View Full Version : Alexander Povetkin - Can He Be Great?
Russell
04-05-2009, 12:08 AM
There are so many fighters waiting to be taken that I feel Povetkin very well could become a HOF bound fighter.
I honestly would give him a good chacne to beat beat Vitali as of now. Vitali is extremey immobile, the knee brace speaks volumes along with the myriad injures he's picked up over the years. That's why he and his team were so happy to take the Peter fight after years out of the ring with no tune up. He's just there to be taken and with Povetkin's workrate and chin among other things I think he could be the one to take advantage of a slipping Vitali.
And speaking of fighters waiting to be taken, few fighters in recent years have had starts as fast as Povetkin. He started his career unbelievably fast which says a lot about what a quality fighter he is, and tore through the old guard like Donald and Byrd.
Dimitrenko, Ruiz, Valuev, Chagaev, Martin Rogan, Andew Golota... He'd slaughter the older fighters on that list and I feel he could take decisions casually against the likes of Rogan and Valuev.
Wladimir, however, would be trouble for Povetkin in my opinion.
Thoughts?
McGrain
04-05-2009, 12:10 AM
Did you see him fight tonight?
Russell
04-05-2009, 12:12 AM
Nay', not yet.
McGrain
04-05-2009, 12:13 AM
He was fucking terrible.
TheGreatA
04-05-2009, 12:14 AM
Not based on what we saw tonight.
He has some positives but the truth is that he won't get past Wladimir, whom he will probably fight next, and he won't likely continue on to become much afterwards.
MRBILL
04-05-2009, 12:18 AM
Alex Povetkin is a tub of goo of a white boy who's being pushed into something he's only marginal at best....... No more excuses about being sick or ill, or whatever.... He's not that good...... He'll never sell big in the USA.......... Keep that dude over in Europe....
SR.BILLARDO
SuzieQ49
04-05-2009, 12:20 AM
Well his win over chambers certainly looks alot more impressive after the job fast eddie put on peter last week. based on what i saw tonight, potvekin does not beat wlad, however i do give him a strong shot to beat vitali.
Bummy Davis
04-05-2009, 12:31 AM
I did not see the fight but Povetkin had a solid win over Chambers and a few others and looks to be a solid fighter, Estrada is not an easy guy to look good against. Still i think he is not being managed correctly...He has not fought a big man and in this day and age the Klitschko's are the men to beat so he should have had some practice. 17 fights but he is not a spring chicken. I would have liked to see him against Areola or Dimentrenko or John Ruiz or Chagaev before he took on Vlad. i think he may be the type that is more effective than impressive but time will tell
Russell
04-05-2009, 01:04 AM
Larry Donald isn't a big man?
MRBILL
04-05-2009, 01:19 AM
Larry Donald isn't a big man?
Larry Donald is washed up.......... Shit, he's near or at 40......... His last big win and good year was over Holy in 2004.......... In 2009, L.D. aint going anywhere...... At best he'll become a CHIEF sparring partner for a name fighter.....
MR.BILL:yep
Russell
04-05-2009, 01:28 AM
He already beat Donald, Bill. :nono
MRBILL
04-05-2009, 01:47 AM
He already beat Donald, Bill. :nono
Donald lost? I'm not surprised there.... Not anything post of 2004 anyway... Donald's real career as a contender is over..... Now he can only pretend....:yep
MR.BILL
Alex Povetkin is a tub of goo of a white boy who's being pushed into something he's only marginal at best....... No more excuses about being sick or ill, or whatever.... He's not that good...... He'll never sell big in the USA.......... Keep that dude over in Europe....
SR.BILLARDO
I think your being very hard on the guy. I think he is currently the 4th best heavy out there at the moment and yes he is from Europe but he is still lightyears ahead of any US fighter:hey
sitiyzal
04-05-2009, 05:52 AM
Will he even dare to be great?
PowerPuncher
04-05-2009, 07:29 AM
Hes shit
TommyV
04-05-2009, 08:30 AM
No.
1 - He's not fighting in a good enough era to be considered truly 'great' in my opinion.
2 - He just doesn't have the intangibles. Great work rate and combinations, but open defence and stalking style means Wlad & Vitali Klitschko would always be able to land and bomb him out.
janitor
04-05-2009, 01:03 PM
Not based on what we saw tonight.
He is coming off a serious injury so I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on this ocasion.
Drew101
04-05-2009, 01:08 PM
too early to tell.
Polymath
04-05-2009, 01:09 PM
He's got a very beatable style; basically good all round but doesn't have the speed or reach to be a dominant boxer and doesn't have much power or strength; he's sort of a pressure fighter who doesn't really put that much pressure on his opponent.
Russell
04-05-2009, 01:53 PM
I'm suprised the guys amateur credentials are being ignored. He's one of the most accomplished amateurs in years.
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Seamus
04-05-2009, 02:13 PM
He is coming off a serious injury so I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on this ocasion.
I second this.
He has beaten some quality fighters in his young start. Go back and look at the fighters Foreman, Holmes, Lewis and even Tyson fought in their first 15 fights. Granted, Alex is older but HW's in general are older today.
Greatness? Only if he continues to progress (not a given) and the matches are made.
I'm suprised the guys amateur credentials are being ignored. He's one of the most accomplished amateurs in years.
[Only registered and activated users can see links] one's ignoring his accomplishments as an amateur; it's just that one's amateur accolades don't always translate well into the professional ranks.
He struggled way too much with the likes of Eddie Chambers and Jason Estrada to destined for greatness. Not to mention his conditioning and defense appear to be highly suspect. Luckily for him, the heavyweight division is complete crap, so it's possible that he could make a splash. I would favor both Klitschko brothers and perhaps Chagaev over Povetkin. I think he's even money against the likes of Haye, Arreola, or Valuev.
ChrisPontius
04-05-2009, 02:16 PM
He's already a great amateur, i think of all major tournaments between 2001 and 2004 he ended #1 in every one of them (including the Olympics) except one, where he was #2 and twice avenged that loss later.
As a professional, who knows? Way too early to tell. His dominant wins over Donald and Byrd were excellent and beating a 33-0 Chambers, who just beat Peter, this early in his career certainly was impressive. However he looked mediocre last night. Combinations and workrate are his strengths and while he threw some combo's, his workrate was way too low, especially if you consider it was only a 10-round fight. If it went over 12, i think Estrada would've been TKO'd, but to be fair, he has an excellent jaw.
One other thing, i think he's a very slow starter... against Chambers he took a few rounds to get his punchrate up but against Estrada he never really got started. Kind of surprising actually, to see a slow starter do so well in 3 or 4 round amateur bouts.
PowerPuncher
04-05-2009, 02:36 PM
Maybe hes fading already then, he is 29 and stamina/workrate is 1 of the first things to fade. Or maybe he just couldn't be assed for Jason Estrada
Russell
04-05-2009, 03:08 PM
No one's ignoring his accomplishments as an amateur; it's just that one's amateur accolades don't always translate well into the professional ranks.
He struggled way too much with the likes of Eddie Chambers and Jason Estrada to destined for greatness. Not to mention his conditioning and defense appear to be highly suspect. Luckily for him, the heavyweight division is complete crap, so it's possible that he could make a splash. I would favor both Klitschko brothers and perhaps Chagaev over Povetkin. I think he's even money against the likes of Haye, Arreola, or Valuev.
He seemingly doesn't seem to be a Breland amateur to pro fighter, what with the talent not equating to the pro's well at all.
As for Chambers, so what? We're talking about a guy with Tubbs level handspeed. That's a big asset, and he more then likely isn't a easy match for anyone himself.
He seemingly doesn't seem to be a Breland amateur to pro fighter, what with the talent not equating to the pro's well at all.
As for Chambers, so what? We're talking about a guy with Tubbs level handspeed. That's a big asset, and he more then likely isn't a easy match for anyone himself.I don't quite understand your first sentence, but in terms of Chambers, it is my belief that both Klitschko brothers lose at the very most one round to Chambers while knocking him out in the process.
If Povetkin can't dominate a small, out of shape heavyweight like Chambers, then I can't see him being destined for greatness. That, plus his defense leaves a lot left to be desired.
ChrisPontius
04-05-2009, 05:53 PM
Or maybe he just couldn't be assed for Jason Estrada
This may be part of the reason, but that would still be a bad sign.
I think the fact that Estrada was shorter than him also contributed to the trouble. His style is suited for a short fighter.
Russell
04-05-2009, 06:31 PM
I don't quite understand your first sentence, but in terms of Chambers, it is my belief that both Klitschko brothers lose at the very most one round to Chambers while knocking him out in the process.
Size has... what to do with it?
Did you miss Vitali/Gomez? Chamber's is sure as shit a better fighter then Gomez at this point, and in that vein Chamber is far larger then Gomez who used to routinely weigh in at 190 pounds.
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