Castillo shot or not.......That punch stops anyone [Archive]

Chert

08-24-2007, 07:10 AM

LeedsLad

08-24-2007, 07:13 AM

actually, hatton was hitting that same spot on castillio's body many times w/ the left hook before that KO... could have been more of accumulation of left hook body punches that made castillio quit rather than a single body shot. the broken rib bones may have happened due to numerous hits on that same area of the body.

Yeh i agree, though the finishing punch was a picture perfect punch, there's no doubt Hatton was throwing and landing that punch alot, its hard to tell whether that one punch broke all 4 ribs.

emanuel_augustus

08-24-2007, 07:17 AM

Great punch. But yes, Castillo shot. You can tell his skills have eroded.

Taffyy

08-24-2007, 07:24 AM

Hatton likes that shot & has stopped a few with superb body punches........My point is shot or not it stops anyone , Prime castillo aint getting up from that ..... !!!!!!!

GazOC

08-24-2007, 07:24 AM

Yeh i agree, though the finishing punch was a picture perfect punch, there's no doubt Hatton was throwing and landing that punch alot, its hard to tell whether that one punch broke all 4 ribs.

That was something the English commentators just didn't pick up on at all. It was Castillo this, Castillo that, Ricky needs to be carefull etc.....I was watching the tele thinking 'a few more of those left hooks to the body and Castillo is fucked'

PowerPuncher

08-24-2007, 07:35 AM

Castillo got a gift decision against an African novice in his fight before Hatton. Yes he was shot. The win was good, but Hatton couldn't do it to Urango or Collazo could he?

GazOC

08-24-2007, 07:38 AM

Castillo got a gift decision against an African novice in his fight before Hatton. Yes he was shot. The win was good, but Hatton couldn't do it to Urango or Collazo could he?

Still 2 wins though....you want him to KO everyone in identical style?

Sheehan

08-24-2007, 07:49 AM

That was something the English commentators just didn't pick up on at all. It was Castillo this, Castillo that, Ricky needs to be carefull etc.....I was watching the tele thinking 'a few more of those left hooks to the body and Castillo is fucked'

Yea I could tell they was getting to castillo.

Sheehan

08-24-2007, 07:50 AM

Still 2 wins though....you want him to KO everyone in identical style?

:lol: :good

Vantage_West

08-24-2007, 07:57 AM

ricky said when it landed he felt his body shurder as well and said he wasnt going to get up....if he did get up i would of jumped over those ropes and gone home lol LEG-END

roly

08-24-2007, 08:02 AM

Castillo got a gift decision against an African novice in his fight before Hatton. Yes he was shot. The win was good, but Hatton couldn't do it to Urango or Collazo could he?

hatton raises his game for the big fights, that's why a lot of people will be suprised when he fights mayweather

He Hate Me

08-24-2007, 08:11 AM

Max kellerman said it perfect. Castillo took a bodyshot and DECIDED to pack it in.

He Hate Me

08-24-2007, 08:12 AM

Mexican fighters don't get ko'd from body shots. Im not buying this one.

GazOC

08-24-2007, 08:12 AM

Max kellerman said it perfect. Castillo took a bodyshot and DECIDED to pack it in.

I take it you (or Kellerman) have never been hit there?

PowerPuncher

08-24-2007, 08:14 AM

Still 2 wins though....you want him to KO everyone in identical style?

The question is how good Castillo was at 140lbs after a long career, his wars with Corrales and having never fought a good fighter above 135lbs.

The answer seems to be Castillo is a level below Urango and Collazo (both average) at this stage of his career

Hatton hasn't fought many top10 fighters at any weight, many fighters in their prime, many boxers who have good defenses or many boxers with any real speed

Now he has done very well against who hes fought but there are question marks

lern1079

08-24-2007, 08:15 AM

It was a good shot by Hatton. However, didn't Castillo complain of rib injuries as one of the reasons for failing to make weight in the Corrales fights. Maybe he got tagged in a place that was previously injured and never fully healed. Just a thought.

GazOC

08-24-2007, 08:20 AM

PowerPuncher

08-24-2007, 08:21 AM

I take it you (or Kellerman) have never been hit there?

Castillo could have got up but he was certainly hurt. HE may have though he would have been seriously KOd if he got up and fought 'fuck this my purse is being withheld by that Goosen twat anyway'.

How do we know Castillo had broken ribs? He said so - and hes hardly going to admit he packed it in, is he? Maybe he had broken ribs, maybe he didnt, we'll never know.

The curious thing is Castillo got fined a point unfairly prior to the KD for landing his own legal bodyshots that hurt Hatton. Everything seemed to be piling up against him. He was losing the rounds, he'd lost a point, Goosen was sueing him so his purse for Hatton was on hold, we was weight drained.....If he did pack it in, its understandable

Interesting side note is Mayweather has fought and won with broken ribs

GazOC

08-24-2007, 08:21 AM

The question is how good Castillo was at 140lbs after a long career, his wars with Corrales and having never fought a good fighter above 135lbs.

The answer seems to be Castillo is a level below Urango and Collazo (both average) at this stage of his career

Hatton hasn't fought many top10 fighters at any weight, many fighters in their prime, many boxers who have good defenses or many boxers with any real speed

Now he has done very well against who hes fought but there are question marks

Well his next oppoment ticks all the boxes in your list....:D

PowerPuncher

08-24-2007, 08:23 AM

hatton raises his game for the big fights, that's why a lot of people will be suprised when he fights mayweather

He does raise his game, but Castillo was past it. The Mayweather fight will be very interesting

He Hate Me

08-24-2007, 08:24 AM

How much was castillo's purs?

GazOC

08-24-2007, 08:25 AM

Castillo could have got up but he was certainly hurt. HE may have though he would have been seriously KOd if he got up and fought 'fuck this my purse is being withheld by that Goosen twat anyway'.

How do we know Castillo had broken ribs? He said so - and hes hardly going to admit he packed it in, is he? Maybe he had broken ribs, maybe he didnt, we'll never know.

The curious thing is Castillo got fined a point unfairly prior to the KD for landing his own legal bodyshots that hurt Hatton. Everything seemed to be piling up against him. He was losing the rounds, he'd lost a point, Goosen was sueing him so his purse for Hatton was on hold, we was weight drained.....If he did pack it in, its understandable

Interesting side note is Mayweather has fought and won with broken ribs
I heard that line about Castillos problems straight after the fight and didn't buy it then either. He was getting caught with that hook all fight and the last big one did him in.

No mystery, no conspiracy....just decent left hooks from a world class, 140lb body puncher.

PowerPuncher

08-24-2007, 08:25 AM

Well his next oppoment ticks all the boxes in your list....:D

He certainly does and that is why I have so much uncertainty on Mayweather-Hatton as both seem to be each others kryptonite

Hatton doesn't like faster fighters, getting beat to the punch, being made to miss. His management has steered him clear of Mayweather type fighters.

Mayweather doesn't like pressure and being forced to fight every miniute of every round on the inside or defending against combination punchers

I pick a Mayweather UD but I wouldn't be too suprised if Hatton pulls off the win. Equally I wouldn't be suprised if Mayweather wins every single round - its that kind of match up and that makes it interesting

LeedsLad

08-24-2007, 08:28 AM

How do we know Castillo had broken ribs? He said so - and hes hardly going to admit he packed it in, is he? Maybe he had broken ribs, maybe he didnt, we'll never know.
How do we know Mayweather hurt his shoulder/ribs in his first fight with JLC? He said so- hes hardly going to admit he struggled to beat Castillo 100% healthy is he:yep

The curious thing is Castillo got fined a point unfairly prior to the KD for landing his own legal bodyshots that hurt Hatton. Everything seemed to be piling up against him. He was losing the rounds, he'd lost a point, Goosen was sueing him so his purse for Hatton was on hold, we was weight drained.....If he did pack it in, its understandable
They were low shots, not in the danger area but they were low. And listen to the interview after, Hatton clearly says "he has a habit of hitting low so i wanted to get the ref on his back early, because as the 12 rounds go on they really take there toll".

Are you Castillo or something? You seem to come up with some seriously deluded thoughs, hes a warrior that would never quit unless he was seriously hurt.

PowerPuncher

08-24-2007, 08:35 AM

1. How do we know Mayweather hurt his shoulder/ribs in his first fight with JLC? He said so- hes hardly going to admit he struggled to beat Castillo 100% healthy is he:yep

2. They were low shots, not in the danger area but they were low. And listen to the interview after, Hatton clearly says "he has a habit of hitting low so i wanted to get the ref on his back early, because as the 12 rounds go on they really take there toll".

3. Are you Castillo or something? You seem to come up with some seriously deluded thoughs, hes a warrior that would never quit unless he was seriously hurt.

1. This is true, but more unlikely - Mayweather still got the win, he doesnt need an excuse

2. NO THEY WEREN'T LOW. Listen to the pre-fight instructiosn from the ref. HE says 'THE BELTLINE IS LEGAL'. Castillo hits the beltline, he never hti below the beltline. According to the refs very own instructions these were legal blows. Hatton play acted in the second round and the ref took his side. Hatton was very unsportingmanly in claiming to the ref and in the interview they were low - they were not.

3. Whats deluded? Plenty of 'warriors' quit under fire when they are old/tired or not at their best. Or don't you think Duran/Tyszu/Frazier are warriors???

LeedsLad

08-24-2007, 08:42 AM

1. This is true, but more unlikely - Mayweather still got the win, he doesnt need an excuse

2. NO THEY WEREN'T LOW. Listen to the pre-fight instructiosn from the ref. HE says 'THE BELTLINE IS LEGAL'. Castillo hits the beltline, he never hti below the beltline. According to the refs very own instructions these were legal blows. Hatton play acted in the second round and the ref took his side. Hatton was very unsportingmanly in claiming to the ref and in the interview they were low - they were not.

3. Whats deluded? Plenty of 'warriors' quit under fire when they are old/tired or not at their best. Or don't you think Duran/Tyszu/Frazier are warriors???
1. There's no evidence either way, so i can speculate just like you did.

2. If the ref did indeed say that, then maybe your correct il have to look again. However, Castillo has a history of hitting low repeatadly in fights and im pretty sure the referee knows that, hence he has a reputation and will get punished quickly.

3. Well obviously it happens, but you have to remember, Castillo hadnt taken the punishment those guys had. Its probable that Castillo had won the 3rd round and certainly wasnt fairing badly in the fight. Why would he quit? Hatton had softened that area with a couple of shots, then hit him with the best body shot hes thrown in his career, not many would have stayed up from that.

achillesthegreat

08-24-2007, 08:51 AM

Castillo got a gift decision against an African novice in his fight before Hatton. Yes he was shot. The win was good, but Hatton couldn't do it to Urango or Collazo could he?
Herman wasn't experienced enough. Castillo kept working. It wasn't a gift.

Ali couldn't spark out lesser opponents than Foreman, does that make Foreman a weak win or underrate the finish?

I wonder how shot you are when you are throwing and landing as many as Castillo was. Problem is Hatton was always a step ahead.

achillesthegreat

08-24-2007, 08:52 AM

Hatton was massacring Castillo to the body all night and that wasn't the first to hurt him. Hatton was hurting him prior to that and talked about hearing him wince.

Taffyy

08-24-2007, 09:02 AM

Mexican fighters don't get ko'd from body shots. Im not buying this one.
You PLUM..........!!!!!!! He broke his ribs for fuck sake .............. :patsch

PowerPuncher

08-24-2007, 09:17 AM

1. There's no evidence either way, so i can speculate just like you did.

2. If the ref did indeed say that, then maybe your correct il have to look again. However, Castillo has a history of hitting low repeatadly in fights and im pretty sure the referee knows that, hence he has a reputation and will get punished quickly.

3. Well obviously it happens, but you have to remember, Castillo hadnt taken the punishment those guys had. Its probable that Castillo had won the 3rd round and certainly wasnt fairing badly in the fight. Why would he quit? Hatton had softened that area with a couple of shots, then hit him with the best body shot hes thrown in his career, not many would have stayed up from that.

1. Fair enough

2. Castillo did not foul on this occasion. Castillo has got a history of bending the rules (no more than Hopkins or Hatton though). But if the ref says beltlines okay, Castillo is entitled to wallop the beltline. Poor Refereeing

3. Tyson was a warrior too, against Holyfield/Douglas he took massive beatings before being ko'd. Against Williams and McBride he folded like a deck chair. A fighter can only take so much pain from this sport before they lose their will to take beatings any more.

Relentless

08-24-2007, 09:19 AM

this thread is made to convince themselves that hatton has a chance against mayweather.

PowerPuncher

08-24-2007, 09:22 AM

Herman wasn't experienced enough. Castillo kept working. It wasn't a gift.

Ali couldn't spark out lesser opponents than Foreman, does that make Foreman a weak win or underrate the finish?

I wonder how shot you are when you are throwing and landing as many as Castillo was. Problem is Hatton was always a step ahead.

Herman-Castillo was CLOSE but I had it to Herman as did 1 of the judges and yes I'd say it was a lucky gift win for Castillo. Castillo was getting his head boxed off and was backing off against the novice african all night.

Lets not forget Herman had a very close fight with journeyman Randal Bailey in his next fight - an SD too unless I'm mistaken

If your gettings SD gifts against journeymen level fighters then you certainly are no longer a top fighter. Surely thats beyond debate. Yes Castillo did land good shots on Hatton but Hatton was there to be hit because he threw 60+ shots a round

LeedsLad

08-24-2007, 09:22 AM

1. Fair enough

2. Castillo did not foul on this occasion. Castillo has got a history of bending the rules (no more than Hopkins or Hatton though). But if the ref says beltlines okay, Castillo is entitled to wallop the beltline. Poor Refereeing

3. Tyson was a warrior too, against Holyfield/Douglas he took massive beatings before being ko'd. Against Williams and McBride he folded like a deck chair. A fighter can only take so much pain from this sport before they lose their will to take beatings any more.
All fair enough, though i dont agree that Castillo just folded, i think it was a shot bang on the money and he couldnt continue. I also dont think either Castillo or Mayweather faked injury, maybe four ribs was an exaggeration but i imagine that punch did break his ribs. And Mayweather was clearly bothered by both shoulder and ribs during the fight.

PowerPuncher

08-24-2007, 09:39 AM

All fair enough, though i dont agree that Castillo just folded, i think it was a shot bang on the money and he couldnt continue. I also dont think either Castillo or Mayweather faked injury, maybe four ribs was an exaggeration but i imagine that punch did break his ribs. And Mayweather was clearly bothered by both shoulder and ribs during the fight.

My original point was I'm not sure if he folded or if he was genuinely destroyed by the bodyshot. I'd say both were possibilities or maybe the truth lies somewhere in-between. IE Could have got up but would have been ko'd soon after.

Likewise Hattons bodyattack may play a big role in the fight. But it may not either, do we think Mayweather is moving to Hattons right leaving his ribs exposed?

Taffyy

08-24-2007, 09:54 AM

this thread is made to convince themselves that hatton has a chance against mayweather.
Only a very naive person gives Hatton NO chance ............. He cant match FM's skills , (Who can..???) but he has as good a chance as anyone FM's met up till now...........Even if he looses Im confident he will prove ALOT of people wrong about him...........Floyd is arguably the finest technician of our era but he was'nt made in a forge............remember that....;)

knockout

08-24-2007, 09:55 AM

Well of corse that punch stop anyone,but Castillo didnt look like he was doing so good,probly would of went down later.

He Hate Me

08-24-2007, 10:19 AM

You PLUM..........!!!!!!! He broke his ribs for fuck sake .............. :patsch

According to who? and I seriously doubt that you examined him post fight you tool.

Guru_Too_You

08-24-2007, 10:27 AM

Didn't stop Urango or Collazzo, you know, the prime fighters he's fought over the past 4 years.

Pimp C

08-24-2007, 10:35 AM

Hatton will have hell trying to land this punch on PBF. His best chance is against the ropes because it will be damn near impossible landing it on him in the middle of the ring.

GazOC

08-24-2007, 10:39 AM

Didn't stop Urango or Collazzo, you know, the prime fighters he's fought over the past 4 years.

Was Maussa shot as well?

Guru_Too_You

08-24-2007, 10:57 AM

Was Maussa shot as well?

Maussa was a never was.

Damn man. Maussa was cannon fodder for an up and coming Miguel Cotto then Vivian Harris handed him the title. You cant even say that Maussa won that title, Harris knocked himself out.

roly

08-24-2007, 10:58 AM

Likewise Hattons bodyattack may play a big role in the fight. But it may not either, do we think Mayweather is moving to Hattons right leaving his ribs exposed?

i agree with this, if hantton can land good body shots, the fight could go either way.

you can't throw punches without losing some defensive capabilty, so unless pbf doesn't throw punches, hatton's got a chance of landing and he's a decent finisher. i know before you say it that pbf is very quick but it's a 12 round fight and hatton won't be trying to box from the outside.

pbf is a clear favourite but if the odds are good enough i'll be putting money on hatton for a stoppage.

PowerPuncher

08-24-2007, 11:06 AM

Was Maussa shot as well?

Maussa was a journeyman who got lucky mate. He lost to Morua before Hatton and Garnica after.

LeedsLad

08-24-2007, 11:17 AM

Didn't stop Urango or Collazzo, you know, the prime fighters he's fought over the past 4 years.

Since when has boxing been all about stopping the opponent? Hes won both fights, does it make it any less of a win if you dont stop them? No.

Hatton will have a very hard time managing to land the body punch of Mayweather, Hatton is fairly good at cutting of the ring and if he could get Mayweather in the corner or up against the ropes maybe he could have success. But when he goes for the left hook to the body, it will leave him open for a Mayweather counter, probably a right uppercut or hook or something, which is the major problem.

brooklyn1550

08-24-2007, 11:20 AM

But can he LAND it on Mayweather?

achillesthegreat

08-24-2007, 11:52 AM

Herman-Castillo was CLOSE but I had it to Herman as did 1 of the judges and yes I'd say it was a lucky gift win for Castillo. Castillo was getting his head boxed off and was backing off against the novice african all night.

Lets not forget Herman had a very close fight with journeyman Randal Bailey in his next fight - an SD too unless I'm mistaken

If your gettings SD gifts against journeymen level fighters then you certainly are no longer a top fighter. Surely thats beyond debate. Yes Castillo did land good shots on Hatton but Hatton was there to be hit because he threw 60+ shots a round
It was close but Castillo was always working and not fighting in amateurish spurts.

Your definition of a gift is all wrong.

Hatton was coming off similarly bad performances. Typically you are talking completely in hindsight.

Herman did have an SD but Bailey is a former world champ, so how is he a journeyman?

Robinson lost to a true journeyman in Tiger but then was on top of the world for the next 5 or 6 years.

Castillo was throwing over 50 shots a round. Castillo starts slow. Hatton himself admitted he was warming up after the third. He was still looking good in the fourth. Hatton kept on him.

People jump on this shot thing way too quickly.

Pimp C

08-24-2007, 12:00 PM

But can he LAND it on Mayweather?
Not in the middle of the ring he won't.:deal

Guru_Too_You

08-24-2007, 12:11 PM

Since when has boxing been all about stopping the opponent? Hes won both fights, does it make it any less of a win if you dont stop them? No.

Look at the thread title. Its not rocket science.

LeedsLad

08-24-2007, 12:12 PM

Look at the thread title. Its not rocket science.
You pointed to the fact that he didnt stop the 2 prime fighters he had fought over the last four years, as if that means anything, he won both fights.

Guru_Too_You

08-24-2007, 12:18 PM

You pointed to the fact that he didnt stop the 2 prime fighters he had fought over the last four years, as if that means anything, he won both fights.

OK, this thread is about the body shots that Hatton landed on Castillo being able to stop anyone.

Well he landed tons of similar body shots against Urango and Collazzo and did not stop them.

Damn, talk about dense.

roly

08-24-2007, 01:01 PM

OK, this thread is about the body shots that Hatton landed on Castillo being able to stop anyone.

Well he landed tons of similar body shots against Urango and Collazzo and did not stop them.

Damn, talk about dense.

that's not true, hatton although known for his body punching hasn't been using it as much as usual against koysta and the fights since. against castillo was the first time he had been dedicatedly going to the body - and as much as people like to say so, he didn't grab much in that fight either. i hope what happened with castillo gets him back to his pre koysta style.

Snorkel

08-24-2007, 01:06 PM

Mexican fighters don't get ko'd from body shots. Im not buying this one.

What a load of shit. No one of group of fighters are more or less predisposed to having strong bodies, or any attribute for that matter. There are racial stereotypes that may hold for a number of fighters but they aren't scientific fact. Look at Gonzalez - Penalosa the other week for another Mexican getting stopped by a body shot. Think before you open your mouth.

jecxbox

08-24-2007, 01:08 PM

hahaha hasn't Cotto KO'd at least a PAIR of Mexican fighters with a vicious left hook to the body...Their ass went to sleep!!!!...Hatton and Cotto are the best Body Punchers in boxing today...If only Hatton and Cotto could somefucking how pull off the wins because I'd rather see Cotto vs Hatton than any other match up in boxing...That fight would sell out Yankee Stadium.

Guru_Too_You

08-24-2007, 01:16 PM

that's not true, hatton although known for his body punching hasn't been using it as much as usual against koysta and the fights since. against castillo was the first time he had been dedicatedly going to the body - and as much as people like to say so, he didn't grab much in that fight either. i hope what happened with castillo gets him back to his pre koysta style.

Spin cycles are for washing machines.

roly

08-24-2007, 01:34 PM

Spin cycles are for washing machines.

i don't understand what you mean?

Grabonator

08-24-2007, 02:08 PM

He broke 4 ribs, I doubt anyone can carry on with that.

He broke 4 ribs with that punch? Man thats impressive!!

BITCH ASS

08-24-2007, 03:01 PM

Didn't stop Urango or Collazzo, you know, the prime fighters he's fought over the past 4 years.

That's an unfair assessment.

Urango is a huge 140 lb slugger. He's an extremelly dangerous opponent for a wrestling pressure fighter like Hatton to face.

Urango put Hatton out of his element by forcing him box. When is the last time we've seen Hatton bullied around?

Considering Hatton's natural style, how do you expect him to KO Urango?

Collazo is a southpaw and Ricky's first venture into welterweight. Sugar Shane, a reasonably big or at least natural welter wasn't able to KO Collazo, so why would you expect Ricky?

hitman_hatton1

08-24-2007, 03:03 PM

hatton's paying this joker.

all that standing around covering is biting floyd up the backside here.

he always does it against pressure.

plus it's all singles and doubles these days.

hatton all the way. :bbb

He Hate Me

08-24-2007, 03:52 PM

What a load of shit. No one of group of fighters are more or less predisposed to having strong bodies, or any attribute for that matter. There are racial stereotypes that may hold for a number of fighters but they aren't scientific fact. Look at Gonzalez - Penalosa the other week for another Mexican getting stopped by a body shot. Think before you open your mouth.

Watch the fight again. listen to hall of fame inductee emanual steward. that quote came straight from his lips. (steward said along the lines) " I am amazed that a mexican fighter went down from a body shot" Are people in the boxing world asking him to step down, are they saying he was out of line, the answer to those questions are no. So you should be a better boxing observer. And secondly stereotypes exist in boxing weather you like it or not. Are europeans outraged that they have a particular style, I don't think so. Are black boxers upset when they are called gifted athletes in the ring i.e rjj pbf hell no, mexican fighters are proud,strong and determined, furthermore it is a hell of a compliment in terms of conditioning. In closing You are no real boxing fan and you should be scruitinized for every word you post on this site.

Danny Ocean

08-24-2007, 03:55 PM

i dont know

hatton definetly didnt fight a prime version of castillo, he was at 140lbs looked dreadful in his last 2 fights and just seemed small in comparison to hatton

the fight imo was pretty poor but i knew from round 2 hatton had control, castillo had no movement upper body and his punches seemed flat

i totally agreed with max kellerman when he said castillo showed up to see what hatton and when he realised hatton was too much the fight was over

roly

08-24-2007, 05:09 PM

i've not heard that castillo has retired yet? if he hasn't i think he's more than cable of beating any of the other 140 belt holders, though considering styles i think witter would be a tough fight for him. we'll see how shot he is if he fights again (which considering his financial position i think is likely)

roly

08-24-2007, 05:12 PM

Taffyy

08-25-2007, 10:07 AM

According to who? and I seriously doubt that you examined him post fight you tool.
Listen you fucking faggot.........It was common knowledge that Castillo stated after the fight he had broken ribs.........Silly cunt...:patsch

Snorkel

08-25-2007, 11:18 AM

Watch the fight again. listen to hall of fame inductee emanual steward. that quote came straight from his lips. (steward said along the lines) " I am amazed that a mexican fighter went down from a body shot" Are people in the boxing world asking him to step down, are they saying he was out of line, the answer to those questions are no. So you should be a better boxing observer. And secondly stereotypes exist in boxing weather you like it or not. Are europeans outraged that they have a particular style, I don't think so. Are black boxers upset when they are called gifted athletes in the ring i.e rjj pbf hell no, mexican fighters are proud,strong and determined, furthermore it is a hell of a compliment in terms of conditioning. In closing You are no real boxing fan and you should be scruitinized for every word you post on this site.

Brilliant.

I know stereotypes exist and as I said, there may be some truth to them but they aren't hard and fast rules. Mexicans may be renowned for their toughness, black boxers for their athleticism and so on but that doesn't mean they all have those attributes. Emmanuel Steward said he was amazed, he didn't say 'Mexican fighters don't get ko'd from body shots.' as you did. He was applying the not unreasonable stereotype that they are tough, you stated it as fact. There's a big difference.

Finally, and most laughably of all, you tell me I'm not a boxing fan and my words should be scrutinized. Why? Is it because I took your statement and proved it 100% incorrect by giving a recent example, or is it because you're trying to make yourself look less stupid?

5Q73LRtoPMY

achillesthegreat

08-25-2007, 12:41 PM

5Q73LRtoPMY
You got to love body shots that have delayed reactions.

Snorkel

08-25-2007, 04:33 PM

You got to love body shots that have delayed reactions.

Haven't you read the thread? Any Mexican who gets stopped by a body punch is taking a dive, apparently.

Anyway, body shots like that are brutal to watch, you can just see everything draining from the victim as he's reduced to a gasping figure on the canvas. Beautiful in its own slightly sick way.

Executioner

08-25-2007, 04:36 PM

actually, hatton was hitting that same spot on castillio's body many times w/ the left hook before that KO... could have been more of accumulation of left hook body punches that made castillio quit rather than a single body shot. the broken rib bones may have happened due to numerous hits on that same area of the body.

...The fight lasted only four rounds!

You're talking as though Hatton was pounding his body for ten rounds before brutally stopping him with a vicious left hook to the body in the eleventh. :lol:

Ramshall1

08-25-2007, 04:39 PM

you could tell very early in the fight that Castillo had no legs under him, all those wars have caught up with him, thats pretty obvious.

Executioner

08-25-2007, 04:42 PM

Castillo got a gift decision against an African novice in his fight before Hatton. Yes he was shot. The win was good, but Hatton couldn't do it to Urango or Collazo could he?

Urango is a tough strong fighter who is built like a bodybuilder, has nearly no neck on him and can take a pretty good punch. Collazo wasn't stopped or hurt by Mosley so it doesn't matter.

achillesthegreat

08-25-2007, 09:04 PM

Haven't you read the thread? Any Mexican who gets stopped by a body punch is taking a dive, apparently.

Anyway, body shots like that are brutal to watch, you can just see everything draining from the victim as he's reduced to a gasping figure on the canvas. Beautiful in its own slightly sick way.
Castillo was genuinely hurt. Man, he took that shot and a split second later his breath was literally taken away. He spun and if you see when he goes to his knee, he has to adjust his right foot so he can try and tense up more because of the agony.

Body shots are art.