Did Holyfield beat Lewis in their 2nd fight? Round by Round Breakdown

[streetsaresafer]

I just watched Holyfield/Lewis II again. I scored it 6-5, 1 even for Holyfield tonight (115-114). This is interesting because the 1st 2 times I scored the fight, I scored it 8-4 for Lewis, 116-112. But I think I may be seeing what Burt Sugar, Larry Holmes, Michael Moorer, and several ringside journalists apparently saw - which was a close win for Evander. For the record, Lewis was most certainly jobbed in their 1st fight - I scored the first fight 9-3 for Lewis if I remember correctly.

Holyfield/Lewis II is a tough fight to score. Specifically, rounds 5, 8, and 9 are brutally tough rounds to score that really could be scored either way. Round 1 is close as well. I watched several of these rounds multiple times, I played back some of the exchanges, I even watched a couple of the close rounds with the sound off just to see how that affected things. Very difficult fight to score. Holyfield certainly doesn't get dominated like he did in the first fight.

I lean toward Holyfield ever so slightly in the fight because he seems to be the effective aggressor, he is the one coming forward, landing the more telling blows, and Lewis is far less accurate, particuarly with his jab, in the 2nd fight than he was in the 1st fight. Holyfield's jab seems far more effective, and he lands several good left hooks in the fight. I like Lewis's body attack in this fight, and he has some beautiful uppercuts, particuarly in round 9. But again I scored it for Holyfield by a point this time.

Here is my round by round breakdown from my most recent viewing tonight.

Round 1 - Holyfield
Lewis lands a good jab flush and a decent 1-2 in the first minute. Holyfield lands a decent jab to Lewis chest. Halfway through the round Holyfield whacks Lewis to the side of the head 3 times. Lewis uppercut misses on Holyfield's right glove though the announcers say it hit Holyfield. With 45 seconds to go in the round Holyfield lands a nice 2 punch combo on the inside and then they clinch (ref Halpern makes it tough to see it though). Holyfield again jabs to the chest. Again evident that Holyfield's jab is more effective, at least in this round. Holyfield is the one pushing the fight, coming forward, trying to engage. I know scoring round 1 this way might be controversial since all 3 judges gave it to Lewis, but honestly everytime I have watched this fight I have given round 1 to Holyfield - even the first 2 times where I scored the fight 8-4 Lewis I still gave round 1 to Holyfield. Again the key here is that Holyfield is the effective aggressor in the round.

Round 2 - Lewis
Clear round for Lewis. Goods jabs and a good uppercut in the first minute by Lewis. Holyfield not punching much here. Lewis the aggressor in the round, unlike round 1. Good jab and uppercuts again by Lewis. Good jabs by Holyfield to the body, and a pretty good left hook to Lewis's body. Good 1-2 by Lewis. Decent left hook. Good round for Lewis - clearly his round, Lewis's jab was much more effective here and he landed those uppercuts.

Round 3 - Holyfield
Lewis missing a lot of punches initially. But good jab and uppercuts again 40 seconds into the round by Lewis. Good triple jab by Holyfield halfway through. Decent jabs by Lewis. Slight edge to Lewis so far in the round. Excellent overhand right by Holyfield, biggest flush shot in the round so far. Holyfield whacks Lewis a couple times at the end of the round. I gave the round to Evander due to the quality of his punches. Again a close round though. But Holyfield had the more telling blows and was more the aggressor in round 3.

Round 4 - Lewis
Neither one landing really anything in the first 35 seconds. Holyfield lands a good counter right hand. A couple of jabs by Lewis. Nice jab by Lewis 1 minute 20 seconds in. Some more solid jabs by Lewis. Good right hand by Lewis near the end of the round.

Round 5 - Even
Not a big round for Lewis like Lampley says it is (I like Lampley but I disagree with him about this round). Great left hook by Holyfield, maybe the most flush shot in the fight. Right right hand by Lewis but doesn't land flush despite Lampley's insistence "a big right hand." Holyfield comes back with a left hook. Lewis lands another good right hand. Uppercut, some jabs by Lewis. Decent left hook by Holyfield. Holyfield comes back with a left to the body. Good jab by Holyfield. Holyfield coming forward. Good left to the body by Holyfield. I scored it an even round, Lewis threw more punches but Holyfield was the aggressor in the round going after Lewis and had the best punch in the round early in the round. Very close round though. Even round.

Round 6 - Holyfield
Good, effective jabs by Holyfield. Much more active than Lewis at this point. Lewis gets in an uppercut. But good left to the head by Evander. 1-2combo by Lewis. Right hand by Lewis. Holyfield clearly the aggressor in the round so far. Attempted some big looping overhand rights that missed but still hitting his jabs. Not much activity from Lewis here. More good jab work by Holyfield. Good round for the Real Deal.

Round 7 - Holyfield
I wish more of their rounds was like this one. Best round of their 2 fights. Lewis nice combinations to start out. Uppercut by Lewis. Strong left hook by Holyfield. Holyfield goes to the body. Lewis seems a bit rattled, perhaps hurt some by the left hook earlier. Lewis clinching. Good body shots by Holyfield. Great left hook by Holyfield, snapped Lewis's head back. Good right hand by Lewis. Strong right hand by Lewis. Great round. But Holyfield landed the more telling blows in this round. The short left hook bothered Lewis, and the left hook later on scored big too. Holyfield's round.

Round 8 - Holyfield
Right hand by Lewis. Good jabs by Holyfield. Not much happening though. Good left hook by Holyfield, backing Lewis up, best punch of the round by far. Lewis goes to the body some. Lewis seems a bit lazy here with his hands down. A couple jabs for Lewis. Both get a couple jabs to the body. Good jab by Holyfield. Solid uppercut by Lewis but not flush. Good left hook by Holyfield. Both trying to flurry at the end of the round. Amazingly close round, perhaps the closest of the fight, but I gave it to Holyfield because he landed the best punch of the round, the left hook 1 minute in, and he closed the round nicely with another left hook and then a right hand.

Round 9 - Lewis
Holyfield outjabbing Lewis to start the round. Good loopoing overhand right by Holyfield. Strong beginning by Holyfield in the first minute. Body shots by Lewis. Lots of clinching now. Good triple jab by Holyfield. Holyfield has won the first 2 minutes of the round. Another good left hook to the body by Lewis. Both going at it. Great uppercut by Lewis. Good combinations by Lewis. Lewis scoring some more. I like that they are both going after each other again, ala round 7. Holyfield flurries a bit at the end. I like the aggression both showed in the round. Another close round, I gave it to Lewis due to the uppercut being the best punch of the round. Could see this round being scored either way. Giampa scored it for Holyfield, and the other 2 scored it for Lewis.

Round 10 - Lewis
Some decent jabs by Lewis. Good 1-2 by Lewis. Holyfield trying to establish his jab some. Body punches by Lewis. Holyfield not punching much this round. Missing some. Good counter combo by Lewis. Another good combo punctuated by a good uppercut by Lewis. Two more good body shots by Lewis. Good left hook by Lewis. Lewis looking great this round. Lots of clean shots landed. More body shots by Lewis. Great round for Lewis. Scored a lot shots, and didn't get hit much.

Round 11 - Lewis
Good jabs by Lewis. Holyfield with a couple of rights. Good left by Holyfield. Both jabbing. Left hook by Lewis. More jabs from Lewis. Top notch left hook by Holyfield, best punch of the round so far. Good body shot by Holyfield. Lewis counters with a good body shot. Holyfield lands a very good counter right hand. Good combo by Lewis. Another combo by Lewis.
I gave the round to Lewis because he was busier.

Round 12 - Holyfield
Great combination upstairs by Evander on Lewis. Holyfield lands some body shots on Lewis. Holyfield the agressor in this round so far. Left uppercut by Holyfield. More body attack by Commander Vander. Some jabs by Lewis. Not much activity from Lewis in this round so far. Another combo by Holyfield. Holyfield still going to the body. Solid right hand by Lewis. Clear round for Holyfield though, effective aggressor through out the round.

So Holyfield takes it 115-114. 6 rounds to 5, 1 even.

Thoughts? I must say I am surprised on how my opinion has changed on this fight. I scored it 8-4 for Lewis the first 2 times I scored the fight, but now these last 2 times I seem to think Holyfield takes it ever so slightly. I know most will say Lewis won a close but clear decision, and I have no problem with that as I have scored this fight for him before.

The next time I watch it, I may see Lewis as the winner again.

But right now, Holyfield is my winner for their 2nd fight.

[streetsaresafer]

I find it hard to believe that the 1st fight could be a draw. I had Lewis taking it clearly, 9 rounds to 3. Lewis dominates the first fight with his jab, and Holyfield just does not punch nearly enough. He had a good round 3, and a couple other rounds but to me the first fight was controlled/dominated by Lewis.

I have mad respect for Mercante though because he scored Ali-Frazier I the same score I did - 8 rounds to 6, 1 even for Joe Frazier.

But the 2nd fight is the real tight one though. Right now I think Holyfield took it. I will be interested to see people's responses because I have heard people say "anyone who says Holyfield won the 2nd fight can't point out the rounds he won." Well I just did that, as objectively and accurately as possible. I think one can make a good argument for both fighters taking a close decision.

[gold_gloves]

nice work

[Shamrock]

That's his way of scoring a fight, but how anyone could say the first fight was a draw is beyond me. It was clear that Lewis dominated throughout the round each time. You could give Evander two-three rounds at most.

You would have to looking exclusively for Evander's best work and ignoring what Lennox was doing.

JLC, you're an ass and a troll.

OK, thats it! You're Banned!! And your vote is deleted!!! :deal

[Shamrock]

And this a Lewis nuthuggars site. Forget the poll!!! :think :yep

[Drexl]

I must say I am surprised on how my opinion has changed on this fight. I scored it 8-4 for Lewis the first 2 times I scored the fight, but now these last 2 times I seem to think Holyfield takes it ever so slightly. I know most will say Lewis won a close but clear decision, and I have no problem with that as I have scored this fight for him before..

So what changed between the first 2 times and this one? I score it the same every time I watch it, as I do for most fights.

This flip-flopping just makes it look like you don't really know how to score a fight properly.

[Drexl]

And this a Lewis nuthuggars site. Forget the poll!!! :think :yep

Yeah, right. :roll:

If thepoll came ou the other way, would you be saying it's a Holyfield nuthuggers site?

Lewis is one of the most disliked champions of recent history. Here and everywhere else.

[DamonD]

I agree with most of your card, except for rounds 1, 3, 5, and 8.

Round 1 - It was Holyfield's jabs against Lewis's uppercuts and hooks. While Holyfield moved forward more, both guys landed the same number of shots and Lewis was busier. I say Lewis. I was a quiet start for both guys though, which makes it open to doubt in terms of scoring.

Round 3 - The crowd scream their nuts off for Holyfield in the last 30 seconds as he opens up, but most of his shots are hitting nothing but air. Considering the previous 2m30 had been spent with him trundling after Lewis taking jabs and hooks, I'm not going to award Holy this round based on effective aggression, he didn't do enough for four-fifths of the round so I give it to Lewis.

Round 5 - I think Holyfield did enough to win this round. Lampley is wrong when he says "big round for Lewis", while Lewis manages to get in a few decent whacks so does Holyfield and the headbutt/over the ropes incident suggested he had gotten under Lewis's skin. So I say Holyfield here, he opened and closed well. I've seen plenty give this to Lewis, but I disagree.

Round 8 - Couldn't disagree more, Lewis's round. Just when Holyfield had turned up the heat he is unable to capitalise on it. He goes out for a big attack to begin with, but when that fizzles out he again is too often caught on the end of jabs. Also notable is that Lewis begins attacking to the body, which seems to slow Holyfield's offense down. While Lewis was able to maintain his workrate from the previous round, Holyfield's drops off notably and this for me was key to the fight. Lewis.


Thank you very much for putting up your scorecard, and such a detailed one too!
Nice to see someone doing so, 99% of the time it just goes all quiet on the Western Front when people are asked to produced a scorecard showing a Holyfield victory.

[PATSYS]

I had the 1st fight 10 - 2 for Lewis.

The 2nd fight I had 7-5 for Lewis.

[LeedsLad]

Legendary Hall of Fame referee and judge Arthur Mercante who was a scoring referee in Ali vs Frazier (1) "FIGHT OF THE CENTURY" says the correct way to score a prizefight is to break the round down into 3 seperate minutes... fighter A can boss the first 2 minutes of a round and fighter B land several flurries and combinations in the last minute of the round but you have to score that round for fighter A .... using Mercante`s method of scoring Lewis vs Holyfield (1) & (2) ..... !st fight is a DRAW 6rds each .... 2nd fight Holyfield wins 8-4

You scored the first fight a draw??:lol::lol: You are a douche. I know defense is one of the criterias when scoring, but blocking punches with your head doesnt count...

[Boro chris]

You scored the first fight a draw??:lol::lol: You are a douche. I know defense is one of the criterias when scoring, but blocking punches with your head doesnt count...

I'm begining to suspect that JLC is a wind up merchant.:lol:

[LeedsLad]

yes i scored the 1st fight a Draw... so did the 3 experianced judges..... how many fights in Vegas have you been asigned by the boxing commision to score ? ....
Talk about double standards, 3 experienced judges scored the second Holy-Lewis fight in Lewis's favour.. doesnt stop you bitching about it, i bet you cry yourself to sleep every night over it:lol:

[Drexl]

yes i scored the 1st fight a Draw... so did the 3 experianced judges..... how many fights in Vegas have you been asigned by the boxing commision to score ? ....

No, only ONE of the judges scored it a draw.

Stanley Christoudoulou scored for Lewis 116-113
Eugenia Williams scored for Holyfield 115-113 (the only American judge of the 3, and one of the most incompetant judges in the sport)
Larry O'Connor called the fight a 115-115 draw.

The Associated Press scored it 117-111 for Lewis.


In Round 4, Holyfield was outpunched by Lewis 23-9. Judge Williams gave the round to Holyfield.

In Round 5, perhaps the best round for Lewis in the fight, a round where he wobbled Holyfield, the punch count was 43-11. Judge O'Connell gave Holyfield the round.

O'Connell then scored the seventh round a draw, while the other two judges saw Lewis the winner. In Round 7, Holyfield attempted some rope-a-dope strategy, wrestled Lewis to the ground, but barely fought back. It was a dull round, but clearly it was Lewis' dull round. Lewis outpunched Holyfield 33-8.

[markclow]

JLC:

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[Vanboxingfan]

I scored the first fight 9-3 for Lewis and the second one 8-4 for Lewis although if I try giving Holyfield the benefit of the doubt I can get to 7-5 for Lewis but even trying to help Holyfield out by giving him close rounds can't get me to a Holyfield tie, nevermind a win. And even though I haven't watched or scored this fight for about a year now, I don't recall it being a difficult fight to score. There were maybe 3 rounds that were close, otherwise I thought one or the other fighter won a particular round fairly convincingly.

[Drexl]

Larry O`connell one of the most experianced judges in british boxing history and friend of Lewis marked it a draw and to this day he still says he could not have scored it any differantly.... i agree with O`Connell in that the fight was a draw i had Holyfield winning the return 8-4


`I erred in my scoring,' admits fight's British judge


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8-4 in the rematch??

HOW??

[Vanboxingfan]

`I erred in my scoring,' admits fight's British judge


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8-4 in the rematch??

HOW??

Anyone who scored the second Holyfield fight 8-4 for holyfield is a joke, plain and simple.

[Thread Stealer]

I had the gay Rasta Imposta ahead 115-113 against the steroid-filled baby creator.

[Shamrock]

I had the 1st fight 10 - 2 for Lewis.

The 2nd fight I had 7-5 for Lewis.


Of course you did Patsy :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl :rofl

[bill poster]

Lewis didnt win the second fight imo

[streetsaresafer]

The tough thing is there are so many close rounds - 1, 3, 5, 8, and even 9 to a degree are close.

Round 3 is Holyfield's because Lewis's work up until Holyfield lands that good shot was pretty inconsequential. I still like round 1 for Holyfield - neither guy was particuarly effective but I thought Holyfield was the aggressor in the round more so. Round 5 I scored even, and this was the round I played back the most and I thought it was too close to call. I gave round 8 to Holyfield because I didn't think either man was that impressive in the round, but again I favored Holyfield due to being the effective agressor. Close round though. I can even score round 9 for Holyfield like Giampa did based on the fact that he clearly won the first 2 minutes of the round in my book. I gave it to Lewis though because of quality over quantity again. His uppercuts and combination punching in the last minute was pretty impressive. But I could see round 9 scored even.

Lewis clearly won rounds 2, 4, and 10.
I think Holyfield clearly won rounds 6, 7, and 12.
So half of the rounds are abundantly clear to me. That leaves the other 6 rounds which are much closer at the margins. And to a certain extent, it depends on what you value as a judge.

Again I seemed to be more impressed this most recent time with Evander pushing the fight, having the more effective jab, landing some good left hooks than I was with Lewis. Lewis seemed largely ineffective with his jab in several of the rounds, and though he was throwing more punches than Holyfield in some of the rounds, I thought a lot of his 'work' was largely ineffective. Quality over quantity I guess. I did like Lewis's work to the body, and he threw some great uppercuts, particularly in round 9.

But again, a very close fight and I have certainly can understand those that scored it for Lewis.

In terms of accounting for the scoring difference, the first time I watched the fight I had just watched their first fight right before. So it is possible I was influenced initially by the fact that Lewis was so clearly robbed in the first fight. The reason I revisited the fight is when they had Classic Ringside on Holyfield and you had guys like Burt Sugar and Michael Moorer suggesting that Holyfield won the 2nd fight. That had me intrigued as I remember scoring it for Lewis 8-4. And then joining this site and then finding that there were some other people who had scored it for Holyfield.

[Zakman]

And this a Lewis nuthuggars site. Forget the poll!!! :think :yep

That it is. As this poll, and every other Holyfield-Lewis poll I've ever seen on this site. As has been demonstrated around here time and time again, Holyfield is grossly underrated, Lewis incredibly overrated.

Can't be the best of the era when you get starched twice by second-raters. No how, no way!:-(

[streetsaresafer]

Yeah it is hard not to notice the large contingent of Lewis fans.

I like Lewis. He had an impressive career. But I can't get past the fact that he seemed overly cautious at times, which was a shame considering his physical talent. It just seemed he was too often satisfied to win a decision on pts.

Lewis was most certainly an ATG heavy, but I think having him in the top 5 is too high.

As much as I love the late 80s, early 90s heavies (Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis) I don't think any of them can get in the top 5 (Head to Head is a different story perhaps). Had they all fought each other in their primes I think they could have. But really only Bowe-Holyfield I and II were fights where I'd call both fighters prime. It's a shame.

For me, Holyfield is the best heavyweight post Holmes. His impressive wins over Dokes, Douglas and Foreman in the early 90s. His rematch win over Bowe. A good win over Mercer. The 2 wins over a still formidable Tyson (though not prime). And an impressive win over Moorer in their rematch (great fight by the way). And just recently, I think he beat Lewis by a hair in their rematch. Given that he was 37 at the time of their rematch, that says a lot. I think a prime Holyfield would outwork a prime Lewis.

Lewis had the impressive destruction of Razor Rudduck. A good comeback win over Bruno. The McCall loss hurt. But once Manny Steward got a hold of him he went from a very good heavweight to a great one. Enjoyed him outslugging Mercer to a win. Obviously he had the clear dominant win over Holyfield in their first fight (thanks to his jab). And his rematch win over Rahman was done right. Clear, dominating win over Tua as well. Though he was behind on pts to Vitali, his punch did cause the cut so you have to give him credit there as well.

Lewis's strike against him are the 1 punch knockout losses to 2nd tier heavies - McCall and Rahman. Holyfield's strike against him is his inconsistency at times - i.e. losing a close fight to Moorer in 94. Looking meh against Czyz and V. Bean.

So while an agrument can be made for either man, Holyfield's win over Bowe in the rematch is better than any win Lewis had in his career. And Holyfield beating Tyson in 96 was as good a win as any of Lewis's best wins.

I think Holyfield in his prime (89-93, Dokes fight through Bowe II) was overall a better fighter than Lewis in his prime (95-01, Morrison through Rahman II).

This article summarizes Holyfield and Lewis nicely
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[Drexl]

yes is a well known fact that he is as bent as a hook

Yes. The fact that he has a wife and child proves it. :roll:

[Drexl]

Can't be the best of the era when you get starched twice by second-raters. No how, no way!:-(
Hmm... tell me, exactly who is regarded as the best of the current era?

:think



I think you can see where I'm going with this...




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[ThePlugInBabies]

Man, I had no idea this forum was full of so much British trash.

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[ThePlugInBabies]

Brush your teeth

bad teeth = myth

and stop screwing your cousins first.

american past time, nothing to do with us :yep

[C Money]

Holyfield was destroyed in the first and clearly beaten in the second.
There is no controversey, was no controversey, and God didnt tell me to write this post:lol:

This seems just some desperate attempt to stir up doo doo:yep

[C.J.Rock]

I just watched Holyfield/Lewis II again. I scored it 6-5, 1 even for Holyfield tonight (115-114). This is interesting because the 1st 2 times I scored the fight, I scored it 8-4 for Lewis, 116-112. But I think I may be seeing what Burt Sugar, Larry Holmes, Michael Moorer, and several ringside journalists apparently saw - which was a close win for Evander. For the record, Lewis was most certainly jobbed in their 1st fight - I scored the first fight 9-3 for Lewis if I remember correctly.

Holyfield/Lewis II is a tough fight to score. Specifically, rounds 5, 8, and 9 are brutally tough rounds to score that really could be scored either way. Round 1 is close as well. I watched several of these rounds multiple times, I played back some of the exchanges, I even watched a couple of the close rounds with the sound off just to see how that affected things. Very difficult fight to score. Holyfield certainly doesn't get dominated like he did in the first fight.

I lean toward Holyfield ever so slightly in the fight because he seems to be the effective aggressor, he is the one coming forward, landing the more telling blows, and Lewis is far less accurate, particuarly with his jab, in the 2nd fight than he was in the 1st fight. Holyfield's jab seems far more effective, and he lands several good left hooks in the fight. I like Lewis's body attack in this fight, and he has some beautiful uppercuts, particuarly in round 9. But again I scored it for Holyfield by a point this time.

Here is my round by round breakdown from my most recent viewing tonight.

Round 1 - Holyfield
Lewis lands a good jab flush and a decent 1-2 in the first minute. Holyfield lands a decent jab to Lewis chest. Halfway through the round Holyfield whacks Lewis to the side of the head 3 times. Lewis uppercut misses on Holyfield's right glove though the announcers say it hit Holyfield. With 45 seconds to go in the round Holyfield lands a nice 2 punch combo on the inside and then they clinch (ref Halpern makes it tough to see it though). Holyfield again jabs to the chest. Again evident that Holyfield's jab is more effective, at least in this round. Holyfield is the one pushing the fight, coming forward, trying to engage. I know scoring round 1 this way might be controversial since all 3 judges gave it to Lewis, but honestly everytime I have watched this fight I have given round 1 to Holyfield - even the first 2 times where I scored the fight 8-4 Lewis I still gave round 1 to Holyfield. Again the key here is that Holyfield is the effective aggressor in the round.

Round 2 - Lewis
Clear round for Lewis. Goods jabs and a good uppercut in the first minute by Lewis. Holyfield not punching much here. Lewis the aggressor in the round, unlike round 1. Good jab and uppercuts again by Lewis. Good jabs by Holyfield to the body, and a pretty good left hook to Lewis's body. Good 1-2 by Lewis. Decent left hook. Good round for Lewis - clearly his round, Lewis's jab was much more effective here and he landed those uppercuts.

Round 3 - Holyfield
Lewis missing a lot of punches initially. But good jab and uppercuts again 40 seconds into the round by Lewis. Good triple jab by Holyfield halfway through. Decent jabs by Lewis. Slight edge to Lewis so far in the round. Excellent overhand right by Holyfield, biggest flush shot in the round so far. Holyfield whacks Lewis a couple times at the end of the round. I gave the round to Evander due to the quality of his punches. Again a close round though. But Holyfield had the more telling blows and was more the aggressor in round 3.

Round 4 - Lewis
Neither one landing really anything in the first 35 seconds. Holyfield lands a good counter right hand. A couple of jabs by Lewis. Nice jab by Lewis 1 minute 20 seconds in. Some more solid jabs by Lewis. Good right hand by Lewis near the end of the round.

Round 5 - Even
Not a big round for Lewis like Lampley says it is (I like Lampley but I disagree with him about this round). Great left hook by Holyfield, maybe the most flush shot in the fight. Right right hand by Lewis but doesn't land flush despite Lampley's insistence "a big right hand." Holyfield comes back with a left hook. Lewis lands another good right hand. Uppercut, some jabs by Lewis. Decent left hook by Holyfield. Holyfield comes back with a left to the body. Good jab by Holyfield. Holyfield coming forward. Good left to the body by Holyfield. I scored it an even round, Lewis threw more punches but Holyfield was the aggressor in the round going after Lewis and had the best punch in the round early in the round. Very close round though. Even round.

Round 6 - Holyfield
Good, effective jabs by Holyfield. Much more active than Lewis at this point. Lewis gets in an uppercut. But good left to the head by Evander. 1-2combo by Lewis. Right hand by Lewis. Holyfield clearly the aggressor in the round so far. Attempted some big looping overhand rights that missed but still hitting his jabs. Not much activity from Lewis here. More good jab work by Holyfield. Good round for the Real Deal.

Round 7 - Holyfield
I wish more of their rounds was like this one. Best round of their 2 fights. Lewis nice combinations to start out. Uppercut by Lewis. Strong left hook by Holyfield. Holyfield goes to the body. Lewis seems a bit rattled, perhaps hurt some by the left hook earlier. Lewis clinching. Good body shots by Holyfield. Great left hook by Holyfield, snapped Lewis's head back. Good right hand by Lewis. Strong right hand by Lewis. Great round. But Holyfield landed the more telling blows in this round. The short left hook bothered Lewis, and the left hook later on scored big too. Holyfield's round.

Round 8 - Holyfield
Right hand by Lewis. Good jabs by Holyfield. Not much happening though. Good left hook by Holyfield, backing Lewis up, best punch of the round by far. Lewis goes to the body some. Lewis seems a bit lazy here with his hands down. A couple jabs for Lewis. Both get a couple jabs to the body. Good jab by Holyfield. Solid uppercut by Lewis but not flush. Good left hook by Holyfield. Both trying to flurry at the end of the round. Amazingly close round, perhaps the closest of the fight, but I gave it to Holyfield because he landed the best punch of the round, the left hook 1 minute in, and he closed the round nicely with another left hook and then a right hand.

Round 9 - Lewis
Holyfield outjabbing Lewis to start the round. Good loopoing overhand right by Holyfield. Strong beginning by Holyfield in the first minute. Body shots by Lewis. Lots of clinching now. Good triple jab by Holyfield. Holyfield has won the first 2 minutes of the round. Another good left hook to the body by Lewis. Both going at it. Great uppercut by Lewis. Good combinations by Lewis. Lewis scoring some more. I like that they are both going after each other again, ala round 7. Holyfield flurries a bit at the end. I like the aggression both showed in the round. Another close round, I gave it to Lewis due to the uppercut being the best punch of the round. Could see this round being scored either way. Giampa scored it for Holyfield, and the other 2 scored it for Lewis.

Round 10 - Lewis
Some decent jabs by Lewis. Good 1-2 by Lewis. Holyfield trying to establish his jab some. Body punches by Lewis. Holyfield not punching much this round. Missing some. Good counter combo by Lewis. Another good combo punctuated by a good uppercut by Lewis. Two more good body shots by Lewis. Good left hook by Lewis. Lewis looking great this round. Lots of clean shots landed. More body shots by Lewis. Great round for Lewis. Scored a lot shots, and didn't get hit much.

Round 11 - Lewis
Good jabs by Lewis. Holyfield with a couple of rights. Good left by Holyfield. Both jabbing. Left hook by Lewis. More jabs from Lewis. Top notch left hook by Holyfield, best punch of the round so far. Good body shot by Holyfield. Lewis counters with a good body shot. Holyfield lands a very good counter right hand. Good combo by Lewis. Another combo by Lewis.
I gave the round to Lewis because he was busier.

Round 12 - Holyfield
Great combination upstairs by Evander on Lewis. Holyfield lands some body shots on Lewis. Holyfield the agressor in this round so far. Left uppercut by Holyfield. More body attack by Commander Vander. Some jabs by Lewis. Not much activity from Lewis in this round so far. Another combo by Holyfield. Holyfield still going to the body. Solid right hand by Lewis. Clear round for Holyfield though, effective aggressor through out the round.

So Holyfield takes it 115-114. 6 rounds to 5, 1 even.

Thoughts? I must say I am surprised on how my opinion has changed on this fight. I scored it 8-4 for Lewis the first 2 times I scored the fight, but now these last 2 times I seem to think Holyfield takes it ever so slightly. I know most will say Lewis won a close but clear decision, and I have no problem with that as I have scored this fight for him before.

The next time I watch it, I may see Lewis as the winner again.

But right now, Holyfield is my winner for their 2nd fight.

No way in hell Holyfield won either fight Get real:bart

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

While I appreciate the attempt on someone to FINALLY try and come up with a scorecard that shows how on earth you could score this fight for Holyfield, this scorecard takes a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY x a million, big stretch in order to give rounds to Holyfield. It's pretty much, "Hey Holyfield landed a punch in that round, better score it for him!"

[Shamrock]

Fuck! Hello, all the lennie lickers are arriving :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl :spliff

[streetsaresafer]

I think some posters are being disingenuos for not recognizing that their 2nd fight was close. Now I have no problem with those who say Lewis won, as I have scored it for him before. But again the most recent time I watched it I thought Holyfield got the better of it by a hair.

Rounds 1, 3, 5, 8, and even 9 to a degree are close rounds.

To me Lewis clearly won rounds 2, 4, 10, and 11.
Holyfield clearly won rounds 6, 7, and 12.

That leaves the other 6 rounds as pretty close. As you can see by some of the responses, a legitimate argument can be made either way.

Having said that, given that Lewis was clearly robbed in fight 1, it was more than understandable that Lewis got the decision. It would be hard for the judges not to lean Lewis's way in some of the close rounds given their first fight.

I only wish Lewis had been rightfully awarded the decision in the first fight. As for their 2nd fight, I think a split decision or majority decision for either fighter can be justified. It was a close fight IMHO.

[tays001]

i always thought so but just like the dlh vs tito fight it doesn't matter now

[PIRA]

yes is a well known fact that he is as bent as a hook

Who gives a shit if he is? The lack of any corrorborating evidence and facts that contradict your obsession shows that any one who spend as much time on the subject as you obviously has some unresolved issues. :deal

[PIRA]

Not a myth to anyone that's been there.



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If you are not interested in boxing or learning anything about it then fuck off rascist.

[PIRA]

That it is. As this poll, and every other Holyfield-Lewis poll I've ever seen on this site. As has been demonstrated around here time and time again, Holyfield is grossly underrated, Lewis incredibly overrated.

Can't be the best of the era when you get starched twice by second-raters. No how, no way!:-(

Zak,

Still can't handle Lewis beating Holy twice. Lets hear your best of the era - should be good for a laugh at your objectivity. Hypocrisy - your the general of the Holyfield overrating army and complaining about Lewis fans?

Your only point is two losses through complacency - thoroughly negated by every other win over these two and every other man who stepped through the ropes.

[Bubba]

I had Lewis winning the first fight.

And Holyfield winning the second one.

[mrbassie]

I thought Lewis won by a point or two. Holyfield was trying to steal rounds in the last thirty seconds and in fairness some of them he did, but as far as I'm concerned Lewis won and should by rights be 2-0 against Holyfield.

[SgrRyLeonard]

Lewis clearly dominated the first fight, 9 rounds to 3 and I thought he won a close second fight. I can understand people saying they thought Holyfield won the 2nd fight, there were a more than a few really close rounds in that one, but there is no way the 1st fight is anything but a clear, decisive victory for Lewis. No way at all.

[Drexl]

Who won the majority of the 24 rounds that they fought?

There is your overall winner.



Case closed.

[Zakman]

Hmm... tell me, exactly who is regarded as the best of the current era?:think


I think you can see where I'm going with this...
:yep

OK, Wlad, of course. But this is also a far lesser era. It's not like there are any other candidates who you would even put in the discussion, let alone be able to build a case for their being better.:yep

[markclow]

Lewis clearly won the second fight. Look at the punchstats and you will see.

Lewis can beat Holy every time as he is better in every way.

Pity you bitches can't accept it and are still crying about it years later.

Here you are:

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[markclow]

And while we are on the subject :

Larry Donald L 12
Toney L TKO 9
Chris Byrd L 12
John Ruiz L 12
Lewis L 12
Bowe L KO 8
Moorer L 12
Bowe L 12

Yeah sure he was better than Lewis as a heavyweight.

:hi: :hi: :hi: :yep :yep :yep :hey :hey :hey :hey :rofl :rofl :rofl

And he wasn't Evan Fields.

:hi: :hi: :hi: :yep :yep :yep :hey :hey :hey :hey :rofl :rofl :rofl


You sad pathetic clowns. :patsch

[Shamrock]

Who won the majority of the 24 rounds that they fought?

There is your overall winner.



Case closed.

Sorry mate, each fight is judged on its merits and the 2nd fight is the one in question. The real question is, did the judges award the 2nd fight to Lennox to make up for the botchup scoring of the 1st? A good number of posters on here think that is the case. All this meaning that the 2nd fight ended controversially. For that matter they both did, so we then become the jurors.

[Sonny's jab]

That it is. As this poll, and every other Holyfield-Lewis poll I've ever seen on this site. As has been demonstrated around here time and time again, Holyfield is grossly underrated, Lewis incredibly overrated.

Can't be the best of the era when you get starched twice by second-raters. No how, no way!:-(

I agree.

I cant stand the revisionist history that makes Lennox Lewis the most dominant heavyweight of the 1990s, when he was actually most often a huge disappointment up until 1997.
Outside of the brilliant destruction of Razor Ruddock in 1992, Lewis's performances in 1990-96 were not setting the division alight. He was just one of the major players, and rating Bowe and/or Holyfield ahead of him in '93 and '94, '95 and '96 was most REASONABLE.

Admittedly, in the late 90s, ('97 onwards) and 1999 in particular, Lewis emerged as the supreme HW.
But to say he dominated the whole 90s is ridiculous and ignorant.

[box03]

You can say whatever you want about holyfield but he did fight the tougher opponents that i think we could all agree on even the dick slobbing lewis fans

[Vanboxingfan]

Sorry mate, each fight is judged on its merits and the 2nd fight is the one in question. The real question is, did the judges award the 2nd fight to Lennox to make up for the botchup scoring of the 1st? A good number of posters on here think that is the case. All this meaning that the 2nd fight ended controversially. For that matter they both did, so we then become the jurors.

Well 70% (26-61 as I write this) of the posters think Lewis won the second fight regardless of the out come in the first. Having seen the second this is my view and it can be backed by a round by round score, if necessary. What you are espousing is a theory, but unfortunately the actual activity which took place in the ring refute this theory. The second fight wasn't that hard to score and it was 8-4 for Lewis. And if you're a Holyfield fan I can even see it being 7-5 Lewis. Beyond that and someone's objectivity is lost to either call it a draw and, god forbid, a Holyfield win.

[AJAX]

yes i scored the 1st fight a Draw... so did the 3 experianced judges..... how many fights in Vegas have you been asigned by the boxing commision to score ? ....

3 experienced judges? there was an investigation of the judges whatever her name was. one round where Lewis had beat holyfield very badly, she gave it to holyfield, I had the first fight easily for lewis and the second closer but still for lewis

[Drexl]

Sorry mate, each fight is judged on its merits and the 2nd fight is the one in question. The real question is, did the judges award the 2nd fight to Lennox to make up for the botchup scoring of the 1st? A good number of posters on here think that is the case. All this meaning that the 2nd fight ended controversially. For that matter they both did, so we then become the jurors.
And the vast majority of us jurors say that Lennox won both times.

Thanks for clearing that up. :good


Case closed AGAIN.

[Shamrock]

And the vast majority of us jurors say that Lennox won both times.

Thanks for clearing that up. :good


Case closed AGAIN.

No chuck! This thread only proves that a good many people thought Holy was robbed. The poll can be ignored as to the credibility of posters who may be biased in either direction. Eg; some british posters supporting Lennox might not even have seen the fight.............:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl :good

[Fighting Weight]

No chuck! This thread only proves that a good many people thought Holy was robbed. The poll can be ignored as to the credibility of posters who may be biased in either direction. Eg; some british posters supporting Lennox might not even have seen the fight.............:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl :good

Yeah, coming from someone who claimed that the doctor saved Lewis against VITLAY....the judges did Lewis a favour against Holyfield......etc etc etc.

Did Lewis ever actually win a fight fair and square, on your planet?

For the record, first fight 10-2 or 9-3 Lewis, 2nd fight 8-4 or 7-5. No controversy, he won because he landed more punches, as the stats proved.

Holyfields subsequent showings also prove that Lewis did him serious damage, whereas Lewis went from strength to strength. Every way you look at it Lewis came out of those 2 fights better off than Holyfield :deal

[Vanboxingfan]

Sorry mate, each fight is judged on its merits and the 2nd fight is the one in question. The real question is, did the judges award the 2nd fight to Lennox to make up for the botchup scoring of the 1st? A good number of posters on here think that is the case. All this meaning that the 2nd fight ended controversially. For that matter they both did, so we then become the jurors.

So not only did 70% of the posters on this site think Lewis won the second fight, independent of what happened in the first, but the punch states and the judges also believe this to be the case. That quite the conspiracy theory you've drummed up, just so we could all screw Holyfield of a much deserved win... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Shamrock]

Yeah, coming from someone who claimed that the doctor saved Lewis against VITLAY....the judges did Lewis a favour against Holyfield......etc etc etc.

Did Lewis ever actually win a fight fair and square, on your planet?

For the record, first fight 10-2 or 9-3 Lewis, 2nd fight 8-4 or 7-5. No controversy, he won because he landed more punches, as the stats proved.

Holyfields subsequent showings also prove that Lewis did him serious damage, whereas Lewis went from strength to strength. Every way you look at it Lewis came out of those 2 fights better off than Holyfield :deal

No he didn't! He lost credibility in a lot of punters eyes because he got a gift decision to placate the draw in the first fight. Holy landed the more accurate shots and had Lucky backed on the ropes consistently.
Lucky-Len.... the term applies well for other fights as well! :nono

[Fighting Weight]

No he didn't! He lost credibility in a lot of punters eyes because he got a gift decision to placate the draw in the first fight. Holy landed the more accurate shots and had Lucky backed on the ropes consistently.
Lucky-Len.... the term applies well for other fights as well! :nono

Hmmmm......well there's a first, a man becoming undisputed champion of the world whilst simultaneously losing credibility :nut

Oh yes Lucky Lennox, now you're going to bring the VITLAY fight up again right? All I can say is take a look at the faces of the two fighters afterwards and say to yourself....."who looks like the loser here???"

:deal

[Vanboxingfan]

No he didn't! He lost credibility in a lot of punters eyes because he got a gift decision to placate the draw in the first fight. Holy landed the more accurate shots and had Lucky backed on the ropes consistently.
Lucky-Len.... the term applies well for other fights as well! :nono

Did you ever consider the possibility that you don't know how to judge fights?

[Shamrock]

Did you ever consider the possibility that you don't know who to judge fights?

The word is 'how', and you blew your cover.. Canadian. Canada and Britain go together in Lucky Lens makeup. He's part of both as you already know, so remove your colored specs..........:hey :smooch

[box03]

The word is 'how', and you blew your cover.. Canadian. Canada and Britain go together in Lucky Lens makeup. He's part of both as you already know, so remove your colored specs..........:hey :smooch good catch shamrock another lewis fan is tagged

[Vanboxingfan]

The word is 'how', and you blew your cover.. Canadian. Canada and Britain go together in Lucky Lens makeup. He's part of both as you already know, so remove your colored specs..........:hey :smooch

So not only did 70% of the posters on this site think Lewis won the second fight, independent of what happened in the first, but the punch states and the judges also believe this to be the case. That quite the conspiracy theory you've drummed up, just so we could all screw Holyfield of a much deserved win... :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's a boy, comment one spelling issues, rather than answering a very pointed question, that's impressive. Course there's always the possibility that comprehension's not your strong suit.

And yes I am Canadian, but the judges weren't and neither was compubox, nor the majority of posters. But at least one American appears to rely on misdirection, rather than dealing with facts.

[Shamrock]

So not only did 70% of the posters on this site think Lewis won the second fight, independent of what happened in the first, but the punch states and the judges also believe this to be the case. That quite the conspiracy theory you've drummed up, just so we could all screw Holyfield of a much deserved win... :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's a boy, comment one spelling issues, rather than answering a very pointed question, that's impressive. Course there's always the possibility that comprehension's not your strong suit.

And yes I am Canadian, but the judges weren't and neither was compubox, nor the majority of posters. But at least one American appears to rely on misdirection, rather than dealing with facts.

Your vote was Canadian! :deal :hi:

[Drexl]

No chuck! This thread only proves that a good many people thought Holy was robbed.
You, Zakman and maybe one or two others.

The majority of boxing fans hate Lennox or at least never cared much about him. If anything, a poll will be biased in HOLYFIELD's favour because the neutrals will prefer to vote for him.

And before you spout more bullshit about this being a "british" board (which it isn't), post a similar poll on ANY boxing forum and the result will be the same. If a vote was taken of boxing journalists and judges, the result will also be the same.

I guess the whole world is wrong except for you, Zak and your pals (and aliases :yep), huh?

[Boinko]

Your vote was Canadian! :deal :hi:

I've found a lot of the bias in Holyfield's favour comes from frustrated Americans who are pissed that a non-American heavyweight was the dominant champ in the division.
So, frustrated little revisionists that they are, they are trying to alter the reality of what exactly happened and paint it in a light that reflects favourably on their American fighter, Holyfield.

Guys, we know it hurts that Lennox was a better heavyweight than Evander. But dealing with the pain by concocting lies and rewriting history is just plain sad.

[Vanboxingfan]

I've found a lot of the bias in Holyfield's favour comes from frustrated Americans who are pissed that a non-American heavyweight was the dominant champ in the division.
So, frustrated little revisionists that they are, they are trying to alter the reality of what exactly happened and paint it in a light that reflects favourably on their American fighter, Holyfield.

Guys, we know it hurts that Lennox was a better heavyweight than Evander. But dealing with the pain by concocting lies and rewriting history is just plain sad.

It's more than just sad, it's pathetic.

[paulfv]

The ESB forums are very much pro-Lewis forums, seemingly devoid of objectivity where Lennox is concerned. Whether that is because Lewis is a recently-retired fighter, and/or because many here are fans of boxers from the UK, and/or because many feel American fighters are given undue accolades in general (and so Lewis is praised to try to 'counteract' that pro-American perception) is open to debate.

But any ESB forum poll involving Lewis which I have seen undoubtedly ends up in Lewis' favor, and usually by a wide margin.

Make of that what you will.

[Dekkers]

The ESB forums are very much pro-Lewis forums, seemingly devoid of objectivity where Lennox is concerned. Whether that is because Lewis is a recently-retired fighter, and/or because many here are fans of boxers from the UK, and/or because many feel American fighters are given undue accolades in general (and so Lewis is praised to try to 'counteract' that pro-American perception) is open to debate.

But any ESB forum poll involving Lewis which I have seen undoubtedly ends up in Lewis' favor, and usually by a wide margin.

Make of that what you will.
I believe that Lewis is simply given a lot more respect outside the U.S (Europe, Australia, UK, Canada, Asia, etc) than inside it (i'd argue, "the respect he deserves" :D), and this is an 'international' forum, perhaps only 40-45% being from the states, the poll results simply reflects that (it's not that the world is anti-American, it's just that the states were never big on Lewis).

[Drexl]

But any ESB forum poll involving Lewis which I have seen undoubtedly ends up in Lewis' favor, and usually by a wide margin.

Make of that what you will.

That depends on the poll, but what I make of it is that Lewis wins by a wide margin because that is the correct answer. Not rocket science.

Post similar polls on other forums and see where it gets you. I post elsewhere more than I post here, and Lewis is ranked about the same everywhere else, including on American websites.

The only difference between here and anywhere else that I have seen is that here there are more Klitschko fans.

Just because a poll doesn't give you the answer you want doesn't make the results wrong. :roll:

Cry me a river, sore losers.

[barneyrub]

The whole theory of Lewis getting a make up decision for the first fight comes from those watching on HBO and hearing Foreman say that was possible, you must remember though that Holyfield had been outspoken before the 2nd fight about what he thought was biased commentary against him by Foreman in the first fight. So maybe Foreman was trying to make up to Holyfield by saying that. In fact even in the first round on HBO Foreman is saying Holyfield had staarted off by beating Lewis to the jab, he must have had his eyes shut however because Lewis had landed 3 and pushed Holyfield back with a left hook at that point lol. If you watch it with the Sky commentary you would feel it was a virtual whitewash. If you watch it without commentary you will get the truest score.

[lefthook31]

For the record, I thought Lewis won both fights, but hardly made many fans from either fight. He ran and held like a biatch.

[Boro chris]

Man, I had no idea this forum was full of so much British trash.
:-(
Can it sunshine! I enjoy this site very much so I don't appreciate it when racists little pricks like you try to drag it down to the gutter.

[BewareofDawg]

Legendary Hall of Fame referee and judge Arthur Mercante who was a scoring referee in Ali vs Frazier (1) "FIGHT OF THE CENTURY" says the correct way to score a prizefight is to break the round down into 3 seperate minutes... fighter A can boss the first 2 minutes of a round and fighter B land several flurries and combinations in the last minute of the round but you have to score that round for fighter A .... using Mercante`s method of scoring Lewis vs Holyfield (1) & (2) ..... !st fight is a DRAW 6rds each .... 2nd fight Holyfield wins 8-4
Uhmmm, Thats retarded.....and wrong :deal

Awful way to score a round. What happens if 'Fighter A' wins the 1st 2 minutes, but then 'Fighter B' knocks him down in the 3rd minute? Is that round a draw then? :think

[Sonny's jab]

I'm from the UK and proud to be British.

But there is an undeniable bias for Lennox Lewis on this forum.

All reasonable boxing fans should agree that :

1. Lewis was ROBBED in the first fight with Holyfield.
2. The second fight was very close, many of the individual rounds are too close to call with 100% conviction, and the result is therefore debatable.
3. Both Holyfield and Lewis are all-time great heavyweights, and who ranks above the other is a close debatable matter of opinion.
4. Lennox Lewis did NOT dominate the heavyweight division for most of the 1990s but he was one of the elite fighters from '91 or '92 onwards.

[Vanboxingfan]

The ESB forums are very much pro-Lewis forums, seemingly devoid of objectivity where Lennox is concerned. Whether that is because Lewis is a recently-retired fighter, and/or because many here are fans of boxers from the UK, and/or because many feel American fighters are given undue accolades in general (and so Lewis is praised to try to 'counteract' that pro-American perception) is open to debate.

But any ESB forum poll involving Lewis which I have seen undoubtedly ends up in Lewis' favor, and usually by a wide margin.

Make of that what you will.

I will, and what I make of it was that he was a great fighter. I just read a article by the Ring on a mythical match up between Lewis and Foreman, so should try reading it as it might give you a better perspective of what the majority think of Lewis and why. I like others here, don't just like a particular fighter for no reason, and Lewis' personality was such, that he was hard to like period. So therefore it must have been his actions in the ring that warranted what people thing of him. You obviously have a low regard and appreciation of him, based on what you've seen, and others have a different view based on what they've seen.

For example some will see the Tua fight as a sign that a big stong boxer was cautious and didn't go all out for the kill, and others will appreciate that he controlled the ring and adhered to the basic philosophy of boxing which is to hit and not get hit. Neither view is right or wrong.

[prepasur]

i see it today and isee evander as the winner

[prepasur]

men i score the fight 117-114 for Holyfield

i have 6 rounds to 3, 3 even its just my score

i think it was a bad fight not a lot to score

[Kalasinn]

For the record, I thought Lewis won both fights, but hardly made many fans from either fight. He ran and held like a biatch.
I second this opinion.

@paulfv ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Lewis lost the last 2 fight polls I made involving him, although he did do well, however it must be noted that some of the votes for him were indeed based on fiction about the other fighter.

[Bazooka]

I agree with your card and that was the way I saw it the first round IMO Holyfield won he did out jab Lewis and worked him a bit, I think Lewis got a bit more credit in this fight based on the fight he should have won the first time around.

Two wrongs do not make a right, I felt Holyfield won the rematch.

[Thread Stealer]

I had it 115-113 Lewis when I first saw it and re-watched it and scored it 116-112 for Lewis.

Holyfield won rounds 1, 6, 7, and 12. Lewis the rest.

[Brit Sillynanny]

I'm from the UK and proud to be British.

But there is an undeniable bias for Lennox Lewis on this forum.

All reasonable boxing fans should agree that :

1. Lewis was ROBBED in the first fight with Holyfield.
2. The second fight was very close, many of the individual rounds are too close to call with 100% conviction, and the result is therefore debatable.
3. Both Holyfield and Lewis are all-time great heavyweights, and who ranks above the other is a close debatable matter of opinion.
4. Lennox Lewis did NOT dominate the heavyweight division for most of the 1990s but he was one of the elite fighters from '91 or '92 onwards.

Agree.

LL was obviously and ridiculously robbed in the first. The second was close but an attempt to right the first wrong colored the 2nd fight's scorecards. Very close fight in the 2nd.

Both were great fighters. The last two undeniable greats in the heavyweight division. Horrible and laughable division in its entirety ever since.

Good post.