Brit Forum - Classic Picks

[D-MAC]

A lot of talk these days about "great" boxers.

Just thought I'd chuck the greatest of them all into the mix for discussion. He's not British and he's not currently active, but I thought it might be nice for those new to boxing to have a peek at a couple of highlight reels, and for those more in the know to post their comments on the greatest boxer ever to step into the ring.

Reputed to have gone 85-0 as an amateur, with 69 KO's.

He finished with a pro record of: 173 (108) - 19 (1) - 6. Of course at one point in his career he was 128-1-2 (84 KO's). A lot of his losses came later on in his career, when he was severely on the decline



What did he have?

Power - Yep, loaded up in both hands.

Speed - He was like lightning.

Stamina - Shed loads of the stuff.

Chin - One of the best in history. Think of him as the anti-Khan.





Anyone for a bit of Sugar Ray Robinson?

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[ishy]

Randy Turpin schooled his arse :bart
:lol:

[GPater11093]

Randy Turpin schooled his arse :bart

you not seen the rematch yet ishy

hes a great fighter my best ever P4P and thats saying something he combined finesse and strength, boxer with puncher, speed with precision, determination with desire, skills with abilities, talent with training, technique with tricks

best ever

[ishy]

Nah, he was awesome. Even on grainy b+w footage his awesomeness oozes through the screen. The way he could KO people of the back foot at WW or MW. His fantastic speed, the way he puts his punches togehter, how he can fight comfortably at long range and on the inside. The man was just awesome.

I haven't seen footage of him at WW (I don't think there is any :huh)but going by how great he was at MW he must have been an awesome, awesome WW. Can't praise him enough.

Great thread topic Mac :good.

[D-MAC]

And that left hook on Fullmer:shock:

[GPater11093]

he is the closet thing to a sloth bear boxing has

he is awesome we dont even see his prime on film just his MW days and hes still amazing and that left hook. wow

[TFFP]

Nuthuggers!!

[ishy]

Nuthuggers!!

:lol:

[GPater11093]

Nuthuggers!!

and proud mate

[D-MAC]

and proud mate

Damn right.

If you're gonna hug anyone in the boxing world it might as well be the best there ever was.:deal

[GPater11093]

Damn right.

If you're gonna hug anyone in the boxing world it might as well be the best there ever was.:deal

yeh, im guessing we all rank him number 1 anyone diagreee

[GPater11093]

what do you thinks SRR best performance

[kosaros]

My classic pick for discussion would be Roberto Duran. Hell, why not Hagler, Leonard and Hearns as well, they are all "great" boxers from the past.

[GPater11093]

My classic pick for discussion would be Roberto Duran. Hell, why not Hagler, Leonard and Hearns as well, they are all "great" boxers from the past.

calm down 1 at time man

how about we do a differnt pick every week

[D-MAC]

what do you thinks SRR best performance

So many to choose from.

I'd probably go for either the LaMotta stoppage or Basilio II.

The Fulmer KO was amazing, but its hard to weigh-up performance from that (seeing as it was just one devastating punch; I think Fullmer was holding his own in the contest, was probably even winning it)

I've never seen any of the Gavilan fights, but those two UD's look great on paper.

Of course you could also throw the second Turpin fight into the mix.

[GPater11093]

So many to choose from.

I'd probably go for either the LaMotta stoppage or Basilio II.

The Fulmer KO was amazing, but its hard to weigh-up performance from that (seeing as it was just one devastating punch; I think Fullmer was holding his own in the contest, was probably even winning it)

I've never seen any of the Gavilan fights, but those two UD's look great on paper.

Of course you could also throw the second Turpin fight into the mix.

he had some wins

i havent saw alot of SRR but i stilo say Lamotta

[D-MAC]

My classic pick for discussion would be Roberto Duran. Hell, why not Hagler, Leonard and Hearns as well, they are all "great" boxers from the past.

I wanted to see how this one went first.

Had to start with SRR, didn't I?

Duran would be next in the pipeline. But, it just depends on whether or not the Brit Forum, as a whole, would go for this sort of thing.

Will wait and see.

[D-MAC]

he had some wins

i havent saw alot of SRR but i stilo say Lamotta

LaMotta is a solid pick:good

[GPater11093]

I wanted to see how this one went first.

Had to start with SRR, didn't I?

Duran would be next in the pipeline. But, it just depends on whether or not the Brit Forum, as a whole, would go for this sort of thing.

Will wait and see.

great idea D-Mac and i love this im in my element speaking about these guys

duran next but you need willie pep soon

[GPater11093]

LaMotta is a solid pick:good

yeh, Lamotta i heard was getting liquor to ease the pain between rounds but still what a fight

Gavilan is amazing on paer but i havent seen it, Turpin 2 is also a good shout as it was so 1 sided

[D-MAC]

great idea D-Mac and i love this im in my element speaking about these guys

duran next but you need willie pep soon

We'll put him after Duran.

Even though you know I'm more of a Sandy Saddler fan:twisted:

[LHL]

Not seen alot of SRR due to my lack of attention span for black and white films. I have read about him but its not the same as watching

Wish i could add more :|


I'm off to get some footage of him :good

[GPater11093]

Not seen alot of SRR due to my lack of attention span for black and white films. I have read about him but its not the same as watching

Wish i could add more :|


I'm off to get some footage of him :good

B+W isnt ideal but its worth it, actually the worst quality fights are the ones in colour that are real dark

hes great even in B+W you will love him

[kosaros]

I wanted to see how this one went first.

Had to start with SRR, didn't I?

Duran would be next in the pipeline. But, it just depends on whether or not the Brit Forum, as a whole, would go for this sort of thing.

Will wait and see.

No problem :good

[GPater11093]

so guys do you think nayone beats him at welter and midle

[TFFP]

At middle yes. I think Monzon and Hagler could beat him.

At welter its difficult to say, but you'd have to assume given how impressive he is at 160 that he's unbeatable at this weight.

[GPater11093]

At middle yes. I think Monzon and Hagler could beat him.

At welter its difficult to say, but you'd have to assume given how impressive he is at 160 that he's unbeatable at this weight.

agree completly, at welter maybe Napoles, (prime) gavilan and SRL are th eonly ones who have a chance

[Rebel-INS]

so guys do you think nayone beats him at welter and midle

No one at WW prime for prime, but a few would at MW. Monzon and Hagler would anyway.

[john b]

Definately Ray Robinson, then I would have to go for the skills SRL, is speed of punches was frightening especially agaisnt hearns at WW. Is it classic fighters from MW down or can we have ali, and the brown bomber joe louis as well, who were very skilled as well.

[TFFP]

Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore at some point. Proper p4p talents that compete in any era.

[GPater11093]

We'll put him after Duran.

Even though you know I'm more of a Sandy Saddler fan:twisted:

forgot your a saddler fan, makes the Pep thread all the better

No one at WW prime for prime, but a few would at MW. Monzon and Hagler would anyway.

you might be right but Napoles definitly ptakes him close

agree with MW picks

[GPater11093]

Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore at some point. Proper p4p talents that compete in any era.

great picks mate their top notch

[D-MAC]

I agree, at MW there would be a few that I think would give him a good fight. But, there aren't many I would pick to beat him outright (more 50/50 type match-ups).

At WW, no one springs to mind.

[GPater11093]

I agree, at MW there would be a few that I think would give him a good fight. But, there aren't many I would pick to beat him outright (more 50/50 type match-ups).

At WW, no one springs to mind.

so how do yous think he does against

Napoles
SRL
(prime) Gavilan
Heanrs

[D-MAC]

Definately Ray Robinson, then I would have to go for the skills SRL, is speed of punches was frightening especially agaisnt hearns at WW. Is it classic fighters from MW down or can we have ali, and the brown bomber joe louis as well, who were very skilled as well.

I'll be zipping all over the weight divisions.

SRL, Ali and Louis will be in there.:good

[GPater11093]

I'll be zipping all over the weight divisions.

SRL, Ali and Louis will be in there.:good

good to here, not to keen on SRL though he should come alot lter

[john b]

I'll be zipping all over the weight divisions.

SRL, Ali and Louis will be in there.:good

Cheers mate. I can't believe I am about to say this and probably get slated, but due to Floyd defense and reflex being what they are I would say he would have given SRR at WW a run for his money not neccessarliy winning but maybe dropping an sd.

[GPater11093]

Cheers mate. I can't believe I am about to say this and probably get slated, but due to Floyd defense and reflex being what they are I would say he would have given SRR at WW a run for his money not neccessarliy winning but maybe dropping an sd.

yeh Floyds a great fighter but not a Welter if you watch is younger days if he kept that form at welterweight maybe but definitly no

at SFW and LW hes real good head to head but not Welter

[TFFP]

Floyd wouldn't do shit with any of the great welters.

[john b]

yeh Floyds a great fighter but not a Welter if you watch is younger days if he kept that form at welterweight maybe but definitly no

at SFW and LW hes real good head to head but not Welter

Fair enough.

[GPater11093]

Fair enough.

have you saw him in his younger days and then compared to the hatton fight

watch him against Corrales then against Hatton, Judah, ODLH, Baldomir and you will see the differnce

[D-MAC]

so how do yous think he does against

Napoles
SRL
(prime) Gavilan
Heanrs

Napoles - Robinson UD I would say. Napoles is a cagey bastard, but I think Robinson would throw and land enough to take a decision.

SRL - Robinson wouldn't like trading speed for speed at mid-range. Robinson would bring it to the inside and win a UD. Leonard might jump out to an early lead, but Ray would peg him back. Depending on whether this is 15 or 12 rounds, it might be a wide Ud or a close-ish one.

Gavilan - I have no idea; I haven't watched anything of this guy, and so I can't gauge how it would go.

Hearns - Duran had a rock of a chin, but Hearns KO'd him. This wouldn't happen in this fight with Ray. Robinson would catch him eventually and take him out.

Just personal opinion BTW.

[GPater11093]

Napoles - Robinson UD I would say. Napoles is a cagey bastard, but I think Robinson would throw and land enough to take a decision.

SRL - Robinson wouldn't like trading speed for speed at mid-range. Robinson would bring it to the inside and win a UD. Leonard might jump out to an early lead, but Ray would peg him back. Depending on whether this is 15 or 12 rounds, it might be a wide Ud or a close-ish one.

Gavilan - I have no idea; I haven't watched anything of this guy, and so I can't gauge how it would go.

Hearns - Duran had a rock of a chin, but Hearns KO'd him. This wouldn't happen in this fight with Ray. Robinson would catch him eventually and take him out.

hat about Leonard

i think he wins a close UD or SD agianst Napoles but they would split a series maybe 2-1 SRR

Gavilan i am same boat as you havent saw enough of him

Heanrs would get KOd around the 7th with all that skill and power hitting him

Leonard would get UD'D in a close but clear match

[GPater11093]

anyone not rate him top

[john b]

have you saw him in his younger days and then compared to the hatton fight

watch him against Corrales then against Hatton, Judah, ODLH, Baldomir and you will see the differnce


Oh yeah I know, he was definately fantastic at SFW and he was at his peak of his powers, I was just saying on his defence and other technical abilities he may have a chance.

[GPater11093]

Oh yeah I know, he was definately fantastic at SFW and he was at his peak of his powers, I was just saying on his defence and other technical abilities he may have a chance.

nah he was slow at WW didnt have the movement or power he once had

also GazOC must remember SRR fights when the was on live

[D-MAC]

hat about Leonard

i think he wins a close UD or SD agianst Napoles but they would split a series maybe 2-1 SRR

Gavilan i am same boat as you havent saw enough of him

Heanrs would get KOd around the 7th with all that skill and power hitting him

Leonard would get UD'D in a close but clear match

You think Napoles would cause him trouble too?

Its strange, but out of that list I would have thought most would have gone for Leonard to give him the hardest fight.

I just think that Robinson is like a Leonard-upgrade. There is no styles-make-fights argument here; In my head Robinson is the better version, and so he wins. Its that simple.

[GPater11093]

You think Napoles would cause him trouble too?

Its strange, but out of that list I would have thought most would have gone for Leonard to give him the hardest fight.

I just think that Robinson is like a Leonard-upgrade. There is no styles-make-fights argument here; In my head Robinson is the better version, and so he wins. Its that simple.

Napoles is one of my faves so i might be biased but he was a great boxer defencivly and offencivly he would cause an WW trouble the only trouble i have with it is a mover (Hedgemon lewis) gave him alot of trouble in the 1st fight

Dont you mena SRL is a downgrade from SRR

[D-MAC]

anyone not rate him top

Just ask Ali:

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[GPater11093]

Just ask Ali:

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ali really admired SRR didnt he

[D-MAC]

Napoles is one of my faves so i might be biased but he was a great boxer defencivly and offencivly he would cause an WW trouble the only trouble i have with it is a mover (Hedgemon lewis) gave him alot of trouble in the 1st fight

Dont you mena SRL is a downgrade from SRR

No, I'm saying Robinson is an upgraded version of Leonard.

[GPater11093]

No, I'm saying Robinson is an upgraded version of Leonard.

Leonard came after Robinson so hes a downgrade

[D-MAC]

Leonard came after Robinson so hes a downgrade

You can say it either way. In a H-2-H, time doesn't exist. Leonard is a downgraded version of Robinson OR Robinson is an upgraded version of Leonard; its all the same.

Anyway, were arguing over pronunciation here. It all amounts to the same thing.

[GPater11093]

You can say it either way. In a H-2-H, time doesn't exist. Leonard is a downgraded version of Robinson OR Robinson is an upgraded version of Leonard; its all the same.

Anyway, were arguing over pronunciation here. It all amounts to the same thing.

just winding you up

[D-MAC]

just winding you up

Thank fuck for that.

I thought I was getting dragged into internet nerd warfare for a second. I should have known better.

[Vantage_West]

Cheers mate. I can't believe I am about to say this and probably get slated, but due to Floyd defense and reflex being what they are I would say he would have given SRR at WW a run for his money not neccessarliy winning but maybe dropping an sd.
sometimes we look for the forrest through the trees. he would give an interesting angle to robinson and WOULD win some rounds but i dont think floyds workrate and style means he can beat robinson. robinson if anything was beaten by heavy hard sluggers. the kinda swarmers that give you nightmares and are legends themselves. lamotta,basillio,graziano.

floyd cant hurt ray, he can stay level with him i terms of speed, has a much lower workrate only his defence and counterpunching would give ray problems and woudl be a mild chess match before robby figuered him out.

also robinson was a respectful middlewieght and competed at light-heavy....and was winning. floyd scraped a title at 154 that he didnt defend. 135/140 is floyds prime weight. just too small in general.

[D-MAC]

sometimes we look for the forrest through the trees. he would give an interesting angle to robinson and WOULD win some rounds but i dont think floyds workrate and style means he can beat robinson. robinson if anything was beaten by heavy hard sluggers. the kinda swarmers that give you nightmares and are legends themselves. lamotta,basillio,graziano.

floyd cant hurt ray, he can stay level with him i terms of speed, has a much lower workrate only his defence and counterpunching would give ray problems and woudl be a mild chess match before robby figuered him out.

also robinson was a respectful middlewieght and competed at light-heavy....and was winning. floyd scraped a title at 154 that he didnt defend. 135/140 is floyds prime weight. just too small in general.

All good points.

Except Graziano never beat Robinson, although Ray was put down.

[Vantage_West]

All good points.

Except Graziano never beat Robinson, although Ray was put down.
:patschsounds stupid but i meant fullmer...also add the awkard turpin to the list

[D-MAC]

:patschsounds stupid but i meant fullmer...also add the awkard turpin to the list

The guy had shitloads of fights; they sometimes get muddled for me as well.

And yes, Fulmer did cause him problems.

[D-MAC]

What was Ray's best punch?

It has to be the left hook I think.

Not just Fulmer II; he took a lot of guys out with that punch.

[john b]

sometimes we look for the forrest through the trees. he would give an interesting angle to robinson and WOULD win some rounds but i dont think floyds workrate and style means he can beat robinson. robinson if anything was beaten by heavy hard sluggers. the kinda swarmers that give you nightmares and are legends themselves. lamotta,basillio,graziano.

floyd cant hurt ray, he can stay level with him i terms of speed, has a much lower workrate only his defence and counterpunching would give ray problems and woudl be a mild chess match before robby figuered him out.

also robinson was a respectful middlewieght and competed at light-heavy....and was winning. floyd scraped a title at 154 that he didnt defend. 135/140 is floyds prime weight. just too small in general.

Very true. I mean, I have got raging bull whether they are accurate accounts on but Robinson really struggled with lamotta style.

[TommyV]

sam langford wa s better
best iof all time lanagford

[GPater11093]

What was Ray's best punch?

It has to be the left hook I think.

Not just Fulmer II; he took a lot of guys out with that punch.

definitly the left hook but all his punches were top drawer

[GPater11093]

sam langford wa s better
best iof all time lanagford

im not too sure

but i dont know alot about the old time guys but boxing was different back then

[brown bomber]

The greatest fighter ever, ever, ever. If Roberto Duran, De La Hoya, Roy Jones Jnr and Muhammed Ali has a baby combining all their assets maybe we'd come close.

[GPater11093]

The greatest fighter ever, ever, ever. If Roberto Duran, De La Hoya, Roy Jones Jnr and Muhammed Ali has a baby combining all their assets maybe we'd come close.

we already have the fighter that embodies that

his name was Walker Smith Jr

[GPater11093]

whats your favourite thing about SRR

[GazOC]

we already have the fighter that embodies that

his name was Walker Smith Jr

Naughty.......:D

[GPater11093]

Naughty.......:D

youll remember when he was a LW so how good was SRR:good

[GazOC]

youll remember when he was a LW so how good was SRR:good

The best WW ever IMHO.:good

Unfortunely theres no film of him at that weight so you'll have to take my word for it.:D

Anyway, back to laying traps for unsuspecting Amir Khan fans.......

[GPater11093]

The best WW ever IMHO.:good

Unfortunely theres no film of him at that weight so you'll have to take my word for it.:D

Anyway, back to laying traps for unsuspecting Amir Khan fans.......

yeh, it was real cheeky

just joking your not that old (arnt you)

[brown bomber]

whats your favourite thing about SRR His tenacity.

[ishy]

The best WW ever IMHO.:good

Unfortunely theres no film of him at that weight so you'll have to take my word for it.:D

Anyway, back to laying traps for unsuspecting Amir Khan fans.......


:lol::lol:

Guglielmo Papaleo was the best defensive boxer of all time :yep

[brown bomber]

:lol::lol:

Guglielmo Papaleo was the best defensive boxer of all time :yep:huh

[ishy]

:huh

Willie Pep's birth name.

[Claypole]

A piece of useless information for you all. (The sort of thing Flint Island likes). My next door neighbour is son of Mick Leahy, who beat SRR (past his best) over 15 rounds.

Although in his sixties, he still street fights regularly and by all accounts is still rather tasty.

[GazOC]

Over 10 rounds according to Boxrec and he'd knocking on 75, theres some pretty big names on that guys record!!

[ishy]

There's even some footage on youtube:

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[GPater11093]

:lol::lol:

Guglielmo Papaleo was the best defensive boxer of all time :yep


good choice the will of the wisp

[Claypole]

Over 10 rounds according to Boxrec and he'd knocking on 75, theres some pretty big names on that guys record!!My mistake about the rounds, but my neighbour claims his old man is a few years younger than what Boxrec says!

[GPater11093]

he the greatest of all time

[GPater11093]

bump

[Davies]

SRR is the best of all time, i wont dispute that!!!

[GPater11093]

this threads really taking off

[lucatoni08]

The best thing about him is without doubt that left hook. He sets it up so well, and the crucial thing is the way he disguises it so well. His opponent more often than not hasn't got a clue what just hit them, and by that stage they're either on their back facing skyward or facing an onslaught of violent punches to the face. Class!!

[GPater11093]

The best thing about him is without doubt that left hook. He sets it up so well, and the crucial thing is the way he disguises it so well. His opponent more often than not hasn't got a clue what just hit them, and by that stage they're either on their back facing skyward or facing an onslaught of violent punches to the face. Class!!

great description

yeh his hook was immense

[lucatoni08]

Yeah in the first SRR video, the left hook KO's at 2:06 and 2:54 are pretty much what i'm talking about. If you look carefully, its almost as if he's going to lead with the right hand on both occassions, and BOOOM. Thats what got him the KO in those cases, surprise power

[lucatoni08]

By the way, I could literally watch that first video all day!

[D-MAC]

By the way, I could literally watch that first video all day!

Thank you.

Glad I posted it now:good

[GPater11093]

Thank you.

Glad I posted it now:good

i could watch any SRR video all day

[D-MAC]

Can someone clear a couple of things up for me from the first video.

(1) Who is he jokingly squaring up to in a press conference at 2.35?

(2) Is it Graziano he is knocking out at 4.05 (gunmshield flying out)?