Can he come back from this?

[FLINT ISLAND]

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[HairyHighlander]

yes

[TFFP]

If you think about it his career never got started at world level. At least he never proved himself as belonging at that level. To me he's a one hit wonder with his win over and older and inactive Braithwaite, that was a decent scalp. Other than that the only world class opponent he fought was Haye, we know what happened. Now this shock loss to an unheralded sparring partner for James Toney.

If I was Frank ****** I'd give up on this WBO route. Take him down to European level. Cruiserweight is very strong in Europe, it will be tough.

Based on how he seems to be lacking in the chin department, and also his mental lapses where he can be outboxing an opponent and then get clocked easily with hayemaker right hands...I think he may even struggle in Europe.

[TommyV]

No.

When you lack good boxing skills and can be knocked out by one-punch, your not going to rule at cruiserweight, it's a tough division.

[brown bomber]

With a fresh new start with a new trainer, he may have a chance.

[TommyV]

He needs a trainer around him 24/7 to stop him doing stupid things. Why the fuck did he think dragging tyres would be more beneficial in the lead up to a world title fight than sparring?

[debaser]

Yes he can. The cruiserweight division is not particularly strong and he has already beaten some world class opponents. A change of trainer may help but is not essental in my opinion.

[Grievesy]

I don't think he will be able to grab another title. All the champs either have more than enough power to put him out or will be able to outbox him comfortably, with perhaps the exception of the WBC belt holder Fragomeni. But I can't see him going through the EBU etc, to get a shot at the WBC.

[LHL]

I think he can comeback but to be a force would be over stretching it.

[achillesthegreat]

It's a mental thing for him as he is a good fighter. I'm going to be supportive and say yes.

[achillesthegreat]

Enzo was tired, took a few big rights hands that shook him but the coup de grace was when they were infighting and he got caught behind the ear. After that his body betrayed him and all that was needed was one big shot to seal the deal.

I'd put the tiredness down to lack of sparring.

[KCD]

No.

Plus i think Enzo seems to be falling out of love with the game, because in every other interview i hear him talikg about going to the UFC and MMA in general.

As for the boxing side he got hurt and ko'd by an ordinary puncher and i think if he does carry on he should change trainer and perhaps promoter.

[SouthpawSlayer]

of course he can, sure enzo hits as hard as bruno foreman and tyson and will some day venture up to heavyweight

noooooooooooooooooooooo he is finished

[FLINT ISLAND]

At his peak.............it didnt seem that long ago that Enzo was the best Crusierweight in the world and reigning WBO World Champion



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[FLINT ISLAND]

Rising force - Maccarenelli burst onto the scene as a big puncher bouncing back from a early career KO loss by winning the WBU title with a devestating KO of Bruce Scott he was also then voted young British Boxer of the year............................................................but now 2 KO losses to Haye and Ola have put his future in boxing in a cloud of doubt


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[El Cepillo]

No. He's just not very good, for the level he is fighting at.

[faisal]

hard to tell IMO, I'm of the few ppl who are of the belief that he was unlucky not to have been allowed to carry on against haye he should have gotten ko'd properly, if he landed a wild punch on hayes chin he could have sparked him, in this situation its quite hard to tell preperation obviously wasnt there, it will take him atleast 2-3 years before hes allowed any where near world class and by that time who knows what he has left

[doug.ie]

With a fresh new start with a new trainer, he may have a chance.

jeff...with a new start and a new trainer i would say he definetly comes back from it...

enzo mac has the goods waiting there for the right trainer to shape him a little...very little work to be done with him for the right trainer..it's the tatical side of things that needs to be worked on..
he is a LOT better than the ola defeat suggests.

[captain k]

no haye killed macca the fighter

[9Ball]

New trainer and he stands half a chance, the thing that worried me was the fact that Ola took the piss in the early rounds and Enzo seemed to lose heart...he didn't use his skills at all. Just tried to knock him out, bad idea. I hope he does come back stronger and better but I can't see it tbh.

[janitor]

He won the WBO title once so he can theoreticaly do it again.

He has potential and will always be a bit of a wildcard.

[Grant1]

Yeah I think he can.

He needs a trainer who is going to give him 100% commitment though.

If Enzo is that man then fine, but if he's not he needs to move on to preserve his career.

[icemax]

Enzo has a chance ,but it is very slim one and he will have to work his nuts off to achieve again. He needs to get away from the poison dwarf, and get to a decent gym which is out of his comfort zone where a trainer can concentrate on him, and him alone. He needs to drop all his barrel lifting antics and engage in proper training activity to build relevant strength and durability, and he needs to start all over again... British title, Euro etc. It will be good for him, and it will show us what type of a man he is.

[TFFP]

What was he thinking lugging barrells around as opposed to high quality sparring? Sparring is critical, it fine tunes everything and increases sharpness. Lifting barrells is likely to make minimal difference in comparison. Talk about priorities. Whoever trains him he needs to get in some proper cruisers/heavies to spar, whether he stays in Wales and pays for them to come in or go elsewhere.

I think he should fight Norton for the British title. That would be a decent fight. He should win that. Then fight a few European contenders. I think he'd come up short against the best, Kraj, Frenkel, Alexeev, Huck etc.

[sitiyzal]

At his peak.............it didnt seem that long ago that Enzo was the best Crusierweight in the world and reigning WBO World Champion



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Troll.

[mryeags]

Does he really know what he wants to do ? ... hes talking up the UFC , not sparring before a huge fight with Ola and carrying barrels around ..why ????? ...... I agree with most posts he needs a new trainer Enzo Calzs lost his enthusiasm now Joes retired ....

And to be honest Ola took his punches well and caught him with a nice shot down the home stretch ... why didnt Enzo macc use his brain and realise hes winning and box his way to a victory ! .... you dont need to tko every oppponent .

[FLINT ISLAND]

Troll.


Look at this troll sitiyzal trolling up my thread again.

To everyone else - thanks for your contribution to the thread.

Just because sitiyzal is a troll there is no need for him to go and ruin it for everyone else on the Brit forum:deal

[FLINT ISLAND]

Some people are saying Enzo is glassed chinned because he was KO'd by a non puncher

However while Enzo has got a bit of a dodgy chin - if you look at the stoppage he was floored from a good counter right hand that nailed him flush on the chin, but he got up ok from it. The reason why he got stopped on his feet was because the ref could see he was completly exhasted and had nothing left to give. Which points to something badly lacking in his conditioning rather than having a glass chin.

[TFFP]

Some people are saying Enzo is glassed chinned because he was KO'd by a non puncher

However while Enzo has got a bit of a dodgy chin - if you look at the stoppage he was floored from a good counter right hand that nailed him flush on the chin, but he got up ok from it. The reason why he got stopped on his feet was because the ref could see he was completly exhasted and had nothing left to give. Which points to something badly lacking in his conditioning rather than having a glass chin.
He was hurt numerous times in the fight, Flint. When Ola landed with a good punch it staggered Enzo each time, tired or not. And he probably got tired because he kept eating right hands. His stamina was fine when he was boxing rings around Braithwaite.

[Godfather]

Afolabi is fucking good. Having said that I think Maccarinelli should fight for the British title, get his confidence back and if he wins and wins well, he could work his way back onto the world stage

[surreal deal]

With 4+ belts around,sure he can come back;its not like he'd have to dethrone a Holyfield.
He'll win a vacant WBO again at some point,then be Ko'd a few fights later;then it starts again.
That process can go on for a few years yet.
He wont be an undisputed division number 1,but he'll be managed to a few more titles.

[TFFP]

I doubt it. He'd have to get more than fortunate to win any title. I mean how much easier is it going to be than Afolabi? That would have more or less put him in the position to get a shot.

I doubt he beats that Ramirez dude. That guy is tough as hell, would walk through Enzo and expose his glass chin.

He ain't beating Adamek, no way no how. Or Guillermo Jones.

[Govanmauler]

What was he thinking lugging barrells around as opposed to high quality sparring? Sparring is critical, it fine tunes everything and increases sharpness. Lifting barrells is likely to make minimal difference in comparison. Talk about priorities. Whoever trains him he needs to get in some proper cruisers/heavies to spar, whether he stays in Wales and pays for them to come in or go elsewhere.

I think he should fight Norton for the British title. That would be a decent fight. He should win that. Then fight a few European contenders. I think he'd come up short against the best, Kraj, Frenkel, Alexeev, Huck etc.

I am by no means having a dig , but I read somewhere that Kessler is no fan of sparring and only does it once or so a week.

[TFFP]

I don't think its that he's not a fan, he has chronic back problems. I think its a neccessity rather than a choice.

But when he does spar - he spars quality international opponents of his size. How the hell is sparring Bradley Pryce and Kerry Hope going to help a cruiser with world class ambitions.

[Govanmauler]

I don't think its that he's not a fan, he has chronic back problems. I think its a neccessity rather than a choice.

But when he does spar - he spars quality international opponents of his size. How the hell is sparring Bradley Pryce and Kerry Hope going to help a cruiser with world class ambitions.


LOL you have a point ! :lol:

Didn't know that bout the back issues , makes his success even more impressive

[Lee Mc]

I should get one thing straight of my chest...

I am a big Enzo fan and have been from his early career. He is also, by all accounts, a down to earth and lovely guy.

However, I don't think he ever was "World Class" or will he ever be. He got a W(arren) BO title shot because of his promoter and although the win against Braithwaithe was impressive it brought him up to a level that he couldn't stay at. He deserves to be in the top 10 but it is a very weak division and the best guys, Ademek, Cunningham, Banks and, possibly, Flores will always be too good for him.

[TFFP]

I disagree its weak. It might not have the star names, but it has so many guys that are at or slightly above Enzo's level. It's a very competitive division, especially over here in Europe.

Adamek
Cunningham
Jones
Banks
Flores
Fragomeni
Kraj
Frenkel
Alexeev
Huck
Arslan
Hide
Mormeck
Tokarev
Braithwaite
Ramirez
Afolabi!

There are a hell of a lot of good B level fighters, and honestly its tough to see how many of those Enzo beats. I'm not sure which of these names he beats to be honest, its hard to be optimistic for him.

[FLINT ISLAND]

I disagree its weak. It might not have the star names, but it has so many guys that are at or slightly above Enzo's level. It's a very competitive division, especially over here in Europe.

Adamek
Cunningham
Jones
Banks
Flores
Fragomeni
Kraj
Frenkel
Alexeev
Huck
Arslan
Hide
Mormeck
Tokarev
Braithwaite
Ramirez
Afolabi!

There are a hell of a lot of good B level fighters, and honestly its tough to see how many of those Enzo beats. I'm not sure which of these names he beats to be honest, its hard to be optimistic for him.


How you think that a Enzo V Braithwaite rematch would go now

Note: Braithwaite is now ranked much higher than Enzo in World Rankings as things stand

[DINAMITA]

It's over for him. You can't be the man at cruiserweight with a china chin. Adamek would bury Enzo.

[TFFP]

How you think that a Enzo V Braithwaite rematch would go now

Note: Braithwaite is now ranked much higher than Enzo in World Rankings as things stand
I don't know...Braithwaite didn't look any better just because he KO'd similarly shaky chinned Hernandez to boost his ranking. He was getting thoroughly outboxed until...BOOM! I would be confident Enzo could outbox him again...but I think his confidence may be shot and he's making stupid defensive errors.

Toss a coin.

Many of the other good boxer punchers like Kraj, Frenkel, Alexeev etc would KO him IMO. So would pressure fighters like Mormeck, Fragomeni and Ramirez.

[Grant1]

I don't think its that he's not a fan, he has chronic back problems. I think its a neccessity rather than a choice.

But when he does spar - he spars quality international opponents of his size. How the hell is sparring Bradley Pryce and Kerry Hope going to help a cruiser with world class ambitions.

I know Nathan King sparred Kessler in the run-up to the Calzaghe fight.

Don't know if he fits your description though.

[debaser]

I think he has a weak chin rather than a china one. Probably about on par with David Haye and certainly not of the Amir Khan variety.

He can definitely win another version of the world title. I, contrary to most of the opinion on here, think that the the cruiserweight division is actually quite weak so it would take him no time at all to get back into contention. It's all about getting the right matches. If he gets a rematch with Afolabi and wins (which I'm certain he would) all of a sudden he's right back in the mix.

[debaser]

As a side note, Calzaghe hardly did any sparring in his latter days. He would only pick it up when the fight was a matter of weeks away. So it's really down to the individual and what works for them.

[ron u.k.]

He could still have chance mainly because he can bang.It's always going to be a KO the other guy before he gets Koed scenario for him.However that knockout was more down to leaving his chin in the air than anything.How did he not see that right hand coming? It came from the back of the hall!

[sitiyzal]

Carl Thompson would've killed Enzo.

[TFFP]

As a side note, Calzaghe hardly did any sparring in his latter days. He would only pick it up when the fight was a matter of weeks away. So it's really down to the individual and what works for them.
His fight with Afolabi was not exactly a raving success so I might be tempted to say whatever he is doing, i.e. carrying (and drinking?) beer isn't working.

For 95% of boxers sparring is critical. Maybe Calzaghe can get away with it, but Enzo evidently can't. And many of the mistakes he made were typical of a fighter lacking preperation. Leaning in and failing to time shots, throwing too many punches..he wasn't aware of his own stamina because he lacked intense sparring...and a brain.

[debaser]

His fight with Afolabi was not exactly a raving success so I might be tempted to say whatever he is doing, i.e. carrying (and drinking?) beer isn't working.

For 95% of boxers sparring is critical. Maybe Calzaghe can get away with it, but Enzo evidently can't. And many of the mistakes he made were typical of a fighter lacking preperation. Leaning in and failing to time shots, throwing too many punches..he wasn't aware of his own stamina because he lacked intense sparring...and a brain.

Yup, agree with everything you said. The preparations for the Afolabi fight were fucked up, that's common knowledge by now and he needs to make sure that situation never arises again. My point is if he goes back and puts the basics right he can get back to where he was in my opinion.

[FLINT ISLAND]

I don't know...Braithwaite didn't look any better just because he KO'd similarly shaky chinned Hernandez to boost his ranking. He was getting thoroughly outboxed until...BOOM! I would be confident Enzo could outbox him again...but I think his confidence may be shot and he's making stupid defensive errors.

Toss a coin.

Many of the other good boxer punchers like Kraj, Frenkel, Alexeev etc would KO him IMO. So would pressure fighters like Mormeck, Fragomeni and Ramirez.

Based on their respective performance one after the other against David Haye - you would expect Mormeck to be a clear bookie favorite to beat Enzo

[Power]

No think he's finished and should go in ufc

[DINAMITA]

No think he's finished and should go in ufc

Yeah definitely. People with weak chins fucking thrive in the UFC.

[TFFP]

I think he should just go to British level and rebuild. If he can't beat Rob Norton it really is time to retire. He's probably made a few pounds defending his WBO title on Calzaghe undercards over the years...a nice enough career.

[barrington]

His chin no where near as bad as the many muppets on here like to suggest,however he is finished at world level now.I feel sorry for the bloke as he has never really made any money.

[FLINT ISLAND]

He told Bunce that Ola would never beat him again in another MILLION fights !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So he still seems to be super confident

Blamed the loss on something amiss - and revealed he went to the doctors monday morning for blood tests.

[FLINT ISLAND]

His chin no where near as bad as the many muppets on here like to suggest,however he is finished at world level now.I feel sorry for the bloke as he has never really made any money.

If he is finished then yes it must be disappointing that he never got paid and made alot more money than a world champion should

But least he can leave the sport with his health and good looks intact

[DINAMITA]

If he is finished then yes it must be disappointing that he never got paid and made alot more money than a world champion should

But least he can leave the sport with his health and good looks intact

Good looks?! :lol: He's one of the ugliest cunts in Britain! Even his own mother must hate that face.

Why should a short-term WBO champion fighting shite opposition have been made a lot more money than he actually did? Why??

[EireFightFan]

He's not finished just yet, as he still has a great dig and left hook to the body. I think it's all in the head for poor ol' Enzo.

[debaser]

I doubt there was anything physically wrong with him. His demise was down to poor preparation ultimately. Everybody likes to slate Enzo Calzaghe for this but Enzo Mac needs to take some of the blame too.

Whether he can get back to the top level or not really depends on him now. It does worry me to hear him talk so frequently about MMA. If he really wants to go into that he should do so coz he will have zero chance of getting any further in boxing if he doesn't have the necessary desire to work his way back into contention. It all rests on his head, hopefully he can get his enthusiasum back and we will get to see the real the real Enzo Mac again and not the ghost of him that sleepwalked it's way around the ring in his last fight.

Take nothing nothing away form Afalobi but Enzo is a much better fighter and he needs to get back to proving that in the ring.

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[FLINT ISLAND]

Enzo lives about 5 miles from me -

[Power]

Yeah definitely. People with weak chins fucking thrive in the UFC.

yeah i know the sted head faggots :lol:

[JonOli]

Enzo hasn't come back from the Haye KO yet, let alone Afolabi.

[rossd1506]

I voted yes but only if he gets himself a better trainer and background team. His preperations for his last fight were laughable, very little sparring and training in a beer cellar.

[Betty Swollocks]

no, i've said all along he's a glass-chinned journeyman with a padded record, and I was right all along.

[p.Townend]

Enzo will be back.

[mbrockett]

Enzo will be back.

oh he will be back alright, i heard from a mate that he's been offered a permanent position with a competitive wage at the Shepherd Neame brewery. good luck to him, i think he finally found his calling.

[barrington]

no, i've said all along he's a glass-chinned journeyman with a padded record, and I was right all along.No you were not.