julio caesar chavez vs. meldrick taylor

[jonesjrp4p1]

i just rewatched the documentary on hbo and just figured id say how depressing taylors story is.....hes one of my favorite fighters and wow his speed was amazing it seems faster every time i watch it

[Thread Stealer]

i just rewatched the documentary on hbo and just figured id say how depressing taylors story is.....hes one of my favorite fighters and wow his speed was amazing it seems faster every time i watch it

That was the best of the series.

But Lampley was wrong at the end when he said the rematch was one-sided. That was a good competitive bout.

[Thread Stealer]

It wasn't merely this fight made Taylor a shot fighter. Similar to Trinidad-Vargas, it was the main fight in their declines, but not the sole reason. Taylor was still a pretty good fighter later, who moved up and defeated undefeated Aaron Davis for a world title, but he in general took too much punishment.

And moving up to 154 to face Terry Norris???

I wonder what his team was thinking there.

[jackiebrown]

cant give HBO applause enough for their cheerleading during the fight and in the making of the documentary...i looove..absaultly loooved how hbo showed taylor flurring through the fight ... then all of the sudden the documentary cut to like the 9th round...mean while the whole thing is just taylor landing blow after blow... 9th round cuts in...taylor looks like tina turner after a renunion tour with ike turner... i look at my dad .. i say ..now by just watching this damn thing you'd think that man got jumped by someone out side of the ring....when'd you even see chaves landing on him?...

suuure they showed chaves landing after the fact .. but it was like a 2 or 3 min clip followed by steele talking about how chaves was landing to hurt and break bones... then it went back to nothing but taylor offenses...

this fight in my eyes is the biggest misconception of the sport ever

[ripcity]

Taylor and prime Camacho at 130 are the fastest there ever were.

I don't care what you guys say, he deserved that win. I've had this argument 100 times.
Taylor deservered the win however Richard Steel given what he new did the right thing. I'm sure your going to disagree with me. If Steel knew there was just 2 seconds left I would agree that It was a horible call. However by looking at the flashing lights on the ring posts Steel could there was 10 seconds or less posibily enough time for Chavez to land one more big shot to the clearly hurt Taylor. It is one of the bigest hart breakers in the history of boxing, but in the end Steel did the right thing.

[Thread Stealer]

Can we all agree that Lou Duva did the wrong thing by going up on the ring apron?

[ripcity]

Can we all agree that Lou Duva did the wrong thing by going up on the ring apron?
It certanly didn't help Taylor. Isn't that grounds for a DQ?

[jackiebrown]

oonly if he gets in the ring

[Thread Stealer]

Can we all agree Lou Duva is a fucking liar?

Yep. Just like when Lou claimed he entered the ring after the Pazienza-R. Mayweather fight to "break it up".

:lol:

[jackiebrown]

what'd he do there?

what was paz and mayweather doing?

[la-califa]

Why was Duva on the ring apron. Did he ever explain that?

[Thread Stealer]

what'd he do there?

what was paz and mayweather doing?

Paz and Mayweather hit each other after the bell after numerous rounds. Finally this happens after the final bell. Lou comes out and rushes Roger, and ends up with a cut face in the ruckus. Lou had to be held back by people from going after Roger, meanwhile Vinny was actually the one later holding Roger, as their after-the-bell punches had ended.

Lou claims "I went over to break it up".

[jackiebrown]

dont seem like mayweather and lou liked eachother from the day mayweather fought rocky lockridge "spelling"

[jonesjrp4p1]

steele did the right thing as a ref to watch out for the safety of the fighter but if i was the ref i would of let it continue knowing taylor fought his heart out and only had 4 seconds left so chavez wouldnt of landed another blow

[TBooze]

Taylor deservered the win however Richard Steel given what he new did the right thing. I'm sure your going to disagree with me. If Steel knew there was just 2 seconds left I would agree that It was a horible call. However by looking at the flashing lights on the ring posts Steel could there was 10 seconds or less posibily enough time for Chavez to land one more big shot to the clearly hurt Taylor. It is one of the bigest hart breakers in the history of boxing, but in the end Steel did the right thing.

The referee is not the timekeeper, his two purposes in the ring are to make sure it is a fair fight, and most importantly make sure both fighters are as safe as is possible.

Steele felt Taylor could not continue. Agree or disagree with that is fair enough, but I am sure Richard Steele would not of changed his decision even if he knew (which he might of) there was two seconds left.

[Guru_Too_You]

Taylor and prime Camacho at 130 are the fastest there ever were.

I don't care what you guys say, he deserved that win. I've had this argument 100 times.

Deserved the win, yes.

But did Richard Steele do the wrong thing?

Absolutely not.

[ripcity]

Richard Steele also had a history for leaning towards Don King's fighters. Chavez was King's fighter.

Taylor and his camp complained about Steele being the ref before the fight, but somehow Steele remained the ref. Stopping a fight that Taylor clearly would've won by decision, a couple of seconds before it was going to the scorecards... how can anyone say this fight wasn't a robbery?
Any good refree would have stoped the fight. Hartbreaking yes roberey no.

[Guru_Too_You]

Richard Steele also had a history for leaning towards Don King's fighters. Chavez was King's fighter.

Taylor and his camp complained about Steele being the ref before the fight, but somehow Steele remained the ref. Stopping a fight that Taylor clearly would've won by decision, a couple of seconds before it was going to the scorecards... how can anyone say this fight wasn't a robbery?
Time doesnt matter. If the referee asks you something, and you dont respond, fights over.

AND EVERY FIGHTER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD KNOWS THIS.

PERIOD.

[TBooze]

Stopping a fight that Taylor clearly would've won by decision

Another myth, Taylor would not of clearly won by decision, it would of been split at best 115/112, 116/111, 112-115...

[Luzon]

Chavez got "lucky". If there was such a thing as a last minute luck shot, and I don't believe in luck in boxing but if there was this would be it.

[Guru_Too_You]

Chavez got "lucky". If there was such a thing as a last minute luck shot, and I don't believe in luck in boxing but if there was this would be it.

I dont know about that. Taylor looked very weak on his legs from about halfway through the 10th round, and it looked like it was a matter of time before Chavez finally caught him. Chavez just didnt push the issue as much as he should have.

But that punch was certainly not a lucky punch. It was a perfect straight right over Taylor's dropped hands.

[jonesjrp4p1]

Another myth, Taylor would not of clearly won by decision, it would of been split at best 115/112, 116/111, 112-115...

the scorecards going into the 12th were 107-102 taylor 104-105 chavez and 118-110

[Vantage_West]

It wasn't merely this fight made Taylor a shot fighter. Similar to Trinidad-Vargas, it was the main fight in their declines, but not the sole reason. Taylor was still a pretty good fighter later, who moved up and defeated undefeated Aaron Davis for a world title, but he in general took too much punishment.

And moving up to 154 to face Terry Norris???

I wonder what his team was thinking there.terry norris...:verysad worst camp decision ever

terry norris was a butcher i actually know few people like him murderously quick brutal hard punches and all in combo's aswell.
he decemated leonard,little,mugabi,curry,daniels,blocker and he didnt just win or knock them out he was there to tear them apart i know few who fought like that tyson would at least stop punching or help them up.

i feel this fight was more destructive than the chavez fight. as good as mel was with defence and speed (he actually did alright despite being tiny compared to him for the first few rounds) his hieght natural wieght and his physical abilties went down the drian as terry totally blew him apart.

[Guru_Too_You]

terry norris...:verysad worst camp decision ever

terry norris was a butcher i actually know few people like him murderously quick brutal hard punches and all in combo's aswell.
he decemated leonard,little,mugabi,curry,daniels,blocker and he didnt just win or knock them out he was there to tear them apart i know few who fought like that tyson would at least stop punching or help them up.

i feel this fight was more destructive than the chavez fight. as good as mel was with defence and speed (he actually did alright despite being tiny compared to him for the first few rounds) his hieght natural wieght and his physical abilties went down the drian as terry totally blew him apart.

Terry Norris is highly underrated in a historical sense.

[TBooze]

the scorecards going into the 12th were 107-102 taylor 104-105 chavez and 118-110

Yes, hence if the last round was scored 10/8 Chavez, Taylor would of won a razor thin and even more controversial split decision, by the scores I stated.

[lefthook31]

Can we all agree that Lou Duva is the ugliest human on our planet earth. Hes like part turkey, part human.

[TBooze]

Can we all agree that Lou Duva is the ugliest human on our planet earth. Hes like part turkey, part human.

I have seen him close hand, seriously pissed off; he is more intimidating than ugly;)

[Vantage_West]

PBF was still a hair faster, as far as pure handspeed.nah mel hand hands that whipped in double time while floyd is preparing for a lead right hand

[TBooze]

Yes, the thing is, the fight was not NEARLY that close, the fact that the one judge had Chavez ahead was a travesty, clearly a Kind paid off judge. Taylor was easily winning.

No, it was very close fight, Chavez was catching up very quickly and indeed over took Taylor at the end. If it had gone to the cards the least Chavez would of deserved was a narrow split decision defeat.

[Thread Stealer]

I had Taylor winning, but Chavez was coming on, and the HBO commentators were seriously jocking Taylor like they would another guy of the same last name 15 years later.

I gave Taylor 7 of the first 8 (gave Chavez the 2nd round), gave Chavez rounds 9 and 11, and round 10 (a GREAT round) even.

I had it 107-103 Taylor, so Taylor would've won 115-113 on my card if the fight had gone on and the final bell sounded.

[brooklyn1550]

I hate watching the HBO legendary night documentary on this fight. It's too sad watching and listening to Taylor now.

[brooklyn1550]

No, it was very close fight, Chavez was catching up very quickly and indeed over took Taylor at the end. If it had gone to the cards the least Chavez would of deserved was a narrow split decision defeat.

But scoring each round, it's possible Taylor won the first 9. Chavez was coming on real strong and busting Meldrick up, but going by a round by round system, Taylor was comfortably winning.

[Pimp C]

Terry Norris is highly underrated in a historical sense.
I agree one of the most underrated fighters of the last 25 years.

[Pimp C]

Taylor was robbed in that fight by Steele period. He should of had his victory that night.