived off there. JMM was always the lesser known of the 3 (mab, em, jmm). This was really his first really big fight. If he was blown out that easily, he would have vanished into nothing and people would say that pac simply exposed an overhyped guy that rightfully fought in the shadows of barrera and morales.

very right on :good

It wouldnt have boosted Pacquiao's career as it seems, and Marquez's career goes down the drain.

[loui_ludwig]

If the ref waive off the fight after the 3rd knockdown, Pac will become a world champion(don't which alphabet title, besides the Ring belt).

If he is a title holder, then Pac chances of fighting EM at 130 probably will not happen. Pac will stay at 126. Maybe after 1 or 2 defense, move up to 130 and rematch MAB. If Pac wins, he might be facing Valero in Philippines.

Morales, instead of fighting Pac, would probably face a top 10 jr. lighweight. Then move up to 135 and chances are, it will probalby be against a top 10 or a world champion, instead of the reality, fighting Raheem. If EM face a top 10 jr. lighweight, the situation of his fight against Raheem, were Raheem run, will not happen. EM will have a chance of winning that fight and face a 135 title holder. Since both Castillo and Corralles are paired up to fight each other, he might face Juan Diaz. And this probably will be the fight were we will see that EM is past his prime shot fighter.

[theunderdog]

if the fight was waived off after the 1st round....

then we would have never heard of the "i had bad socks" excuse. haha

but seriously, pac will not have turned into the total monster he is now if that fight was stopped. if he won it in 1. he would have been content with being 1-dimensional and not have improved his right hand.

i think that draw was better for manny in the long run

[Morrissey]

What if after the 3rd Knockdown the ref called it off and the record books listed TKO 1 victory for Manny.

Would JMM be undermined or would Pacquiao's stock go higher?


Easy question to answer.

The Philippines would have declared it as Manny Pacquaio Day, and a special holiday at that one, since he would have been an official champ at 126 in only his 3rd fight there, and that happened just right after he beat MAB!

The boxing purists, who had JMM in their top 5 P4P at that time, would have given Pac more credit. The word "one dimensional" would not have popped-out, and the word "sensational" would have been eventually abused in terms of using it to describe Pac at that time. TKing a legit fundamentally sound fighter who has the rep of being avoided in the past IN 1 ROUND after blasting a living legend seems. What can you saya about it? SOunds like Prince Hamed in being sensational, right?

Finally, and in other words, his P4P ranking would have immediately gone to no.3, at the minimum. The effect would have been big. Period. No doubt about it. I am not overrrating JMM but that 1st TKO would have been a big deal.:deal

[theunderdog]

and pac haters would have called jmm not that good to begin with

[Morrissey]

and pac haters would have called jmm not that good to begin with

They would probably said he is past his prime at that time...

Silly haters who claim they like Pac but is now having second thoughts in lking him because of his delusional fans..:yep

[johnco]

and pac haters would have called jmm not that good to begin with

correct!!! :good:good they have their own way of making things spin here at esb.

in addition, they find THEIR mini comfort through the likeness of jmm everytime pacs greatness is discussed here. IT IS THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE :yep

[divac]

What if is just that.....What if....

Thankfully there was a ref in there that knew to do his job.
There was no three knockdown rule, and each time Marquez arose from a knockdown, his legs were steady.

Marguez was'nt really hurt in any of the kd's.....as Marquez himself said, " I had a hell of a time initially, guaging how far Pac's left would travel.....Pac takes a real long step each time he comes foward with his left, and I did'nt initially guage that correctly.

The fact is that Marquez was up and ready to resume each time, and there was really no reason to stop it.

A schooling proceeded!:yep

[Lance_Uppercut]

They're about to start another one now. :rofl :rofl :rofl Pac vs. Predator

Pac vs. Yoda with lightsabers:rofl :rofl

Instead of getting embaressed, why don't you tell those who pick Pac over EVERYONE to STFU.:huh

[Lance_Uppercut]

correct!!! :good:good they have their own way of making things spin here at esb.

in addition, they find THEIR mini comfort through the likeness of jmm everytime pacs greatness is discussed here. IT IS THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE :yep

Tell us how Pac would beat Duran again...:patsch

[johnco]

What if is just that.....What if....

Thankfully there was a ref in there that knew to do his job.
There was no three knockdown rule, and each time Marquez arose from a knockdown, his legs were steady.

Marguez was'nt really hurt in any of the kd's.....as Marquez himself said, " I had a hell of a time initially, guaging how far Pac's left would travel.....Pac takes a real long step each time he comes foward with his left, and I did'nt initially guage that correctly.

The fact is that Marquez was up and ready to resume each time, and there was really no reason to stop it.

A schooling proceeded!:yep


WITH PAC USING ONE HAND AFTER THE FIRST ROUND :yep:yep:yep DUMB :good

[Lance_Uppercut]

Now you see the haters like you are the delusional ones:rofl :rofl ...PAc won the fight the judge admitted it.:D .. Well he did beat the crap out of JMM. look at their faces PAc was ready for another 12 JMM was ready for the hospital.:rofl :rofl

Dont worry Pac will keep winning... p4p#1 end of year. It will be a demolition with JMM whether he's prime or shot, doesnt matter as long as hes put back into oblivion we're happy happy:happy :happy :happy

"BEAT THE CRAP"? Is that why he lost SO MANY rounds after the first?
"THE JUDGE ADMITTED"? Only one out of three admitted that? :huh

It's fans like you why people make "Pac vs. Mechagodzilla" threads...:patsch

[johnco]

Tell us how Pac would beat Duran again...:patsch

and please tell us "whos who" in durans resume at 130 :yep:yep and please dont compare the cabby drivers vs the pound per pound number 2 :good:good

[Lance_Uppercut]

and please tell us "whos who" in durans resume at 130 :yep:yep and please dont compare the cabby drivers vs the pound per pound number 2 :good:good

Thank you for the visual opresentation. I rest my case. :deal

When you hit puberty, let me kow. I'll mail you some condoms. :lol:

[carras]

I think that the win would have very little bearing had it been waived off there. JMM was always the lesser known of the 3 (mab, em, jmm). This was really his first really big fight. If he was blown out that easily, he would have vanished into nothing and people would say that pac simply exposed an overhyped guy that rightfully fought in the shadows of barrera and morales.

yup

[johnco]

Thank you for the visual opresentation. I rest my case. :deal

When you hit puberty, let me kow. I'll mail you some condoms. :lol:

you cant handle the truth boy..... :lol: :lol: common...... who's who in durans resume AT 130 that can match pac who is pound per pound number 2 !!

scared .... :hey:hey:hey you are really retard :good:good

[divac]

Hopefully there will be a JMM-Pac rematch soon after Pac's fight with MAB.

I'm actually going to miss some of these Pac hardcores if Pac-JMM comes about early in 2008!:hey

[johnco]

Hopefully there will be a JMM-Pac rematch soon after Pac's fight with MAB.

I'm actually going to miss some of these Pac hardcores if Pac-JMM comes about early in 2008!:hey

wanna bet when that time comes????? :yep:yep life time ban here at esb !! but you can change into another pseudo once your boy got obliterated..
THIS IS IF YOU GOT BALLS!! gentleman's agreement divac. BACK YOUR MOUTH PLEASE :good

[Lance_Uppercut]

you cant handle the truth boy..... :lol: :lol: common...... who's who in durans resume AT 130 that can match pac who is pound per pound number 2 !!

scared .... :hey:hey:hey you are really retard :good:good

What truth? Duran didn't fight @ 130. Hey, here's an idea. Go brag to all your friend that Pac would beat Duran at 126. Or how Pac would whoop Duran @ 112 AND 115!:shock::shock: WOW!!!!

I'll give you some time to let your stupidity sink in. :deal

[johnco]

What truth? Duran didn't fight @ 130. Hey, here's an idea. Go brag to all your friend that Pac would beat Duran at 126. Or how Pac would whoop Duran @ 112 AND 115!:shock::shock: WOW!!!!

I'll give you some time to let your stupidity sink in. :deal

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 130 BELOW MORON. :lol::lol::lol::lol: so cant name names... well i can show you the cabby drivers duran fought :rofl:rofl:rofl

[Lance_Uppercut]

Do you even know the facts? . One Judge scored the 1st round 10-7 instead of 10-6 otherwise he said PAC should have won...To be honest JMM hit Pac with some shots yes but for PAC that is like tickle...JMM can break his hands in Pacs face, PACs not going down buddy...

:patsch You post like a schoolboy and wonder why peolpe make certain threads? Big whoop, if that score was correct, then Pac wins by a single point. And THAT is worth your childish boasting?

Look at the damn faces after the fight.. :rofl :rofl :rofl

I'll keep it simple..If I just schooled someone, I want him again ASAP even for 100k...alot better than 30k in Indonesia:rofl :rofl Me thinks JMM knows whats coming in a rematch.. Oh well ...well see:good

Completely irrelevent. But I hope it happens. Pac and JMM are two of my faves.

[Lance_Uppercut]

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 130 BELOW MORON. :lol::lol::lol::lol: so cant name names... well i can show you the cabby drivers duran fought :rofl:rofl:rofl

Go ahead and NAME THEM. :deal

Yeah, bragging about how Pac MIGHT beat Duran in a weight class he weas never in. You're bright. :roll:

[johnco]

Go ahead and NAME THEM. :deal

Yeah, bragging about how Pac MIGHT beat Duran in a weight class he weas never in. You're bright. :roll:

and how will the duran the green AND QUITER WILL DEFEAT PAC??

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[PacDbest]

If the ref waive off the fight after the 3rd knockdown, Pac will become a world champion(don't which alphabet title, besides the Ring belt).

If he is a title holder, then Pac chances of fighting EM at 130 probably will not happen. Pac will stay at 126. Maybe after 1 or 2 defense, move up to 130 and rematch MAB. If Pac wins, he might be facing Valero in Philippines.

Morales, instead of fighting Pac, would probably face a top 10 jr. lighweight. Then move up to 135 and chances are, it will probalby be against a top 10 or a world champion, instead of the reality, fighting Raheem. If EM face a top 10 jr. lighweight, the situation of his fight against Raheem, were Raheem run, will not happen. EM will have a chance of winning that fight and face a 135 title holder. Since both Castillo and Corralles are paired up to fight each other, he might face Juan Diaz. And this probably will be the fight were we will see that EM is past his prime shot fighter.

Nope,,,
Pac already Lined-up-JMM-EM before the JMM fight. So if It stopped in 1, Pac will proceed with Morales matchup. That's what you called Cajones my Friend.

[johnco]

What if is just that.....What if....

Thankfully there was a ref in there that knew to do his job.
There was no three knockdown rule, and each time Marquez arose from a knockdown, his legs were steady.

Marguez was'nt really hurt in any of the kd's.....as Marquez himself said, " I had a hell of a time initially, guaging how far Pac's left would travel.....Pac takes a real long step each time he comes foward with his left, and I did'nt initially guage that correctly.

The fact is that Marquez was up and ready to resume each time, and there was really no reason to stop it.

A schooling proceeded!:yep

ALL TALK NO BALLS!!! :rofl:rofl:rofl

[Lance_Uppercut]

and how will the duran the green AND QUITER WILL DEFEAT PAC??

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Wow!! You reallty showed me child!! :lol:

When Manny Pac is as highly regarded All Time as Duran is, and NOT in a weight class he NEVER FOUGHT, let me know. You seem to revell in trying to argue something as pointless as Duran at 130 or below. I guess you gotta go with what you can use huh?

Now go join bigtime9 in your "How to win an internet debate" seminar your both conducting. :lol:

[Lance_Uppercut]

Look honestly JMM I like him even though he has a charisma of a dick cheney..But he cannot wait any longer. demand a fight early 08 before this becomes another PAC/Erik 3. Pac has to make more money no doubt Fuk Berestain if he doesnt approve

I agree. It's now or never. JMM if he doesn't make a move will always be a "what if" type fighter. Now is the time to capitalize.

[johnco]

Wow!! You reallty showed me child!! :lol:

When Manny Pac is as highly regarded All Time as Duran is, and NOT in a weight class he NEVER FOUGHT, let me know. You seem to revell in trying to argue something as pointless as Duran at 130 or below. I guess you gotta go with what you can use huh?

Now go join bigtime9 in your "How to win an internet debate" seminar your both conducting. :lol:

let us have a serious discussion here lance shall we :deal

[Lance_Uppercut]

let us have a serious discussion here lance shall we :deal

I figured that last one might get you. If you're reason that Pac beats Duran at 130 is simeplty because Duran never fought there, then say that. Don't try to make bullshit comments on who Duran beat at 130. Either way, Manny Pac has a LONG way to reach Duran's level of greatness when YOU or any othe PAc fan here agrees with that. That said...

Bring on JMM vs. Pac II. I don't think either guy has slipped since their fight. What we know is JMM CAN adjust to Pac's power and box him effectively.

What we haven't seen is if can Pac KEEP doing what he did in the first round for the rest of the fight. I haven't seen Pac face as good a pure boxer as JMM since, so I can't judge if he'd be able to adjust in a rematch. For all you know, it might be a continuation of part 1, but like rounds 2-12.

[johnco]

Go ahead and NAME THEM. :deal

Yeah, bragging about how Pac MIGHT beat Duran in a weight class he weas never in. You're bright. :roll:

let us take away the hard core fanatic feeling here and let us discuss the facts!! quality of opponents, styles, peak AT 130 and BELOW!!! :deal

[Lance_Uppercut]

let us take away the hard core fanatic feeling here and let us discuss the facts!! quality of opponents, styles, peak AT 130 and BELOW!!! :deal

Sure, after you tell us how many greats Pac beat at 135 and above. Hey, how many WW titles did Pac win? How many MW title's did Pac win? Has he even WON a LW title? :huh

Now do you how CHILDISH of a debate that is? Hopefully your eyes are open now. :deal:smoke

[johnco]

Sure, after you tell us how many greats Pac beat at 135 and above. Hey, how many WW titles did Pac win? How many MW title's did Pac win? Has he even WON a LW title? :huh

Now do you how CHILDISH of a debate that is? Hopefully your eyes are open now. :deal:smoke
lance lance lance....
pac is nowhere in durans achievement. pac is the ant here and duran is the elephant. even I have said many many times that above 130 duran will smoke pac.. BUT WAIT. if we will consider 130 and below, i am giving pac the benefit of the doubt. why? pac is at his 90 % peak right now and duran during those days was semi green. yes duran was koing almost everyone but the quality of names are insignificant. although pac didnt prove much at 130, he's been koing pound per pound fighters 130 and below plus hes one of the top of pound per pound. on the other hand, durans achievement at 130 and below is nothing to brag about :-(

we can make an argument that pac can create a lot of noise at 130 but going up is plain stupidity. pac will max out and duran will smoke him. in summary, a semi green duran would have a little chance at prime pac at 130 :deal

[Lance_Uppercut]

lance lance lance....
pac is nowhere in durans achievement. pac is the ant here and duran is the elephant. even I have said many many times that above 130 duran will smoke pac.. BUT WAIT. if we will consider 130 and below, i am giving pac the benefit of the doubt. why? pac is at his 90 % peak right now and duran during those days was semi green. yes duran was koing almost everyone but the quality of names are insignificant. although pac didnt prove much at 130, he's been koing pound per pound fighters 130 and below plus hes one of the top of pound per pound. on the other hand, durans achievement at 130 and below is nothing to brag about :-(

we can make an argument that pac can create a lot of noise at 130 but going up is plain stupidity. pac will max out and duran will smoke him. in summary, a semi green duran would have a little chance at prime pac at 130 :deal
And what exactly is the point of bringing up Pac vs. Duran below 130? To feel better about yourself. Here you go: Pac would probably beat a 130 Ali. Pac would prabably beat a 130 Roy Jones Jr. Pac would probably beat a 130 Sugar Ray Leonard. There you go. Merry Christmas! :D

Alright, my assholeness aside, I DO know what you are saying. Thanks for not taking my 'fuckin with' too serious. :thumbsup

If JMM and PAc fight again, we ALL win there.

[divac]

wanna bet when that time comes????? :yep:yep life time ban here at esb !! but you can change into another pseudo once your boy got obliterated..
THIS IS IF YOU GOT BALLS!! gentleman's agreement divac. BACK YOUR MOUTH PLEASE :good

There's no need for me to take that bet, all you post about is Pac.
If he were to lose, we'd never here from you again.

I however would be the first here and admit if I was wrong.
I love talking boxing, whether my analysis and predictions are right or wrong.

I would'nt want to see you banned johnco, I'd love for you to have the balls and stick around for others to see you drown in your tears!:lol:

.....and you know what johnco, there should'nt be any shame, for Pac or any of his fans if he should happen to lose to Marquez.
Marquez is too good a fighter to feel shame over losing to him.

Be proud for Pac when his win streak ends at the hands of the better fighter, Juan Manuel Marquez!:bbb :hi:

[mad_takamura]

Hopefully there will be a JMM-Pac rematch soon after Pac's fight with MAB.

I'm actually going to miss some of these Pac hardcores if Pac-JMM comes about early in 2008!:hey and if jmm loses of course you would have said the same excuses just like the mab and em excuses: the ver-so immortal "because he was shot" :-(

[1punch1nder]

Much higher...a 1st round KO of Juan Manuel Marquez would be very serious.

i agree.