J.D. Roldan vs. Rodrigo Valdez

[laxpdx]

of Hagler and Briscoe respectively?

[birddog]

is there enough footage of either to decide?

[dpw417]

Valdez would drop the charging Roldan early, and would end it by the 5th round. (or sooner)

[My2Sense]

Roldan would come out smokin' and make it a battle, but Valdez's quicker, cleaner combinations would take their toll and force a stoppage around round 7 or 8.

[zadfrak]

All Valdez. The only hope for a guy like Roldan is a ko & Valdez has those terrific whiskers. TKO7.

[Mantequilla]

Valdez could potentially give him a tough fight before getting starched or quitting as was his way.Maybe similar to the aldez tonna fight, but i think Tonna was better and trickier with his movement and punches than the straight line Roldan.

[redrooster]

I'm picking Roldan in this one. The upper body movement, the ability to make the opponent miss. Simply too mcu for anyone else to overcome. The power that put the Animal Fletcher to sleep and put Marvin Hagler in retreat would pose too much threat to the average championship fighter. Even Hagler almost didnt make it.

Roldan was beating Hagler until early in the third when Marvin suddenly stopped his momentum and turned it his way with a masterful uppercut, instantly closing his eye shut. Anyone else in there would have been flat as a pancake and this includes Valdez

[THEHAMMER321]

You know what was funny,one of the boxing publications prior to Roldan fighting Marvin came out with a list ''The five fighters who deserve a title shot'' and ''The five who don't ,with Roldan being one of the five who didn't deserve a title shot ,they said he was a sloppy wide puncher who would be picked apart how wrong they were,I saw the fight live and thought he was giving Marv a tough time until his eye closed

[My2Sense]

Roldan was beating Hagler until early in the third when Marvin suddenly stopped his momentum and turned it his way with a masterful uppercut, instantly closing his eye shut. Anyone else in there would have been flat as a pancake and this includes Valdez

Because giving Hagler trouble for two-and-a-half rounds is enough to prove you can beat anyone else in the world? :huh

I guess that means anyone that's gone a step further and beaten Hagler must easily be one of the greatest fighters ever...

[red cobra]

I'm picking Roldan in this one. The upper body movement, the ability to make the opponent miss. Simply too mcu for anyone else to overcome. The power that put the Animal Fletcher to sleep and put Marvin Hagler in retreat would pose too much threat to the average championship fighter. Even Hagler almost didnt make it.

Roldan was beating Hagler until early in the third when Marvin suddenly stopped his momentum and turned it his way with a masterful uppercut, instantly closing his eye shut. Anyone else in there would have been flat as a pancake and this includes Valdez
Ridiculous!!! Valdez stops Roldan in less than 3 rounds, either my a tko or a clean knockout. You people forget what a damned BADASS Valdez was before Monzon. Just watching the second Briscoe fight should be a clue. Roldan was a second stringer, no matter how hard he hit, whereas Valdez's only superior was Monzon, and gave Carlos two epic battles. At any other time, against virtually anybody else Valdez would have won either one of those bouts.

[TheGreatA]

An aging Bennie Briscoe gave Hagler a pretty tough fight as well but he was beaten 3 times by Valdez.

[Drew101]

Valdez has more options at his disposal. Roldan tended to move in straight lines, going forward, and while he was tough to hit clean and flush, Valdez didn't have to hit you clean and flush in order to hurt you. I saw the Columbian wears Roldan down and stops him late.

[redrooster]

You know what was funny,one of the boxing publications prior to Roldan fighting Marvin came out with a list ''The five fighters who deserve a title shot'' and ''The five who don't ,with Roldan being one of the five who didn't deserve a title shot ,they said he was a sloppy wide puncher who would be picked apart how wrong they were,I saw the fight live and thought he was giving Marv a tough time until his eye closed

I remember that article. Don't know if I still have it but I remember the press had always belittled Roldan. I even remember one of the writers saying how marvin could beat Juan by mail. That is how lightly they took him.

Don't know the reason for the hate. Maybe becuz he wasnt a cute slickster type but like I said, the press was full of shit as always

Because as things turned out, JDR was his most serious challenge. Better than Sibbo, Hamsho, Hearns, Mugabi, Leonard because he gave MMH a fight with one eye completely shut and took the first two and some have claimed that if not for the eye, would have beat hagler

Whoever said Roldan is a quitter, I can't imagine why anyone would want to label him as a quiiter. That's for pansies who retire b/c they got floored by a jr welter posing as a jr middle,, coming up with new excuses such as "it wasnt there"

THAT'S a QUITTER :yep

fighting prime Hagler with one eye? That's not being a quiter, that's suicide.

JDR that night would have whipped Valdez in decisive fashion, both hands pumping from all angles ceaselessly until the granite in Valdez' chin chips and falls away. No question in my mind.

Roldan was the greatest p4p puncher this side of Tony Ayala Jr.

[My2Sense]

Because as things turned out, JDR was his most serious challenge. Better than Sibbo, Hamsho, Hearns, Mugabi, Leonard...

No, Leonard beat Hagler, and Mugabi gave him a tough fight for more than just a couple of rounds.


JDR that night would have whipped Valdez in decisive fashion, both hands pumping from all angles ceaselessly until the granite in Valdez' chin chips and falls away. No question in my mind.

Yep, we saw how well that strategy worked for Bennie Briscoe, Ramon Mendez, etc.


Roldan was the greatest p4p puncher this side of Tony Ayala Jr.

What for? :lol: Because he KO'd Frank Fletcher 2 rounds longer than it took John Mugabi to?

[redrooster]

No, Leonard beat Hagler, and Mugabi gave him a tough fight for more than just a couple of rounds.




:lol: Do you even know what you're talking about?

I clearly said Roldan, not Mugabi.

All you do is confuse yourself :patsch


As I was saying, Roldan was his best comp followed by Sibbo, Hamsho, Hearns.

Anyone can come along at the end of someone's career and outspeed you if you're slow enough

"Sugar Ray said Hagler had lost a lot of speed and was counting on the slowness of hagler" as told to Tim Ryan by Sugar Ray Leonard

"Thanks for softening him up for me buddy"-as told to Juan Roldan by Sugar Ray leonard :smoke

[robert ungurean]

I'll take Valdez by 10th rd. tko.