Paul "The Punisher" WILLIAMS wins dominating decision over Ronald "Winky" WRIGHT

[TFFP]

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On the line

Non-title fight. Middleweight.

Stats & Facts

Williams:
Age - 27
Stance - Southpaw
Height / Reach - 6' 1" / 82"
Record - 36(27)-1(0)-0
KO ratio - 73%

Achievements:
Current Interim WBO Light Middleweight Champion
Former WBO Welterweight Champion

W TKO10 Walter Mathysse, W KO4 Sharmba Mitchell, W UD12 Antonio Margarito, W TKO1 Carlos Quintana, W TKO8 Verno Phillips

L UD12 Carlos Quintana

Wright:
Age - 37
Stance - Southpaw
Height / Reach - 5' 10" / 72"
Record - 51(25)-4(0)-1
KO ratio - 45%

Achievements:
Former Undisputed Light Middleweight Champion

W SD12 Bronco McKart, W UD12 Bronco McKart, W DQ8 Bronco McKart, W UD 12 Shane Mosley, W MD 12 Shane Mosley, W UD12 Felix Trinidad, W UD12 Ike Quartey

L UD12 Julio Cesar Vasquez, L MD12 Harry Simon, L MD12 Fernando Vargas, L UD12 Bernard Hopkins

D12 Jermain Taylor

What they say...


“I get a lot of people asking me why I’m not fighting. I tell them it has nothing to do with negotiations, it’s because no one wants to fight me. No one wants to fight Winky Wright. They say it’s about the money, but it isn’t that. I wanted to fight Pavlik and Calzaghe, I’d go to England to fight him if he wanted, but the fact of the matter is, no one wants to fight Winky.”

“I’m looking forward to the challenge, I want to show I’m more than a defensive fighter. Yeah I’m a defensive fighter, but I’ve never seen a boxer win a match without throwing punches. I’m definitely gonna need my defense against Paul, because he throws a lot of punches. I don’t go for the knockout, boxing is a sport and it takes more than that..” - Winky Wright

“I’m blessed to be here, and I’m ready to fight Winky. He’s a big name in boxing and I’m gonna try my best like in my past fights. I don’t do a lot of talking, I do my talking in the Ring. I just want to work hard and have a good time.” - Williams

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Odds
Bet365:

Williams - 2/5
Wright - 15/8

TV coverage

Hope to God Setanta pull through with this. According to poster ishy, Buncey has claimed they are hopeful of picking this fight up,

VOTE, ANALYZE, DISCUSS.

[TFFP]

I think this could be the most interesting TFFP "Vote, Analyze, Discuss" thread yet.

As I see it this is a proper 50/50, regardless of what the bookies think.

I think these styles will clash very well indeed.

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What do we make of Winky's Quotes?

[GazOC]

Willaims points/ late KO. Wright is semi-retired and is going to have his work cut out closing the distance.

[TFFP]

Interesting Gaz :think

When you say "close the distance", presumably you think Williams' little extra reach and speed is going to be crucial? As opposed to Winky's more technically correct jab that is a proven fight winner?

[GazOC]

Interesting Gaz :think

When you say "close the distance", presumably you think Williams' little extra reach and speed is going to be crucial? As opposed to Winky's more technically correct jab that is a proven fight winner?

Yep, Wrights been an amazing fighter with a great counterpunching style but his movement has never been that great (not that bad though, "economical" might be the right word), I think that Willaims will be able to dictate where, and a what range, the exchanges occur and use his reach and speed to get the better of them without needing to leave himself open to Wrights counterpunching.

Obvously Winkys age and recent inactivity also don't help his cause.

[TFFP]

Well I agree with the last part. The main reason I've favoured Williams is his youth, activity and freshness as opposed to a guy thats been sitting around and was last seen ballooning upto light heavy to fight Hopkins. That does not bode well against a guy with work-rate.

The one thing I am concerned about is say Wright does come into this fight surprisingly sharp and gets his trademark jab going, it IS a better, more accurate jab than Williams. And Williams is a fighter that likes to get things going off his jab, that fell apart against Quintana as he circled well making Williams fall short, and took advantage of Williams when he lunged in, nailing him every time with straight lefts.

If Winky can dictate proceedings with his jab then I can see him frustrating Williams and taking advantage of his errors.

[GazOC]

I'm giving Williams a "freebie" for the Quintanta, just a bad day at the office.

[glscotland]

I just got this funny feeling Winky Wright will give us another defensive masterpiece and win a solid ud.

[TFFP]

What, 12 rounds of "bad times at the office"?

To me it hinted at more of a lack of adaptability and lack of a brain if Plan A is not working because he fell for the same moves every time for 36 minutes. That's the reason I would worry for Williams if Winky's jab dictates things here as he'd then become the sitting duck he was against Quintana for counterpunches.

Still, I am going to take Williams as the odds tell me Winky is probably not going to be what he was even at a more comfortable weight and against a lesser fighter than Hopkins, Williams probably is going to be too active and sharp.

Either way I'm betting on the over!

[TFFP]

And vote..for christ sake!

The Brit Forum is on a 100% record. I think we have also got every single method of victory correct except the Urango fight, also.

[ishy]

I'm still not sold on Williams but I think he beats Winky.

Winky's had a long layoff and is coming back against a guy who's a physical freak and throws a 100 punches a round. Winky is something like 37 now? The layoff and Williams' activity will be too much for him.

[GazOC]

Sometimes, for whatever reason, fighters just don't perform. They arn't machines, maybe the Quintanta fight does show deficencies but until Willaims does it again I'm reserving judgement.

He may well fuck up against Winky but (IMHO) stylistcially at least the fight is Williams' to lose.

[TFFP]

I hear ya, but then I expect some signs from top fighters (and Williams is getting towards this category) that they can think on their feet and make changes, especially when we're talking about Quintana. I don't think Paul changed anything up during the course of that fight. He loved eating the left hands, falling in, not closing him down before throwing punches.

This fight is intriguing as they both have things going for them.

Williams has youth, regular fights lately, speed of foot and maybe hand at this point, work-rate certainly.

Wright has that experience, he's fought at middle and higher against better opponents, he has the better technique.

Bring it on :good

[ishy]

I hope Setanta pick this up, Bunce mentioned the other week that they're trying to get it.

[TFFP]

I hope Setanta pick this up, Bunce mentioned the other week that they're trying to get it.
Thanks - updated.

[pijo]

Winky UD.

This all depends on what Winky has left though but I'm sticking with Wright.

[Mace, Joe]

Williams via UD. I can't possibly see any other result

[GazOC]

For the record I voted for a Williams decision, Wright has shown a very good chin up to now.

[TFFP]

I don't see anything other than points. The over seems as sure as sure can be in boxing. Williams throws a lot, but he's not bringing power Wright ain't seen. He's fought Trinidad, Mosley, Taylor up at middle, Hopkins up at 170. Worst comes the worst Wright tucks up in his turtle defence.

Wright was never a puncher and Williams also has a good chin.

Free money guys!

[TommyV]

This is going to be the first time the Brit forum as a whole was wrong unless things change.

Winky UD.

[JIM KELLY]

Zzzzzzzzzz...

[trotter]

Williams on points. Easily. I don't see how Winky can even make it that close, Williams will totally outwork him from the outside. Winky will be left looking for the opportunity to counter that never arrives.

I know that might sound a bit overblown but I really can't see Winky getting a foothold in this fight.

He loses much of his technical brilliance when he is the aggressor - but he'll need to be aggressive to get into this fight. If Winky sits back and tries to counter Williams will just throw bunches of punches from the outside at no risk.

[girv]

Some say this is a boring fight but I dont see it like that. There are enough questions and a good mix of styles to make this interesting. Sure its not gonna be another Marquez v Vasquez but we have two top operators with plenty to lose.

If Winky loses then his days as a top fighter are effectivley done and if Williams loses badly then he may never be accepted as a top tier fighter.

The Winky that won every minute of every round against Trinidad would be a comfortable winner in this fight but that was 3 years ago? and who knows how much he has gone back since then, although Winky is such a technicaly correct defensive fighter that even if he has gone downhill he will no doubt be a very tough fight for Williams.

Paul Williams splits opinion everywhere, to some he is the second coming, the most feared and avioded boxer out there and to others he is simply overrated. I fall somewhere in the middle, he has a decent skill set, a reasonably hard shot although he is more likely to have success from an accumulation of punches. He has a great reach being freakishly large for a sometimes welterweight and has a fantastic workrate owing to a properly frugal training regime.

Hopkins and Mosley have already shown recently that there is still bite in the old dog yet and it is not impossible that Winky will put on a masterclass and shut out Williams but I reckon that Williams has enough youth, reach and above all energy to scrape a narrow points win.

Hope Setanta pick this one up.

[bored]

Williams on points. Was tempted to go for Winky and this is really tough to call but I think it's just too long out and Williams is ready to really kick on with his career now. Although guys like Hopkins and Mosley are really showing age isn't as big a barrier as it used to be I still think Williams wins.

[TFFP]

I don't know why people think this will be boring unless they expect blistering KO's every fight.

Williams always throws a lot of punches, upto 100 per round, which gives him and his opponent opportunities.

Wright has always been known as a high volume kinda guy too.

[girv]

I don't know why people think this will be boring unless they expect blistering KO's every fight.

Williams always throws a lot of punches, upto 100 per round, which gives him and his opponent opportunities.

Wright has always been known as a high volume kinda guy too.
I dont think it will be boring at all, there almost certainly wont be a stoppage but plenty of punches will be thrown and plenty of skill will be on display.

[KERRZO]

Williams late KO, Winky will surely be rusty and rangy Williams will stop him late!!!

[DINAMITA]

Fuck 'workrate', Winky's class will shine through as he thoroughly outboxes Williams in an entertaining fight for a clear UD.

[TFFP]

:lol:

I hear ya, but work-rate is always a key element whether we like it or not in modern boxing. How much of it is effective might be debateable if Winky sits in a shell and picks off the occasional counterpunch.

[Robbi]

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On the line

Non-title fight. Middleweight.

Stats & Facts

Williams:
Age - 27
Stance - Southpaw
Height / Reach - 6' 1" / 82"
Record - 36(27)-1(0)-0
KO ratio - 73%

Achievements:
Current Interim WBO Light Middleweight Champion
Former WBO Welterweight Champion

W TKO10 Walter Mathysse, W KO4 Sharmba Mitchell, W UD12 Antonio Margarito, W TKO1 Carlos Quintana, W TKO8 Verno Phillips

L UD12 Carlos Quintana

Wright:
Age - 37
Stance - Southpaw
Height / Reach - 5' 10" / 72"
Record - 51(25)-4(0)-1
KO ratio - 45%

Achievements:
Former Undisputed Light Middleweight Champion

W SD12 Bronco McKart, W UD12 Bronco McKart, W DQ8 Bronco McKart, W UD 12 Shane Mosley, W MD 12 Shane Mosley, W UD12 Felix Trinidad, W UD12 Ike Quartey

L UD12 Julio Cesar Vasquez, L MD12 Harry Simon, L MD12 Fernando Vargas, L UD12 Bernard Hopkins

D12 Jermain Taylor

What they say...


“I get a lot of people asking me why I’m not fighting. I tell them it has nothing to do with negotiations, it’s because no one wants to fight me. No one wants to fight Winky Wright. They say it’s about the money, but it isn’t that. I wanted to fight Pavlik and Calzaghe, I’d go to England to fight him if he wanted, but the fact of the matter is, no one wants to fight Winky.”

“I’m looking forward to the challenge, I want to show I’m more than a defensive fighter. Yeah I’m a defensive fighter, but I’ve never seen a boxer win a match without throwing punches. I’m definitely gonna need my defense against Paul, because he throws a lot of punches. I don’t go for the knockout, boxing is a sport and it takes more than that..” - Winky Wright

“I’m blessed to be here, and I’m ready to fight Winky. He’s a big name in boxing and I’m gonna try my best like in my past fights. I don’t do a lot of talking, I do my talking in the Ring. I just want to work hard and have a good time.” - Williams

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Odds
Approximately:

Williams -200
Wright + 170

TV coverage

Hope to God Setanta pull through with this. According to poster ishy, Buncey has claimed they are hopeful of picking this fight up,

VOTE, ANALYZE, DISCUSS.





Nice presentation mate. :good

[D-MAC]

I hate to go against Winky, but I've got the feeling this is gonna be a close fight that Williams will probably nick on workrate.

Williams will throw a lot more punches, land a few more, but Winky will land the more eye-catching blows.

I can see people arguing about the decision after the fight is over.

Saying all that it wouldn't surprise me if Winky won this wide, but my gut says Williams (the up-and-comer) squeeks home.

[Flea Man]

I don't think either guy is getting stopped.....Wright won't have his usual size advanatges, Williams will hit only gloves.....Williams UD via workrate in a fairly unexciting fight (due to Winky's pillows rather than Williams)

I genuinely think, and I ain't kiddin', that P-Dub will win every round. Williams is all wrong for Winky.

[trotter]

I don't think either guy is getting stopped.....Wright won't have his usual size advanatges, Williams will hit only gloves.....Williams UD via workrate in a fairly unexciting fight (due to Winky's pillows rather than Williams)

I genuinely think, and I ain't kiddin', that P-Dub will win every round. Williams is all wrong for Winky.

Very much my reading of this fight too.

[Grievesy]

I don't think either guy is getting stopped.....Wright won't have his usual size advanatges, Williams will hit only gloves.....Williams UD via workrate in a fairly unexciting fight (due to Winky's pillows rather than Williams)

I genuinely think, and I ain't kiddin', that P-Dub will win every round. Williams is all wrong for Winky.

More or less my thoughts, although I think it will be quite close.

[kosaros]

Williams UD for me, he is just the younger and fresher of the two.

[Smith]

I really don't fucking know and its doing my head in, its been a long long time since I can't get a fight through my head and make a prediction.

I'll decide ten minutes before the fight.

[The 1-2 Kid]

This is it. Paul's coming out fight or going nowhere. Winky is a durable guy with two impressive winngest against a guy he's mentally beaten since they where amateurs (Mosley) and a paid day seeking Trindad, that stiil can't break Don King's fight contract. The Vargas fight was close, but Vargas was never a true world class fighter.

If Williams is a self-seeking missile that hopes to rearrange boxing history, here it is.

[yesihavearm2]

This is it. Paul's coming out fight or going nowhere. Winky is a durable guy with two impressive winngest against a guy he's mentally beaten since they where amateurs (Mosley) and a paid day seeking Trindad, that stiil can't break Don King's fight contract. The Vargas fight was close, but Vargas was never a true world class fighter.

If Williams is a self-seeking missile that hopes to rearrange boxing history, here it is.


Stop posting

[Gaz S]

I think Winky's age and lack of activity plays right into Williams' hands. Paul will be too busy, too fast and too sharp. Definitely the wrong type of opponent to come back against after a 2 year lay off.
Williams by UD

[catasyou]

Williams should win a decision on workrate if not anything else.Winky is done.Not past his prime but done.I hope he doesn't get KO'd.
Btw why the hell do you always make these here?Make'em in the general.

[D-MAC]

Williams should win a decision on workrate if not anything else.Winky is done.Not past his prime but done.I hope he doesn't get KO'd.
Btw why the hell do you always make these here?Make'em in the general.

Because he's after educated opinion.:deal

[D-MAC]

This is it. Paul's coming out fight or going nowhere. Winky is a durable guy with two impressive winngest against a guy he's mentally beaten since they where amateurs (Mosley) and a paid day seeking Trindad, that stiil can't break Don King's fight contract. The Vargas fight was close, but Vargas was never a true world class fighter.

If Williams is a self-seeking missile that hopes to rearrange boxing history, here it is.

:rofl:huh:twisted:

[TFFP]

Because I'm not interested in the views of the General. I'm interested in the views of the people here.

[brown bomber]

This is it. Paul's coming out fight or going nowhere. Winky is a durable guy with two impressive winngest against a guy he's mentally beaten since they where amateurs (Mosley) and a paid day seeking Trindad, that stiil can't break Don King's fight contract. The Vargas fight was close, but Vargas was never a true world class fighter.

If Williams is a self-seeking missile that hopes to rearrange boxing history, here it is.I agree.... Vargas is just a glorified club fighter who just happened to be an olympian, world champion and beat Yori Boy Campus, Winky Wright, Ike Quartey, nearly beat Mosley, floor trinidad and score various othr world class victories. Well done mate. In future post here.

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[Evil Dead]

do all the newbies get sent to the GF is they fail here??:yep

[brown bomber]

do all the newbies get sent to the GF is they fail here??:yep:lol:Yes... thy get banished.... but some... despite failiure stay..... I now hve 6,000 odd posts..:D

[brown bomber]

TFFP... I can't really pick a winner.... Winkys inactivity will hurt him a bit but his style relies almost entirely on his tortoise defence and jab neither of which are going to be too affected by the lay off. Williams is the man on the up but margarito is a long way removed from Winky. Safe bet would be Winky UD but Williams may have the drive and workrate to nick a very close one.

[TFFP]

Jeff Thomas and Jamie Moore - Ex Pros disagree.

Jamie thinks Williams will stop Wright, very big call.

[9Ball]

Wililams by UD ina complete borefest. Styles wont gel well and I see Winky making this a very ugly fight. will still be watching though ;)

[brown bomber]

Jeff Thomas and Jamie Moore - Ex Pros disagree.

Jamie thinks Williams will stop Wright, very big call.:D That will be pretty sensational. It could happen..... If it does Williams really needs to get a bit of credit. I always feel that when you are introduced to someone via an article that starts 'the forgotten man of boxing' you instantly dismiss them subconsiously. Making that rise even harder.

[Beeston Brawler]

If Williams does stop Wright he would deserve a great deal of credit...... granted Wright hasn't been in action for the best part of two years, but has never looked like being taken out before and will be fighting at his optimum weight, up against an opponent with only a single relevant win (Phillips) above 147.

I will take the safer option of Williams on points..... workrate will be the key here, it impresses the US judges more than defence, or seems to anyway.

[catasyou]

Because he's after educated opinion.:deal

Because I'm not interested in the views of the General. I'm interested in the views of the people here.
I see your points.
The general is full of nuthuggers and idiots but you could just ignore they're posts.

[TFFP]

It's not so much the nuthuggers and trolls (although this is a problem) but the fact I want to specifically hear from the people here. There will be plenty of these threads floating around in there already.

[antcull]

Winky has the skills to thoroughly outbox Williams, I just can't decide how much the inactive Winky has left, if this was the Winky of a few years ago, its an easy pick.

I think he will roll back the years, I'm going for Winky 116-112 :good

[yesihavearm2]

I think Wright will put on a vintage performance. Winky's excellent counter-punching combined with the fact that Paul Williams gets tagged on the counter...a lot....should make for a great sync.

I fully expect Wright to outfox Williams, with Williams winning a few rounds via workrate.

7-4-1 to Wright

[brown bomber]

If Williams does stop Wright he would deserve a great deal of credit...... granted Wright hasn't been in action for the best part of two years, but has never looked like being taken out before and will be fighting at his optimum weight, up against an opponent with only a single relevant win (Phillips) above 147.

I will take the safer option of Williams on points..... workrate will be the key here, it impresses the US judges more than defence, or seems to anyway.Vsquez???:huh

[Olu G. Rotimi]

2 quality skilled operators. I think Williams gives anybody he fights serious problems but then so does Wright. If pushed will probably veer slightly towards Williams on points at this stage of their respective careers and Williams having a lot more activity of late. I think Winkay has been out of the ring for 21 months.

[TFFP]

This is the RBR, bitches

[ishy]

How many of us are there?

[GPater11093]

ishy and TFFP can you email me [Only registered and activated users can see links] ,as i think Wright will last the distance but will lose a close UD, for your you know what

[GazOC]

The usual suspects!!:D

[ishy]

..........

[El Cepillo]

What kind of time we looking at for the fight?

Amazingly I'm still awake at the moment, so I might consider watching it somewhere later

[GPater11093]

I'm getting this off a subscription radio channel, you've got to pay for it. You want the frequency?

im looking for a free frequency but you got th PW

[El Cepillo]

Just out of interest, if Winky were to win a wide UD, and look good doing so, where would this win rank amongst his best do you guys think? :huh

[TFFP]

Mosley X2
Trinidad
Williams
Taylor

I would rank the Taylor draw higher because he was a proven middleweight champion, but the context of this fight is different.

[GazOC]

Just out of interest, if Winky were to win a wide UD, and look good doing so, where would this win rank amongst his best do you guys think? :huh
Right up there IMHO, Williams isn't quite the fighter some people seem to think but he's still a pretty big ask for Winky at this stage in his career.


BTW the "a" just snapped off my keyboard, please excuse any typos I make tonight!!! (Assuming they involve an "a")

[Primadonna Kool]

for the 47th time.

When the fuck is Winky fighting...?

[ishy]

for the 47th time.

When the fuck is Winky fighting...?

I told you in the other thread, around 4am.

[El Cepillo]

Right up there IMHO, Williams isn't quite the fighter some people seem to think but he's still a pretty big ask for Winky at this stage in his career.


BTW the "a" just snapped off my keyboard, please excuse any typos I make tonight!!! (Assuming they involve an "a")

I haven't had a delete key for years, you'll learn to adapt :good

[TFFP]

How the fuck are we supposed to know? The undercard fights could end in round 1 or 12. It's West Coast so I wouldn't expect an early night, they'll probably be in the ring around 4.

[GazOC]

I haven't had a delete key for years, you'll learn to adapt :good

nd dpt I will!!!!

[El Cepillo]

I told you in the other thread, around 4am. No one can give a specific time. I'd love to see 'Winky starts his ring walk at 4.07am' but I can't!

Thats to late for me, 'specially because I will probably end up watching some fuzzy shite picture.

g'night all :good

Hope the Winkster schools him :bbb

[TFFP]

G'dam Pussy.

[ishy]

What the fuck am I going to do between now and 2.30?

[TFFP]

Set your phone alarm and sleep. I'm seriously considering this.

[ishy]

Set your phone alarm and sleep. I'm seriously considering this.

Wouldn't work, I'd nod off. Anyway the 'Thrilla in Manilla' doc starts in 30 mins so might just watch that.

[Grievesy]

Have a wank.

[GPater11093]

ishy PM me pleae

[ishy]

Have a wank.

:think nice idea.....

[GazOC]

ishy PM me pleae

I think Ishy watches these fights at the same place I do...

[ishy]

/.//

[D-MAC]

:think nice idea.....

Do what Rico Spadafora does.

Put on a top ten Ko's highlight reel and wank yourself into an early grave.

This is one of the better ones:

C69SNL5IdT4

No.3 (Ike Williams v Beau Jack) is particularly brutal in my opinion.

[ishy]

:lol:


I've seen the Williams-Jack one, brutal stuff. The ref should have stopped it waaay earlier.

[GPater11093]

ishy cheers for the moral (couhg) support

[ishy]

ishy cheers for the moral (couhg) support

no worries ;)

[GPater11093]

no worries ;)

i think it helps but just have to wait and see

[D-MAC]

:lol:


I've seen the Williams-Jack one, brutal stuff. The ref should have stopped it waaay earlier.

Well, Williams basically called the stupid fuck in, but then had to throw a few more bombs to convince him that Jack was gone.

[ishy]

Are all you fuckers still here?

[Dan684]

Ishy what time is the fight on ? Around 4 as usual ? I'm working nights can't watch it but anywhere doing r by r ?

[One Punch KO]

Indeed.

Watching the start of Arreloa v McCline.

[ishy]

Ishy what time is the fight on ? Around 4 as usual ? I'm working nights can't watch it but anywhere doing r by r ?

Yeah, around 4 mate. There should be a rbr if there;s more people here.

[Dan684]

Sound mate thanks, any news on the Arreola-McCline fight ? Only arsed for my prediction league

[ishy]

That's going to be shown first. Should start in about 15-20 mins.

[Dan684]

Great. Got Arreola winning Middle KO. Its a joke the way them two look. There supposed to be pro's thats the prob with HW div (Apart from Haye and Klitschko's)

[ishy]

Arreola 250+ lbs and McCline 270+ lbs :-(

[GazOC]

Indeed.

Watching the start of Arreloa v McCline.

Eh? What the hell am I watching then?

[ishy]

Eh? What the hell am I watching then?

24/7 is just finishing for me!

[SouthpawSlayer]

that 24 7 was shite, mayweather senior is a crack head

[One Punch KO]

That should have read 'Going to be watching'.

:p

Not watching 24/7 - any good?

[SouthpawSlayer]

it aint started yet quality is kinda crap might pay for a better reception

[Dan684]

Ha Ha. Anyone else do the Boxing Prediction League? Not the one on this website the other one ?

[Bonavena25]

Always nice to watch a bit of Lampley and Merchant.

Can't believe the Mccline fight hasn't even started yet.

[GazOC]

That should have read 'Going to be watching'.

:p

Not watching 24/7 - any good?

Thank fuck for that!!:lol:

24/7 was OK, Pacs camp looks VERY professional.

[ishy]

Mike Buffer doing the intros for Arreola-McCline.

[ishy]

Here we go...

[GazOC]

McCline doesn't seem to fancy this at all.

[SouthpawSlayer]

arreola takes the first rd looks ok

[GazOC]

2-0 Arreola

[SouthpawSlayer]

nice body shots by ca hurting mccline and jm breathing hard

[D Coldwell]

what is this on???

[ishy]

what is this on???

tinternet

[ishy]

McCline not doing much tbh.

[teessider]

any1 else havin probs?

[Grievesy]

OMFG!! stream cut out! Relying on you lot for a round by round now.

[SouthpawSlayer]

2 - 1

[djoc175]

Heavy donuts:rofl:rofl

[ishy]

Heavy donuts:rofl:rofl

Another great Merchant quote.

[teessider]

back in action

[djoc175]

JM down for those who can't see.OVER!!!

[ishy]

McCline down!!! It's over!!!!!!

[djoc175]

Arreola is heading for a great fall

[Dan684]

What round ? Please 5

[djoc175]

Another great Merchant quote.
:lol:Its right up there

[ishy]

What round ? Please 5

4, you were 1 off

Great combination to finish McCline off.

[Mandanda]

arreola worked that beautifully but mcline didnt fancy the job after about 20 seconds could see him give up.

[SouthpawSlayer]

stream cut and i missed the ko

[djoc175]

Manny Steward talking him up so a potential W over Arreola for Wladimir would look more impressive.Clown-he must read ESB

[One Punch KO]

All over in the 4th round.

I'm still not sold on Arreola though.

[Dan684]

Swines ROUND 4 !! Me thinks that now he's gonne start thinking he's invincible and try less to shift the pounds !

[ishy]

Manny Steward talking him up so a potential W over Arreola for Wladimir would look more impressive.Clown-he must read ESB

:lol: 'Wlad would have to fight, he won't be able to jab and hold'. Even Manny admits Wlad's negative.

[djoc175]

Swines ROUND 4 !! Me thinks that now he's gonne start thinking he's invincible and try less to shift the pounds !
Try less?Hes not trying atall.

[SouthpawSlayer]

arreola is funny

[TFFP]

Yeah McCline didn't fancy the job. Could see it in his face when he got hit the first time. I think he coulda got up had he really had the desire.

Arreola did okay though. His accuray was pretty good, and his handspeed is not bad for a fat guy. The thing he does well is to get into range before punching, limits how open he is to counters.

[ishy]

I thought you'd fallen asleep TFFP!!


HBO really hyping Arreola.

[djoc175]

:lol: 'Wlad would have to fight, he won't be able to jab and hold'. Even Manny admits Wlad's negative.
:lol: I guess he is part responsible

[Dan684]

djoc175 - True

[ishy]

Hatton's ringside, been interviewed by Lampley.

[djoc175]

Hatton could record all this shit save him saying it over and over..........

[Mandanda]

please don't tell me hattons questioning mannys speed.

[JonOli]

Cricky how desperate are HBO clearly clinging for a US big time fighter...


Chris Arreola is never it..

[One Punch KO]

No surprise to see HBO get behind any American who might be a heavyweight contender, its just good business.

[JonOli]

Hatton talking about winning the "P4P championship" cricky don't let some on ESB hear that....

[GazOC]

Cricky how desperate are HBO clearly clinging for a US big time fighter...


Chris Arreola is never it..

Jermaine Taylor MK II.

[ishy]

Williams entering the ring....

[Mandanda]

ere we go

[Mandanda]

merchants really building this fight up well...... lol

[SouthpawSlayer]

Hatton talking about winning the "P4P championship" cricky don't let some on ESB hear that....


hatton thinks he will be p4p best if he beats manny:huh:huh:huh you sure he said that i went for a piss

[GazOC]

Williams UD.

[JonOli]

hatton thinks he will be p4p best if he beats manny:huh:huh:huh you sure he said that i went for a piss


I don't mind Hatton, but he did yea... lol said he was fighting for the p4p championship, again after fighting Floyd for it previously.

He's said elsewhere he knows what he needs to do to be p4p no1 so hes obviously just promoting himself.

Anyway, fight about to start..

[1stcontact]

how the hell is Cortez still getting big fights???:huh:blood:-(

[ishy]

Williams throws a shit load that round but Winky catches most of tbem on his gloves.

[Mandanda]

williams jab cant keep winky off, winkys coming in nice and tight and popping him with jabs and straight lefts. winky just cant fall into williams uppercut. williams needs to pick punches not just throw 4 and 5 and they mean nothing to winky.

[SouthpawSlayer]

this is looking good, setanta shoulda got this

[Mandanda]

i see a knockdown coming there both opening up at same time. lil counter shot just who lands it first imo.

williams 2 rounds up

[safe_pa]

this is looking good, setanta shoulda got this

I wish they did, I hate watching fights on my monitor.

[1stcontact]

Winky's marking up

[SouthpawSlayer]

I don't mind Hatton, but he did yea... lol said he was fighting for the p4p championship, again after fighting Floyd for it previously.

He's said elsewhere he knows what he needs to do to be p4p no1 so hes obviously just promoting himself.

Anyway, fight about to start..

i was joking buddy i think i have heard it in every hatton interview since the fight was made

[JonOli]

Williams looking good at the mo...

[JonOli]

i was joking buddy i think i have heard it in every hatton interview since the fight was made

I obviously don't watch/read as many Hatton interviews as you.;)

[SouthpawSlayer]

williams up 1

his uppercuts are sweet

[JonOli]

I fancied Wrights chances after seeing round 1, not so sure now... looking very good for Williams..

3-0 williams 2-1 at worst

[SouthpawSlayer]

wright fighting back but have to give the round to williams

[Mandanda]

at the moment williams is boxing beautifully, creating angles and moving and his punch variation is top class just feel winky has something to pull out in this fight. williams 4 up so far but winkys not out of this he's shown that just feel he needs to pick it up or really punish the punisher otherwise he gonna lose a big ud decision.

[GazOC]

I fancied Wrights chances after seeing round 1, not so sure now... looking very good for Williams..



Yep, me too. It looked like Wright may have his number in the first (that I scored for Wright) but Williams is looking comfortable in rounds 2 and 3.

[One Punch KO]

My Wright UD prediction isn't looking hot so far, but I'd give him that round.

[Dan684]

Yeah One Punch I had Wright by decision hoping he turns it round. I'm doing well in the league need the win !

[SouthpawSlayer]

who saw that uppercut thrown by williams under his own arm

[GazOC]

Williams arms are so long he can just punch around Winkys peek a boo guard at lot of the time.

[Mandanda]

wright has picked up last two rounds for me. he needs to snap jab and circle away from williams left uppercut. and land left hands over the shoulder. he picking it up so now.

[GazOC]

I have Wright winning the 1st and 7th.

[1stcontact]

Wow they showed the ringcard girl

[P4PNo.1]

What do people have the score as?

[TFFP]

This guy is a punching machine. Very impressive.

[SouthpawSlayer]

wright is getting battered, williams must have thrown a million punches in that round

[GazOC]

Williams >4 rounds up IMHO.

[Mandanda]

78-74 williams
winky has not shown enough to win this he needs to go out on shield now or he lose a ud

[Grievesy]

Williams >4 rounds up IMHO.

Yep, I've got the same.

[SouthpawSlayer]

pure class

[1stcontact]

Winky got roughed up in that round

[TFFP]

PW is impressing me a lot. We always knew he could throw all kinds of punches but he's showing me something tonight. His defence is very good, the way he's moving his head, ducking down, very subtle moves. He shows all kinds of angles, its got to be very difficult to deal with.

[SouthpawSlayer]

winky getting schooled dont see this too often (except bhop)

[safe_pa]

Did I just hear Winkys corner say they were going to stop the fight?
Williams is very good, I like him.

[Grievesy]

I've gotta say, even though I picked Williams to win, I didn't expect him to be dominating Winky in this way. I thought it would be quite close. So much for some people saying that Winky was all wrong for Williams.

[Mandanda]

PW is impressing me a lot. We always knew he could throw all kinds of punches but he's showing me something tonight. His defence is very good, the way he's moving his head, ducking down, very subtle moves. He shows all kinds of angles, its got to be very difficult to deal with.

agreed but i do agree with merchant on the big punching middleweight thought can he get away with some of the things he does. the thing is paul can still improve and tonight he's looking sensational.

[SouthpawSlayer]

williams is gonna stop him in the 12th

you heard it here first fellas

[TFFP]

I don't know, I think Abraham would struggle with this. You can't throw one punch a round and expect to stay with this guy, and he's not that easy to tag regularly, and he's shown a good chin.

Pavlik would be difficult.

[GazOC]

williams is gonna stop him in the 12th

you heard it here first fellas


No chance.

[Evil Dead]

No chance.
winky is just too old now for this style of fighter

[Mandanda]

I don't know, I think Abraham would struggle with this. You can't throw one punch a round and expect to stay with this guy, and he's not that easy to tag regularly, and he's shown a good chin.

Pavlik would be difficult.

yeah i just watched a clip paul leans back and he really turned sideways giving winky nothing to aim at and saying to winky lean into hit me and im gonna blast you with uppercut and abraham again uses the shell like defense i think pavlik would have more joy but even kelly at times defensively looks bamboozled under pressure i can see paul laying a beating on him to.

[Grievesy]

Williams UD. Surprisingly wide. Should be moving on up the prediction league with this win. Quite a few picked Winky I think.

[1stcontact]

Wow the trading at the end:happy

[TFFP]

Williams ain't even tired.

Steward is right...this guy is fucked up.

[GazOC]

winky is just too old now for this style of fighter

I know, he didn't get stopped though.....

[SouthpawSlayer]

No chance.

he was going for it till wright rocked him, i actually gave the last round to wright

[Mandanda]

117-111 williams and tbh i can see people having it more clear then that.

[SouthpawSlayer]

120 108 shit

[ishy]

119-109 x2, 120-108 williams

[Grievesy]

Can't wait to see where Williams goes now.

[TFFP]

I wouldn't argue too much with that. I saw 2 for Winky.

[SouthpawSlayer]

williams calls out larry merchant for 5 rounds now thats something that would generate high ppv

[GazOC]

:lol:

2 people voted for Williams to win on points AFTER the fight finished!!!!:patsch

Own up fuckers........

[Evil Dead]

I know, he didn't get stopped though.....
yeah he defence is still pretty good, a less atcive fighter and i think he still can compete at world level
oh did you try the pepper on the nuts? i see your still awake haha

[SouthpawSlayer]

he calls out calzaghe too

[ishy]

:lol:

2 people voted for Williams to win on points AFTER the fight finished!!!!:patsch

Own up fuckers........

:lol::lol:

[TFFP]

Called out Calzaghe. That would be a punching frenzy.

[1stcontact]

Was he just talking about Calzaghe just now:huh

[antcull]

Didnt expect Winky too look so old :(

Time to retire Winky

[1stcontact]

:lol:

2 people voted for Williams to win on points AFTER the fight finished!!!!:patsch

Own up fuckers........
:rofl:rofl

[GazOC]

yeah he defence is still pretty good, a less atcive fighter and i think he still can compete at world level
oh did you try the pepper on the nuts? i see your still awake haha

:lol: Nah mate, I just got a second wind watching the Hatton-Pac 24/7. Thanks for the tip though!!:good

[TFFP]

:lol:

2 people voted for Williams to win on points AFTER the fight finished!!!!:patsch

Own up fuckers........
:lol:

I'll keep tally of this in future.

Anyhow..Brit forum got it right again. I think we always will until the favourite doesn't win.

[JonOli]

:lol:

2 people voted for Williams to win on points AFTER the fight finished!!!!:patsch

Own up fuckers........

:hi:

he he...

[Grievesy]

:lol:

I'll keep tally of this in future.

Anyhow..Brit forum got it right again. I think we always will until the favourite doesn't win.

Or until a Brit is fighting.

[Evil Dead]

:lol: Nah mate, I just got a second wind watching the Hatton-Pac 24/7. Thanks for the tip though!!:good
was it me or did they tend to focus 70% on pac and 30% on hatton, found that a bit annoying.or maybe its coz im drunk and wanted to see more of hatton

[JonOli]

Impressed by Williams tonight. I think in some ways he looks better at the weight.

The only question mark perhaps is his power... he defo doesn't have KO power, does he have enough to keep the busier bigger guys off... keep them on the outside... having said that he strangely looks OK up close as well..

[GazOC]

:lol:

I'll keep tally of this in future.

Anyhow..Brit forum got it right again. I think we always will until the favourite doesn't win.


Hatton-Pac?:p;)

[Evil Dead]

Impressed by Williams tonight. I think in some ways he looks better at the weight.

The only question mark perhaps is his power... he defo doesn't have KO power, does he have enough to keep the busier bigger guys off... on the outside... haveing said that he strangly looks OK up close as well..
his power did look bad tonight because he rarely hit clean, winky defence was still good enuff not to get hit flush much

[JonOli]

his power did look bad tonight because he rarely hit clean, winky defence was still good enuff not to get hit flush much


His power isn't that great at WW though.. I doubt it will, has, improved moving up..

[TFFP]

I thought he got Winky's attention when he broke through with clean punches.

I mean I doubt he's going to be scaring the shit out of AA and Pavlik with his power but there is enough there to gain respect. He only needs to gain respect and then you are in a world of trouble because there are 1000 of these to come.

[One Punch KO]

I said I wasn't impressed with Arreola earlier, well, I was very impressed with Williams tonight.

He used his height and reach well, throwing barrages of quick punches without tiring. Not only that, but he was also comfortable on the inside and had a tight defence.

He totally dominated a crafty veteran in Wright, I gave Winky the 1st, 5th and 7th rounds and that was being generous.

[1stcontact]

Completely off topic...Lampley was really crying there

[GazOC]

Its been a pleasure as always, goodnight gentlemen.:bbb

[Evil Dead]

His power isn't that great at WW though.. I doubt it will, has, improved moving up..
yeah im not saying hes a ko artist but hes a 6 or 7 out of 10 at middleweight id think, if you show him your chin it wont be long before your on the floor

[JonOli]

yea I shouldn't pick to many faults... I was pretty impressed to be honest.

He looked good at the weight...

[Mandanda]

Completely off topic...Lampley was really crying there

yeah he was all night when they had the moments silence i could tell that him and merchant were choked up. i think by looks of him he did well to call a fight.

[JonOli]

yes goodnight all....

[Evil Dead]

yea I shouldn't pick to many faults... I was pretty impressed to be honest.

He looked good at the weight...
yeah he did but the questoion is can he take a punch at this weight, winky hit he flush a few times and if that was AA or KP then who knows, but i am now a fan of williams:happy

[Olu G. Rotimi]

It's not so much the nuthuggers and trolls (although this is a problem) but the fact I want to specifically hear from the people here. There will be plenty of these threads floating around in there already.
Well TFFP I guess I picked it correct once again by going for Williams on points.Like I have already said when you look at my posts not to do with my fighter you will appreciate I know my stuff which should give you cause for concern when my fighter fights the guys you think can defeat him when all he does is win.

[GazOC]

Most people got the pick right Olu.

[ishy]

Most people got the pick right Olu.

:lol:

I really struggled to stay awake during the main event last night. I thought I would fall asleep but somehow managed to stay awake. First time this has happened to me, I even managed to stay awake during Wlad-Ibragimov :lol:

[Beeston Brawler]

I fell asleep during Wlad Ibragimov





























But I watched it the following morning :lol:

[GazOC]

Anyone else got all their picks right so far?

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Most people got the pick right Olu.

Yes they did. I am also going for Pacman to stop Hatton.

[kosaros]

Well TFFP I guess I picked it correct once again by going for Williams on points.Like I have already said when you look at my posts not to do with my fighter you will appreciate I know my stuff which should give you cause for concern when my fighter fights the guys you think can defeat him when all he does is win.

I have got all these right so far (TFFP's threads), yet I am one of the most useless predictors of fights in the Brit forum (look at the prediction league)...

[TommyV]

Damn.

The Brit forum prevails again.

From now on, I am ALWAYS using these threads for my picks.

[trotter]

Anyone else got all their picks right so far?


I ain't done many of TFFP's as far as I recall but I think I have most right

They have been won by favourites though haven't they

I did call this fight pretty well, I thought it would be a wide UD

But I think Hatton-Pac will sort the men from the boys lol


Thought Williams was good t'other night. His usual self really, but still impressive. The guy is building a good CV. Very good in fact.

I think Pavlik would give him a tough fight, he would match his height, would arguably be the bigger guy naturally, and he has that straight right power to bring to the table.

However I think Williams would outwork Abraham.

[ishy]

Anyone else got all their picks right so far?

I got Urango-Ngoudjo badly wrong. I though Ngoudjo would win a comfortable UD :-(.