Joe Louis vs. Roy Jones Jr. @205 lbs?

[ripcity]

Who takes this match up 12 rounds 205 lbs weight limit.
I chose this due to the fact that i fell they are very opeset to each other.
Jones is a great athlete but is lacking in fundamental boxing skills. His secuess has been due to his atheetism and speed.
Louis was not a great athlete. He was however very strong and one of the best fundamental boxers in the history of the sport.
Tale of the tape.
Roy Jones Jr: height 5′ 11″ reach 74″

Joe Louis: height 6′ 2″ reach 76″

Both men could hit, both men have been knocked down.

[mr. magoo]

I love Roy Jones, but Louis goes through him like a tornado in a Kansas trailor park.

[Muchmoore]

I give Jones a 25 percent chance of outboxing Louis. He gets KTFO the other times.

In a series of fights though, Jones chances would lessen every fight.

[Stonehands89]

Who takes this match up 12 rounds 205 lbs weight limit.
I chose this due to the fact that i fell they are very opeset to each other.
Jones is a great athlete but is lacking in fundamental boxing skills. His secuess has been due to his atheetism and speed.
Louis was not a great athlete. He was however very strong and one of the best fundamental boxers in the history of the sport.
Tale of the tape.
Roy Jones Jr: height 5′ 11″ reach 74″

Joe Louis: height 6′ 2″ reach 76″

Both men could hit, both men have been knocked down.
Louis lands a left hook early and Jones' jaw becomes his hat. End of thread.

[McGrain]

Easy fight for Louis.

[Muchmoore]

Easy fight for Louis.

Really though?

Jones was better than Conn imo (definently faster) and I know people bring up his big flaw (chin) but he never had a problem with it until he became too dehydrated trying to make 175.

Of course he's going up against one of the best overall punchers in the games history, but over 12 rounds (he has close to no chance over 15) I think he might have a chance.

[McGrain]

Louis hit Conn with punches that would have taken Jones's head off.

In addition, Conn deployed the perfect plan and had the perfect tools to deploy it.

Jones would be running until he got caught at which point he would get stopped.

I'd pick Louis to win 20/20 fights. We'd have to get up into the type of numbers where Chaos theory dictates accidents will occur before I pick Jones to win one.

It's the wrong man.

[mr. magoo]

Of course, lets just apply the old " classic underdog was invincible " argument.

[djanders]

I like Roy, but he would have almost no chance in this match-up...in my opinion. A Joe Louis win in a first or second round knockout would not surprise me.

[ripcity]

poll added

[Mendoza]

Louis hit Conn with punches that would have taken Jones's head off.

In addition, Conn deployed the perfect plan and had the perfect tools to deploy it.

Jones would be running until he got caught at which point he would get stopped.

I'd pick Louis to win 20/20 fights. We'd have to get up into the type of numbers where Chaos theory dictates accidents will occur before I pick Jones to win one.

It's the wrong man.

While this may be true, Jones hit a lot harder than Conn did, and Conn staggered Louis. I tend to think Louis wins here as soon as he lands something serious. Jones might take a few rounds.

[196osh]

Jones would win a few early rounds I have no doubt about that.

But Louis at some point would time him and lay Roy out.

Louis KO

[leverage]

Say what you will but as i often say, styles make fights and jones would be very difficult for louis. Jones would give the "brown bomber" major problems with his great speed and highly unorthodox style of fighting.

People say that louis would tear through jones but I disagree. Louis had a helluva time keeping trying to keep up with conn and jones was much faster hand and foot. Conn made the fatal mistake of trading with louis and it cost him the fight. Jones was not a fighter to get involved in slugfests so therefore he wouldn't make the same mistake.

Size wouldn't matter so much as louis was 6'1 (not 6'2) and jones was 5'11. His reach was only a couple of inches longer so reach wouldn't be a factor either.

Call me nuts or whatever you want to but I believe that jones with his speed and cautious style would box and move his way to a decision victory.

[McGrain]

Say what you will but as i often say, styles make fights and jones would be very difficult for louis. Jones would give the "brown bomber" major problems with his great speed and highly unorthodox style of fighting.

And this is the first step on the road to confusion as far as this fight is concerned. Why will Louis have problems with Jones's "highly unorthodox style of fighting"? Godoy gave him trouble with unorthodox but by crowding and ducking to knees. Jones is looking to move into space.

Louis doesn't change his style one little bi for Roy, he won't be even slightly troubled by it. His job is to bring Jones onto a punch. It's Louis who has the style advantage here.

People say that louis would tear through jones but I disagree. Louis had a helluva time keeping trying to keep up with conn and jones was much faster hand and foot. Conn made the fatal mistake of trading with louis and it cost him the fight. Jones was not a fighter to get involved in slugfests so therefore he wouldn't make the same mistake.

Conn used expert control of range - not space, range - which Jones has not exhibited to anything like the same degree to pick out the Louis circle and remain outwith it aside from on his own terms. He had the correct mentality for this tactic. Jones didn't fight many punchers at all, so it's hard to be sure, but i suspect he has nothing like the mentality to pull of a plan as dagnerous as this (And it was a near-crazy thing for Conn to do - also the perfect thing to do).

Running from a stalker is almost as stupid as perching on the ropes and waiting for him to stop you.

Call me nuts or whatever you want to but I believe that jones with his speed and cautious style would box and move his way to a decision victory.

Right. Because cautions movers have an astonishig record against a peaked Louis.

[The Wanderer]

With Jones' superior hand and foot speed, he could win some early rounds and trouble Louis, but you have to think that eventually at some point Louis would catch up to him and end the bout.

Of course, we thought that a lot of times with Jones even when he was undefeated, but it does seem the most likely outcome. A minority of the time perhaps Jones finds a way to keep outmoving and outboxing Louis, but the majority f the time Louis catches him in the mid to late rounds.

[ripcity]

I tend to beleve that speed is the greatest advantage in boxing even over skill.
If I could create a fanasty world where this match up would happen. My theory would be put to the test.
I see Jones getting off to a fast start taking the first 5 rounds. He may even knock Louis down once or twice. While Louis could be knocked down they tended to be flash knock downs and Louis has very good recouping abillities. However flash or not they will count in Jones's favor on the score cards. Rounds 6-8 may be the key rounds. I beleive this is the point in the fight that Louis will start to make the adjustments in timing and angles to counter Jones speed. Jones can still take these rounds as well. I think by round 9 Louis will start to land with more clean shots. This brings up Jones's chin.
The bigest question at hand is Jones's chin. Are his ko loses the resulte of A) a week chin. B) the effects of age. C) the results of drooping down in weight. D) a combonation of B and C.
If the answer is B, C or D than Louis who will win by ko in the lateer rounds.
I think if the fight goes to the score cards Jones will have enough of the early rounds to get a close but somewhat clear out a decision. I do however think there is a very good chance Louis will catch up to him and score a late round ko. A Jones ko win is also posible but not as likely.

[jones1]

Even in his prime Jones didnt use his jab as much as I thought he should. He was so much quicker than his opponents he could hit them with anything he wanted and get away with that. By not using the jab I think he wouldnt be able to control the distance and Louis would land a right hand or left hook and lay him out. Even if Jones used his jab as much or more as he did in the Ruiz fight I still feel Louis would find him eventually. I dont think Roy has a horrible chin, but he never took punches from a guy like Louis.

[Bummy Davis]

I like Roy but its the very wrong match for him...but he is not alone......Louis was a bronze beast

[PowerPuncher]

RJJ may outbox Louis for a few rounds before Louis catches up to him and finishes the fight

If it is the comebacking Louis I think RJJ could pottshot a decision

[Flea Man]

Louis by K.O in about five rounds.

[Ted Spoon]

At their best?

Louis cuts off the ring and does terrible things to Jones' anatomy.

Conn had much more to his game; durability, decent clinching and spinning ability, and shorter punches in combination.

[El Puma]

Oh boy,



I still can't shake the image of Roy getting dropped by Louie De Valle, when weighing his chances at heavy against past greats.

Roy was a step or two slower at heavy than he was at 175, Louis had very good footwork that put him in perfect position to ice his opponent damn near every time.


In a matchup of very good speed (at heavy) vs perfect timing, Joe ices Roy every single time out.

[Bing]

Louis wins this easy for me. To much emphasise is put on conn's success against louis. The fact remains louis still knocked him out and iced him quicker in the rematch. Conn did actually absorb some louis shots prior to the 13th round would jones be able to? No for me Louis KO in the first 5 rounds

[MaliSlamusrex]

this could be the greatest fight ever.

Louis and RJJ are two of the most gifted athletes to box, both have many skills RJJ has the greater adaptability and counter punch skills, but i give Louis the accuracy and he is a natural HW and that would win him the fight.

So i Vote Louis.

[Minotauro]

Who is Kaki? Thats the drunken who voted fro Roy via KO. I think Louis would win everytime no matter what I can't see Roy getting away from Joe's power for 15.

[leverage]

And this is the first step on the road to confusion as far as this fight is concerned. Why will Louis have problems with Jones's "highly unorthodox style of fighting"? Godoy gave him trouble with unorthodox but by crowding and ducking to knees. Jones is looking to move into space.

Louis doesn't change his style one little bi for Roy, he won't be even slightly troubled by it. His job is to bring Jones onto a punch. It's Louis who has the style advantage here.



Conn used expert control of range - not space, range - which Jones has not exhibited to anything like the same degree to pick out the Louis circle and remain outwith it aside from on his own terms. He had the correct mentality for this tactic. Jones didn't fight many punchers at all, so it's hard to be sure, but i suspect he has nothing like the mentality to pull of a plan as dagnerous as this (And it was a near-crazy thing for Conn to do - also the perfect thing to do).

Running from a stalker is almost as stupid as perching on the ropes and waiting for him to stop you.



Right. Because cautions movers have an astonishig record against a peaked Louis.
Jones would be totally unlike anyone that louis ever fought. What you must understand is that for every great fighter there is someone who has his number. No one was ever invincible, not even joe louis (and schmelling prove that when joe was in his prime). You can't hit whats not in front of you and jones would not be there. Also, jones took a good punch so its unlikely that louis would've took him out with one punch.

I greatly admire joe louis and respect him as one of the greatest of all times but he's not God!

[Bing]

Jones would be totally unlike anyone that louis ever fought. What you must understand is that for every great fighter there is someone who has his number. No one was ever invincible, not even joe louis (and schmelling prove that when joe was in his prime). You can't hit whats not in front of you and jones would not be there. Also, jones took a good punch so its unlikely that louis would've took him out with one punch.

I greatly admire joe louis and respect him as one of the greatest of all times but he's not God!

Dont see what unreasonable about possibly the greatest heavyweight beating someone whos prime was between 160-175. Jones isnt god either

p.s if lou de valle can drop Roy with one shot Joe louis can most definitely knock him out with 1!

[teeto]

Louis by stoppage, people have already argued my point.

Good backfiring there Bing!

[la-califa]

Jones would move & us his speed for a couple of rounds. But he's not a Middleweight anymore. As soon as he gets tired with all that added weight & slows down. Louis will punish him. Louis by stoppage in about the sixth or seventh.