Mediocre fighters with great one-punch-power

[Luigi1985]

I mean not elite fighters who were great allround-punchers like Ike Williams, Joe Louis, etc. for example, I mean for example mediocre journeymen, clubfighters, at the best contenders who were very dangerous, when they land something good and precise that the lights were out, here some examples:


Charley Retzlaff
Bert Cooper
Fred Fulton
Eduardo Lausse
Vick Patrick

[ChrisPontius]

Ernie Shavers.

[Bill1234]

Earnie Shavers wasn't mediocre. He was a very good fighter, he just had stamina and chin issues which is why he lost quite a bit of his fights.

[jowcol]

Eugene "Cyclone" Hart comes to mind; he could "summon the sand man" at a moment's notice with that booming left hook...

[sthomas]

Mike Weaver vs. "Big" John Tate. I believe the fight was on ABC and they had preview showing outside the ring footage of Tate chopping wood. Ironically in round 15 the wood fought back and "Timmmbbbeeerrrr", Tate crashes to the matt like a big old Redwood.:dead

[john garfield]

The perfect description for Bob Satterfield.

[mr. magoo]

Ross purity probably deserves a mention, although I'm not sure if he was a one punch kinda guy.

[Executioner]

Earnie Shavers wasn't mediocre. He was a very good fighter, he just had stamina and chin issues which is why he lost quite a bit of his fights.

..with sloppy technique and the lack of ability to put a dying rabbit out of its misery.

[mr. magoo]

Ernie Shavers.

Oh sure,

A guy with 68 knockouts in 74 wins, and had the testimony of two of the most durable champions in history as being the hardest puncher of all time. Yeah, he was mediocre all right. :nut

[Executioner]

Oh sure,

A guy with 68 knockouts in 74 wins, and had the testimony of two of the most durable champions in history as being the hardest puncher of all time. Yeah, he was mediocre all right. :nut

That means he was a great puncher, not a great fighter. :deal

[mr. magoo]

That means he was a great puncher, not a great fighter. :deal

And not being great, doesn't necessarily mean that one is mediocre either.

[mr. magoo]

Ernie Shavers.

How does a guy who was a top 10 challenger for the better part of 5 years, and who's rated by most experts as one of, or even thee hardest puncher of all time qualify as mediocre?

[mcvey]

I mean not elite fighters who were great allround-punchers like Ike Williams, Joe Louis, etc. for example, I mean for example mediocre journeymen, clubfighters, at the best contenders who were very dangerous, when they land something good and precise that the lights were out, here some examples:


Charley Retzlaff
Bert Cooper
Fred Fulton
Eduardo Lausse
Vick Patrick
Maybe Lew Jenkins belongs here,though he did win a title,Sammy Nesmith,Iwouldnt put Lausse in there ,he sure could hit ,but I think he had a bit more going for him than a terrific punch.

[mcvey]

Maybe Lew Jenkins belongs here,though he did win a title,Sammy Nesmith,Iwouldnt put Lausse in there ,he sure could hit ,but I think he had a bit more going for him than a terrific punch.
Thought of another one ,not mediocre but not top flight either,Darren Corbett an Irish LH ,he could whack!

[bigG]

jorge castro vs john david jackson..power is the great leveller...

[ChrisPontius]

How does a guy who was a top 10 challenger for the better part of 5 years, and who's rated by most experts as one of, or even thee hardest puncher of all time qualify as mediocre?

He was ranked in the top10 in 1975 (and i have no idea why; he got iced in 1 round by Quarry, lost to journeyman Bob Stallings, got a gift draw against Young and got knocked out by Lyle). He was also ranked in the top10 in 1979, and that's it.


Yes is one of the hardest punchers of all time, but he also has a glass chin, bad stamina, terrible ability to get his punches in, bad finishing ability, only managed to beat shopworn former contenders and lost to some journeymen as well.

[prime]

Mike DeJohn. Hurricane Jackson.

[AREA 53]

Dangerous Don Lee
Slammin Sammy Nesmith
Earl The Pearl Hargrove
Jeff Sims
Jose Urtain
Gretian Tonna

[mr. magoo]

He was ranked in the top10 in 1975 (and i have no idea why; he got iced in 1 round by Quarry, lost to journeyman Bob Stallings, got a gift draw against Young and got knocked out by Lyle). He was also ranked in the top10 in 1979, and that's it.


Yes is one of the hardest punchers of all time, but he also has a glass chin, bad stamina, terrible ability to get his punches in, bad finishing ability, only managed to beat shopworn former contenders and lost to some journeymen as well.

So you're saying that he had his limitations and lost to some fighters who were less than average? How does this drop someone from good to mediocre, especially taking into account everything else that they did? Or are you just focussing on the negatives to suit your agenda?

The man fought on average maybe 8-10 times per year within the first few years of his career. When you fight that often, someone's bound to catch you on an off night. Many of his losses came either before or after his prime. Sure, he fought some tomato cans, but it's not like he struggled with them either. He has a lot of first and second round knockouts, which were truly KO's and not TKO's. Very few punchers put as many people out cold as Shavers did. He also had some good wins in addition to the bum victories that you speak of. He fought a prime Holmes twice, dropping him in one fight and going the distance in another. Also, what's all this nonsense about poor finishing abilty? Are you calling 68 knockouts in 74 wins poor finishing.

With all of the above said, I'll ask you again, how was Shavers mediocre?

[ChrisPontius]

It's very simple Magoo. In addition to what i pointed out before, Shavers had world class power (and then some) but other than that, he was mediocre at best. He lost to mediocre fighters and lost most of the times he stepped up.

[Vantage_West]

Ross purity probably deserves a mention, although I'm not sure if he was a one punch kinda guy.yeah it's one punch stuff but it's his jaw that gets him through the barrage of punches and the right hand to stop the fight

[nick wells jr]

Ernie Shavers.
wow!i cant believe you consider shavers mediocre.i do believe his name would be mentioned in a "greatest fighters of all time" conversation. Pontius i know youre a smarter boxing historian than that.

[mightyd40]

bummy davis

[mr. magoo]

wow!i cant believe you consider shavers mediocre.i do believe his name would be mentioned in a "greatest fighters of all time" conversation. Pontius i know youre a smarter boxing historian than that.

That's Chris for ya. :good

[ChrisPontius]

wow!i cant believe you consider shavers mediocre.i do believe his name would be mentioned in a "greatest fighters of all time" conversation. Pontius i know youre a smarter boxing historian than that.

I stand by my points.

Shavers is not a mediocre fighter to me or other amatures but compared to most of the greats that are being discussed here, he is. And if you read the original post, it said "at the best contenders who were very dangerous", so there you go.


Shannon Briggs is another one, by the way.

[john garfield]

bummy davis

Brilliant choice, m40! I'd clean forgotten about "Bummy," which is embarrassing; he was neighborhood guy.

[heerko koois]

Buddy Bear , John Mugabi , Frank Bruno...........

[mightyd40]

Brilliant choice, m40! I'd clean forgotten about "Bummy," which is embarrassing; he was neighborhood guy.
aha your the guy who has seen the whos who of fighters.......finally nice to meet u.

[Bill1234]

..with sloppy technique and the lack of ability to put a dying rabbit out of its misery.


Thats why he's known as the hardest puncher of all time right?

[john garfield]

aha your the guy who has seen the whos who of fighters.......finally nice to meet u.

If that's you in the avatar, you really are a die-hard fan.

[mightyd40]

yes thats me.......i got it in december and yeah i am a die hard fan.....nice to meet u though i have heard good things

[red cobra]

Earnie Shavers wasn't mediocre. He was a very good fighter, he just had stamina and chin issues which is why he lost quite a bit of his fights.
If he didn't nail you he was actually quite mediocre. There wasn't a whole lot of things that Shavers could do besides punch with that right.

[Muchmoore]

If he didn't nail you he was actually quite mediocre. There wasn't a whole lot of things that Shavers could do besides punch with that right.

He was a world class fighter that nearly stopped Larry Holmes. Far from mediocre.

[Bill1234]

If he didn't nail you he was actually quite mediocre. There wasn't a whole lot of things that Shavers could do besides punch with that right.

You don't go 15 close rounds with Muhammad Ali, and 23 rounds with Holmes being mediocre. Shavers was a good fighter caught up in the wrong era. He'd be the champion now. He would have been one of the elites in the 90's.

[bigG]

ok so i'l be the lone voice shouting in the wilderness..bruno wasnt mediocre.....

[Doppleganger]

wow!i cant believe you consider shavers mediocre.i do believe his name would be mentioned in a "greatest fighters of all time" conversation. Pontius i know youre a smarter boxing historian than that.
FWIT I agree with him. If Shavers wasn't mediocre how come he wasn't able to get further on his power? In world class terms, which is what we are talking about, Shavers was as an overall package mediocre. Against clubfighters and shopworn contenders he excelled. Whenever he stepped up in class he invariably lost. At this level that equals medicore IMO. Put it this way, if Shavers had been an average puncher how many fights would he have won?

[JohnThomas1]

wow!i cant believe you consider shavers mediocre.i do believe his name would be mentioned in a "greatest fighters of all time" conversation. Pontius i know youre a smarter boxing historian than that.

Believing Shavers would be mentioned in a greatest fighters of all time convo in the way you insinuate makes Chris' mediocre statement pale in comparison. The only way Earnie is getting mentioned in such light is if Ali or Holmes are brought up.

[Bummy Davis]

Ernie Shavers.

Shavers was very limited, with stamina, and when he moved up in class, he lost, his KD over Holmes and stop of Norton(who was Ko'd a few times) were his best, he has one shot power but was not known to take it well, I had ringside for Ellis and Quarry and Ali and if Earnie could not punch, he couldn,t not do much else

[red cobra]

He was a world class fighter that nearly stopped Larry Holmes. Far from mediocre.
Great PUNCHER Muchmoore, great PUNCHER, not a great FIGHTER!!!!

[red cobra]

[quote=Bill1234]You don't go 15 close rounds with Muhammad Ali, and 23 rounds with Holmes being mediocre. Shavers was a good fighter caught up in the wrong era. He'd be the champion now. He would have been one of the elites in the 90's.[/quote
It was only because of the comparative lack of punching power of Ali and Holmes that he lasted as long as he did with them. His big punch is the only thing he had. Jerry Quarry is typical of the guy who could punch and had a chin who would have feasted on Shavers. Ron Lyle is another. Sonny Liston or George Foreman would have ko'd him, etc.,, He had a great chance against guys who were intimidated by power, like Ken Norton. Of course he could take out guys with that great big right hand, but don't confuse that with being a great fighter.

[Holmes' Jab]

Shannon Briggs.

Good call. :good

[ChrisPontius]

You don't go 15 close rounds with Muhammad Ali, and 23 rounds with Holmes being mediocre. Shavers was a good fighter caught up in the wrong era. He'd be the champion now. He would have been one of the elites in the 90's.

Rudi Lubbers went 12 with a much, much better version of Ali.

But wouldn't you say he's mediocre?


I could say exactly the same thing about a Holmes opponent, say, Rodriguez, but then you'd probably say he was the next big thing, or that Larry found out one week before the fight that he had to fight the feared Rodriguez for the heavyweight championship!

[ChrisPontius]

That's Chris for ya. :good
And you know you love it :blurp

[Doppleganger]

Hmm mr.magoo and ChrisPontius a new ESB rivalry? The new Red Rooster vs JT? :)

[redrooster]

James Smith (Bonecrusher) comes to mind

[Tony]

Frankie DePaula.

[Titan1]

James Broad.

[nick wells jr]

Believing Shavers would be mentioned in a greatest fighters of all time convo in the way you insinuate makes Chris' mediocre statement pale in comparison. The only way Earnie is getting mentioned in such light is if Ali or Holmes are brought up.
well that is the conversation im talking about then.but if he wasnt one of the greatest then why is his name always mentioned.yes he was extremly powerful and i love the way he knocked down holmes so brilliantlly.and everyone who speaks of him as one of the hardest punchers ever.ok , if he is not one of the best then he was definatly not mediocre.calling him mediocre is insultive,i guarantee hed mop the floor with all of us and thats not even making a good comparison.lets do this put shavers on mike tysons opponent path and i bet that the result is the same.

[Muchmoore]

Great PUNCHER Muchmoore, great PUNCHER, not a great FIGHTER!!!!

Just because you aren't a top 25 heavyweight of the last 120 years doesn't make you mediocre. He fought for the HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE!

[Muchmoore]

I have a question for all of the people saying Shavers was mediocre, what is your definition of a mediocre fighter? Knocking down Larry Holmes, fighting for the heavyweight title, and beating numerous top 10-15 fighters in the world isn't a mediocre fighter. Mediocre fighters are guys like 26-28 records that the vast majority of fans have never heard of.

[mcvey]

Frankie DePaula.
very good call!

[mr. magoo]

I recently visited the Webster's online dictionary to look up the term mediocre. The entry read as follows " To be of moderate or low qualtity in ability

Personally, I think that this is a bad term to describe the career performance of Earnie Shavers. No, he was not an all time great, and of course never became a world champion, but not being great doesn't automatically drop someone below the ranks of good, decent or average right into the realm of being low in quality, which is how Webster describes mediocre.

Earnie Shavers had a relatively successful amateur career becoming the 1969 AAU champion. Upon turning pro, he fought on average anywhere between 7-12 times per year, knocking out almost anyone who entered the ring with him. He suffered Early losses to men like Ron Stander, Bon Stallings, Jerry Quarry and a few others, however it should be taken into consideration that his high volume of frequent ring appearances could have made him vulnerable to being cought on an off night. Shavers compiled impressive victories over such names as Ken Norton, Joe Bugner, Jimmy Ellis and Roy Williams. He also gained the testimonies of two of the most durable champions of all time in Larry Holmes and Muhammad Ali as the hardest puncher they had ever fought. Numerous boxing analysts, authors and experts including Al Bernstein, Burt Sugar, and many others have repeatedly proffessed that Earnie was in a category of his own when it came to power. Shavers has often been criticised as lacking in skill, speed, stamina, chin and other typical qualities that make great fighters. Keep in mind however, that I'm not making an argument for Shavers being great, only better than mediocre.

[Irish Steel]

Tommy Morrison.

[john garfield]

very good call!

I second the motion on DePaula: A prelim fighter's talent, but a kick like a mule!

[nick wells jr]

I recently visited the Webster's online dictionary to look up the term mediocre. The entry read as follows " To be of moderate or low qualtity in ability

Personally, I think that this is a bad term to describe the career performance of Earnie Shavers. No, he was not an all time great, and of course never became a world champion, but not being great doesn't automatically drop someone below the ranks of good, decent or average right into the realm of being low in quality, which is how Webster describes mediocre.

Earnie Shavers had a relatively successful amateur career becoming the 1969 AAU champion. Upon turning pro, he fought on average anywhere between 7-12 times per year, knocking out almost anyone who entered the ring with him. He suffered Early losses to men like Ron Stander, Bon Stallings, Jerry Quarry and a few others, however it should be taken into consideration that his high volume of frequent ring appearances could have made him vulnerable to being cought on an off night. Shavers compiled impressive victories over such names as Ken Norton, Joe Bugner, Jimmy Ellis and Roy Williams. He also gained the testimonies of two of the most durable champions of all time in Larry Holmes and Muhammad Ali as the hardest puncher they had ever fought. Numerous boxing analysts, authors and experts including Al Bernstein, Burt Sugar, and many others have repeatedly proffessed that Earnie was in a category of his own when it came to power. Shavers has often been criticised as lacking in skill, speed, stamina, chin and other typical qualities that make great fighters. Keep in mind however, that I'm not making an argument for Shavers being great, only better than mediocre.
i believe that maggos point on shavers fighting frequently definatly rings true to shavers losses.i would not even be surprised if he took many fights on extremly short notice resulting in losses.hmmm that sounds familiar my father Nick Wells had horrible pro managment prompting his awful pro career.taking fights on short notice and altogether having the opponent change at the last minute altogether.this was one of the reasons why my father who in my opinion was one of the greatest heavyweight amateurs of all time ended up as a mediocre boxer as a pro.there are lots of other dynamics that go along with this as well.the day before my father fought larry holmes in the 72 olympic trials he ran into a door that another one of his teamates was opening therfore leaving a career plaguing gash above his left eye.he still fought holmes the next day beating him in 1st rd ko.but duane bobbick opened the cut back up in the finals with my father.dad broke bobbicks nose leaving it a worse mess than dads eye and dad was ahead on points but the blood in his eye was the stoppage factor.lou duva wanted to take my father to new york and train him to become the next world heavyweight champ but my father being young and naive went with some local putz winky groom who screwed him bigtime helping add to his pro mediocreness.obviosly he had the talent and promise ,lou duva saw it as well as dustin hoffman the actor who was going to financillay back him.but it wasnt meant to be. i painfully admit it my father ,my hero nick wells was a mediocre fighter as a pro.he could have been so much more but it wasnt in the cards i guess.

[ironchamp]

You don't go 15 close rounds with Muhammad Ali, and 23 rounds with Holmes being mediocre. Shavers was a good fighter caught up in the wrong era. He'd be the champion now. He would have been one of the elites in the 90's.

Disagree.

Morrison had power and to some extent he was one of the elite albiet second tier fighters of the 90s

Mercer had power in his hands too. He wasnt a puncher of Shaver's calibre but he fell short against Holyfield and Lewis.

Bruno had elite power but eclipsed any of the 90s fighters.

Tua had dynamite power but again never even picked up a belt. And he was far more durable and fundamentally sound than Shavers.

Ruddock had elite power but again fell short.

Shavers would make a mark in the 90s much like he did the 70s but the notion that he'd be the MAN in the division would be short lived the moment he took on Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe or Lewis.

[JohnThomas1]

Hmm mr.magoo and ChrisPontius a new ESB rivalry? The new Red Rooster vs JT? :)

Hahaha, i've been watching closely myself. I just hope the material is better than the tripe redrooter comes up with

:lol:

[JohnThomas1]

well that is the conversation im talking about then.but if he wasnt one of the greatest then why is his name always mentioned.

His name is mentioned because he fought two of the greatest.

yes he was extremly powerful and i love the way he knocked down holmes so brilliantlly.and everyone who speaks of him as one of the hardest punchers ever.

No argument there.

ok , if he is not one of the best then he was definatly not mediocre.calling him mediocre is insultive,i guarantee hed mop the floor with all of us and thats not even making a good comparison.

A top 5000 featherweight would mop the floor with most of us lot.

I see your point, and aren't actually arguing for mediocre. Let us call him, very limited.

lets do this put shavers on mike tysons opponent path and i bet that the result is the same.

Sorry to disappoint, but go look up Tillis vs Shavers.

[Russell]

No love for Mac Foster eh.

[Executioner]

He fought for the HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE!

So did Tex Cobb.

;)

[Bummy Davis]

I have a question for all of the people saying Shavers was mediocre, what is your definition of a mediocre fighter? Knocking down Larry Holmes, fighting for the heavyweight title, and beating numerous top 10-15 fighters in the world isn't a mediocre fighter. Mediocre fighters are guys like 26-28 records that the vast majority of fans have never heard of.


FUNNY YOU SHOULD SAY THAT BUT MEDIOCRE Bob Stalling had a 21-24 record and was 5"9 he dropped Shavers for a 9 count and beat him on decision just before Shavers draw with 13-4 Jimmy Young. ClubfighterRon Stander took Shavers best and KO'd Earnie in 5. Quarry blitz him in 1, still earnie had power but other than that he was mediocre, Sorry to say, its not to say who did he almost beat who did he beat and who did he lose to.

[mochabuzz]

Jeff Sims (RIP)

[Luigi1985]

No love for Mac Foster eh.


He wasn´t a mediocre fighter with a great one-punch, he deserves a mention for the hardest HW puncher ever IMO...

[ChrisPontius]

lets do this put shavers on mike tysons opponent path and i bet that the result is the same.

What are you saying, Shavers would go undefeated because he would not longer run into the demons of the late 80's, i.e. Bob Stallings, Tex Cobbs, Bernardo Mercado...

[JohnThomas1]

What are you saying, Shavers would go undefeated because he would not longer run into the demons of the late 80's, i.e. Bob Stallings, Tex Cobbs, Bernardo Mercado...
AS i said, trouble is Earnie would still have to face Tillis (As early Tyson did) , Tillis beat Shavers in the early 80's. 20th fight, Earnie faces Tillis as Tyson did and GOODNIGHT IRENE to the undefeated record




:lol:

[mr. magoo]

AS i said, trouble is Earnie would still have to face Tillis (As early Tyson did) , Tillis beat Shavers in the early 80's. 20th fight, Earnie faces Tillis as Tyson did and GOODNIGHT IRENE to the undefeated record




:lol:

That chick in your avator looks like Harmione Granger ( Harry Potter's main squeeze. )

[JohnThomas1]

That chick in your avator looks like Harmione Granger ( Harry Potter's main squeeze. )

Better looking than Hermione i think

:D

[mr. magoo]

Better looking than Hermione i think

:D

You even have the spelling down and everything. You must be a big fan.

[Doppleganger]

Better looking than Hermione i think

:D
Yeah, thinking she was Hermione (cut and pasted from JT's post) is an insult to the chick in the pic. :D

[mr. magoo]

Yeah, thinking she was Hermione (cut and pasted from JT's post) is an insult to the chick in the pic. :D

He's even got the right spelling and everything. John's a huge Harry Potter fan.

[TIGEREDGE]

..with sloppy technique and the lack of ability to put a dying rabbit out of its misery.

his ko record doesn't suggest this

[JohnThomas1]

Yeah, thinking she was Hermione (cut and pasted from JT's post) is an insult to the chick in the pic. :D


:lol:

[JohnThomas1]

He's even got the right spelling and everything. John's a huge Harry Potter fan.

I got the spelling right because i had to go look up who the fukk you were talking about :lol:

Google corrected me, or should i say you. I've seen 3 Potters i think, must admit i enjoyed em for children/teen aimed stuff. It's the big kid in me

:yep

[Seamus]

Shavers gets to bask in the glow of the vastly over-rated 70's. He was the very definition of mediocre in every regards except his enormous power. The assertation that he would do any better in the 1990's or the 2000's is the product of myopia.

[Executioner]

his ko record doesn't suggest this

record's are misleading.

[DoinDamage]

I'll add Jose Luis Lopez to this discussion.

[CANNONBALL]

Earl Hargrove

[Bummy Davis]

Better looking than Hermione i think

:D

SHE IS A VICTORIA SECRET MODEL, AMBROSINO I THINK

[JohnThomas1]

SHE IS A VICTORIA SECRET MODEL, AMBROSINO I THINK

THANKS BUMMY

:good

[mr. magoo]

SHE IS A VICTORIA SECRET MODEL, AMBROSINO I THINK

Well,

if nothing else, she was at least enough to inspire John to purchase the latest J.K. Rowling book.:stir

[JohnThomas1]

Well,

if nothing else, she was at least enough to inspire John to purchase the latest J.K. Rowling book.:stir

What does he write about?

:lol:

[mr. magoo]

[quote=JohnThomas1]I got the spelling right because i had to go look up who the fukk you were talking about :lol:


I can't imagine that it was a terribly difficult search, given that all you had to do was walk over to your book case and refer to your extensive collection of Potter books.

......Oh I almost forgot........ :lol: :lol: :lol:

Can't deliver a post without a few of those can we.

[JohnThomas1]

[quote]


I can't imagine that it was a terribly difficult search, given that all you had to do was walk over to your book case and refer to your extensive collection of Potter books.

......Oh I almost forgot........ :lol: :lol: :lol:

Can't deliver a post without a few of those can we.

You seem to know an awful lot about this Potter series and it's intricasies. I would venture to guess you might even have a movie or two there in your domain.

Hey, he might even have the magic to make one's chin stronger, with or without the weight gain

:smoke

[mr. magoo]

[quote=mr. magoo]

You seem to know an awful lot about this Potter series and it's intricasies. I would venture to guess you might even have a movie or two there in your domain.

Hey, he might even have the magic to make one's chin stronger, with or without the weight gain

:smoke

LOL !!!! :lol:

All kidding asside, I actually own 4 out of the 5 existing movies. I have a doughter and several neices and nephews. In addition, I recently saw the latest film, and I have to say it was well worth watching. I've never read the books nor plan to, but the films are all master pieces. As for Potter's abilty to solidify a fighter's chin, well I recomend that you consult with master Pointius on that little tid bit. If Potter doesn't have the key, then I have no Qualms about Chris having it.

By the way, your avator is indeed a beauty. She does seem to have some facial features however, that are somewhat shall we say, Grangeresque.

[JohnThomas1]

[quote=JohnThomas1]

LOL !!!! :lol:

All kidding asside, I actually own 4 out of the 5 existing movies. I have a doughter and several neices and nephews. In addition, I recently saw the latest film, and I have to say it was well worth watching. I've never read the books nor plan to, but the films are all master pieces. As for Potter's abilty to solidify a fighter's chin, well I recomend that you consult with master Pointius on that little tid bit. If Potter doesn't have the key, then I have no Qualms about Chris having it.

By the way, your avator is indeed a beauty. She does seem to have some facial features however, that are somewhat shall we say, Grangeresque.

I should DL em. I find her facial features remind me of Cindy Crawford a lot, but maybe beter.

[ChrisPontius]

LOL !!!! :lol:

All kidding asside, I actually own 4 out of the 5 existing movies. I have a doughter and several neices and nephews. In addition, I recently saw the latest film, and I have to say it was well worth watching. I've never read the books nor plan to, but the films are all master pieces. As for Potter's abilty to solidify a fighter's chin, well I recomend that you consult with master Pointius on that little tid bit. If Potter doesn't have the key, then I have no Qualms about Chris having it.

By the way, your avator is indeed a beauty. She does seem to have some facial features however, that are somewhat shall we say, Grangeresque.

Indeed i can confirm this. Unfortunatly, we dutch people are very close to Harry Potter. :(

Just look at what idiot our people have chosen as prime minister:


Prime minister Balkenende:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Harry "the chin enhancer" Potter:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]


:yikes

[nick wells jr]

His name is mentioned because he fought two of the greatest.



No argument there.



A top 5000 featherweight would mop the floor with most of us lot.

I see your point, and aren't actually arguing for mediocre. Let us call him, very limited.



Sorry to disappoint, but go look up Tillis vs Shavers.
ahh john there you are always making sure im always in check.

[john garfield]

Don't know why this guy skipped my mind -- polio whithered leg and all -- whatta puncher! Tami Mureillo.

You might remember seeing his plug-ugly face in "On The Waterfront," as one of Charlie Friendly's goons.

In real life, he was one of the nicest guys you'd ever wanna know -- a soft touch for everyone.

[prime]

Jeff Merritt.

[JohnThomas1]

ahh john there you are always making sure im always in check.

:D

[young griffo]

I mean not elite fighters who were great allround-punchers like Ike Williams, Joe Louis, etc. for example, I mean for example mediocre journeymen, clubfighters, at the best contenders who were very dangerous, when they land something good and precise that the lights were out, here some examples:


Charley Retzlaff
Bert Cooper
Fred Fulton
Eduardo Lausse
Vick Patrick
I'm going to have to pull you up on Vic Patrick here Luigi.

Yes he had great power but he wasn't mediocre by any stretch of the imagination.He was a somewhat awkward southpaw who by all accounts looked to be clumsy but this style worked for him.He basically pawed with the right hand,using it as a range finder,before zeroing in with his devastating left hand which generally ended the fight soon after.

He compiled a 52-4-1 (45) ko's record in a particularly strong era for Australian boxing and beat top local talents like Tommy Burns,Hockey Bennell,Eddie Miller and ex-World champ Tod Morgan.His loss to 40's Lightweight contender Freddie Dawson is reputed to be one of the best fights in Australian boxing history and this fight occured a few years past Vic's prime.

If the war hadn't intervened Vic may have made an impact on an international level but either way his record shows him to be a very good fighter.

Darryl Pinckney is a better example of a mediocre fighter who possessed great one punch power I think.

[Luigi1985]

I'm going to have to pull you up on Vic Patrick here Luigi.

Yes he had great power but he wasn't mediocre by any stretch of the imagination.He was a somewhat awkward southpaw who by all accounts looked to be clumsy but this style worked for him.He basically pawed with the right hand,using it as a range finder,before zeroing in with his devastating left hand which generally ended the fight soon after.

He compiled a 52-4-1 (45) ko's record in a particularly strong era for Australian boxing and beat top local talents like Tommy Burns,Hockey Bennell,Eddie Miller and ex-World champ Tod Morgan.His loss to 40's Lightweight contender Freddie Dawson is reputed to be one of the best fights in Australian boxing history and this fight occured a few years past Vic's prime.

If the war hadn't intervened Vic may have made an impact on an international level but either way his record shows him to be a very good fighter.

Darryl Pinckney is a better example of a mediocre fighter who possessed great one punch power I think.


Yes, I know that he was a good fighter, but, with the word mediocre I meant for the world class, Bert Cooper for example fought so many very good fighters, fought for the World Title, floored the champion Holyfield, etc., he wasn´t mediocre for his time, but I meant when we compare them with the best ever (ATG´s), than they´re mediocre IMO...

[nick wells jr]

by the way john thomas,you hands down always have the best avatars.good lord,she makes me feel kinda funny,like when we used to climb the rope in gym class.

[JohnThomas1]

by the way john thomas,you hands down always have the best avatars.good lord,she makes me feel kinda funny,like when we used to climb the rope in gym class.

Hahaha

:good

[Raging B(_)LL]

Amado Ursua and David Sotelo come to mind. Both were mediocre fighters, but they could punch damn hard, especially Sotelo.

[mcvey]

I'm going to have to pull you up on Vic Patrick here Luigi.

Yes he had great power but he wasn't mediocre by any stretch of the imagination.He was a somewhat awkward southpaw who by all accounts looked to be clumsy but this style worked for him.He basically pawed with the right hand,using it as a range finder,before zeroing in with his devastating left hand which generally ended the fight soon after.

He compiled a 52-4-1 (45) ko's record in a particularly strong era for Australian boxing and beat top local talents like Tommy Burns,Hockey Bennell,Eddie Miller and ex-World champ Tod Morgan.His loss to 40's Lightweight contender Freddie Dawson is reputed to be one of the best fights in Australian boxing history and this fight occured a few years past Vic's prime.

If the war hadn't intervened Vic may have made an impact on an international level but either way his record shows him to be a very good fighter.

Darryl Pinckney is a better example of a mediocre fighter who possessed great one punch power I think.
I remember reading an Aussie boxing mag ,witha column penned by a Vick Patrick ,was it the same guy?

[bumdujour]

darryl pinckney was a pretty good puncher. dispite going 24-42, he ko´d future champs junior jones and guty espadas.

[young griffo]

I remember reading an Aussie boxing mag ,witha column penned by a Vick Patrick ,was it the same guy?
I'm guessing it would've been.

He was involved in Australian boxing as a referee,judge and critic for years and his opinion held a lot of weight once upon a time.
Unfortunately he's largely forgotten now and his death last year (?) caused barely a ripple in the Australian media,which is a shame I think.

Personally I rate him in the top dozen or so Aussie fighters of all time.

[young griffo]

darryl pinckney was a pretty good puncher. dispite going 24-42, he ko´d future champs junior jones and guty espadas.
Exactly.
He was mediocre in every respect except for his power which always had to be respected.

[red cobra]

I'm gonna say, even if it's already been said, Danny Nardico. He was probably considered a mediocre boxer, but he sure had 1 punch power, since he was THE MAN who decked Jake LaMotta.

[frankwornank]

[FROM WORNANK, FRANKIE SURE COULD PUNCHquote=Tony]Frankie DePaula.[/quote]

[frankwornank]

:yikes I RESPECT THE COURAGE FIGHTERS HAVE AND DONT LIKE THE TERM MEDIOCRE. WHEN I THINK OF ONE PUNCH GUYS I THINK OF EDUARDO LAUSSE AND BOB SATTERFIELD. THEY WERE NOT CHAMPS BUT THEY WERE GOOD FIGHTERS WITH TREMENDOUS PUNCHING POWER. WHEN I THINK OF GUYS THAT PUT HARD PUNCHES TOGETHER I THINK OF FRANKIE DEPAULA.

[nick wells jr]

:thumbsup .[/quote]

[Mike T]

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