how did u score duran-Ray Leonard I

[faisal]

did any 1 give it to leonard? I havent watched all the fight i'm mid way so i'll give my score after i'v done watching it all

[faisal]

i have to say the commentary was abysmal

[smitty_son408]

Last time I watched I think I had it 10-5 or 9-6 for Duran. Their were rounds where Duran seemed to want to cruise and slept walked (later rounds).

[jyuza]

I never saw anybody scoring it for Leonard.
I had it 9-6 for Duran. I will post my round-by-round if I can find it (or I will simply rewatch that great fight and score it again).

[bladerunner]

i had Duran by two rounds.

[the cobra]

9-5-1 for Duran was my last score.

[PopeJackson]

9-6

[FromWithin]

I don't understand how anyone could give the fight to Leonard? Just the desperate look on his face at the end of the fight says everything. It was close, but clear for Duran. I think I had it 8-6-1

[My dinner with Conteh]

I don't understand how anyone could give the fight to Leonard?

The New York Times and Boxing Illustrated did. However, the latter re-scored in a decade later and had it 11-4 Duran. A bit wide but at least they got the right winner.

[redrooster]

A great achievement for Roberto considering the huge jump in weight and his limited experience at 147 along with his advanced age, not to mention that most of his useful ring life was already behind him.

But he still carried a good fraction of his formidable ring skills with him into this fight even if his power was mostly left behind at the lightweight division.

In defense of Leonard, some of the rounds were pretty close but only because Duran must have known he was so completely in command. That caused him to ease his foot off the pedal and cruise at half speed-the damage already done, his foe already conquered (Leonard had already been seriosuly shaken on three separate occasions)

I had three rounds that I would truthfully say were even. But Duran knew he had it in the bag. Probably Duran's biggest win ever

[djanders]

I had it a little closer than the others. I had Duran the winner by 1 point. I might rewatch it, and score it again, when I get the chance.

[ChrisPontius]

You can't really justify a scorecard that has Leonard winning, but i thought it was a very close fight and Sugar Ray really made a spirited effort during rounds 14 & 15 to come back, that's what i love to see in a fighter. Still, Duran took it by at least two rounds.

[FromWithin]

The New York Times and Boxing Illustrated did. However, the latter re-scored in a decade later and had it 11-4 Duran. A bit wide but at least they got the right winner.

I didn't know that. 11-4 is exaggerated :huh

First time I watched this fight without scoring I thought it was a really really close fight, a lot of rounds were close, and without scoring I even had the impression it was a draw, but rewatching it I have it clearly for Duran.

What an incredible and intense fight, two pound for pound ATG going toe to toe... Duran's doing a lot of cute things that we don't notice.. just the bolo from Leonard in the corner, Duran blocked it when they showed it in the replay, but it was like it landed...

[teeto]

I had Duran actuall pulling ahead quite handily at the end

[markedwardscott]

I thought Duran dominated and came close to a kayo in the 2nd round when he tagged Leonard with a left hook/uppercut.

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[GPater11093]

ill watch the fight tomorrow and report back my new scorecrd cant seem to find my old one

[MrMarvel]

Duran won it going away. I guess 10-5 or 9-6 is okay, but an argument can be made that both scores are generous. Duran consistently beat Leonard to the punch. He was the effective aggressor throughout. Only a few times did he coast, and Leonard more often than not took those times to coast, too. Leonard had his moments (he is, after all, a fine boxer), but Duran almost always turned them around to his advantage. When Leonard would use his size to turn Duran against the ropes, Duran would turn Leonard back around. Leonard looked so much bigger that to see him bullied around the ring was astonishing. Duran dotted every exchange, except one at the end of a round, with the punctuation. Duran was pummeling Leonard's body. It was sick. Both sides of the rib cage and right in the belly. Leonard defense consisted of holding incessantly (Leonard kept the ref busy all night), while Duran was able to block Leonard's punches with his shoulders and arms. If you watch Leonard's bolo from the inside angle you can see the blow bounding off Duran's gloves. That was typical of the fight. When Duran was hit, he often turned his head at the last minute to negate the power. He was rarely hit flush. Leonard did some shining with flurries, but Duran was having none of it. Duran took Leonard to school. What a brilliant boxer!

The commentary was indeed atrocious. Embarrassingly bad. Whoever that was with Pacheco was an idiot, and Pacheco was little better. They were screaming about punches that would knock anybody out. Well, if that were true, somebody would have been knocked out! Duh! At several points, Pacheco's sidekick was talking about things that weren't actually happening. He would turn to Pacheco and ask him what he thought about this or that. He reminded my of the character in Best in Show. Remember that? LOL! Both of them were sniffing Leonard's jock strap.

Pacheco seems to think it's his duty to make a fight seem much closer than it is. He has done this a lot. A good example was Whitaker-Chavez. Whitaker boxed brilliantly. Chavez didn't win many rounds on my card (even though he was competitive in most), but you wouldn't know it from the commentary. They were talking about a draw towards the end, and then when it was declared a draw they started decrying the decision! Czyz was in there, too, which always ramps up the idocy level.

Commentary is one area where boxing is worse than any other sport. They very rarely have people in there who know anything about boxing except what they are given to read off of fact sheets. I've never understood why they can't find people who understand the sport. There are exceptions, but it is overall pretty damned terrible.

[faisal]

i have to say it was pritty funny when benitez says hes not impressed by either and he'd KO both in 2 rounds, and at the end of the fight duran turns to him and gestures to benitezes that vintage roberto right there

[kenmore]

It's been a long time since I saw this fight, but I remember scoring it clearly in favor of Duran. Duran was a close but clear winner on my scorecard. Duran was very, very impressive that night.

[GPater11093]

im just watching it now

is Ismael Laguna in Durans corner/entourage or is it a lookalike

[GPater11093]

had it wider than most of you 12-3 duran

[la-califa]

Just curious, what was the scoring after 12 rounds? If the fight had been a twelve rounder.

[GPater11093]

i had it 11-1 after 12 rounds

[jaffay]

i have to say the commentary was abysmal

I loved that commentary:

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[teeto]

I loved that commentary:

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Same here

[GPater11093]

teeto off topic abit but how did you score duran buchanan

[teeto]

Don't remember exactly, but i know i had Duran a few points ahead at the end, if i remember correctly it's courtesy of good work early on isn't it?

You watched it lately?

[GPater11093]

Don't remember exactly, but i know i had Duran a few points ahead at the end, if i remember correctly it's courtesy of good work early on isn't it?

You watched it lately?

havent seen it in a while no

i remember Dura winnign everything early and then ken realising he gave away them rounds came on abit but was a good biut down at the 13th, ken reckons he could have won it on points what do you think

[teeto]

havent seen it in a while no

i remember Dura winnign everything early and then ken realising he gave away them rounds came on abit but was a good biut down at the 13th, ken reckons he could have won it on points what do you think
Not in my opinino, he would have had to maybe win the remaining rounds and i just couldn't see Duran allowing it. I know we both think the world of Ken but i just don't see it. What's your feeling? There's always that thing about Duran not giving the rematch, Ken was a proud warrior and dearly wanted a chance at revenge

[GPater11093]

Not in my opinino, he would have had to maybe win the remaining rounds and i just couldn't see Duran allowing it. I know we both think the world of Ken but i just don't see it. What's your feeling? There's always that thing about Duran not giving the rematch, Ken was a proud warrior and dearly wanted a chance at revenge

i dont think ken could have won even if he KD'D duran

i think he should have got a rematch but in retrospect it might have been better he never got one as i think Duran would have done alot better as he constantly improved after that fight, you read his book where he goes over to the states to find Duran thats quite funny

i think if anyone ken should have got a rematch with is Isimatsu as taht fight was close and ken had a bad eye (havent saw it yet just going on reports)

[Mantequilla]

I'm not sure Buchanan won any rounds clearly against Duran, though the fight was more competitive than is often made out imo.Duran had two huge rounds and the rest were split about evenly between competitive but clear for Duran and close enough to go either way.The judges cards at the time of the stoppage were about right imo.

[teeto]

i dont think ken could have won even if he KD'D duran

i think he should have got a rematch but in retrospect it might have been better he never got one as i think Duran would have done alot better as he constantly improved after that fight, you read his book where he goes over to the states to find Duran thats quite funny

i think if anyone ken should have got a rematch with is Isimatsu as taht fight was close and ken had a bad eye (havent saw it yet just going on reports)
No i haven't read ir, i've read Duran's. What happened there with him going over to looking for him?

[GPater11093]

I'm not sure Buchanan won any rounds clearly against Duran, though the fight was more competitive than is often made out imo.Duran had two huge rounds and the rest were split about evenly between competitive but clear for Duran and close enough to go either way.The judges cards at the time of the stoppage were about right imo.

pretty much how i seen it pretty close rounds with duran getting a small edge

No i haven't read ir, i've read Duran's. What happened there with him going over to looking for him?

real good book called tarten ledged or something

well he went over to New Yrk to look for Roberto and ended up staying in Queens with a black lady he then went to a pub where the guys recognised his accent and asked if he knew Buchanan and he told them who he was and tehy got talking about boxing and they wnt for the pub for around a week and Ken asked them if they knew where duran was but they told him its like a needle in a haystak so he went home

(just realised i told tahtreally crappily)

[teeto]

GPater thanks for that, you told it alright!

[GPater11093]

GPater thanks for that, you told it alright!

he does it alott better in his book