Max Schmeling vs. Ken Norton

[Russell]

Thoughts?

[robert ungurean]

Schmalling backs Norton up with the right hand.Then its only a matter of time befor he stops him.

[robert ungurean]

Schmalling backs Norton up with the right hand.Then its only a matter of time befor he stops him.
Schmeling:patsch

[janitor]

I tend to agree.

Schmeling would be a stylistic nightmare for Norton. He realy had the ability to counter and crucify people who tried to come towards him.

[Joe E]

I like Maxie in this one.One of the best right hands in Heavyweight history,good boxer,counter puncher against a Man who demonstrated that he did'nt have the greatest chin or the best defencive abilitys:good

[brooklyn1550]

Schmeling would beat Norton

[PowerPuncher]

Schmelling doesn't have the power to take Norton out and doesn't have the boxing ability/size to outhustle him.

Ali hits harder than Schmelling, was faster, bigger (height/reach), more skilled and had a far better right hand and even better power. What does Schmelling do that Ali could not? Norton beat Ali and I can't see anyway Schmelling beats him.

Norton would be able to outbox and then become the agressor curtesy of being the the bigger man and beat Schmelling until a mid-round KO.

Norton mid-round stoppage

[mcvey]

Schmelling doesn't have the power to take Norton out and doesn't have the boxing ability/size to outhustle him.

Ali hits harder than Schmelling, was faster, bigger (height/reach), more skilled and had a far better right hand and even better power. What does Schmelling do that Ali could not? Norton beat Ali and I can't see anyway Schmelling beats him.

Norton would be able to outbox and then become the agressor curtesy of being the the bigger man and beat Schmelling until a mid-round KO.

Norton mid-round stoppage
Ali hits harder than Schmeling?

[PowerPuncher]

Ali hits harder than Schmeling?

Yes, Schmellings power is very overrated, 1 hes a light heavweight and 2 he needed to hit Louis about 500 times to stop him and from that basis call him a puncher.

How did he do against Baer a fighter smaller and weaker than Norton with lesser skills? He was KO'D late on. Norton could do the job quicker.

[PowerPuncher]

Schmelling doesn't have the power to take Norton out and doesn't have the boxing ability/size to outhustle him.

1. Wrong, he has both, the power and the skills. You´re right with the size but Schmeling was also a better ring general as Norton.

Ali hits harder than Schmelling, was faster, bigger (height/reach), more skilled and had a far better right hand and even better power. What does Schmelling do that Ali could not? Norton beat Ali and I can't see anyway Schmelling beats him.

2. Schmeling was rated #55 of best hw punchers in 2003, Ali not even in the top100. So, there aren´t many who agree with you. Ali was faster and bigger but not more skilled textbook wise. Schmeling´s right hand was better than Ali´s, it was one of the best of all hws ever. Also Ali and Schmeling aren´t comparable, they rely on totally different assets.

Norton would be able to outbox and then become the agressor curtesy of being the the bigger man and beat Schmelling until a mid-round KO.

3. Norton would be very competative during the early rounds but would run in a right hand during the middle rounds and up till then gets a beating till the TKO in round 10.

Norton mid-round stoppage
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1. He has lesser power and lesser skills than Holmes and Ali

2. Ring magazine rankings are bogus. Schmelling didnt hit as hard with the right as Holmes or Ali

3. Norton fought 15rounds against Ali and Holmes arguably beating both. Why would he have a problem with the lesser Schmelling? Schmelling doesn't hit as hard as Holmes/Ali with the right hand

[Dempsey1238]

Schmeling did hurt Baer in there fight a few times with that right hand of his. Schemling could relly wack with that right hand, and Baer made sure he didnt take 2 many of thsos.

[Maxmomer]

Schmeling did hurt Baer in there fight a few times with that right hand of his. Schemling could relly wack with that right hand, and Baer made sure he didnt take 2 many of thsos.

That was a great fight.

[janitor]

[quote=PowerPuncher]Schmelling doesn't have the power to take Norton out and doesn't have the boxing ability/size to outhustle him.

Ali hits harder than Schmelling,

Schmeling undobtedly hit harder than Ali or Holmes. He was regarded as the best puncher in the heavyweight division between Dempsey retiring and Baer coming to the fore.

Some common oponents said that he hit as hard as Joe Louis.

Schmeling is unusual in that he was a defensive counterpuncher who also caried a substantial punch. His reputation as a puncher has been forgotten over the years but nobody doubted it in his own era.

[Luigi1985]

Ridiculous posts from some here, Ali hit harder than Schmeling... :lol:


Max´s hard and fast counter right hands would be too much for the brave Norton, I predict a midround TKO from Schmeling...


Schmeling TKO 8 Norton

[PowerPuncher]

[quote]

Schmeling undobtedly hit harder than Ali or Holmes. He was regarded as the best puncher in the heavyweight division between Dempsey retiring and Baer coming to the fore.

Some common oponents said that he hit as hard as Joe Louis.

Schmeling is unusual in that he was a defensive counterpuncher who also caried a substantial punch. His reputation as a puncher has been forgotten over the years but nobody doubted it in his own era.

I disagree, Schmelling was a cruserweight who fought cruserweights. When he fought HWs - Louis/Baer he lost (except for the first Louis ofcourse).

Ali and Holmes both have more impressive KOs than Schmelling does an against bigger men. Schmelling Ko'd Louis but that was a sustained beating where Schmelling landed 100s of rights.

Schmelling did not seem to have 1 punch KO power from what I've seen of him. He had a great right hand counter no doubt. but he isn't going to get enough of those past Nortons world class jab

Anyway Norton had a weakness against ATG puncher/pressure fighters, Schmelling was neither of these and gets outboxed, beat to the punch outpressured and ko'd mid rounds. Nortons just too big and strong and will fight big offsetting Schmellings countering ability

[janitor]

[quote=PowerPuncher]
I disagree, Schmelling was a cruserweight who fought cruserweights. When he fought HWs - Louis/Baer he lost (except for the first Louis ofcourse).


I would add that Sharkey and Uzcdun were both generaly around the 200lb mark at their peaks.


Ali and Holmes both have more impressive KOs than Schmelling does an against bigger men. Schmelling Ko'd Louis but that was a sustained beating where Schmelling landed 100s of rights.


A lot of this is down to style. Schmeling was a defensive counterpuncher who fought at a measured pace. While he took rounds to put his oponents away he generaly left them a physical wreck.

Steve Hamas was the 28 year old number 1 contender going into the second Schmeling fight. After it he was a virtual criple who never steped into the ring again.

Joe Louis got his face beaten into an unrecognisable pulp by Schmeling in the first fight. He was not able to show himself in public for two weeks after the fightand when he did he looked like he had been through a car windscreen.

Schmelling did not seem to have 1 punch KO power from what I've seen of him.

Proof that Schmeling could turn tiger when he wanted to is the Heuser fight. Adolph Heuser went after Schmeling in the first round. Schmeling not only knocked him out could but actualy killed him. Fortunately medics at the scene were able to get Heusers heart beating again.


He had a great right hand counter no doubt. but he isn't going to get enough of those past Nortons world class jab


Schmelings overhand right was the perfect punch for countering a jab with. That is why he beat Louis the first time round.