Pavlik is exactly what boxing needs!!! [Archive]

Ramshall1

08-23-2007, 07:34 PM

kg0208

08-23-2007, 07:37 PM

J.S: Do you think the fans are ready for a new champion at middleweight to replace Taylor?

K.P: I think so. The fans like a guy who likes to fight and wants to fight. I plan on sticking around at middleweight for quite a while too. I want the other belts. You can’t just opt for the big money fights in boxing. You know, there’s always going to be money there anyway. I want to take on the other guys out there as well, not just pick the big money bouts.

Pavlik is cool, but it's not like Taylor isn't fighting good opposition. Case and point, he is fighting Pavlik.

Taylor is unconcerned about the other belts cuz they are rightfully his anyways. He is the Lineal undisputed champion. Hopkins lost to Taylor, no one else.

Ramshall1

08-23-2007, 07:42 PM

Pavlik is cool, but it's not like Taylor isn't fighting good opposition. Case and point, he is fighting Pavlik.

Taylor is unconcerned about the other belts cuz they are rightfully his anyways. He is the Lineal undisputed champion. Hopkins lost to Taylor, no one else.

He gave props to Taylor. . . my point is more directed to certain other boxers who cherry pick opponants and act as if the world owes him the biggest money fights in history. . . should be to hard to pick him out.

Hint:
Hes a yellowbelly coward and her name rhymes with Boyd Dayweather :yep

kg0208

08-23-2007, 07:45 PM

Ramshall1

08-23-2007, 07:48 PM

I already knew that, but since I don't agree with you and never have, its a moot point.

youre a moot point.

kg0208

08-23-2007, 07:50 PM

youre a moot point.
And straight to the insults as usual.

Stinky gloves

08-23-2007, 07:51 PM

People said the same about Taylor before he fought Hopkins.

JETSKI

08-23-2007, 08:10 PM

Pavlik is overhyped. He´s pretty good, maybe he beats Taylor but he hasn´t earned that hype surronding him right now.

31-0, 28 KO's against some guys that have never been down in their careers before, wind up getting KO'ed by Pavlik isn't hype. He's the real deal. A natural fighter & an intelligent one, too. Its gonna be a great fight...while it lasts.

BigEars

08-23-2007, 08:14 PM

Pavlik is indeed good for boxing , a quality fighter that is very exciting to watch , which is what we need more of in the sport .

I'm also glad that should he win he'll stay around at Middleweight and try establish a legacy there . It looks like he wants to fight Arthur and Sturm which is a good thing .

If Pavlik wins he will be the true Middleweight champ , and for me the #1 contender would just happen to be the IBF champ . So where as unification wouldn't be that important in this sense(especially seeing as the IBF would probably strip Pavlik in no time) it would be the champ facing the number one contender .

That's a much better scenario than Taylor winning , vacating one of the true titles that we actually have and become a sacrificial lamb to Joe Calzaghe(that's should Calzaghe beat Kessler which imo he will) .

psychopath

08-23-2007, 08:18 PM

J.S: Do you think the fans are ready for a new champion at middleweight to replace Taylor?

K.P: I think so. The fans like a guy who likes to fight and wants to fight. I plan on sticking around at middleweight for quite a while too. I want the other belts. You can’t just opt for the big money fights in boxing. You know, there’s always going to be money there anyway. I want to take on the other guys out there as well, not just pick the big money bouts.

Indeed. We need more fighters like Pav. :yep

Makes sense. If he has all ther bets . . . then the money fights comes in.

psychopath

08-23-2007, 08:21 PM

Pavlik is overhyped. He´s pretty good, maybe he beats Taylor but he hasn´t earned that hype surronding him right now.

Overhyped . . . only in this board buddy . . . but in reality he is trying to earn respect that's why he's fighting the top competitions.

PACZ

08-23-2007, 10:10 PM

If Mayweather Was Ko'in Guys Like Pavlik Is Than Mayweather Would Be Well Respected By All. What The F Is Mayweather On This Topic? Pavlik Is What Boxing Needs. A Fighter Who Is In It For More Than Just The Money!!!!!!! Period!

brooklyn1550

08-23-2007, 10:12 PM

Pavlik is great for boxing. He wants to fight the best (as does Taylor) and he has a very crowd pleasing style.

CASH_718

08-23-2007, 10:12 PM

J.S: Do you think the fans are ready for a new champion at middleweight to replace Taylor?

K.P: I think so. The fans like a guy who likes to fight and wants to fight. I plan on sticking around at middleweight for quite a while too. I want the other belts. You can’t just opt for the big money fights in boxing. You know, there’s always going to be money there anyway. I want to take on the other guys out there as well, not just pick the big money bouts.This coming from a guy that waited til his 31st fight to fight someone with a pulse.:patsch

BigReg

08-23-2007, 10:32 PM

This coming from a guy that waited til his 31st fight to fight someone with a pulse.:patsch

Good point. Anyone can say in an interview that they want to fight the best and aren't worried about making big money fights. It's another thing to actually do it. Pavlik has padded his record by beating C and D level fighters. When Pavlik starts beating good fighters on a consistent basis, that's when people should be singing his praises. Until then it's just talk

BigReg

08-23-2007, 10:35 PM

No one wanted to fight him. He's very tall for the weight class, which provides a unique challenge to fighters with their own hopes of being the champ iat his weight. He also had like 90%+ KO rate, incredibly high for the weight class. Then, according to Arum, the big cable networks are racist towards white fighters in general.

But who cares why? It's beside the point now, since he completely dismantled Miranda, who is a better quality fighter than JT IMO.

I can't believe you said that. Miranda is a one handed fighter with a suspect chin, and very little ring intellegence. He get's by on his power alone.

BigReg

08-23-2007, 10:37 PM

His single win against Miranda is more convincing than JT's entire gift-laden career.

Let's get real here, Hopkins, Joppy, Marquez, Soinks, and even Ouma are all better fighters than Miranda.

Asterion

08-23-2007, 10:42 PM

Pavlik is great for boxing. I like his fighting style and personality.

BigReg

08-23-2007, 10:44 PM

Lots of gift decisions and/or overrated fighters and/or unconvincing wins. Miranda would KO JT within 5 rounds.

Miranda is the very definition of an overrated fighter. The rest of Pavlik's wins were against has beens, C and D level fighters, and even a few club fighters. By the way, JT knocked out Marquez, and won clear decisions against Ouma and Joppy.

tays001

08-23-2007, 11:02 PM

Pavlik is overhyped. He´s pretty good, maybe he beats Taylor but he hasn´t earned that hype surronding him right now.

:huh :huh :huh
how is he hyped is it becauz he's white or not eupopean:hey

don owens

08-23-2007, 11:03 PM

Im thinking Taylor will be knocked out by Pavlik around round six.

SkillsSoSmooth

08-23-2007, 11:07 PM

He gave props to Taylor. . . my point is more directed to certain other boxers who cherry pick opponants and act as if the world owes him the biggest money fights in history. . . should be to hard to pick him out.

Hint:
Hes a yellowbelly coward and her name rhymes with Boyd Dayweather :yep

Lol still hurting over Margo huh? :rofl , talking of your husband hows he doing these days since he's been confined to the trash bin? :lol: ..

and also

Coward = A bitch who talks about someone on the internet but wouldn't dare say shit to their face.

KO Boxing

08-23-2007, 11:08 PM

:lol:

Don't get me wrong, Pavliks great for boxing! (Although i'm not so quick to tip him as the GUARENTEED next middleweight champ, yet).

But going by what the OP was trying to prove... please just take a look at Pavlik's last few fights and Mayweather's... Then have a look at their whole careers.

:patsch

CASH_718

08-23-2007, 11:13 PM

No one wanted to fight him. He's very tall for the weight class, which provides a unique challenge to fighters with their own hopes of being the champ iat his weight. He also had like 90%+ KO rate, incredibly high for the weight class. Then, according to Arum, the big cable networks are racist towards white fighters in general.

But who cares why? It's beside the point now, since he completely dismantled Miranda, who is a better quality fighter than JT IMO.Do yourself a favor and never speak in public again.

CASH_718

08-23-2007, 11:17 PM

Lots of gift decisions and/or overrated fighters and/or unconvincing wins. Miranda would KO JT within 5 rounds.Miranda couldn't KO glass chin Allen Green, Journey men Sam Reese, 6-17-4 Hilario Guzman and nobody Jose Valera.

But he KO's Taylor inside 5 rounds??? The same Taylor that's never been down before in his career??? Yea OK.

jecxbox

08-23-2007, 11:30 PM

I heard from a couple of friends that were at the Cotto/Judah weigh in at MSG..They said Pavlik was there cheering on Miguel Cotto..I guess Pavlik was wearing one of those red Miguel Cotto bandannas rooting him on...Thats pretty awesome if you ask me haha..GO PAVLIK!

CASH_718

08-23-2007, 11:37 PM

aliwasthegreatest

08-24-2007, 12:58 AM

i dunno why but i'm really not a fan of his. i have nothing against him and i wish him the best in his career i'm just not a fan for w/e reason

Lacyace

08-24-2007, 01:02 AM

Just what boxing needs...another hype.

lillarry

08-24-2007, 01:06 AM

Its going to feel so good to here those magical words on the 29th of Sept, "And still the Middleweight Champion of the world":yep

henrik

08-24-2007, 02:16 AM

pavlik is a new hype,overated...and all that crap!!
i like him because his a new name,so give him a chance...i think he will take out taylor!

Rock0052

08-24-2007, 02:42 AM

Miranda is the very definition of an overrated fighter. The rest of Pavlik's wins were against has beens, C and D level fighters, and even a few club fighters. By the way, JT knocked out Marquez, and won clear decisions against Ouma and Joppy.

The irony is that people expected Pavlik to get knocked out by Miranda using the exact same reasoning you're using for the Taylor-Pavlik fight. Well, Miranda had been in with better competition than Pavlik- and look where that got him.

Thom

08-24-2007, 06:21 AM

Wez be needin us a anudder great black hope! All deez white guyz be takin all da belts. Don't dey watch da TV?

Man, considering all the hype Pavlik has received for having one meaningful fight against a completely one dimentional contender, I'd say the only "Hope" in this equation isn't black.

BTW They should sticky the Pavlik threads for the delusional Euros (and Americans) who keep complaining that it's impossible for white fighters to get respect from the majority of American fans.

Thom

08-24-2007, 06:24 AM

No one wanted to fight him. He's very tall for the weight class, which provides a unique challenge to fighters with their own hopes of being the champ iat his weight. He also had like 90%+ KO rate, incredibly high for the weight class. Then, according to Arum, the big cable networks are racist towards white fighters in general.

But who cares why? It's beside the point now, since he completely dismantled Miranda, who is a better quality fighter than JT IMO.
:patsch

Man, do I feel like an ass. If I'd read this post first, I wouldn't have bothered responding to you at all. You have to be trolling.

BigReg

08-24-2007, 10:57 AM

The irony is that people expected Pavlik to get knocked out by Miranda using the exact same reasoning you're using for the Taylor-Pavlik fight. Well, Miranda had been in with better competition than Pavlik- and look where that got him.

You have to read what people write instead of making assumptions. Not once in this thread have I made a prediction as to who is going to win the Taylor/Pavlik fight. Nothing that I wrote even pertained to the fight. The point I was making was that people are saying that Pavlik is great for the sport because he says that he wants to fight the best. However,to date, his resume is filled with bums. Does this mean he can't beat Taylor? Of course not. I was only trying to illustrate that he should start beating good fighters on a consistent basis before people start praising him as some sort of saviour to the sport.

Rock0052

08-24-2007, 04:03 PM

You have to read what people write instead of making assumptions. Not once in this thread have I made a prediction as to who is going to win the Taylor/Pavlik fight. Nothing that I wrote even pertained to the fight. The point I was making was that people are saying that Pavlik is great for the sport because he says that he wants to fight the best. However,to date, his resume is filled with bums. Does this mean he can't beat Taylor? Of course not. I was only trying to illustrate that he should start beating good fighters on a consistent basis before people start praising him as some sort of saviour to the sport.

I'm guilty of jumping prematurely to a conclusion, my bad. The spirit of my post still stands, just don't apply it to your post if the shoe doesn't fit. And, McKart, Zertuche, and Miranda are good fighters- that Pavlik destroyed. Jermain will make Kelly's 4th fight in a row of stepping up the caliber of his opponents, and the caliber's don't come much higher than Taylor- who I respect even though I rag on him from time to time.

He hasn't fought Taylor's level of competition- but he'll remedy that by KO'ing Taylor himself on the 29th. :hey

pipe wrenched

08-24-2007, 05:51 PM

31-0, 28 KO's against some guys that have never been down in their careers before, wind up getting KO'ed by Pavlik isn't hype. He's the real deal. A natural fighter & an intelligent one, too. Its gonna be a great fight...while it lasts.

Great post JetSki, I couldn't agree more. Pavlik has EARNED twice fold every bit of attention he is finally recieving. He has been brought along very well and is now 25 years old with a stellar record and is ready for the big times.:hat

JETSKI

08-24-2007, 07:40 PM

Great post JetSki, I couldn't agree more. Pavlik has EARNED twice fold every bit of attention he is finally recieving. He has been brought along very well and is now 25 years old with a stellar record and is ready for the big times.:hat

:good
Somebody needs to get a thread going for all the ESB guys that are going to the fight in AC. This way, until fightweek gets here, we can constantly hype eachother up until it gets unbearable & we can't absolutely wait for FIGHTNIGHT to come 9-29-07!!!

Ramshall1

08-24-2007, 08:01 PM

People said the same about Taylor before he fought Hopkins.

And he is good for boxing too, look at how many top guys he's facing . . .Hops twice, Winky and now Pavlik. . . sure he had boring fights with Hops and Spinks - but I put most of the blame on Hops and Spinks.

Ramshall1

08-24-2007, 08:06 PM

Good point. Anyone can say in an interview that they want to fight the best and aren't worried about making big money fights. It's another thing to actually do it. Pavlik has padded his record by beating C and D level fighters. When Pavlik starts beating good fighters on a consistent basis, that's when people should be singing his praises. Until then it's just talk

you guys are missing the point, look at Paliks age - he's stepping up at a good time. . . plus he's already beat tough guys like Zertuche and say what you will in hindsight but Miranda was seen as a real threat to any 160-168 fighter and may still be at 168.