What was the most heart breaking demise..

[Primadonna Kool]

Of any fighter...

For me, it was Mike Tyson. As a youngster idolise Mike Tyson, and dear i say it loved him in a way. After the Lennox Lewis fight, i remember living the living room and i sat in the down stair's toilet crying by myself.

I liked both fighters, and that fight tour me apart inside.

I have long been a member of TysonTalk, and i slowly began to become fustrated and angry at Mike Tyson as the years went by. To a point where i began to sound like Teddy Atlas, people must understand why Teddy Atlas sounds so bitter and angry towards Mike Tyson.

It is because, Mike Tyson was a shooting star.

Teddy Atlas's very own words, and he knows deep down that he will never come across anything like that for as long as he live's.

I remember walking on the street, and as the wind was blowing. There lay on the floor a newspaper article, it was the back page's on the Echo or whatever.

And there was a picture of Danny Williams, and the title "Legend Killer" and Mike Tyson in the background sitting on the floor. Me and my mate, ripped up the news paper article in the middle of the street.

On the night of the Mike Tyson vs Kevin Mcbride fight, nothing felt right. It was a bad production, and the commentator's where talking of Mike Tyson as if he was in his early 20's during the build up. As Mike Tyson walked to the ring, you could see in his eye's he was no longer that animal, he was no longer Iron Mike. He was trying to intimidate McBride as he stepped in the ring, and stare him out. But Mike Tyson looked very nervous...

As i was sitting watching the fight with my brother i said, Mike Tyson has been civilised and humbled by life, he is no longer Iron Mike. Fighters like Nigel Benn, Roberto Duran, need that badness in them...that hate, to fight the way they fight. Nigel Benn carried the death of his brother through his fighting years, Roberto Duran carried the thoughts of his up bringing, and all the homeless children in his homeland.

And Mike Tyson..? no one really truely know's what he was angry with, even if he told you..i doubt he would be telling the full truth.

During the Kevin Mcbride fight, there is a moment in the fight. Where Mike Tyson starts to turn the clock back, when he is trying rough house tactic's, trying the snap Mcbride's arm. I for once was cheering this, because that's the baddest man on the planet, that was Iron Mike. Because even when Cus died, and Kevin Rooney was fired..Mike Tyson never stopped being Iron Mike Tyson. His technique may have deminished, but that badness! was always there..

And that was his life force..!

After Mike Tyson quit on his stool, i just layed in bed upset and cried alittle bit..

Because i knew it was the end.

Because i knew..

[GPater11093]

Alis upsets me

watching tapes of him in his prime he is so great and fast and so charismatic

also Watson is quite sad buts hes come through so well

[mcvey]

Of any fighter...

For me, it was Mike Tyson. As a youngster idolise Mike Tyson, and dear i say it loved him in a way. After the Lennox Lewis fight, i remember living the living room and i sat in the down stair's toilet crying by myself.

I liked both fighters, and that fight tour me apart inside.

I have long been a member of TysonTalk, and i slowly began to become fustrated and angry at Mike Tyson as the years went by. To a point where i began to sound like Teddy Atlas, people must understand why Teddy Atlas sounds so bitter and angry towards Mike Tyson.

It is because, Mike Tyson was a shooting star.

Teddy Atlas's very own words, and he knows deep down that he will never come across anything like that for as long as he live's.

I remember walking on the street, and as the wind was blowing. There lay on the floor a newspaper article, it was the back page's on the Echo or whatever.

And there was a picture of Danny Williams, and the title "Legend Killer" and Mike Tyson in the background sitting on the floor. Me and my mate, ripped up the news paper article in the middle of the street.

On the night of the Mike Tyson vs Kevin Mcbride fight, nothing felt right. It was a bad production, and the commentator's where talking of Mike Tyson as if he was in his early 20's during the build up. As Mike Tyson walked to the ring, you could see in his eye's he was no longer that animal, he was no longer Iron Mike. He was trying to intimidate McBride as he stepped in the ring, and stare him out. But Mike Tyson looked very nervous...

As i was sitting watching the fight with my brother i said, Mike Tyson has been civilised and humbled by life, he is no longer Iron Mike. Fighters like Nigel Benn, Roberto Duran, need that badness in them...that hate, to fight the way they fight. Nigel Benn carried the death of his brother through his fighting years, Roberto Duran carried the thoughts of his up bringing, and all the homeless children in his homeland.

And Mike Tyson..? no one really truely know's what he was angry with, even if he told you..i doubt he would be telling the full truth.

During the Kevin Mcbride fight, there is a moment in the fight. Where Mike Tyson starts to turn the clock back, when he is trying rough house tactic's, trying the snap Mcbride's arm. I for once was cheering this, because that's the baddest man on the planet, that was Iron Mike. Because even when Cus died, and Kevin Rooney was fired..Mike Tyson never stopped being Iron Mike Tyson. His technique may have deminished, but that badness! was always there..

And that was his life force..!

After Mike Tyson quit on his stool, i just layed in bed upset and cried alittle bit..

Because i knew it was the end.

Because i knew..
Well demise means death ,but I get what you mean .
I'm sorry to rain on your parade but I think Tyson's fall from grace was entirely predictable,and hastened by the death /demise of Cus D'mato and Jim Jacobs.Tyson had the makings of a great fighter,unfortunately imo he was/is a piece of shit as a human being .The fighter whose deteriation saddened me was Ali, he was of my era . I was on the verge of leaving school when he won the title ,and in my 30's when he retired,his decline has been tragically sad to watch, all the more poignant if you saw him in his prime,and shared your youth together.

[janitor]

The demise of Joe Louis (inside and outside the ring) tends to tug at the heart strings.

There are too many sad stories to list really.

Barbados Joe Walcott ended up working as a janitor at the gardens. He was killed by a speed ing car and nobody found out untill decades later.

Sam Langford ended up blind and living in apauling poverty.

Perhaps the saddest is the story of Jimmy Bivins.

[TBooze]

Modern times I guess Billy Collins Jr. Davey Moore (80s, 154lbs version) was another tragic death, in more ways than one.

As for the past, well the death of Battling Siki deserves mention.

If Sammy Langford did not have that bit of comfort at the end of his life, one of the ten finest fighters ever would be on this list.

[mcvey]

Modern times I guess Billy Collins Jr. Davey Moore (80s, 154lbs version) was another tragic death, in more ways than one.

As for the past, well the death of Battling Siki deserves mention.

If Sammy Langford did not have that bit of comfort at the end of his life, one of the ten finest fighters ever would be on this list.

Larry Gains mentions Siki in his autobiography" The Impossible Dream", they were contempories.Gains said that Siki ,trailed by a large entourage ,would descend on a bar ,march up the counter and order drinks for everyone,then ask the Proprietor "do you beleive in God",the answer was invariably in the affirmative ,to which Siki would reply,"well beleive he will pay the drinks bill then". Not surprisingly he was murdered .

[CottoDaBodykill]

lol he cried

[TBooze]

Larry Gains mentions Siki in his autobiography" The Impossible Dream", they were contempories.Gains said that Siki ,trailed by a large entourage ,would descend on a bar ,march up the counter and order drinks for everyone,then ask the Proprietor "do you beleive in God",the answer was invariably in the affirmative ,to which Siki would reply,"well beleive he will pay the drinks bill then". Not surprisingly he was murdered .

LOL, I read Peter Benson's book on Siki (a hard, but good read), Siki had many flaws, but also was as brave as they came. Also he was a lot smarter than portrayed by many, and suffered for the colour of his skin (again, not alone there either).

[EireFightFan]

Outside the ring:
Benny Lynch - washed up at 25, dead from alcoholism and malnutrition at 33.
Randolf Turpin - hounded by the tax man and comitted suicide.
Sonny Liston - 'died the day he was born'.
Joe Louis - hounded by the tax man, addicted to heroin, looking for microphones in hotel air conditioning, meeting and greeting at Ceaser's Palace.
Stanley Ketchel - shot in the back.

[lefthook31]

Its funny how you can get so attached to fighters. I was also a big fan of Tysons, but I always knew from his first fight back with McNeely he wasnt the same fighter. I never expected much from Tyson and wasnt suprised to see Holy whip his ass.
So many sad endings.:D
Roy Jones got knocked out
James Douglas was KO'd by Lou Savarese after the amazing comeback story
Tyson trying to again foul out against Kevin McBride because he couldnt win
Holyfield getting pummeled by Larry Donald, James Toney and Chris Byrd
Ali getting pummeled by Berbick
Diego Corrales getting beat down by Mayweather
Zab Judah getting knocked out by Tszyu :happy
Gerald Mclellan getting brain damage against Nigel Benn
Moorer getting Ko'd after winning ever round against Foreman
Chavez getting dropped by Frankie Randall
David Tua getting pummeled by Lennox Lewis
Trinidad getting beat down by Hopkins (wasnt suprised)
Klitscho getting KO'd by Corrie Sanders.:happy
Golota beating Bowe down
Mcall landing that right hand on Lennox Lewis with his eyes closed

Part of boxing my man

[Minotauro]

Reading what happen to Ezzard Charles was sad also watching Benn having to throw the towel against Collins was sad Nigel was a true warrior in his prime.

[TBooze]

Reading what happen to Ezzard Charles was sad also watching Benn having to throw the towel against Collins was sad Nigel was a true warrior in his prime.


The Benn pro career finale is a bit sad because some always said he had a bit of the dog in him and he seemingly disproved that with the McClellan fight, only to reignite the issue in the Collins bouts.

[GPater11093]

what happened to charles

[booradley]

Arguello/Pryor II: Watching the once great warrior sit on the canvass and take the count broke my freaking heart.

[GPater11093]

Arguello/Pryor II: Watching the once great warrior sit on the canvass and take the count broke my freaking heart.

that was sad

what about Meldricks taylor decline after Chavez

Chavez ruined Taylor that great body oozing of potential and excitement and it brings a tear to y eyes to hear or see taylor know

[DocDevil]

Cleve Williams has some tragedy.In his prime he only gets close to a title shot.Loses to Liston in Sonnys' quest for the championship.Gets his insides blown out by a cops 357 mag.Given up for dead on the table,but survives.Loses a kidney in the ordeal,now just a shell of himself.Finally gets a title shot against Ali,when Ali is at his best. Fights for seven more years as a trial horse.In later years the one kidney he has goes bad.At the age of 66,as he leaves the hospital after dialysis,he is killed by a hit and run driver.Seems like somewhere in his life, a woman takes a knife to him also.

[Primadonna Kool]

What about Evander Holyfield..?

He is still fighting on, what a man...

What a man..

[birddog]

All sad stories, too common in the sport we love. Taylor, Ali, Tyson, Louis (who did everything for this country, his tax issue should have been excused) .

and on and on

[Bummy Davis]

The story of Joe Louis and how he did charity benifits for the GOV and then for the IRS to go after him.....Funny thing is Frank Sinatra and Rocky Marciano came to his aid and get him a well paying Big shot Job in Las Vegas as a greeter. Joe had ringside seats to all the Big fights and was asked for autographs by the big shots. JOE LOVED IT....also to see Ali prostitute himself vs Holmes and Arturo Gatti lose to Gomez...he was shot...Meldrick taylor become a loser and still fight

[My2Sense]

Dick Tiger.

Seeing him look like an empty shell, while Emile Griffith danced and showboated around him in his last fight. Then a few months later, he died of cancer. We never get to hear him look back on his career, and give his own views on his fights and the era in general.

[ryanm8655]

Sugar Ray dieing in poverty.

[djanders]

One of the most heart-breaking demises in boxing for me was when I heard that Rocky Marciano had died in a plane crash. He was 45, would have been 46 in one more day. He was too young to go.

[zadfrak]

Ali losing to a guy like Leon Spinks. Sure Ali had deteriorated a ton by then, but Spinks as an opponent was a gimme. The guy had a draw against Righetti and he gets the Ali sweepstakes for big $$. I think there was 6 or 8 or perhaps even more guys around at the time that beat Spinks, but Muhammad wasn't one of them.

[Shake]

It isn't comparable to some of the sadder stories in scope, but Duran versus Joppy is extremely hard to watch for me, primarily because of the effort Duran gives. He is actually in there giving it his fucking all 110%, and there was nobody who gave enough of a damn to protect this man from himself (or King).

[mcvey]

what happened to charles

ms

[Arriba]

Sitting through RJJ's performances post Ruiz has been pretty brutal. What was once an explosive and highly charismatic performer is now a broke legged half assed kinkos copy.

[zadfrak]

It isn't comparable to some of the sadder stories in scope, but Duran versus Joppy is extremely hard to watch for me, primarily because of the effort Duran gives. He is actually in there giving it his fucking all 110%, and there was nobody who gave enough of a damn to protect this man from himself (or King).

Good call. I didn't like that matchup from when it was signed. Duran had absolutely nothing in there and the match made Joppy look like ray robinson in there. But Duran hung in there and took his licking and that was about all he did. In his prime, a guy like Joppy with that head way up in the air and low hands > punching would've been the type guy Duran takes apart. Instead, it was Roberto getting taken apart.

[TBooze]

Dick Tiger.

Seeing him look like an empty shell, while Emile Griffith danced and showboated around him in his last fight. Then a few months later, he died of cancer. We never get to hear him look back on his career, and give his own views on his fights and the era in general.

What hurt Dick Tiger even more was he never got to see a free Biafra; indeed the war was lost just 20 months or so before his death.

[GPater11093]

ms

thats terrible for ayone

[Bigcat]

i am a sucker for Joe Louis, i always shed a tear when i see Joe in the state he was in during the latter years of his life................ Its pure sadness..

Sonny Liston too.... its a complete enigma what did happen to Sonny....

I dont want to think about such a strong capable man cut short by mob handed filth..

[sam1222]

Ali's is definately the saddest cos his decline is so well documented.the world watched one of the greatest fighters ever deteriate to the point where it was truly sad, the holmes and berbick fights were horrible to watch. holmes and berbick were not fit to lace the mans boots when he was in his prime. yet he hates people's pity, he doesnt want us to feel bad for him. but its heart breaking whats happened to him. but for me its tyson too, and to a certain degree eubank and benn also, as i was only 6 years old when Ali's decline happened, and grew up watching tyson, and the rest. mike had so much potential in his early years yet threw it all away. i honestly think teddy atlas should be mentioned along with cus, jacobs and rooney, when people talk of him losing them having a detrimental effect on his career as i think teddy could have kept him on the straight and narrow, even if just for a little longer. but it was tysons fault he lost atlas's influence in his life anyway. i remember the night danny williams beat mike well, and for me thats when i knew it was over for mike.

[Primadonna Kool]

Teddy Atlas is bitter and angry with Mike Tyson, because he cared about Mike Tyson the person/development.

Other's like Rooney and Cus, maybe mostly cared about the fighter.

[JohnThomas1]

Greg Page, all that talent and look at him now in a wheelchair and could die anytime.

[booradley]

Bobby Chacon

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[GPater11093]

Bobby Chacon

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dont have a good enough computer to watch this but what happened to Bobby i watch alot of his foghts but dont know much about hm but he is one of my faves

[booradley]

dont have a good enough computer to watch this but what happened to Bobby i watch alot of his foghts but dont know much about hm but he is one of my faves

Bobby has profound pugilistic dimentia, and basically lives off the charity of others. He gets his spending money by picking up cans, and there is a pastor who looks out for him.

[GPater11093]

Bobby has profound pugilistic dimentia, and basically lives off the charity of others. He gets his spending money by picking up cans, and there is a pastor who looks out for him.

shame they guy was a great fighter and always exciting (hence the puglistic dementia)

it shows you how fickle people are in the day he had heaps of fans and was adored now hes picking up cans for a living

also didnt his wife committ suicide after the boza edwards fight

[booradley]

shame they guy was a great fighter and always exciting (hence the puglistic dementia)

it shows you how fickle people are in the day he had heaps of fans and was adored now hes picking up cans for a living

also didnt his wife committ suicide after the boza edwards fight

Yes, about a year after the first Edwards fight.

[janitor]

What about Evander Holyfield..?

He is still fighting on, what a man...

What a man..

This sad story nerly had a fairytale ending when he won the WBA title from Valuev.

[janitor]

i am a sucker for Joe Louis, i always shed a tear when i see Joe in the state he was in during the latter years of his life................ Its pure sadness..


While the post career decline of Joe Louis is a sad story it isnt all as bad as it apears.

People think it is sad seing him reduced to working as a greeter but that was his choice. He loved the atention and the adulation and I think increasingly retreated into it as his financial situation deteriorated.

I think in his own way he was happy.

Also his third wife who was also the first black woman to study law at Harvard University managed to secure him some concesions from the IRS which held them at bay for the remainder of his life.

[PH|LLA]

Roy Jones for me. It was just unnatural

seeing him showboat around against Sheika but actually unable to put him down was depressing.

Recently someone asked who would win between Jeff Lacy and Roy Jones and i actually thought twice.

[Primadonna Kool]

Roy Jones for me. It was just unnatural

seeing him showboat around against Sheika but actually unable to put him down was depressing.

Recently someone asked who would win between Jeff Lacy and Roy Jones and i actually thought twice.

I thought he looked fantastic technically against Omar Sheika, but phsyically..

Roy Jone's has lost all his power..!!!

He should get in contact with VICTOR CONTE, the man is legit these days...!!

[jyuza]

Cleve Williams has some tragedy.In his prime he only gets close to a title shot.Loses to Liston in Sonnys' quest for the championship.Gets his insides blown out by a cops 357 mag.Given up for dead on the table,but survives.Loses a kidney in the ordeal,now just a shell of himself.Finally gets a title shot against Ali,when Ali is at his best. Fights for seven more years as a trial horse.In later years the one kidney he has goes bad.At the age of 66,as he leaves the hospital after dialysis,he is killed by a hit and run driver.Seems like somewhere in his life, a woman takes a knife to him also.

Damn I didn't know about that...

[GPater11093]

Yes, about a year after the first Edwards fight.

this is kinda like bobby was

but have you guys heard of robert guerro whos wife is terminally ill with cancer and he has o look after the kids and her and train to make a living as a boxer

[biglads]

Wilfred Benitez

[Arriba]

Considering the battles that Chacon had with his demons as a youngster and how badly he struggled to conquer them only to wind up with dementia and broke, it makes the Chacon story so much worse.

[Primadonna Kool]

Doug.

[booradley]

Considering the battles that Chacon had with his demons as a youngster and how badly he struggled to conquer them only to wind up with dementia and broke, it makes the Chacon story so much worse.

It is truly sad to see a warrior with Bobby's resume' end up like he is now.

Danny "Little Red" Lopez
Rubin Olivares X 2
Rafeal "Bazooka" Limon x 3
Alexis Arguello
Cornelius Boza Edwards X 2
Ray Mancinni

In the big fights Bobby won some and lost some, but the fact remains that he was a 2 divison world titlist back when that meant a hell of a lot more than it does now, and today he picks up soda pop cans for spending money.

[teeto]

Bobby Chacon

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I never knew about this, thanks for posting. Awful.

[Bigcat]

I didn't like the way Riddick Bowes prime took a nosedive to the point of him letting his body and mind go to pieces.. the whole Golota fights thing, marines, kidnapping his wife and kids etc... it was sad after seeing that kid reach the heights after such a bad start in life.........