Who beats Roy Jones at these weights?

[Amsterdam]

160

168

175

200

At his very best of course and likewise with the opponents.

My picks:

160 - Nobody

168 - Nobody

175 - Bob Foster, Michael Spinks, Michael Moorer.

200 - Evander Holyfield

That's it. Pretty impressive that those are the only guys I can reasonably pick over him.

[kg0208]

Well at 160 you know I choose Hagler.

168 No one.

175 Spinks, Charles, Moore (maybe) and Foster (probably)

200 Holyfield and thats it.

[Stinky gloves]

Just the recent guys:

160 - Taylor ... another draw!

168 - Toney in the rematch

175 - Michalczewski

200 - Holyfield, Haye, Mormeck, Dong

[China_hand_Joe]

160

168

175

200

At his very best of course and likewise with the opponents.

My picks:

160 - Nobody

168 - Nobody

175 - Bob Foster, Michael Spinks, Michael Moorer.

200 - Evander Holyfield

That's it. Pretty impressive that those are the only guys I can reasonably pick over him.What about Calzaghe at 175 -qm-

[Stinky gloves]

What about Calzaghe at 175 -qm-

:lol: obvious answer :lol:

[Executioner]

160 - Monzon, Robinson
168 - no one
175 - Spinks, Charles, Foster, Moore
200 - Evander Holyfield

[Rollo]

At 168: Calzaghe(if he does a "Lacy" on Kessler on nov 2.)

[Amsterdam]

What about Calzaghe at 175 -qm-

We've discussed this.

[Amsterdam]

Well at 160 you know I choose Hagler.

168 No one.

175 Spinks, Charles, Moore (maybe) and Foster (probably)

200 Holyfield and thats it.

No disrespect, but by picking Hagler I think you are underestimating your favourite fighter a bit. I personally give Hagler little chance because speed offset him greatly, I have never seen a MW quicker than Jones.

[China_hand_Joe]

We've discussed this.I thought you disagreed with me and suggested Calzaghe would win.

[Amsterdam]

I thought you disagreed with me, and suggested Calzaghe would win.

I'm looking to reduce the logic that stone age fighters have any chance at all vs. a magnificent example like Jones, we can move on from there after the majority have come to the realisation necessary. I don't think that we will get anywhere, but we can try, otherwise, let's not push it.

[kg0208]

6 rounds with Benn at his best is too many rounds for Jones to escape

You're right, Jones would put Benn to sleep in that time frame.

[Amsterdam]

Hagler at his best was a lot more mobile than in the Leonard fight, at which point he had become more of a come-forward brawler. In his prime I'd say he had a pretty good shot against Jones, but I'd favor Jones likely, wouldn't favor any MW other than Greb, but I know how you disgree with that.

Yes, I disagree with that, but I am not going to get into a debate over it at this time, especially since you impress me very much with the majority of your astute outlook.

[Manassa]

Tony Zale would kill Jones.

[Amsterdam]

You're right, Jones would put Benn to sleep in that time frame.

Calzaghe would have brutalised him also, tko 10 or so. Benn's style plays right into Joe's.

[Mind Reader]

I can't see anybody beating him at 168.

[kg0208]

He'd have to, as well

Hey, I respect Benn. Great power. But his style....he would have never caught Jones. (Not to mention, Jones has never been hurt at 168 or below or in his prime, all other stuff about his chin is hindsight guessing) would have played right into Jones.

Nunn is the only guy I think who could beat Jones at 168.

[China_hand_Joe]

I can't see anybody beating him at 168.You have to give both prime (via KO) and peak Calzaghe (via UD) a chance of sorts.

[Amsterdam]

Hey, I respect Benn. Great power. But his style....he would have never caught Jones. (Not to mention, Jones has never been hurt at 168 or below or in his prime, all other stuff about his chin is hindsight guessing) would have played right into Jones.

Nunn is the only guy I think who could beat Jones at 168.

Nunn is overrated in my opinion for 'outboxing Toney'. Jones dominated Toney in a superior fashion, think about this as well - if Toney can spark Nunn, so can Jones, who had 1 punch KO power at 168, don't see it happening mate.

Jones is untouchable at 168 period, closest guy who has a shot is the next in line H2H in Joe Calzaghe.

[dave82]

:wtf

Im with Mclovin. WTF?????

[Asterion]

160...Hagler, Monzon, Greb

168...Greb

175...Charles, Moore, Foster, Spinks, Conn

200...Holyfield

[kg0208]

Nunn could not beat Jones, where is this coming from?

I don't think he would beat Jones, I think he has a better chance than anyone else. He is tall with a great jab. He was also a very good boxer and had great technical skills.

[KO Boxing]

Ain't no one beating Jones... ;)

Hagler, Robinson, Greb, Monzon, Moore, Spinks, Charles, Foster, Holyfield...

They maybe greater, but no WAY in the blue world would I favour ALL of the above over Roy in a head to head. NO WAY!

[KO Boxing]

And I mean ALL of the above. Some could definately win head to head. Spinks and Holyfield being my personal favourite to do it out of those.

[kg0208]

Ain't no one beating Jones... ;)

Hagler, Robinson, Greb, Monzon, Moore, Spinks, Charles, Foster, Holyfield...

They maybe greater, but no WAY in the blue world would I favour ALL of the above over Roy in a head to head. NO WAY!

You think that Jones could beat Holyfield at CW? I mean he is considered the greatest CW of all time for a reason.

[ko factor]

160 - Ray Leonard

168 - Greb

175 - Michael Spinks

200 - Evander Holyfield

[ko factor]

Leonard at MW?What division did SRL beat Hagler genius?:patsch

[KO Boxing]

You think that Jones could beat Holyfield at CW? I mean he is considered the greatest CW of all time for a reason.
I think he COULD. Yeah, definately. Although in all honesty I'd favour Holy (and Spinks, for that matter, too)

[ko factor]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea


He beat an old Hagler at MW by using movement and speed, things he would have no advantage with against RJJ. Also add to the fact that RJJ was bigger, stronger, and hit harder, and I don't see how beating an old Hagler was anything to do with beating RJJ. They fought nothing alike.



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If there is a fighter that can compete w/ RJJ in terms of skills it's SRL IMO, he was the only boxer that had tools to beat him in the MW division due to his speed, boxing ability & ring smarts.:yep & Btw Hagler was a big puncher too.

[Axe]

At 200 lbs I'd give Holyfield, Mormeck, and JC Gomez the nod over RJJ.

Oneil Bell would be close to 50/50.

[KO Boxing]

He had the skills yes, but he was basically a smaller version of Jones. Skill-wise they were similar, though I'd say Roy was a slightly better athlete, but the fact is Jones is just bigger, stronger, and more powerful. Pound for pound I may choose SRL, but given their size as they were you'd have to go with Jones.
I agree that Jones beats him due to size, strength and power... But just wanted to mention that Leonard in his prime, to me, was a master RING GENERAL. Yeah sometimes it seemed as if he used his footwork and footspeed too much and to be too defensive, but damn, very few fighters could "set" themselves against him. But then again, that did work best against guys who "followed" him around, ala Hearns in the first half of the first fight and Hagler. Which Roy certainly wouldn't be doing.

Hard to say for me who wins p4p outta Roy and Leonard. Leonard certainly is the greater fighter, though. But Roy wins 160 and up.

[ko factor]

He had the skills yes, but he was basically a smaller version of Jones. Skill-wise they were similar, though I'd say Roy was a slightly better athlete, but the fact is Jones is just bigger, stronger, and more powerful. Pound for pound I may choose SRL, but given their size as they were you'd have to go with Jones. Hagler was a beast too... bigger, stronger & more powerful.... Well we never know coz they didn't fight...These are just subjective facts.... But then what if?:hey

[China_hand_Joe]

He had the skills yes, but he was basically a smaller version of Jones. Skill-wise they were similar, though I'd say Roy was a slightly better athlete, but the fact is Jones is just bigger, stronger, and more powerful. Pound for pound I may choose SRL, but given their size as they were you'd have to go with Jones.Solid post mate. That is roughly the same as I feel about Calzaghe vs Robinson.

[McGrain]

I'm only putting down people I'd FAVOR, not 50/50 or guys that would have a chance.


160- Greb

168- Greb

175- Charles, Langford, Greb, Foster, Spinks

200- Dempsey

Good post Pea.

I'll only put down the guys I favour too. I'd pick Langford and Greb to beat him at all weighs apart from 200, which I'm not sure Langfod cold do confortabley, and i'm not sure Greb could reach.

At 160 i'd add Sugar Ray Robinson, though I wouldn't favour him at these higher weights.

At 200, Dempsey is the obvious choice and I'd add Marciano. Marciano is a nightmare for Jones Junior.

[Guru_Too_You]

OK, I'm listing guys that I see as 50/50, given that on any night they may beat Roy at the respective weights.

160 - Monzon, Hagler

168 - Nobody

175 - Spinks, Foster, Langford (favored), Charles (favored), Moore

200 - Dempsey, Marciano, Holyfield and Joe Louis (all favored)

I refuse Greb only because I have not seen enough of him to properly assess.

[McGrain]

Lots of people picking Charles; i'm not so sure on that one. I'm a big, big admirer of Charles and see him as the greater fighter but I don't know, it seems to me he's a fighter who has to land to hit fluidity. Maybe Jones - who has a rythym breaking style without compromising his own rythym - may spell trouble for him stylistically.

[ssabripo]

160- maybe Greb (50%)
168 - nobody
175 - spinks, charles
200 - holyfield, dempsey, maybe moorer (50%)

[China_hand_Joe]

Why does everyone in this thread consider Calzaghe nobody -questionmark-

[Stewbear]

This list would be far to long and compicated to write down.
Lots an lots of people is the answer, especially above middle, though maybe only Calzaghe at 168.

[Stewbear]

And wtf is with picking Jones over anyone above 175 because he beat fucking ruiz! get the fuck out of here

[McGrain]

Why does everyone in this thread consider Calzaghe nobody -questionmark-


Not a nobody, not at all.

Just not good enough to pick over Jones at 168. For me he has nothing like a 50/50 although he would be competitive.

[VIP]

At 160-168 I don't think you can pick any? I mean Jones was lightning quick, evasive skills were uncanny and hit like a mule at those weights. Maybe only Greb? but noone has ever seen this guy fight.

There would be quite a few though at 175-200. There's been many great LHW's and Jones would have a more difficult time at these weights against the best. Although I think he could still match it with the best of em.

[Stewbear]

Well if Johnson and Tarver could ktfo Jones...
:good

[pioterbezkitu]

Well if Johnson and Tarver could ktfo Jones...
:good


Well and if you're a bitch
:good

[Stewbear]

Well and if you're a bitch
:good

Well thought out comeback my friend:good
Now you can get back to sucking Jones' dick.

[Guru_Too_You]

Well thought out comeback my friend:good
Now you can get back to sucking Jones' dick.

Brawler.... is that you again?

[Pimp C]

160 No one

168 No one

175 Spinks & Foster

200 Holyfield

[pioterbezkitu]

Brawler.... is that you again?

I haven't seen Dipper for some time now, maybe it's him :huh

[Stewbear]

Brawler.... is that you again?

Nope.
Does this Brawler character have equally eloquent comebacks:D

[Illmatic]

160- SRR, Monzon

168- no one

175- Charles, Spinks, Moore, Tunney

200- Holyfield

[Illmatic]

32 is old now ?

it's old in imonhaglersjock land. In that land, Mugabi is an all time great as well.

[Illmatic]

I know ! Mugabi is the most over rated fighter of all time . Did he ever win a decent fight . He got knocked out like 10 times .

not one. Yet, some Hagler lover will come in here and tell the terrific tales of some fringe contenders he beat and how feared they were despite their records.

[brooklyn1550]

160: Marvin Hagler
168: None
175: Michael Spinks, Ezzard Charles, Sam Langford, Bob Foster
200: Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano, Evander Holyfield