Calzaghe or Froch - who do you prefer

[FLINT ISLAND]

British Super Middleweight rivals who will never meet because Calzaghe ignored him for the last 5 years and then retired around the time Froch came of age and wan the WBC World Super Middleweight Title

Calzaghe slags off Froch - but still wont fight him

Froch says Calzaghe is ducking him

Calzaghe built his career on WBO defences

Froch went straight in for the WBC title - and now is off to America for his 1st defence - saying he did not want to stay in a comfort zone for the next few years defending against bums but wanted to prove himself and build a worthy legacy that consists more of WBO defences at Cardiff Ice Rink against Rick Thornberry types

Calzaghe has seemed the king of British boxing for a while

But Froch for me is starting to impress me and is going about things in alot more proper way than Calzaghe did

Who do you like the best?

[El Cepillo]

If Froch actually said all these ridiculous quotes that have been attributed to him recently, then the guy is an absolute, grade 'a' cock.

I can't stand Calzaghe though.

So, at the moment, its Froch by default.

[GPater11093]

Calzaghes my man he was the fighter who got me into boxing.

I have saw all his title defences and 2 fights before he was champ

[Gaz S]

Froch. There are elements of his personality that are a little bit of a myth in my opinion. I have seen/read loads of interviews where he does pay respect to Calzaghe, and only says that he feels Joe is ducking him. He gives Calzaghe the credit where it's due though.
Calzaghe on the other hand seems a little bit nasty towards Froch, especially when Joe refused to give Carl any credit for his WBC title win, and came across quite classless - and yes, even jealous - about it.

Carl seems to be a genuine, down to earth nice guy who is very articulate and intelligent. If you actually watch his interviews, especially the profiles ITV did on him building up to Pascal, you could sense this.

Also, Carl is willing to back up his boasts by actually testing himself against the best he can as soon as he can, something that took Calzaghe 10 years as WBO champion to start doing.

["TKO"]

British Super Middleweight rivals who will never meet because Calzaghe ignored him for the last 5 years and then retired around the time Froch came of age and wan the WBC World Super Middleweight Title

Calzaghe slags off Froch - but still wont fight him

Froch says Calzaghe is ducking him

Calzaghe built his career on WBO defences

Froch went straight in for the WBC title - and now is off to America for his 1st defence - saying he did not want to stay in a comfort zone for the next few years defending against bums but wanted to prove himself and build a worthy legacy that consists more of WBO defences at Cardiff Ice Rink against Rick Thornberry types

Calzaghe has seemed the king of British boxing for a while

But Froch for me is starting to impress me and is going about things in alot more proper way than Calzaghe did

Who do you like the best?

I prefer Calzaghe to be honest. I think Froch talking of Calzaghe ducking him is a myth, until he picked up the WBC belt he had never done anything to make himself stand out from a number of other contenders and prospects, and seemed to be taking the Junior Witter route of trying to secure a fight and a payday through simply happening to have been born on the same mass of land.

Froch has been fighting Rick Thornberry types for the last few years and I give him his credit for going overseas to take on a legitimate contender in his first defence which is impressive. However, on the flip side of the coin, he's what 31 now having just won his first world title and really has to be in a bit more of a rush about it than Calzaghe, who won his aged 25.

[warrior85]

calzaghe. i cant stand froch

[El Cepillo]

Froch. There are elements of his personality that are a little bit of a myth in my opinion. I have seen/read loads of interviews where he does pay respect to Calzaghe, and only says that he feels Joe is ducking him. He gives Calzaghe the credit where it's due though.
Calzaghe on the other hand seems a little bit nasty towards Froch, especially when Joe refused to give Carl any credit for his WBC title win, and came across quite classless - and yes, even jealous - about it.

Carl seems to be a genuine, down to earth nice guy who is very articulate and intelligent. If you actually watch his interviews, especially the profiles ITV did on him building up to Pascal, you could sense this.

Also, Carl is willing to back up his boasts by actually testing himself against the best he can as soon as he can, something that took Calzaghe 10 years as WBO champion to start doing.

Very true :good

[trotter]

Froch... I believe he genuinely wants to fight the best, and that's a great attitude to have. He has the hunger. I respect that.

I respect Joe too, it's not a one or the other situation for me. But I like Froch's attitude, and this idea people have about him being massively arrogant is naive. He has to create a public persona. He seems brutally honest but pretty down to earth to me.

Really hope he beats Taylor.

[captain k]

Froch as he seems willing to fight true world class opponents wen calzaghe didn't always fight the best fights did he?
I enjoyed calzaghe against kessler far more thatn his last too fights the jones thing done nothing but weaken his legacy in my opinion wen we all
Would have far preferred to see the fight a decade earlier instead of joe waiting till he reckoned jones was shot.these are the things that annoyed me with calzaghe for a so called 10 year world title reign he
He rarely put it on the line and fought in true world class

[Grievesy]

I'm pretty indifferent when it comes to Calzaghe. Never really liked his style, but he deserves the respect he earned. Don't like how he defended against bums for 10 years. But still neither like him or hate him, but would support him when he fought.

However I'm a fan of Froch. I like his attitude towards boxing, going for the best, at least he is at the moment. He is an exciting fighter, and I'm hoping for bigger things for him in the future.

[noonan]

all this froch jc stuff is rubbish, jc would do froch inside 6, rjj would beat froch, hop would beat froch, kessler would slaughter froch ,manfredo would..... ok maybe thats pushing it!!

[Dan684]

I choose Froch. I respect what Calzaghe has done throughout his career but I respect Froch more for going for the best (WBC) belt and then defending straight away against his mandatory. Furthermore Froch is that desperate to make the fight happen he's going to THE CHALLENGERS backyard to do it.

[hit me HARDER]

Froch is doing things the right way, good luck to him.

Calzaghe would make him look fucking ordinary though.

[mrbassie]

definitely Froch. Calzaghe's better but.......well need I say

[mstar]

calzaghe, frotch whats he actually achieved??? he has no class all u hear him say how great he is and how crap everyone else is and a idiot. next time IF HE beats taylor, he will start saying he is a ATG and the best as he beat taylor who beat hopkins.
froch is a idiot

[rossd1506]

I like both of them. I can see both points of view, i think Calzaghe had his eyes on bigger things than a fight with Froch. Where a fight with Calzaghe for Froch would have been an ideal scenario as catching Calzaghe at this stage of his career gives Froch a chance of winning imo. Calzaghe at his peak i.e Lacy and Kessler would wipe the floor with Froch.

[Danny]

Calzaghe! But that does not mean I'm not a fan of Froch or that I do not like him!

Carl is a solid fighter, but I'd like to see a bit more respect shown towards Calzaghe from Frcoh! Didn't they both talk over the phone at one stage where both agreed to the bout if the financial terms were right?

In terms of achievement, Froch does not come close to JC & may never will. We should remember Froch is 31 himself, only six years younger than Joe. Calzgahe fought Eubank aged 25.

Froch should just let it go. Joe has retired, moved on & is getting on with his life. The only fight Joe would be remotely interested in is probably a rematch with Hopkins & even then Joe has said NO!

Froch should stop talking & worry about a certain Mr Taylor who he has a date with scheduled for April 25th. This is not a walk in the park for either guy by any means. I sense Taylor fancies this one, that he's really up for it!

[TFFP]

Calzaghe. Better fighter to watch by far.

[ishy]

Poll's tied at 17-17 :lol:

I still have my vote left :think

[cityofgod]

Calzaghe. Better fighter to watch by far.

You cant be f*cking serious mate !

9 of his last 10 fights have been points wins !

Wheras Froch has stopped 9 of his 10 (in style) !

Calzaghe has that woeful, cuffing slapping gurning style...

...and his f*cking showboating, dont even start there !!

[Axl_Nose]

This is a very interesting thread. Calzaghe should be a true icon on this forum but somehow he isnt and i totally agree with the critics of him. For true boxing fans this Joe took far too long stepping up in class, he was quite happy to take the paydays against substandard opposition like Tocker Pudwell and Will 'Kid Fire' Mcintyre .. He never wanted to go to America until the last possible moment, he never wanted to take on the big guns until the big guns were shadows of they're former selvs (i am including Hopkins in that even though he beat Pavlik, the Hopkins who beat Pavlik aint as good as the Hopkins that fought Taylor, thats a fact. Pavlik was awful in that fight) .. You also have to take into account that the Super-Middle division has always been a terrible division like the Cruisers. You can make some money in a country like Britain as a Super Middle but in the states you really need to make a choice between Middle and Light Heavy to mean anything, Super Middle is a nothing division that isnt respected.
My critique of Calzaghe doesnt mean that im a huge believer in Froch. Hes my favourite British fighter by a mile but i think he'll get beat by Taylor if Taylor is properly focused.
My respect for Froch comes from the fact that hes just won the title against Pascal and hes ready to risk a first defence against Taylor in America. If he'd have gone the Joe Calzaghe route, he'd be taking WBO fights for the next 5 years against bums and 'former' good fighters.
Froch also has a far better, cleaner style of fighting. Calzaghe throwing 30 punches a minute but only landing with 2 or 3 never excited me at all, it was always scrappy and inaccurate but people always said 'oh what a great boxer', like he was Sugar Ray Leonard .. It was totally ridiculous to me, so im going for Froch ..

[Max Molyneux]

Calzaghe by far. Froch is a Hennessey hype job with a big mouth which is typical of Mick's fighters.

Boxing fans nitpick too much to admit to how good Joe really was.

[Axl_Nose]

I like both of them. I can see both points of view, i think Calzaghe had his eyes on bigger things than a fight with Froch. Where a fight with Calzaghe for Froch would have been an ideal scenario as catching Calzaghe at this stage of his career gives Froch a chance of winning imo. Calzaghe at his peak i.e Lacy and Kessler would wipe the floor with Froch.

If Froch beats Taylor your going to have to change your opinion. Taylor is a far better, more fluid fighter than Lacy or Kessler were/are .. As ever the guys that rate Kessler as some kind of cross between Sugar Ray Robinson and Hagler are out in force, but really, how good is Mikkel Kessler ?? How you can judge a guy's greatness when he operates as a Super- Middleweight whose best wins are in Germany are beyond me .
When Kessler goes to america to face Pavlik or Hopkins or when he deals with Abrahams in Germany, then maybe we can start talking about him as something. But calling him a great fighter for a losing effort against Calzaghe is crazy to me. What the hell has he done since the Calzaghe fight ??
Froch beating Taylor away from home will easily out-do Calzaghe beating Kessler at home in my opinion .. After all, Jermaine Taylor has beaten Hopkins twice, and in a more convincing fashion than Calzaghe did it

[Axl_Nose]

Calzaghe by far. Froch is a Hennessey hype job with a big mouth which is typical of Mick's fighters.

Boxing fans nitpick too much to admit to how good Joe really was.

Joe was really good in the super middleweight division against the fighters he faced, of course it helped that he was British. If he was american he would have had to of faced someone with some ability in the first 6 years of his reign.
In this country people flock to see Amir Khan, Calzaghe, Hatton and previously Naz fighting bums, in america were there are no moron football supporters going to fights, there has to be a competitive edge.
90% of people who go to Khan's fights have never heard of Marquez and they're not interested in the lightweight division, they want to get pissed and see Khan beat up a bum, they then go home happy ..

The American fight fan is often too biased but is far more knowledgable than the 'average' British fight fan who, more-often-than not, gets his 'facts' from the Sun or Star newspaper. This media manipulation of the moron masses has enabled Calzaghe, Hatton and Naz to scoop up the cash while having a less than competitive career ..

[46and0]

Calzaghe by a mile. Froch is a cock. A jumped up arrogant disrespectful twat.

[Betty Swollocks]

Froch by a mile, though i'd give him only a very slim chance of beating Calzaghe in a boxing match.
Calzaghe is a twat, Froch is a top guy and very good for the sport.

[9Ball]

They are both a pair of wankers but Calzaghe is the bigger wanker so I have voted for Froch. 25-25 at the mo'. :)

[mryeags]

Ive met Froch and hes a top bloke ... his boxing persona isnt whats hes like as a person ! ... Massive test on the 25th but i for one sure hope he does it ....

Im not biased as ive seen Calzaghe live in cardiff on three occasions and Froch twice at the Trent FM Arena ...

Its Froch for me but i am a Nottm lad so biased somewhat ..

[dwilson]

If Froch beats Taylor he will have already acheived more than Calzaghe did in his entire career. A real shame Joe did not try to get the hard fights but that is the type of bloke he is.

[achillesthegreat]

If I could Froch's mind with Calzaghes talent that we got something special. Froch certinaly appears more ballsy and pure fighter.

[toffeejack]

Calzaghe obviously.

Froch is a big mouth who is about to get shown up. Possibly by Taylor but certainly by Kessler if that happens.

Not once did Carl Froch ever get big enough to be on Joe's radar and lucky for him because he would have been totally and utterly outclassed.

[Betty Swollocks]

Calzaghe obviously.

Froch is a big mouth who is about to get shown up. Possibly by Taylor but certainly by Kessler if that happens.

Not once did Carl Froch ever get big enough to be on Joe's radar and lucky for him because he would have been totally and utterly outclassed.


yeah not big enough like Pudwill, McIntyre, Ashira etc etc etc etc.:roll:

it sounds like everyone who has met Froch in person thinks he's a quality guy, while even a couple of Calzxaghe's huggers on here have acknowledged the man is a cock in person.

[cityofgod]

A lad met JC at the Enzo vs Haye fight and said he was pretty arrogant and miserable.

Then another lad said he was really decent.

I think JC is probably a bit complicated and introvert at times, then other times he is way over the top.

I met Froch at a sporting dinner and he spent about 15 minutes solid talking about stuff in a circle of folk, from football to Calzaghe. He said that Joe had a warrior's heart in the ring, but unfortunately not out of it. That he respected his talent, but felt he should have really flown the flag and took on everyone instead of sitting collecting cheques fighting nobodies.

[Grant1]

A lad met JC at the Enzo vs Haye fight and said he was pretty arrogant and miserable.

Then another lad said he was really decent.

I think JC is probably a bit complicated and introvert at times, then other times he is way over the top.

I met Froch at a sporting dinner and he spent about 15 minutes solid talking about stuff in a circle of folk, from football to Calzaghe. He said that Joe had a warrior's heart in the ring, but unfortunately not out of it. That he respected his talent, but felt he should have really flown the flag and took on everyone instead of sitting collecting cheques fighting nobodies.

Calzaghe is a top bloke.

Just shy, which will come over as miserable and arrogant on times.

[Decebal]

The result of this poll so far (30/30) speaks plenty about the famous and much lauded ESB British Forum, I think.

["TKO"]

If Froch beats Taylor he will have already acheived more than Calzaghe did in his entire career. A real shame Joe did not try to get the hard fights but that is the type of bloke he is.

Have you been drinking? I don't mind Froch, but beating another up and coming contenderfor a belt and then one good former middleweight champion do not come close to winning all four belts whilst beating ten world champions.

[mrbassie]

Calzaghe throwing 30 punches a minute but only landing with 2 or 3 never excited me at all, it was always scrappy and inaccurate but people always said 'oh what a great boxer', like he was Sugar Ray Leonard .. It was totally ridiculous to me, so im going for Froch ..

Well said

[mryeags]

Well said

Mr Bassie , Im going for the chick in your avatar ! she would kick both there asses put toghether and mine too !! frightening ....

[Grant1]

Decebel has posted this in the General and it's a landslide to Joe.

Something like 23 -3.

[sebcfc]

This is a bit of a joke really, if this poll is based on talent. Calzaghe would wipe the floor with Froch

["TKO"]

This is a bit of a joke really, if this poll is based on talent. Calzaghe would wipe the floor with Froch

That's the point, it's not. It's simply about who people like the most. No real logic behind it, just who you like.

[FLINT ISLAND]

That's the point, it's not. It's simply about who people like the most. No real logic behind it, just who you like.


:good

[FLINT ISLAND]

This is a bit of a joke really, if this poll is based on talent. Calzaghe would wipe the floor with Froch

:-(

[p.Townend]

Im not a fan of Calzaghe but i prefer him as a person to Froch,i also think Joe was a better fighter.Froch has not fought anyone apart from a faded Rob Reid.If he beats Taylor then maybe he can start to mouth off about how good he is,as it stands he just comes across as a prick.

[debaser]

People attach too much weight to boxing personas. Both Calzaghe and Froch come across as arrogant when discussing the fight game but neither are in reality.

When I was still at university I emailed Joe and asked him if he could give me an interview to include in my disseration. He came alone to meet me at Cardiff University and we chatted for about 45 minutes in which he answered every question I asked. The Calzaghe gym in Newbridge has always had an open door policy so anyone who wants to meet any of their fighters or even train alongside them can do so.

I've never met Froch in person but those who have all say that he is approachable and always willing to chat.

As for comparing them as fighters, we need to wait for Froch to develop his career before we can do this. At the moment there is no comparison. The biggest name Froch has on his record is a severely depleted Robin Reid. He's doing the right things but at present does not come near Calzaghe's achievements.

[rossd1506]

I think Calzaghe has suffered at times from a small town attitude. I heard Frank ****** getting interviewed before the big fall out with the calzaghe camp, saying that he could have made Calzaghe millions through sponsorships like modelling for Armani but he turned it down as Calzaghe didnt want the exposure or the hassle, (the contract went to Freddie Ljundberg) He was offered to fight on American undercards which would have got him exposure over there much earlier than he eventually did.

[jc]

Calzaghe. Simply the superior athlete.

[Steve Fox]

I think Calzaghe has suffered at times from a small town attitude. I heard Frank ****** getting interviewed before the big fall out with the calzaghe camp, saying that he could have made Calzaghe millions through sponsorships like modelling for Armani but he turned it down as Calzaghe didnt want the exposure or the hassle, (the contract went to Freddie Ljundberg) He was offered to fight on American undercards which would have got him exposure over there much earlier than he eventually did.As a general rule, don't quote Frank ****** in order to make a point. The reason for this being that many cynical, bitter and frankly insecure members of this forum often question his honesty. It's a sad sign of the times I'm afraid.

On the point of the thread though, I prefer Froch by a mile. He's always made me laugh (whether he intended to or not, I wonder) whereas Joe is a conceited twat who - in my opinion - has been no more than Frank ******'s greatest product. A career based on not losing, while utilising the compliance of his undiscerning fans.

...and by the way, JC clearly wanted no part of Froch and his defenders using grotesquely exaggerated examples of personal comments as a reason to 'not give Froch a payday', is just plain poor.

[JonOli]

Going by his last fight I'd rather watch a fight by Froch (not that he's the better fighter). It's early days to say though as Froch is still yet to really establish himself on the scene.

Edit: just seen a clip in the main forum of Calzaghe claiming the, non top ten contender, Eubank he beat was more dangerous than the young prime Eubank.

Froch for me.

[debaser]

As a general rule, don't quote Frank ****** in order to make a point. The reason for this being that many cynical, bitter and frankly insecure members of this forum often question his honesty. It's a sad sign of the times I'm afraid.

On the point of the thread though, I prefer Froch by a mile. He's always made me laugh (whether he intended to or not, I wonder) whereas Joe is a conceited twat who - in my opinion - has been no more than Frank ******'s greatest product. A career based on not losing, while utilising the compliance of his undiscerning fans.

...and by the way, JC clearly wanted no part of Froch and his defenders using grotesquely exaggerated examples of personal comments as a reason to 'not give Froch a payday', is just plain poor.

Unless you're stupid enough to question the integrity of a High Court Judge there is ample evidence to question ******'s "honesty". Or is he bitter, insecure and cynical as well?

Seems like dear old Frank is deluded and at war with the world.