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Sakura
04-04-2009, 02:35 PM
Rumours are saying that these gentlemen would face in the ring .. so what will be your Choice to be a winner
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Pure madness to match the inexperienced Finnish heavy weight hope with Dettweiler at this point of time! Helenius isnt ready to fight someone like Dettweiler at this stage of his career. Wouldnt be fair and reasonable matchmaking in my opinion!
Artani
04-05-2009, 05:04 AM
The both guys going notwhere in the pro. Detweller lost one year before from Gengis Koc and also Helenius dont have a lot of power to KO guys with shot record ...
Pure madness to match the inexperienced Finnish heavy weight hope with Dettweiler at this point of time! Helenius isnt ready to fight someone like Dettweiler at this stage of his career. Wouldnt be fair and reasonable matchmaking in my opinion!
Helenius and Dettweiler have sparred, and according to reliable reports, Dettweiler was dancing samba after a few rounds with Robert.
You´re German and don´t care whole lot about Finnish fighter like Helenius. Sauerland apparently is matchmaking him toughly, because they believe in him. In his last fight, Helenius no longer had problems with his knuckles, and he stopped the decent 11-2-1 Garmendia in the first round, with no problems...
Helenius and Dettweiler have sparred, and according to reliable reports, Dettweiler was dancing samba after a few rounds with Robert.
You´re German and don´t care whole lot about Finnish fighter like Helenius. Sauerland apparently is matchmaking him toughly, because they believe in him. In his last fight, Helenius no longer had problems with his knuckles, and he stopped the decent 11-2-1 Garmendia in the first round, with no problems...
Ts! Ts! :DNeither am I German nor do I not care a lot about a promising young heavy like Helenius.
Garmendia? For heaven sake! He is a no-hoper with a misleading fight record who was no match for Helenius at all.
They believe in him,eh????
Dettweiler hasnt convinced his promoter lately.Helenius hasnt set the world on fire either.
I dont want to be a clever dick,but I guess that Sauerland wants to get rid of one of his boys.
Helenius really has to pull his socks up to be victorious over his far more experienced stable mate.
Dettweiler has shared the ring wiht Coc,Pala,Boytsov,Sprott and so on.Helenius is a rookie who has done his bit up to now,but who will face a brute of a problem when matched with his experienced stable mate.
Very tough matchmaking! Helenius isnt ready yet to fight someone like Dettweiler at this stage of his career.
I even dare to say that this kind of matchmaking is quite unfair to the Finnish fighter.The very fact that he is matched(is he really?)with Dettweiler doesnt bode well in my opinion.His promoter doesnt seem to believe in him at all.
How the hell can you match a promising young fighter like Helenius who has beaten totally limited club fighters and no-hopers up to now with an experienced pro like Dettweiler?
Why not?
Dettweiler is not very good. I think he's saying its sink or swim time for the Fin. You ain't going ANYWHERE if you can't beat Dettweiler, even if his current competition is soft.
Why not?
Dettweiler is not very good. I think he's saying its sink or swim time for the Fin. You ain't going ANYWHERE if you can't beat Dettweiler, even if his current competition is soft.
Dettweiler went 12 rounds with Sprott,and wasnt that much out of puff at the end of their encounter.
Helenius has showcased his skills exactly 6 times in the paid ranks.Dettweiler has 26 pro fights.
Helenius hasnt faced and beaten a single known name. Dettweiler has shared the ring with Sprott,Coc,Boytsov,Pala,and so on.
You are right in saying that Dettweiler's potential is quite limited.Nevertheless,he knows the ropes in the paid ranks,can box,and has experience.
Good matchmaking is part of this game! Helenius vs Dettweiler at this point of time is no good matchmaking in my opinion.
No need to rush Helenius into big fights!
Sakura
04-06-2009, 07:12 AM
Dettweiler vs koc
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As I already said, I think Sauerland strongly believes that Helenius WILL beat Dettweiler.
They have sparred together quite a bit, and according to eyewitnesses, Dettweiler had plenty of problems with Helenius...
And may I add, that Helenius has also sparred with Yoan Pablo Hernandez, Marco Huck, Juan Carlos Gomez, and who ever else...
He knows something about tough opposition. Look at his amateur record.
Helenius is ready for the likes of Dettweiler.
Sakura
04-06-2009, 07:59 AM
Robert Helenius vs Enrico Garmendia
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Well, I have yet to see anything from Helenius that would convince me that he even deserves the label "prospect". So far he is, and always was, nothing more than a big stiff. But on the other hand, Dettweiler is very average himself and Helenius is the undefeated guy in the match-up. Sauerland wouldn't put him against Dettweiler if they weren't sure, that Helenius beats him.
Sakura
04-07-2009, 03:30 AM
The both guys going notwhere in the pro. Detweller lost one year before from Gengis Koc and also Helenius dont have a lot of power to KO guys with shot record ...
Insider information told knuckles problems in Helenius and the problem is overcome now, so do not underestimate his ability to knock down his opponents. His punch is always been atleast good..
As I already said, I think Sauerland strongly believes that Helenius WILL beat Dettweiler.
They have sparred together quite a bit, and according to eyewitnesses, Dettweiler had plenty of problems with Helenius...
And may I add, that Helenius has also sparred with Yoan Pablo Hernandez, Marco Huck, Juan Carlos Gomez, and who ever else...
He knows something about tough opposition. Look at his amateur record.
Helenius is ready for the likes of Dettweiler.
His amateur record only proves that he lost quite a handful of fights against very limited opposition,vhb.
Dont get me wrong though! Helenius will hopefully prove that he can make some noise in the paid ranks,and he for sure has a certain "amount" of talent,but I am not totally confident that he is a future belt holder-neither a european nor a world one.
He hasnt set the world on fire at the pros up to now.He went the distance with clubfighters and unknown journeymen.
I for one am not really that sure that Sauerland "strongly" believes in him.
Maybe he just wants to get rid of him by matching him with Dettweiler!
Lets not carried away and not forget that Helenius is no second Povetkin,vhb! He needs time and still has to learn 10 or 11 things before he can take on someone like Dettweiler.
Or do you really think that going the full route with outstandingly great fighters like Ergin Solmaz(3-19) or David Vicena(2-12) has prepared him to fight someone like his stable mate Dettweiler.
I ve seen some of Dettweiler ' s fight either live or on tv.He is not a great boxer,but damn he gives hell to a rookie like Helenius.I dont want to see him get hauled over the coal by someone like Dettweiler.
Artani
04-07-2009, 12:20 PM
Insider information told knuckles problems in Helenius and the problem is overcome now, so do not underestimate his ability to knock down his opponents. His punch is always been atleast good..
This is reality, if he cant KO the club fighters soo what he will do with someone with good record.
Sakura
04-08-2009, 12:19 PM
This is reality, if he cant KO the club fighters soo what he will do with someone with good record.
As I said before, he suffered some problems with his knuckles, so it is understandable that he does not have interest hit full force against his opponents. Already as an amateur he was suitable hard hitter
Artani
04-08-2009, 06:33 PM
As I said before, he suffered some problems with his knuckles, so it is understandable that he does not have interest hit full force against his opponents. Already as an amateur he was suitable hard hitter
Ok mate lets see his progres in future. I dont have nothing against him, i like to see him in best shape...
Toney
04-08-2009, 06:48 PM
This is reality, if he cant KO the club fighters soo what he will do with someone with good record.
Cos usually fighters with good records come to win, they open up things, when some journeyman´s don´t open up. They settle to a points-loss.
Helenius is scheduled to take on tough journeyman Ozcan Cetinkaya on the undercard of Huck vs Rusal.
Cetinkaya will be a good test for Helenius.The German based Turk is no bum,but neither is he a kind of gatekeeper.
I dont think that Helenius will be able to stop him,but he should be able to win a wide point decision.
Anything is possible, if Helenius no longer has the knuckle injury.
Helenius is likely to fight again on May 30th in Helsinki.
Who knows, maybe he has easy time with this Cetinkaya, and they will throw him against Dettweiler 3 weeks from that.
Sakura
04-24-2009, 05:23 PM
This Turkish fighter is reasonable opponent to Helenius. I Hope he can win by KO/TKO and quickly
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