View Full Version : PROOF that Jones was 200lbs when fighting Ruiz!
lefthook31
08-23-2007, 09:06 PM
What does this mean? Jones could have schooled Ruiz at 168.
What does this mean? Jones could have schooled Ruiz at 168.
This is for all those haters that claim didn't have to drop that much weight and that he only weighed 193 with clothes on.
Mind Reader
08-23-2007, 09:29 PM
This is for all those haters that claim didn't have to drop that much weight and that he only weighed 193 with clothes on.
I know, how did those idiots come up with that?:patsch
Mind Reader
08-23-2007, 09:35 PM
You don't know anything about body building . The man was fighting at light heavyweight but coming in on fight night weighing 180 -185 . Gaining 15 pounds from training is not 15 pounds of muscle fiber . In short , It's not a big deal ... It effected him in the first fight because he didn't know what he was doing but he had Mackie Shillstone in the second fight and was probably in the best shape of his light heavyweight life when he got KTFO ... Sorry
Body Building and Boxing are different sports there turbo.
Mind Reader
08-23-2007, 09:37 PM
You don't know anything about body building . The man was fighting at light heavyweight but coming in on fight night weighing 180 -185 . Gaining 15 pounds from training is not 15 pounds of muscle fiber . In short , It's not a big deal ... It effected him in the first fight because he didn't know what he was doing but he had Mackie Shillstone in the second fight and was probably in the best shape of his light heavyweight life when he got KTFO ... Sorry
And if you think that was the best shape of his light heavyweight life, I have to disregard your whole post.
BoxingGuru
08-23-2007, 11:01 PM
Who gives a fuck. Everyone knows Roy Jones moved back down to light heavyweight because he was too fucking scared to fight any REAL heavyweights. His mandatory was Vitali Klitschko.
If he'd just admit he was fucking scared and couldn't win against Vitali, people would have WAY more respect for him moving back down and getting KTFO like a moron.
PATSYS
08-23-2007, 11:46 PM
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Watch it all.
So, where did it say he weighed 200 lbs?
BigReg
08-24-2007, 12:12 AM
So, where did it say he weighed 200 lbs?
Go to part 7
PATSYS
08-24-2007, 02:57 AM
Go to part 7 No thanks.
kg0208
08-24-2007, 04:11 AM
No thanks.
Why ask if you don't want to know?
HopkinsFan
08-24-2007, 04:25 AM
On the little doco i watched about his lead-up to the Ruiz fight and that he weighed himself and it was 199 so yeah 200 basically, they got it wrong at the weigh-in the first time around
Mind Reader
08-24-2007, 04:45 AM
He's just using body building as a reference, im not 100% sure anymore but it something like every 1 in 4 pounds is muscle so if that were true he'd have only lost 6 pounds of muscle boy roy obviously didn't add much fat on his way up by staying ripped and i for one think Roy shouldve retired on that night.
I know he was using it as a reference, I was just being a smart ass. But the numbers he was using and what you are using are different in every human. Nothing is set really, some loose weight easy, some its really hard. Claiming to know about body building has nothing to do with boxing.
Mind Reader
08-24-2007, 04:48 AM
Why you fucking moron ? He had Mackie Shillstone training him and I can guarantee Mackie had him in the best shape possible at 175 . You could see he looked great in the first round before he got KTFO !
I don't care who trained him...... It was easy to see that he was not as fast or near as powerful...... The weight he lost still effects him to this day!:yep
Mind Reader
08-24-2007, 05:06 AM
Well, dropping pounds of muscle like that leaves you in an over-trained state, so whether he came down healthily, there was no way he was optimum for facing Tarver.
Roy's dodgy chin followed that because his body lost its robustness and, with it, his punch resistance.
Roy's chin was above par in my books.... It was tested plenty in his prime... He got hit and took it well...Even after his prime, (the Ruiz fight I include as after his prime) Ive watched every Roy fight since he was robbed in the Olympics.... Ive seen him hit hard many times.
Mind Reader
08-24-2007, 05:13 AM
Well, dropping pounds of muscle like that leaves you in an over-trained state, so whether he came down healthily, there was no way he was optimum for facing Tarver.
Roy's dodgy chin followed that because his body lost its robustness and, with it, his punch resistance.
I do agree with you though, his chin went downhilll with his speed and reflexes.... Though he was not in the best shape of his LHW carrer in the second Tarver fight no way, anyone should be able to see that.
Stewbear
08-24-2007, 06:23 AM
Well its his fault for putting on that muscle just to fight Ruiz!!
Good God that Mackie Shilstone is annoying.
KO Boxing
08-24-2007, 08:32 AM
On fight night Jones weighted in the late 180s many times, on the scales for Ruiz he was 192, this is not rocket science, boxers cut weight all the time for weigh ins, Jones did not have to cut for HW thats all.. a little luxury, not losing great amounts of mass or other such BS
The real reaosn for Jones decline is that Balco was recognised as a new steroid and Vegas bergan testing , so Jones could not use it anymore, therefore the sudden and dramatic downfall in skills speed etc etc etc
:-(
achillesthegreat
08-24-2007, 08:53 AM
The numbers mean nothing. Use your eyes. Roy clearly puts on a substantial amount of muscle and clearly looks drained and performs like a different fighter.
goldnarms
08-24-2007, 09:57 AM
While undoubtedly, Roy did use steroids of some description, his punch resistance shouldn't have been affected to such a degree. He did have a decent chin before.
Your contention is erroneous: look at the difference in size between him at HW and LHW. Look at how different his reflexes looked as he came back down and how shot his legs were.
One reason he looked slower is because he was facing relatively quicker fighters. You go from fighting Ruiz to Tarver you are going to look slower.
The weight loss issue for Roy is simply a matter of steroids. It doesn't take some grand trainer to get him to lose muscle. He just stops taking the roids or switch the type he's taking and he will lose weight. Roy's joints are tiny and its obvious he's not going to hold a lot of mass naturally. If anything the weight loss is simply returning him to his more natural state as opposed to an example of physical duress.
The numbers mean nothing. Use your eyes. Roy clearly puts on a substantial amount of muscle and clearly looks drained and performs like a different fighter.
Exactly. Just look at the heavyweight Jones Jr. He was huge and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the cut down in weight back to 175 affected him.
Tarver is a good fighter, underrated but not much better than the fighters that Jones was consistently taking to school, Hall, Hill, Woods, Gonzalez, Harmon, Harding etc. Stylistically though I'd say he matches up better against Jones than those other guys.
The Tarver I was one if Jones' better win in a weakened state.
Tuavale
08-24-2007, 11:41 AM
How does that video prove Jones weighed 200 pounds?? One thing is sure is that was Jones' last good fight. He's been diminished since then, probably accelerated by the drastic weight loss for the 1st Tarver fight. He should have retired after he beat Ruiz or stayed at heavyweight. Now he's mucking through ordinary fighters on a path that leads no where good. :smoke :dead
PH|LLA
08-24-2007, 11:42 AM
stop making excuses
Stewbear
08-24-2007, 11:47 AM
Where is the weigh in?
Is this just pushing the argument he was weight drained gainst Tarver...
was he weight drained the second fight too then?
Jones had shit punch resistance, I wouldnt even say chin because he got knocked out by punches to the earlobe:lol:
scurlaruntings
08-24-2007, 11:55 AM
Strange his punch resistance only told after the Ruiz fight.Wonder what happened to his punch resistance before that fight.. I dont know why you guys make such lame excuses and cling to such whack job stories. Anyone with half a brain cell knows that cutting 25lbs to make weight bearing in mind Jones consititution is a dam good one would be detrimental on his ring performance.Guess most of you dont even work out to even know..
Roy had plenty of time to adjust to going back to 175 it is just an excuse. Why did he not stay at Heavyweight and fight some of the smaller guys like Chris Byrd? Because his chin is terrible and he knew this and he would have got KOed.
Why did Roy stay at 175 if it was so hard and he would be weight drained? Why is Roy fighting now at 170 against Tito if it is so hard? Roy is full of excuses because he has a Glass Jaw end of story.
How does that video prove Jones weighed 200 pounds?? One thing is sure is that was Jones' last good fight. He's been diminished since then, probably accelerated by the drastic weight loss for the 1st Tarver fight. He should have retired after he beat Ruiz or stayed at heavyweight. Now he's mucking through ordinary fighters on a path that leads no where good. :smoke :dead
John Ruiz is terrible. How would Glass Jaw Roy have looked against any of the other beltholders at the time? He handpicked John Ruiz. Ruiz also lost to James Toney another former Middleweight. Ruiz was a joke.
Tuavale
08-24-2007, 12:07 PM
John Ruiz is terrible. How would Glass Jaw Roy have looked against any of the other beltholders at the time? He handpicked John Ruiz. Ruiz also lost to James Toney another former Middleweight. Ruiz was a joke.
Yeah, Jones did avoid some guys, even in his prime. Still, he was an incredible specimen when he reigned at 168. Once he moved up, he began looking more human and now he's quite vulnerable.
So do you think the man has looked awful in every fight since Ruiz or not??
As or staying at heavy , you may have had a good point but you used Byrd as an example , which was terrible on your part. I think we can all agree that Tarver for example hits harder than byrd in the ring. Due to Byrds movemnets and pawing style.
he has looked bad since Tarver II because now he is afraid to have his Glass Jaw punched. If "weight drain" is an issue, why fight Tito at 170? It is just a bunch of excuses by Jones and his nuthuggers to cover up the fact his chin is terrible.
Shotgun
08-24-2007, 12:43 PM
The weight drain explanation would make a lot more sense if he'd been KTFO by Tarver in the first fight. That's when he was complaining about the struggles making weight
The second fight where he got KTFO took place over a year after Jones had fought Ruiz, 6 months after he'd fought Tarver at 175 the first time. He said he made weight without a struggle that time and for that reason both Jones and his fans were going on and on about how he was going to teach Tarver a lesson, now that Roy didn't have to kill himself to make 175 he was going to kick Tarver's ass. That's why before the fight Tarver asked him if he had any excuses tonight. Then he got KTFO and suddenly the weight drain explanation came back into play.
He was never a risk taker in the ring against quality opposition but after he got starched by Tarver he was totally gun shy and lost all his confidence. If making 175 was such a killer then why has he continued to fight there? Why is he now fighting at 170 and has run his mouth about fighting Calzaghe at 168?
klion22
08-24-2007, 12:45 PM
I think the fact that he had to lose all that weigh at his age is what really messed up his body. He was 200 lbs of all muscle. It wasn't like he was sweating down from excess fat. It was pure muscle and i think that permanently messed with his reflexes and timing.
He should've stayed at HW IMO.
My fault I put the wrong youtube link. Check out the video now.
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Mind Reader
08-24-2007, 09:22 PM
John Ruiz is terrible. How would Glass Jaw Roy have looked against any of the other beltholders at the time? He handpicked John Ruiz. Ruiz also lost to James Toney another former Middleweight. Ruiz was a joke.
Dude, Ruiz holds wins over Holyfield, Golota, Rahman, Johnson and fought hard againts Valuev and Chagaev. Not a bad man for Roy to take on being as how he used to be a middle weight and gave up alot of size against Ruiz... Roy dominated him. I know it hurts you to think about it, you proably cried when Roy won. Cut the man a little credit dude, the only joke is you my friend.:lol:
Imperial1
08-24-2007, 11:04 PM
I thought he was 199 for the Ruiz fight :lol:
Mind Reader
08-24-2007, 11:16 PM
Don't defend Ruiz ! Everybody knows he was the worst heavyweight champ in history . I don't care who he bear hugged his way to a win over . In fact I'm putting up a poll !
Put up a pole I don't care.... Don't listen to facts and just keep on hating.
Mind Reader
08-25-2007, 12:12 AM
Don't defend Ruiz ! Everybody knows he was the worst heavyweight champ in history . I don't care who he bear hugged his way to a win over . In fact I'm putting up a poll !
Just thought I would clue you guys in on the kind of fighters that joke holds wins over.:hi: How's the poll goin?
Beebs
08-25-2007, 05:22 AM
Who cares, thats a fully Hydrated 200lbs, if you can't cut at least 15lbs of water at 200 lbs, you aren't a profesional. Fucking lightweights can, and do, cut that.
Who cares, thats a fully Hydrated 200lbs, if you can't cut at least 15lbs of water at 200 lbs, you aren't a profesional. Fucking lightweights can, and do, cut that.
Yes cause everyone can cut 15lbs. :patsch
Beebs
08-25-2007, 06:22 PM
Yes cause everyone can cut 15lbs. :patsch
Fucking yes, everybody can, fucking highschool wrestlers do it, shit I've seen a kid go from 150 to 132 in a day for a college match while still going to all his classes that day.
Do you even understand how weighins work? You understand that at any weight below heavy 90% fighters are coming in to the fight at at least, at least 10 pounds over what they weighed in and thats for the lower weight classes. Do you think Tommy Hearns was weighing 147 when he was in the ring? Do you think Cotto was anywhere close to 140 when he was in the ring at jr welter?
Have you ever had to make weight for anything? If you had you would understand
Fucking yes, everybody can, fucking highschool wrestlers do it, shit I've seen a kid go from 150 to 132 in a day for a college match while still going to all his classes that day.
Do you even understand how weighins work? You understand that at any weight below heavy 90% fighters are coming in to the fight at at least, at least 10 pounds over what they weighed in and thats for the lower weight classes. Do you think Tommy Hearns was weighing 147 when he was in the ring? Do you think Cotto was anywhere close to 140 when he was in the ring at jr welter?
Have you ever had to make weight for anything? If you had you would understand
Im sorry but not everyone in the world can easily cut 15 lbs like that, and even if most can, 50% of them arn't going to be 100% the next day.
Beebs
08-26-2007, 04:10 AM
Im sorry but not everyone in the world can easily cut 15 lbs like that, and even if most can, 50% of them arn't going to be 100% the next day.
What do you think Jones was doing to make 160?
maciek4
08-26-2007, 04:16 AM
Ruiz was in the best shape of his career for this fight.
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