View Full Version : Khan Vs Katsidis
HairyHighlander
04-05-2009, 04:43 PM
Cant remember if i mentioned it myself, might of been Kats Vs Arthur but anyway, would be a nice and exciting battle. Sure its easy to pick eithers gameplan and how it would run out............rather than asking a prediction, i will ask........would you like to see it ?
Thanks
HairyHighlander
04-05-2009, 04:46 PM
Dunno if it has already been posted up. Kats was talking of him so i wondered how you all saw it.
D-MAC
04-05-2009, 04:52 PM
Would I like to see it?
Hell Yeah! a really exciting match-up.
I don't think Frank would make the fight though; a hard-punching swarmer with bags of stamina is a bad style for Khan. Saying that, Katsidis is vulnerable to a punch himself.
Gaz S
04-05-2009, 05:04 PM
I think it would be quite an easy fight for Khan using his speed and movement... until Katsidis lands one. And it's hard to imagine going 10 or 12 rounds without being caught by at least one. Soon as he Katsidis clips him, it'll be like Prescott all over again. I think it's just a question of will it be sooner or later in the fight?
the beaver
04-05-2009, 11:27 PM
Khan is way too quick but Katsidis will always have that punchers chance.
northernstar83
04-06-2009, 12:14 AM
Would be a thrilling fight prob way 2 risky though
yesihavearm2
04-06-2009, 12:26 AM
How have you guys forgotten about Khan's chin already....
BANDWAGON MUCH ?
mcguirpa
04-06-2009, 03:25 AM
Hell yeah, I'd love to see it. I'd make Katsidis a stron favourite to win.
Katsidis would win in the first round. The first right hand Khan takes will leave him on Queer St..
Luckily for Khan, his chin is so bad, he won't get badly hurt.
Darni187
04-06-2009, 05:08 AM
Katsidis would win in the first round. The first right hand Khan takes will leave him on Queer St..
Luckily for Khan, his chin is so bad, he won't get badly hurt.
:lol:
Khan's fast foot work, and improved defence Katsidis will have a big task in finding a clean shot on Khan. Khan would counter him with fast combos in out working that jab. Gameplans is something which a top trainers like Roach sets out to his fighters, Khan having a weak chin, Roach will have him on the move waiting to take Kats in to laters rounds when Kats slows down and then maybe go in for the kill. MAB did land a few wild shots on Khan and he took them.
Khan win UD/ Late KO
flamengo
04-06-2009, 05:25 AM
From an Australian point of view.... bring it on. Most of the guys Kats has faught over the last 3 years have been faster than him. Khan is no different.
This will be a fantastic match up if it happens. Obviously the best match up since Tszyu/Hatton regarding Brit/Aust interest. We haven't recovered since Hatton punished Tszyu and would like some revenge. Even the cricket looks less than standard.
Will have a few $$ in favour of Hatton come fight time with Pac.
Cheers.
TehRileh
04-06-2009, 05:42 AM
From an Australian point of view.... bring it on. Most of the guys Kats has faught over the last 3 years have been faster than him. Khan is no different.
This will be a fantastic match up if it happens. Obviously the best match up since Tszyu/Hatton regarding Brit/Aust interest. We haven't recovered since Hatton punished Tszyu and would like some revenge. Even the cricket looks less than standard.
Will have a few $$ in favour of Hatton come fight time with Pac.
Cheers.
He might have fought guys fast, but none nearly as fast as Khan. I think khan could pick him off at ease, if he gets hit though then well, we all know.
zulander
04-06-2009, 05:46 AM
:lol:
Khan's fast foot work, and improved defence Katsidis will have a big task in finding a clean shot on Khan. Khan would counter him with fast combos in out working that jab. Gameplans is something which a top trainers like Roach sets out to his fighters, Khan having a weak chin, Roach will have him on the move waiting to take Kats in to laters rounds when Kats slows down and then maybe go in for the kill. MAB did land a few wild shots on Khan and he took them.
Khan win UD/ Late KO
Nonsense. Barrera found khan 3 times with 1 eye. Khan would be on the back foot for the whole of the fight back foot = less power and less room to work in.
Khan cant fight on the inside and was hurt to head and body by Gomez Katsides would KO kahn and as for Katsides slowing down late on i dont think you have seen him fight much and Katsides has proved he can go 12 rounds Amir hasnt.
I want to see Amir do well but he isnt ready for world class fighters yet. Your forgetting Katsides was giving Casomayor hell and had put him down before getting stopped himself.
it would be a good fight to watch while it lasted but i couldnt see it going more than 4/5 rounds and Khans career would be almost over
TehRileh
04-06-2009, 05:54 AM
Khan has gone 12 rounds btw. If Katsidis can get dropped badly by Earl, Khan can hurt him.
icemax
04-06-2009, 05:54 AM
Your forgetting Katsides was giving Casomayor hell and had put him down before getting stopped himself.
I love statements like these because they are generally made with absolutely no sense of irony at all. :thumbsup
You are spot on about Kat being one step too far for Khan at this moment in time.
Katsidis was decent this weekend. He still gets hit a lot, he's not very skilled or particularly fast. But he's a good puncher, and while he can be hurt he's got heart.
Pretty much a 50/50 fight, because I think Kat is the sort of guy that Khan could flurry to oblivion between rounds 1-5 and potentially stop even with his lack of power. After 5 or 6 rounds hes in big danger.
Darni187
04-06-2009, 06:03 AM
Nonsense. Barrera found khan 3 times with 1 eye. Khan would be on the back foot for the whole of the fight back foot = less power and less room to work in.
Khan cant fight on the inside and was hurt to head and body by Gomez Katsides would KO kahn and as for Katsides slowing down late on i dont think you have seen him fight much and Katsides has proved he can go 12 rounds Amir hasnt.
I want to see Amir do well but he isnt ready for world class fighters yet. Your forgetting Katsides was giving Casomayor hell and had put him down before getting stopped himself.
3 shots in 5 rounds is not bad, Roach will try getting Khan to improve on that. The sparring Khan has been doing in the Wild card must be working on the inside game, I heard he spared 112 rounds for the MAB fight. I dont see fittness a problem with Khan is one of the hardest trainers in boxing today and I think he has done full 12 two times without problems. Kats might start losing some of his power in the later rounds after Khan makes him miss/follow him around in the later rounds maybe Khan will have time the plant feet and land power shots.
brown bomber
04-06-2009, 06:29 AM
I agree with TFFP. As is the case with any Khan fight, at this level, anyone who has got a bit of a dig goes into the fight as Julian Jackson against Khan. Kats can bang harder then most. He's got heart. The fight sells.
Grant1
04-06-2009, 06:42 AM
This would be a cracking fight.
The 3 fights I'd like to see Khan in next, in order are -
1) Murray
2) Prescott
3) Katsidis
Darni187
04-06-2009, 06:47 AM
It's the case of if Khan gets careless in the early rounds, it could be all over. But I think he wont make them mistakes, but thats what makes it fun you dont know whats going to happen.
The early rounds? Try any round. His chin does not get stronger as the fight goes on, and infact he's more likely to get caught when he's overconfident later in the fight, or fatigue sets in and he is easier to get at. If he really has improved I don't think the Prescott scenario will be a regular occurence, I think he'll be more vulnerable later on.
Darni187
04-06-2009, 06:55 AM
The early rounds? Try any round. His chin does not get stronger as the fight goes on, and infact he's more likely to get caught when he's overconfident later in the fight, or fatigue sets in and he is easier to get at. If he really has improved I don't think the Prescott scenario will be a regular occurence, I think he'll be more vulnerable later on.
Good point
icemax
04-06-2009, 07:24 AM
Talking about Khans chin in a discussion about him fighting Michael Katsidis is a bit of a moot point. Katsidis is pretty heavy handed and any lightweight who gets in the ring with him is likely to feel his power at some time or other. If you have a near 80% KO record you have a chance of knocking anyone out.
Katsidis by TKO between rounds 4-7.
Plus Katsidis is a natural LW who is strong at the weight AND is a top 10 fighter at the weight. Khan hasn't faced a fighter like that yet (Prescott wasn't top 10)
I think Khan keeps Katsidis on the end of his jab for the first few rounds, maybe even hurting him but I doubt Khan can keep a good pressure fighter of him for 12 rounds. Sooner or later Katsidis' pressure starts to tell. He gets on the inside, Lands on Khan's jaw, knocks Khan out. :deal
threethirteen
04-06-2009, 08:33 AM
I can only see Katsidis winning this right now. He's got good footwork, punches faster than expected and will work on the inside and the the body - something I'm 100% sure Khan won't be able to deal with.
Khan will control distance early on, but without using Juan Diaz's tactic of turning Katsidis on the inside and keeping him from getting set, Khan will get clipped. It's as sure as the tide of the sea.
Katsidis wins this about round 7 when Khan tires, gets sloppy and takes some hard shots to the body.
achillesthegreat
04-06-2009, 08:50 AM
No one has fought Katsidis and been able to survive without taking a good dig. Kats is a bad fight for Khan now. He'll war for 12 rounds no problem. I'd be shocked if Frank made this.
Darni187
04-06-2009, 08:58 AM
If the Valero fight could be made it will be better IMO, Valero also punches hard but is a natural 130 and is 5'6 but now holds the WBC Lightweight belt, this could be a high risk, high reward but winnable fight for Khan.
Winnable my ass. Valero ain't some slow old guy. That guy is suprisingly quick and has killer instinct. He'd know exactly how to deal with a glass jawed fighter - and finish him.
Valero is a quality finisher if nothing else. Domestic level 130 pounders have given Khan trouble, imagine a guy who's fringe world class. He'd rape Khan.
Anyone seen Paulus Moses fight? If so, how would he match up with Khan?
Govanmauler
04-06-2009, 09:17 AM
katsidis is made for Khan in every way , except that he can bang
if the fight is in the UK I can imagine Khan getting a stoppage by just throwing and throwing but if Kats nails him I dont see Amir holding it
I watched a bit of Moses before he fought the Japanese lad in order to pick the fight. I correctly picked that he would win. He's okay. Okay - thats how I'd describe him. He's more of a boxer than a puncher despite his record, I think Katsidis and Valero would obviously be much bigger threats.
Valero is southpaw too, not to be underestimated. Khan has never fought a passable southpaw. Perhaps his sparring will help...but nothing replicates proper fights.
Darni187
04-06-2009, 10:10 AM
Winnable my ass. Valero ain't some slow old guy. That guy is suprisingly quick and has killer instinct. He'd know exactly how to deal with a glass jawed fighter - and finish him.
He is not faster than Khan, Khan is taller, Valero is easy to hit. I did say it's a high risk fight but is winnable, it can also go the other way.
Khan would have a great gameplan, little Valero will have to find that chin first, and Valero chin is not that great.
He is not faster than Khan, Khan is taller, Valero is easy to hit. I did say it's a high risk fight but is winnable, it can also go the other way.
Khan would have a great gameplan, little Valero will have to find that chin first, and Valero chin is not that great.
Compared to Khan Valero's chin is as great as Oliver McCall's. Khan's defence has improved but it's not great yet. Barrera tagged Khan a few times and hurt him, Gomez hurt him, Limond hurt him. Valero would fuck him up.
Darni187
04-06-2009, 10:22 AM
Compared to Khan Valero's chin is as great as Oliver McCall's. Khan's defence has improved but it's not great yet. Barrera tagged Khan a few times and hurt him, Gomez hurt him, Limond hurt him. Valero would fuck him up.
When did MAB hurt Khan?
When he landed a left hook on Khan's head and he looked unsteady. One of about three punches successfully landed on Khan. Ominous...
When did MAB hurt Khan?
He landed a hook, that slightly shook Khan. 2nd or 3rd round IIRC.
Darni187
04-06-2009, 10:28 AM
He landed a hook, that slightly shook Khan. 2nd or 3rd round IIRC.
:lol:
The way you talk about his chin, why didnt Khan go down? Khan took them wild swings and boxed on.
He might have been on his way against a younger fighter without a big gash in his head. It certainly shook Khan and it didn't seem a particularly hard or well timed shot.
Khan would be killed by Valero, I would put £1000 on it.
:lol:
The way you talk about his chin, why didnt Khan go down? Khan took them wild swings and boxed on.
So you are saying Khan has a decent chin?
Barrera was a natural SBW/FW and even then he wasn't a one punch KO artist. At LW when he's old and has lost his speed he isn't a danger.
brown bomber
04-06-2009, 10:34 AM
Valero is a lot better then people realise. I've got a vid of him dominating a prime Morales in sparring.... He'd had about 6 fights. Watch in his fights how he creates openings and how he can change his approach if required. He's a good fighter. We've had a few come through over the years like Randall Bailey, Acliano Freitas, Kelson Pinto, Mugabi with these great big KO percenages. Valero may turn out to be the best.
Darni187
04-06-2009, 10:35 AM
He might have been on his way against a younger fighter without a big gash in his head. It certainly shook Khan and it didn't seem a particularly hard or well timed shot.
Khan would be killed by Valero, I would put £1000 on it.
Well soon you might get your bet, sooner or later Khan will have to fight these guys.
Valero is a lot better then people realise. I've got a vid of him dominating a prime Morales in sparring.... He'd had about 6 fights. Watch in his fights how he creates openings and how he can change his approach if required. He's a good fighter. We've had a few come through over the years like Randall Bailey, Acliano Freitas, Kelson Pinto, Mugabi with these great big KO percenages. Valero may turn out to be the best.
Is this the vid Jeff?
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Darni187
04-06-2009, 10:36 AM
So you are saying Khan has a decent chin?
Barrera was a natural SBW/FW and even then he wasn't a one punch KO artist. At LW when he's old and has lost his speed he isn't a danger.
No, but you said MAB hurt him, i dont think so.
No, but you said MAB hurt him, i dont think so.
He definitely shook Khan.
I agree. I was quite shocked at his speed, and the timing and precision of the shot that initially knocked down Pitalua. He's a little bit cocky in defence but offensively I don't think he does much wrong. He wasn't that crude at all.
brown bomber
04-06-2009, 10:38 AM
No ishy... mine is a bit different i think plus its three rounds in a much quieter gym.
Once he had Pitalua hurt he didn't let him off the hook but let's not get carried away, Pit is 39 with a padded record. Has a KO win over Santa Cruz though.
No ishy... mine is a bit different i think plus its three rounds in a much quieter gym.
:good
I doubt Valero will be top of ****** and Roach's hitlist - Darni. Last time he faced an undefeated, South American KO artist it wasn't such a good look for him.
Moses would probably be an attractive target...
Darni187
04-06-2009, 10:43 AM
Tell me how can the WBC let someone like Pitalua ( punch bag) fight for the vacant title? people say Khan-MAB was bad.
Roach wants Valero for Khan, Bob Arum has mentioned it. I doubt ****** would take a trainer's recommendation on a fighter after the Prescott fight.
Tell me how can the WBC let someone like Pitalua ( punch bag) fight for the vacant title? people say Khan-MAB was bad.
Pitalua beat Armando Santa Cruz who was robbed against Casamayor for the interim WBC title. The WBC mandated a rematch but Casa didn't give it so the WBC gave Santa Cruz an eliminator against Pitalua.
Darni187
04-06-2009, 10:46 AM
I doubt Valero will be top of ****** and Roach's hitlist - Darni. Last time he faced an undefeated, South American KO artist it wasn't such a good look for him.
Moses would probably be an attractive target...
I would not let Khan fight Valero next, maybe end of year or early next year.
Pitalua probably isn't as bad as he looked if he managed to KO Santa Cruz. Nobody dealt with Santa Cruz like that.
I think Valero just fought extremely well, he never let him do anything. Valero's speed and power pushed him back so he couldn't get a shot off in the first. He was probably having a look. Then he just got caught with a really good shot..and its game over against a good finisher.
Darni187
04-06-2009, 10:51 AM
What would have Khan done to Pitalua?
Khan has little power, it would have been a longer night.
D-MAC
04-06-2009, 10:54 AM
What would have Khan done to Pitalua?
Got on his bike for 12 rounds and shoeshined the living fuck out of the old man.
Darni187
04-06-2009, 10:55 AM
Khan has little power, it would have been a longer night.
LOL little power, anyway I think 4th round KO win for Khan.
Darni187
04-06-2009, 10:56 AM
Got on his bike for 12 rounds and shoeshined the living fuck out of the old man.
:lol:
He does have little power. His power has never impressed. Where did he show great power?
Castle just did the same thing to Earl. Guy is shot beyond belief, ruined by Katsidis.
Ricky Burns, who ain't even a puncher at super feather KO'd Gomez, it took Khan hundreds of shots it seemed.
Hundreds of shots against Limond and that Danish dude too. He was literally pushing that guy back with like a dozen shots to the face until he fell down, and even then he was stopped by the ref.
He seems to specialize in ref stoppages with flurries of arm punches. Not one proper KO on his record. He has little power, just a lot of speed and punches.
Darni187
04-06-2009, 11:05 AM
He does have little power. His power has never impressed. Where did he show great power?
Castle just did the same thing to Earl. Guy is shot beyond belief, ruined by Katsidis.
Ricky Burns, who ain't even a puncher at super feather KO'd Gomez, it took Khan hundreds of shots it seemed.
Hundreds of shots against Limond and that Danish dude too. He was literally pushing that guy back with like a dozen shots to the face until he fell down, and even then he was stopped by the ref.
He seems to specialize in ref stoppages with flurries of arm punches. Not one proper KO on his record. He has little power, just a lot of speed and punches.
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All of Khan's stoppages have been TKO's. Never a clean KO
Wow, I'm impressed. A ref stoppage where the bum could have continued but as ever the Ref is just dieing to give Khan the stoppage.
He has little power in any one shot. He just has flurries of pitter pats that accumulate and result in Ref stoppages. Kinda like Calzaghe, although Calzaghe had the power to deck a great chin like Eubank, Khan has yet to show anything like that.
Darni187
04-06-2009, 11:15 AM
Wow, I'm impressed. A ref stoppage where the bum could have continued but as ever the Ref is just dieing to give Khan the stoppage.
He has little power in any one shot. He just has flurries of pitter pats that accumulate and result in Ref stoppages. Kinda like Calzaghe, although Calzaghe had the power to deck a great chin like Eubank, Khan has yet to show anything like that.
I agree he does not have great power, but he is still 22 and his power will improve, it all about punch timing, planting feet, making angles ect, something again will improve over time. But yeah he does not have one punch KO power, but his speed and combos make up for it.
I agree he does not have great power, but he is still 22 and his power will will improve, it all about punch timing, planting feet, making angles ect, something again will improve over time. But yeah he does not have one punch KO power, but his speed and combos make up for it.
The only time his power did impress me was against Fagan. He decked him properly there, his legs were completely gone as opposed to a guy just backing up and getting flurried into oblivion. That was quite impressive.
Maybe he is getting stronger with and more powerful with this regime - time will tell. I think he can get a bye for not hurting Barrera too much (cut aside), Barrera has a great chin. We'll see how he looks going forward.
zulander
04-06-2009, 11:19 AM
with respect the guy in the video isnt a world class fighter. Katsides, Diaz, Valero who are all being mooted definatly are
Darni187
04-06-2009, 11:22 AM
The only time his power did impress me was against Fagan. He decked him properly there, his legs were completely gone as opposed to a guy just backing up and getting flurried into oblivion. That was quite impressive.
Maybe he is getting stronger with and more powerful with this regime - time will tell. I think he can get a bye for not hurting Barrera too much (cut aside), Barrera has a great chin. We'll see how he looks going forward.
Even so MAB was cut Khan stuck to his gameplan of going in out, something which Roach must of told him, because the old Khan at times when he had MAB on the ropes would of went in for the KO and maybe even got taged doing so. Khan didnt really plant his feet vs MAB and was always on the move. I think they wanted to unload on MAB in the later rounds but we didnt get there.
zulander
04-06-2009, 11:32 AM
agreed the in out style suits amir perfectly and he was punch perfect against mab early doors but this was a faded legend who then got an horrfic cut which reduced his chances of winning to next to none. Amir needs another couple of learning fights another 2 faded vets who maybe have a little more in the tank would be fine tho i spose hype being what it is he will probably go in with prescott again this year
Darni187
04-06-2009, 11:37 AM
agreed the in out style suits amir perfectly and he was punch perfect against mab early doors but this was a faded legend who then got an horrfic cut which reduced his chances of winning to next to none. Amir needs another couple of learning fights another 2 faded vets who maybe have a little more in the tank would be fine tho i spose hype being what it is he will probably go in with prescott again this year
Yeah they should take their time, but with this PPV with BO , Khan will be in a title fight late this year ready or not.
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