View Full Version : Lennox Lewis Vs Joe Frazier
Nigel_Benn
08-24-2007, 10:44 AM
Prime for Prime i think its a real tossup it goes 2 ways Lewis by late ko/tko or Frazier by Mid round Ko
Guru_Too_You
08-24-2007, 10:48 AM
Prime for Prime i think its a real tossup it goes 2 ways Lewis by late ko/tko or Frazier by Mid round Ko
Stylistically this favors Lennox.
Still, Frazier could knock him out as well.
67/33 in Lennox's favor IMHO.
Jazzo
08-24-2007, 10:57 AM
Frazier would stand a better chance than Marciano, but that is not saying much.
He has a decent left hook, but the chance of him catching Lewis with such a lack of height is very remote - and there is no guarantee that it would take Lewis out. No gaurantee whatsoever.
Jazzo
08-24-2007, 11:19 AM
in Larry Holmes autobiography "Against the odds" Holmes say`s Frazier would K.O. Lewis within 2rds.... i go for Frazier K.O.1
Fighters are really not to be trusted when it comes to this sort of thing, as they have an interest in who would win.
Why do you think that fighters always say that the guy (A) who they beat is superior to/would beat the guy they lost to (B) if it comes down to A v B? This is something that happens without fail.
Besides, you disagree with Holmes yourself.
Stewbear
08-24-2007, 11:21 AM
if McCall & Rahman both Class B fighters.. can put Lewis lights out then Joe Frazier who is a Class A+ fighter would smash Lewis chin into a 1000 pieces .. Frazier K.O.1
If only boxing was as simple as ABC.
Not even sure if you know the alpabet yet....
Jazzo
08-24-2007, 11:23 AM
If only boxing was as simple as ABC.
I doubt that he will understand this.
Just use equations with the letters A,B and C in them. It may help.
Stewbear
08-24-2007, 11:25 AM
I doubt that he will understand this.
Just use equations with the letters A,B and C in them. It may help.
Now they would really confuse him.
Stewbear
08-24-2007, 11:30 AM
Frazier K.O.1
Well my friend I was going to argue a Lewis mid round ko, but with this outstanding analysis you have just given your prediction appears to be watertight.
achillesthegreat
08-24-2007, 11:39 AM
I go with Lewis 2 out of 3 or 4 out of 5.
Frazier has that hook but Lewis will read him well and time those advances. He'll box him, work the jab, use his feet well and as soon as he finds a home for his punches he'll begin to unlaunch. When Frazier is hurt, Lewis will be devastating.
Multiple kds and then its getting stopped.
He could out strength and over power Joe like George did but he won't. He'll box until its time to close the show.
Decker
08-24-2007, 12:11 PM
if McCall & Rahman both Class B fighters.. can put Lewis lights out then Joe Frazier who is a Class A+ fighter would smash Lewis chin into a 1000 pieces .. Frazier K.O.1 Frazier was a class A fighter for a 205# guy in the 70s. The other 2 guys are B+ fighters from the 90s who are a fair amount bigger than Joe. P4P Joe is better, but we're not arguing P4P here.
JF beat Ali (a smaller, slightly faster, but lesser punching version of LL) once in 3 fights, but he would smash LL chin into a 1000 pieces :nut :huh Only in your world.
Frazier K.O.1 :nono The slow starting Joe could not K.O.1 lesser fighters. It's one thing to be against certain fighters, but you've been displaying an illogical hatred toward LL. :verysad
Lose some money betting against Lewis?
Decker
08-24-2007, 12:21 PM
Good, short analyses by ThunderPower & Calabrese. Lewis would take 4 of 5 from Joe. It would take the Joe of Ali-Frazier I and a somewhat off prepared Lewis to produce a JF win.
FlatNose
08-24-2007, 12:21 PM
Lewis is not in Fraziers class.Smokin Joe would wear Lewis down to a nub, and Lennox would collapse around the 11th.
Vanboxingfan
08-24-2007, 12:24 PM
Lewis is not in Fraziers class.Smokin Joe would wear Lewis down to a nub, and Lennox would collapse around the 11th.
Just like Tua managed to do..:rofl
Lewis by TKO in the late rounds after seriously rearranging Frazier's face. Too much reach, size, skill and technique. I don't even think it would be that close...
:good
Decker
08-24-2007, 12:29 PM
Lewis is not in Fraziers class.Smokin Joe would wear Lewis down to a nub, and Lennox would collapse around the 11th. :lol: Reverse the names. Now you've got it. :D
Much like Foreman over Frazier.
I don't see the great Joe Frazier matching up well against big old Lummox Lewis.
I see a heavyweight version of Duran vs Hearns.
Lewis by brutal KO but Fraizer keeps trying to get up :lol: :good
Just like Tua managed to do..:rofl
You didnt just compare Tua to Joe Frazier did you? :nono
I take Lennox in the fight though, bad stylistic matchup for Joe Im afraid.
Fighters are really not to be trusted when it comes to this sort of thing, as they have an interest in who would win.
Especially when that fighter is Larry Holmes, who seems to ALWAYS have some agenda when picking fights.
if McCall & Rahman both Class B fighters.. can put Lewis lights out then Joe Frazier who is a Class A+ fighter would smash Lewis chin into a 1000 pieces .. Frazier K.O.1
Thats got to be one of the shittiest takes on a fight Ive heard in a long time.
Boxing just doesnt work this way.
Tyson and Holy were class A fighters as well. :deal
Vanboxingfan
08-24-2007, 01:12 PM
Thats got to be one of the shittiest takes on a fight Ive heard in a long time.
Boxing just doesnt work this way.
Tyson and Holy were class A fighters as well. :deal
Obviously boxing knowledge is not one of JLC's attributes. He's basically clueless.
Titan1
08-24-2007, 01:35 PM
It's a close pick, but I'm thinking Frazier stops Lennox late.Nobody coldcocked Joe, not even Foreman, so I'm thinking Lennox will be leading on the cards when Joe takes him out.
It's a close pick, but I'm thinking Frazier stops Lennox late.Nobody coldcocked Joe, not even Foreman, so I'm thinking Lennox will be leading on the cards when Joe takes him out.
If Foreman didnt coldcock Joe, what the hell was that?
box03
08-24-2007, 02:04 PM
Its an interesting match my gut tells me it would look something like the tyson/lewis match where tyson came out early throwing bombs then slowly declined with each passing round leading to an 8th round knockout I see this match going the same unless frazier catches lewis with a flash knockdown like he did against ali in there first match which is very possible the way lewis keeps his hands low at times
brooklyn1550
08-24-2007, 02:04 PM
I honestly can't pick...Frazier was a relentless dog, but Lewis had size, athleticism and skill.
Vanboxingfan
08-24-2007, 02:08 PM
I honestly can't pick...Frazier was a relentless dog, but Lewis had size, athleticism and skill.
Might want to add power to the equation as well.
Personally I don't think it would be all that close, stylewise, Lewis would be Frazier's worst nightmare come true. A huge, skilled, powerful heavyweight who uses his size extremely well and has a good jab and devastating uppercut to boot.
brownshell
08-24-2007, 02:11 PM
The Frazier that beat Ali would beat Lennox as well. Lennox has notthe heart to withstand the pressure Joe would bring. The Lennox that beat Tyson could beat Joe.
Jazzo
08-25-2007, 02:07 PM
The Frazier that beat Ali would beat Lennox as well. Lennox has notthe heart to withstand the pressure Joe would bring. The Lennox that beat Tyson could beat Joe.
That is just a dodgy intangible.
All elite fighters have a reasonable degree of "heart".
Strike
08-25-2007, 02:27 PM
I love the "If McCall and Rahman" crap that always comes out. Really McCall is the only valid example because in any hypothetical match up we are taking a focused and peak fighter in either corner. Against Rahman, Lewis was chubby, had not prepared for the altitude and totally complacent.
I do not call the Tyson who fought Douglas the peak Tyson. I do not call the Louis who fought Marciano peak and so on.
You can aruge that Lewis against McCall was at least peak in terms of physique and prep but he got up.
If being able to punch was all that was needed to beat Lewis then why the fuck did Tyson, Tua, Ruddock, Bruno etc fail?
Why is it that anyone thinks a fully focused Lewis with a healthy fear of Frazier gets destroyed? It is beyond me.
Lewis beat everyone he faced. Why didnt McCall and Rahman win the second fights? Because he was ready and had the fear factor..the respect. When Lewis was focused he wiped out pretty much everyone. How would Frazier get past the jabs and the big rights? He was OWNED by Foreman and Lewis hits as hard and has a better jab.
In a head to head at their peaks, Lewis actually comes better than he does in a general all time top heavy list.
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