How many belts would SRR have won if they had Jr. divisions when he fought?

[john garfield]

6 or 7?

[GPater11093]

welter, jr middle, middle, super middle

4

[McGrain]

Well that depends upon who the champion is!

Really interesting question actually, who would have been the 168 champ around this time. Probably LaMotta in which case Sugar could have hoovered that one up. But if more titles means more justice, Sugar might be contending with the likes of Marshall, Charles, Moore, Burley at these in-between weights and get his head handed to him, in as much as this is ever possible for Sugar.

I wonder how long he could have held at 140?

[asero]

he can also win 135 and 140...he beat angott the best 135 pounder that time...

i even consider robinson as a top 15 all-time Lightweight...maybe even top 10...a young robinson may have beaten a prime arguello using his skills

[flamengo]

Bloody hell J.G, you are getting bored mate.

Do alphabet titles come into the equation??

Assuming we are talking of Robinson in his day, it would be fair to suggest he'd win the

JW/W titles.

W/W titles.

sW/W titles.

M/W titles.

SM/W titles.

5 out of the 6 LH/W titles.

2 out of the 6 H/W titles.

Containing the WBA, WBC, WBO, WBF, WBU, IBF, IBC, IBO, IBU, IBA, IBFucked... etc... its anyones guess what SRR might have in title belts over his 20 year career.

I think its fair to assume he might be recognised as a champion of sorts.

Then again, he might be a case of the local NUTTHUGGERS????

J.G, Sugar is a legend. He could accomplish anything.

[dmille]

he can also win 135 and 140...he beat angott the best 135 pounder that time...

i even consider robinson as a top 15 all-time Lightweight...maybe even top 10...a young robinson may have beaten a prime arguello using his skills


Prime Alexis was at 130, not 135...

[asero]

Prime Alexis was at 130, not 135...

my bad, but still, arguello is more or less ranked in the top 10 of LW division...

[TommyV]

my bad, but still, arguello is more or less ranked in the top 10 of LW division...

No he isn't.

D'you know how many great fighters have the potential to be ahead of him?

Duran, Ike Williams, Sweet Pea, Beau Jack, Joe Gans, Benny Leonard, Tony Canzoneri, Carlos Ortiz, Packey McFarland, Sammy Angott, Bob Montgomery, Lew Tendler, Barney Ross.

Just to name a few, that's 14 names right there.

[asero]

No he isn't.

D'you know how many great fighters have the potential to be ahead of him?

Duran, Ike Williams, Sweet Pea, Beau Jack, Joe Gans, Benny Leonard, Tony Canzoneri, Carlos Ortiz, Packey McFarland, Sammy Angott, Bob Montgomery, Lew Tendler, Barney Ross.

Just to name a few, that's 14 names right there.

hey, he beat angott in his prime
and beating angott is a better accomplishment than any accomplishment of oscar, mosley and pbf at 135

[Privatejoker]

I agree Asero.

[john garfield]

bloody hell j.g, you are getting bored mate. Nailed me, f. Succumbed to a lightbulb moment in the middle of the night.

do alphabet titles come into the equation?? posed it as belts, just to see how high the number would be.

Assuming we are talking of robinson in his day, it would be fair to suggest he'd win the

jw/w titles.

W/w titles.

Sw/w titles.

M/w titles.

Sm/w titles.

5 out of the 6 lh/w titles.

2 out of the 6 h/w titles.

containing the wba, wbc, wbo, wbf, wbu, ibf, ibc, ibo, ibu, iba, ibfucked... Etc... Its anyones guess what srr might have in title belts over his 20 year career.

I think its fair to assume he might be recognised as a champion of sorts.
exactly where i netted out.

Then again, he might be a case of the local nutthuggers????

J.g, sugar is a legend. He could accomplish anything.

shout it loud and be proud!!!

[Nemesis]

welter, jr middle, middle, super middle

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What about LW or LWW?

He did beat the then Lightweight champion eary in his career

[TheGreatA]

I do know that under today's conditions he would have also held the lightweight title. Angott was the champ and Robinson beat him but it was a non-title bout.

[Dempsey1238]

I pretty sure Robinson would have that WBA heavyweight scrap after beating Ruiz lol.

In todays era, any were from welterweight to heavyweight, all with the "Right" fights of couse.

Jones Jr would never have been a heavyweight champ if it was Lewis in the ring, and not Ruiz.

[john garfield]

bump

[GPater11093]

What about LW or LWW?

He did beat the then Lightweight champion eary in his career

your right forgot he fought at LW early on

[asero]

your right forgot he fought at LW early on


he beat angott, the champion or the #1 contender at LW that time...

[PH|LLA]

how many would Henry ARmstrong have won?

[TheGreatA]

how many would Henry ARmstrong have won?

I believe that Armstrong did beat men who were super featherweight and light welterweight champions.

I think it's safe to say that he would have atleast held titles in featherweight, super featherweight, lightweight, light welterweight and welterweight divisions.

[Flea Man]

No he isn't.

D'you know how many great fighters have the potential to be ahead of him?

Duran, Ike Williams, Sweet Pea, Beau Jack, Joe Gans, Benny Leonard, Tony Canzoneri, Carlos Ortiz, Packey McFarland, Sammy Angott, Bob Montgomery, Lew Tendler, Barney Ross.

Just to name a few, that's 14 names right there.

Thanks Tommy saved me the hassle!

And as everyone knows I am the biggest Alexis nuthugger of all time, but he's a far better 126/130 lber than he was at 135. Put Ray Mancini's style-body-type in a 130 lb fighter and Alexis just would not have struggled. It wasn't the weight, but the age he was by the time he moved there and the fights he had already been in.

[WhataRock]

I believe that Armstrong did beat men who were super featherweight and light welterweight champions.

I think it's safe to say that he would have atleast held titles in featherweight, super featherweight, lightweight, light welterweight and welterweight divisions.


From reports he also arguably was robbed of a title at middleweight...There is some contention as to whether it was the official title but welcome to the modern era really, if Hank was challenging for a different version of the title then..it is no different to having a grab at one of the alphabet titles now.

I do tend to think though that Hank would probably be content with fighting at his natural feather-lightweight range where he could probably dominate..and dominate a lot of the best fighters in the world at the time...rather then just weight jumping and fighting weak titlists.

[flamengo]

shout it loud and be proud!!!



Mate, great to hear from you. Hope you're travelling well.

[stevebhoy87]

I think robinson could conciveably win some version of a belt at every weight from lightweight to light heavy.

How many could langford have got?

[Dempsey1238]

As I said before, think Ray with the right match making can win a belt at Heayvweight. Ask Jones Jr and Toney.

[john garfield]

bump

[teeto]

There was a light-welter champ in 1947,

[GPater11093]

There was a light-welter champ in 1947,

yes but people didnt really like the divison and thought it wasnt as good as the original weight classes thats why theres a big gap between afew champs

wait to seconds and ill tell you the gap

[teeto]

yes but people didnt really like the divison and thought it wasnt as good as the original weight classes thats why theres a big gap between afew champs

wait to seconds and ill tell you the gap
Yeah its 1947-1959

[teeto]

I was just playing Devil's Advocate a little!

[GPater11093]

between 1941 and 1946 there was no champ as the champ was in 1941 went to war and nobody foguth for the ttile till 46

then 13th 1946 was the last defence by then champ Tippy Larkin who later lost to Ike Williams and the title was declared vacant until 1959 when Carlos Ortiz won it

so there wasnt a champ in 1947, interresting becuase SRR could have contested for the vacant title

[teeto]

between 1941 and 1946 there was no champ as the champ was in 1941 went to war and nobody foguth for the ttile till 46

then 13th 1946 was the last defence by then champ Tippy Larkin who later lost to Ike Williams and the title was declared vacant until 1959 when Carlos Ortiz won it

so there wasnt a champ in 1947, interresting becuase SRR could have contested for the vacant title
Yeah Larkin last defended in 46 but they stripped him in 47, so there was technically a champ in 47, that's what this book i have says anyhow.

Like i said, just a 'technically speaking' post, didn't really mean anything by it,

[stevebhoy87]

between 1941 and 1946 there was no champ as the champ was in 1941 went to war and nobody foguth for the ttile till 46

then 13th 1946 was the last defence by then champ Tippy Larkin who later lost to Ike Williams and the title was declared vacant until 1959 when Carlos Ortiz won it

so there wasnt a champ in 1947, interresting becuase SRR could have contested for the vacant title

I doubt ray could have made 140 by 1947, he would have been around that weight in the early 40's not late

[GPater11093]

I doubt ray could have made 140 by 1947, he would have been around that weight in the early 40's not late

well he could have contested the vacant title between 41 and 45 if he was allowed because that was war time

[Asterion]

147, 154, 160, 168 maybe

[Jear]

As I said before, think Ray with the right match making can win a belt at Heayvweight. Ask Jones Jr and Toney.

Who is he beating for the title at heavy or if there was a cruiser title holder back then? Im not convinced he wins the title at lightheavy to be honest.
The thread title only says junior divisions at his time not fragmented titles