Worst heavyweight reign Post World War 2

[Nigel_Benn]

As Big A Joe Frazier fan as i am him and Bowe would have to be up there for worst title defences.

[Privatejoker]

uh...Nigel?

Frazier has title defences v Quarry, Foster, Eliis, Ali and George Foreman and others.

His title defence and WIN v Ali is better than any title defence Tyson ever had.

Look at Lennox Lewis first title reign, 1992-1994. Phil Jackson, Bruno and McCall.

Holyfield, 1990-1992 defended against Foreman (42), Holmes (42) and a substitute for a substitute Bert Cooper (a blown up Cruiserweight), then defended against Bowe, a guy you are dissing for worst title defences.

[GPater11093]

ever heard of Valuev

[TommyV]

Michael Bentt.

You aren't going to find a worse world title reign than one that ends in the 1st defence, against a glass-jawed blown up cruiserweight.

[Bokaj]

uh...Nigel?

Frazier has title defences v Quarry, Foster, Eliis, Ali and George Foreman and others.

His title defence and WIN v Ali is better than any title defence Tyson ever had.

Look at Lennox Lewis first title reign, 1992-1994. Phil Jackson, Bruno and McCall.

Holyfield, 1990-1992 defended against Foreman (42), Holmes (42) and a substitute for a substitute Bert Cooper (a blown up Cruiserweight), then defended against Bowe, a guy you are dissing for worst title defences.

Well, if we're talking lineal or undisputed title reigns Frazier may be seen as one of the worst. It depends on where you have it starting. If you feel he became champion after beating Ali, then his succesful defences are really dismal. If you feel he became undisputed champ after beating Ellis, then he also have wins over Foster and Ali in his reign which of course makes it better. There's no way, however, that Joe can be called champ in any way shape or form before beating Ellis. For me he became the champ after beating Ali.

Willard, Patterson, Holyfield and Bowe also had poor reigns I'd say.

[SuzieQ49]

Floyd Patterson since he did not take on Folley, Valdez, Williams, or Machen. Instead he took on softies London, Radamacher, and Harris. Unfortunate, but it is true. Johannson and Jackson were nice title defenses though.

[Privatejoker]

Douglas.

Beat Tyson then goes into the tank v Holyfield.

Michael Moorer. Beat Holyfield then gets KO'd by a 45 year old Foreman.

Mike Tyson (90's)

Beat Bruno, fought a Sheldon who dived for a WBA then lose to an "supposed shot" Holyfield.

[Privatejoker]

He beat Quarry after beating Ellis

[My2Sense]

How in the hell is Frazier one of the worst??

Mathis, Quarry, Bonavena were all legit top contenders, Foster the reigning LHW champ, Ellis his co-champion (earned his title through an elimination tourney), and then ALI - 'nuff said.

In fact, I would say he had one of the better post-WW II reigns.

Patterson's reign was far, far worse.

[Bokaj]

He beat Quarry after beating Ellis

His first fight against Quarry was before he met Ellis, the second was after he'd lost the crown. Neither was title defences.

[Bokaj]

How in the hell is Frazier one of the worst??

Mathis, Quarry, Bonavena were all legit top contenders, Foster the reigning LHW champ, Ellis his co-champion (earned his title through an elimination tourney), and then ALI - 'nuff said.

In fact, I would say he had one of the better post-WW II reigns.

Patterson's reign was far, far worse.

These three were beaten on his way to the title. They don't count as defences.

Fraziers' reing either started with the victory over Ellis or with the victory over Ali. I prefer the latter option, but both can be argued. If one chooses the forrmer option it's a pretty good reign (Foster, Ali, Stander, Daniels), if one chooses the latter it's not (Stander, Daniels).

[Nigel_Benn]

I meant Lineal true Heavyweight Champs, Not alphabet champs like Valuev Im referring to Fraziers defences against Terry Daniels and Ron Stander but i admit i was harsh in my judgement on Joe and when you brought up his defences my argument had no credibility however Holyfield defended against 2 ATGS Holmes and Foreman Cooper was a sub for Tyson a fight Holyfield wanted as soon as he became champ and Bowe who i think now has the worst resume with Jesse Ferguson and Michael Dokes his 2 defences.

[Privatejoker]

Bert Cooper was a sub for Damiani, who was a sub for Tyson.

Holmes and Foreman were ATGs who were 42 years old and far removed from their primes.

I pick both Holmes and Foreman in their primes to beat Evander.

[lefthook31]

Shannon Briggs after fraudently beating Foreman who fraudently lost to Axel Shultz after winning it by one punch KO over Moorer who controversially won it from Holyfield, who controversially won it from Bowe, second fight was a lot closer than the outcome, and then Bowe who fractured it by scrapping the WBC belt and not fighting Lennox Lewis. Worst linear heavyweight reign ever once it got in the hands of Briggs.

[TheGreatA]

Shannon Briggs
Hasim Rahman
Buster Douglas
Leon Spinks
Michael Moorer

I guess Ali's third, Holyfield's second and Foreman's second reign should count as well.

[janitor]

It seems harsh to criticise a fighters reign if he lost the title quickly.

It means he didnt realy have time to avoid anybody.

[sam1222]

Shannon Briggs
Hasim Rahman
Buster Douglas
Leon Spinks
Michael Moorer

I guess Ali's third, Holyfield's second and Foreman's second reign should count as well.

add wladimir klitchko to that list and we got a winner!

[TheGreatA]

It seems harsh to criticise a fighters reign if he lost the title quickly.

It means he didnt realy have time to avoid anybody.

I guess so but in my opinion it's better to beat nobodies than nobody.

[SuzieQ49]

add wladimir klitchko to that list and we got a winner!

You Mean vitali right? Wladimir is having a great title reign right now...He is making a huge effort to fight all the top young studs out there like haye and potvekin and he has unified one of the belts....something larry holmes never did. Wladimir has career 6 title defenses of IBF title and career 8 title defenses of WBO title including his early reign. Wlad has a chance in the next 2 years to knock off some good names. I hope he does it.

The guy with the horribly piss poor title reign is vitali klitschko...he won his belt from an out of shape inactive 39 year old golfer, then defended his title over C level Danny Williams then RETIRED.... That is awful. He did come back and get a strong win over overweight Sam Peter, but Peter has been exposed by now as not a world class fighter. His last defense was over a blubbery 36 year old juan carlos gomez, who looked well past his prime.

[janitor]

You Mean vitali right? Wladimir is having a great title reign right now...He is making a huge effort to fight all the top young studs out there like haye and potvekin and he has unified one of the belts....something larry holmes never did. Wladimir has career 6 title defenses of IBF title and career 8 title defenses of WBO title including his early reign. Wlad has a chance in the next 2 years to knock off some good names. I hope he does it.


I have always respected Wlad a lot more than the other beltholders of his era because he is the only one who is serious about fighting the more dangerous challengers.

Frankly he is the only one motivated to turn up to the fight without flab wobbling out of the top of his waistband.

Can you imagine turning up to a title fight in the condition of Ibragimov, Peter or Chagev if boxing was your career and livelihood?

[sam1222]

You Mean vitali right? Wladimir is having a great title reign right now...He is making a huge effort to fight all the top young studs out there like haye and potvekin and he has unified one of the belts....something larry holmes never did. Wladimir has career 6 title defenses of IBF title and career 8 title defenses of WBO title including his early reign. Wlad has a chance in the next 2 years to knock off some good names. I hope he does it.

The guy with the horribly piss poor title reign is vitali klitschko...he won his belt from an out of shape inactive 39 year old golfer, then defended his title over C level Danny Williams then RETIRED.... That is awful. He did come back and get a strong win over overweight Sam Peter, but Peter has been exposed by now as not a world class fighter. His last defense was over a blubbery 36 year old juan carlos gomez, who looked well past his prime.

shit, i did yeah. i was replying to another post regarding haye v wlad and fucked up. thanks for pointing out my mistake.

[SuzieQ49]

Can you imagine turning up to a title fight in the condition of Ibragimov, Peter or Chagev if boxing was your career and livelihood?

Did you catch Juan Carlos Gomez against Vitali? Gomez had a roll of flab around his entire upperbody. Seriousely what was he thinking coming into any fight at 230lb? He looks so much trimmer, faster, sharper at 210-215lb.

[janitor]

Did you catch Juan Carlos Gomez against Vitali? Gomez had a roll of flab around his entire upperbody. Seriousely what was he thinking coming into any fight at 230lb? He looks so much trimmer, faster, sharper at 210-215lb.

You have to wonder about these guys.

Do they even want imortality?

Some fighters have gone to ridiculous lengths to narrow the odds in a title fight. I the bareknuckle era you basicaly sacrificed your hands to be a contender (eg you would never be a carpinter in the future).

[MrMarvel]

He beat Quarry after beating Ellis

You know, I am having a very hard time actually reading your posts because of your avatar.