Naz Was Never A Great Puncher

[TIGEREDGE]

NAZ was very good puncher but he WAS no ruben olivares or JULIAN JACKSON or mike tyson. he never ever ko'd any really tough challengers. mediNA wasn't koed. a bantamweight in waynee mccullogh was nver koed or knocked down. cesar soto was never hurt


augie sanchez, alicea, robinson, kevin kelly and co were all chinny. BUNGU WAS ONLY A BANTAMWEIGHT. TOM JOHNSON WAS CHINNY.

[lefthook31]

he defintely had power, especially for a guy with that unorthodox of a style.

[Snorkel]

NAZ was very good puncher but he WAS no ruben olivares or JULIAN JACKSON or mike tyson. he never ever ko'd any really tough challengers. mediNA wasn't koed. a bantamweight in waynee mccullogh was nver koed or knocked down. cesar soto was never hurt


augie sanchez, alicea, robinson, kevin kelly and co were all chinny. BUNGU WAS ONLY A BANTAMWEIGHT. TOM JOHNSON WAS CHINNY.

McCullough wasn't knocked down or hurt by anybody in his entire career, including Morales. His chin is pure granite so that's hardly a blemish on Naz's record.

Naz was a little guy for the division and still stopped people in devastating fashion. You can maybe argue that he wasn't a great fighter, but his power is beyond question.

[Strike]

Absolute rubbish. Funny that you talk about Tyson...okay well Mitch Green, James Smith, Evander Holyfield and so on were not stopped. Nor was Danny Williams despite eating numerous flush shots.

A peak Tyson failed to drop and put away a few fighters and Tyson stopped many with an accumulation of shots.

The "chinny" Robinson had never been floored as professional when Hamed stopped him with one left hook. Hamed had freakish power in both hands, he dropped people when he had barely got any extension on the shots, landing punches with no firm stance behind them, off balance, no leg power, short shots etc and yet they were dropping people and hurting them.

You can criticise anything else you want, but anyone saying he doesnt hit hard is either deluded or stupid.

[Thread Stealer]

"When Naz hits you, you feel it in your spine"- Wayne "Chin of Steel" McCllough

[He Hate Me]

I think this thread was created to start some in-fighting. Obviously hamed had a very high ko percentage, I will leave it at that.

[peter5]

"When Naz hits you, you feel it in your spine"- Wayne "Chin of Steel" McCllough

I would agree with that, he may have been a bit of a clown, but he could kick like a mule!

[Executioner]

Have you ever seen someone that small hit so damn hard?

[PowerPuncher]

Hamed had 1 of the best 1 punch power P4P of all time. End of discussion. BTW Hamed was a batamweight too and destroyed featherweights with 1 shot.

[He Hate Me]

Tigeredge your blade is dull on this one.

[Motor City Sam]

Not only did he have great KO power, but he carried it with him as he went up in weight.

[TIGEREDGE]

Absolute rubbish. Funny that you talk about Tyson...okay well Mitch Green, James Smith, Evander Holyfield and so on were not stopped. Nor was Danny Williams despite eating numerous flush shots.

A peak Tyson failed to drop and put away a few fighters and Tyson stopped many with an accumulation of shots.

The "chinny" Robinson had never been floored as professional when Hamed stopped him with one left hook. Hamed had freakish power in both hands, he dropped people when he had barely got any extension on the shots, landing punches with no firm stance behind them, off balance, no leg power, short shots etc and yet they were dropping people and hurting them.

You can criticise anything else you want, but anyone saying he doesnt hit hard is either deluded or stupid.

I never said he idn't hit hard. he just was not the great puncher some make him out to be. He was a notch below the likes of jackson and ruben olivares. olivares destroyed really tough, elite fighters like alan rudkin, lionel rose and so on

[TIGEREDGE]

Have you ever seen someone that small hit so damn hard?

RUBEN OLIVARES. WILFREDO GOMEZ, CARLOS ZARATE, AZUMAH NELSON, DANNY LOPEZ OUR OWN BARRY MCGUIGAN AND SO ON

ISRAEL VASQUEZ AND MARQUEZ ARE REALLY DEVASTATING PUNCHERS

[nervousxtian]

Give it up, Naz was a GREAT puncher in his day.

[Box-on]

I think his record kinda speaks for itself, have you seen any of his fights ??

[Beebs]

This is just flat out ignorant.

[TIGEREDGE]

yes he was a very good puncher but i don't consider him one of the ATG ko artists like gomez, jackson, tyson, archie moore, ray robinson and so on

[TIGEREDGE]

naz had a very good ko record

[A-50]

Naz had no heart and no chin.

[CASH_718]

RUBEN OLIVARES. WILFREDO GOMEZ, CARLOS ZARATE, AZUMAH NELSON, DANNY LOPEZ OUR OWN BARRY MCGUIGAN AND SO ON

ISRAEL VASQUEZ AND MARQUEZ ARE REALLY DEVASTATING PUNCHERSAzumah Nelson???? Barry McGuigan??? Wow your a moron.

[CASH_718]

Naz had no heart and no chin.Then how come he never got KO'd??? And everytime he was ever KD'd he got up and KO'd the guy?

You continue to say nothing intelligent ever congrats.:good

[Rollo]

He hit about five times harder than Barrera - only, he couldn´t box when he needed to.

[brooklyn1550]

Naseem Hamed was a great puncher-not textbook like an Alexis Arguello or Joe Louis, but he had speed and raw power among the best ever at 126

[TIGEREDGE]

Azumah Nelson???? Barry McGuigan??? Wow your a moron.

nelson and mcguigan were really big punchers. ask anyone who knows the game. Nelson was a killer puncher. you ever saw his destructions of fenech, cowdell, wilfredo gomez

[TIGEREDGE]

Naz had no heart and no chin.

i really disagree with this. he did have heart and chin and very good punching power is well as good speed

[safe_pa]

I hated Naz and will bash him any chance I get but to say he wasn't a great puncher :patsch

[Mrboogie23]

all I have to say is this is DUMB!

Hamed had damn good power. His record speaks for itself.

[viperguy]

Naz was the best boxer i've ever seen. His skills was just awesome.

[Jinx]

Hamed was never a great boxer, but he had cannons in them hands...he definitely had more power than Pac at 126 or below...

[Mrboogie23]

Naz was the best boxer i've ever seen. His skills was just awesome.


I dont know about all of the that. You must not have seen very many boxers. Yes he hit damn hard but lets not get carried away.

[Dantes]

Tigeredge your blade is dull on this one.

:rofl :good

[CASH_718]

nelson and mcguigan were really big punchers. ask anyone who knows the game. Nelson was a killer puncher. you ever saw his destructions of fenech, cowdell, wilfredo gomezNelson broke people down he did lay people out with one shot like Naz did. You clearly don't know boxing by what your saying.

Took him 8 rounds to stop Fenech after he went 12 rounds with him in the first fight and didn't hurt him at all. And Fenech came up from 118 to fight Nelson at 130.

Cowdell??? 7 months after Nelson KO'd him in the first he was KO'd in the first by Najib Daho who was 29-18-1 with only 7 KO's at the time.

Gomez got stopped after an 11 round beating. And Gomez was never the same at 126 that he was at 122.

[aliwasthegreatest]

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[Jambon]

If it was not of is great power and is mindgames he would have very little victory's.

[Mind Reader]

Gotta disagree, I think he was a great puncher.

[boxbox]

punches seems hard when you don't see it, it even knocks you down...not putting down Naz, he has above average power but it has something to do with his style that makes it look more powerful. Even when he gets hit.. you think that he was hit hard because of the way he tries to avoid the punch..but actually he just swayed with the punch.

[knockout]

Of course he hes not he only throws one punch at a time.

[PATSYS]

Naz hit MAB with some solid shots and MAB took it well whereas Pac kd MAB with one shot.

[CASH_718]

Naz hit MAB with some solid shots and MAB took it well whereas Pac kd MAB with one shot.The men are having an intelligent conversation here so run along and play in traffic.

[viperguy]

I dont know about all of the that. You must not have seen very many boxers. Yes he hit damn hard but lets not get carried away.Naz is the only boxer I see that duck punches by just leaning back.

[Shake]

P4P, Hamed hit much harder than Tyson. He had one-punch K.O power at a very low weight. He's up there with the Julian Jacksons.

[Grabonator]

Naz was never a great sportmansship.

[Shake]

Naz is the only boxer I see that duck punches by just leaning back.

Yeah, it's not like the most famous boxer of all-time ever did that. Or Roy Jones, on occasion. Heck, even Floyd.

They all did it better, too.

[Beebs]

Yeah, it's not like the most famous boxer of all-time ever did that. Or Roy Jones, on occasion. Heck, even Floyd.

They all did it better, too.

Well.....RJJ got in trouble doing it a time or two, :lol:

[viperguy]

Naz was never a great sportmansship.Naz was too cocky, he needed his asss beat but he's still the best boxer i've seen.

[viperguy]

Yeah, it's not like the most famous boxer of all-time ever did that. Or Roy Jones, on occasion. Heck, even Floyd.

They all did it better, too.I don't know man, I've never seen anyone does it better than Naz. I mean Naz literally just stand infront of his opponent and bomb them while leaning back as they punch back. It's like he not scare of getting hit or something. To me he was just physically gifted as a boxer.

[TIGEREDGE]

all I have to say is this is DUMB!

Hamed had damn good power. His record speaks for itself.

I did say he had very good power, he just wasn't in bob foster, ruben olivares league

[TIGEREDGE]

Emanuel Steward said that "Naz was Pound4pound the hardest puncher he ever trained".

& he trained + did pad work with Hearns.Gerald Mclellan etc

@Tigeredge....why dont u just make "i dont like Naz thread".PURE DUMB!

I DON'T LIKE THE CUNT. WHO DOES? AFTER HIS BEHAVIOUR OF RECENT. BUT HE WAS A GOOD FIGHTER WITH VERY GOOD POWER BUT NOT GREAT POWER

GREAT IS USED TOOO MUCH NOWADAYS

[koko of phil]

Naz doesn't look like a heavy hitter when he fights, maybe because of his boxing style, you often get suprised when opponent just drops after he delivers a punch.

[Illmatic]

Naz doesn't look like a heavy hitter when he fights, maybe because of his boxing style, you often get suprised when opponent just drops after he delivers a punch.

This guy had power that was just shocking. The way people fell was just unusual. He would hit a guy, then 2-3 seconds later, their bodies would just cease to function. It was crazy to watch.

[TIGEREDGE]

This guy had power that was just shocking. The way people fell was just unusual. He would hit a guy, then 2-3 seconds later, their bodies would just cease to function. It was crazy to watch.

ray leonard caused a few shocking ko's but he wasn't a great puncher. Truly great punchers are guys who ko'd elite, great fighters like bob foster with dick tiger and, ruben olivares with lionel rose and other mexican beats. Thomas hearns with pipino cuevas and roberto duran. Ray robinson with gene fulmer and other beats

who did NAZ KO THAT WAS CONSIDERED ELITE. he hit barerra with some good punches and MAB kept coming.

[Shake]

Roy only got in trouble when his reflexes eroded. Before that he was arguably one of the most effective defensive fighters, though that's to be taken with a pinch of salt, for his defence would not work without his offense and athleticism. He simply stayed out of harms way until he saw something.

[stillafan]

i never like NAZ...!...but to say he could NOT punch is very untrue!

The one thing NAz had is Freak power!....he was short with Thick legs that he used to generate awesome power....he Jumped into his punches at times, like a video game...

[Outboxer]

You can criticise anything else you want, but anyone saying he doesnt hit hard is either deluded or stupid.

End of thread.

[Illmatic]

ray leonard caused a few shocking ko's but he wasn't a great puncher. Truly great punchers are guys who ko'd elite, great fighters like bob foster with dick tiger and, ruben olivares with lionel rose and other mexican beats. Thomas hearns with pipino cuevas and roberto duran. Ray robinson with gene fulmer and other beats

who did NAZ KO THAT WAS CONSIDERED ELITE. he hit barerra with some good punches and MAB kept coming.

3 division champ Vazquez was dropped like sack of rocks.
Medina had been stopped once by a 50 fight veteran when he was very green before Hamed, and Hamed stopped him while he had the flu.
Bungu, long time super bantam titlist, never stopped, Hamed kayo in 4
Linear champ Tom Johnson, never stopped, tko 8

15 defenses of his title, 13 by kayo. He didnt stop McColough b/c he has a legendary chin, and Soto b/c he was just trying to last the distance.

and just watch his fights! He had incredible power, he just whipped his whole body into his punches, like a cobra

[TIGEREDGE]

i never like NAZ...!...but to say he could NOT punch is very untrue!

The one thing NAz had is Freak power!....he was short with Thick legs that he used to generate awesome power....he Jumped into his punches at times, like a video game...


i never said that he couldn't punch. he was a big puncher. but i don't think he was one of the great punchers of history

[Drexl]

i never said that he couldn't punch. he was a big puncher. but i don't think he was one of the great punchers of history

So you are saying he's not top-5 or so in history?

No shit. I've never seen anyone say he was. Was that really worthy of a thread?

[Executioner]

I thought Naz should've stayed at 122. Oh yeah and Vasquez and R. Marquez power doesn't hold a candle to Naz'

[TIGEREDGE]

So you are saying he's not top-5 or so in history?

No shit. I've never seen anyone say he was. Was that really worthy of a thread?

a few guys on here are saying he was

[PATSYS]

The men are having an intelligent conversation here so run along and play in traffic. Are you disputing what I just posted? :patsch

[Drexl]

a few guys on here are saying he was

Even so, how "great" a fighter was at punching is not something we can accurately measure or compare. Therefore it's only a matter of opinion and they are entitled to theirs.

[Drofrah]

a few guys on here are saying he was

That wasnt the title of the thread.

Was Naz a top 5 puncher should have been the title.....to which there wouldnt be this many pages dedicated to it

[rendog67]

naz could really through some bombs

[MacManJr.]

Absolute rubbish. Funny that you talk about Tyson...okay well Mitch Green, James Smith, Evander Holyfield and so on were not stopped. Nor was Danny Williams despite eating numerous flush shots.

A peak Tyson failed to drop and put away a few fighters and Tyson stopped many with an accumulation of shots.

The "chinny" Robinson had never been floored as professional when Hamed stopped him with one left hook. Hamed had freakish power in both hands, he dropped people when he had barely got any extension on the shots, landing punches with no firm stance behind them, off balance, no leg power, short shots etc and yet they were dropping people and hurting them.

You can criticise anything else you want, but anyone saying he doesnt hit hard is either deluded or stupid.I was gonna go with hogwash but rubbish will suffice.

[TIGEREDGE]

PERFECT POST!:good

@Tigeredge....how the hell u know that Barry Mcguigan.Azumah Nelson,Ruben Olivares etc punch harder than Hamed...DID U GO BACK IN TIME....ON A TIME MACHINE.....SPAR WITH THOSE GUYS (Barry Mcguigan.Azumah Nelson,Ruben Olivares)..GET HIT ON THE HEAD...& U HAVE SOME KIND OF MEASURING MACHINE IN YOUR HEAD...then come back in time...& get hit by Naz....Then come home & go to ur computer & write YOUR FACTs?

or did u just simply watch a few tapes & read few boxing message boards & talk boxing only....then came to your conclusion?

Like Drexl said...no1 actually knows who hits harder than who...WE ALL GUESS & ASSUME FROM FIGHTERS RECORDS & TV ETC.


Eanuel Steward on the other hand ACTUALLY FELT THE POWER from Hearns,Gerald Mclellan & Other Legendary punchers & fighters...AND ACTUALLY TESTIFYS THAT HAMED WAS THE HARDEST PUNCHER POUND FOR POUND HE EVER TRAINED.

manny steward is prone to hyping boxers up like a lot of other trainers. he said a few things that were a load of bollocks. like lennox lewis was greater than ali and so on

i do agree with drexl, that you cannot measure mens punch power. ALL I SAID WAS THAT I DON'T THINK NAZ WAS AN ATG PUNCHER.

[TIGEREDGE]

The guys he ko'd where ready to be taken or china chinned. We will never know if he was a great puncher because his carerr was pretty short. We would of found out if he had a few more fight against elite and solid, tough opposition

The likes of Ruben Olivares and other great punchers gained ATG Punching status by scoring 50 or more KO's

Earnie shaver never ko'd a great fighter I know but he scored nearly 70 ko's. Naz scored only 30 KO's. If he had of got to the 50 mark, I would have to consider him a great puncher

[Vantage_West]

Hamed had 1 of the best 1 punch power P4P of all time. End of discussion. BTW Hamed was a batamweight too and destroyed featherweights with 1 shot.fly actually:admin

[Snorkel]

Surely KO ratio is important here? 50 kos means nothing if you've had 200 fights. Naz on the other hand stopped 31 of his 37 opponents.

I'm surprised you dragged this up again seen as everybody disagreed and gave evidence proving Naz's power. I know you rate power based upon the number of atg's that a fighter stopped but still, Naz's record of stopping good fighters who hadn't previously been stopped while being a small man in a division where KO's are rarer than the higher weights is a feat in itself. Your criteria only allows for the very elite fighters to be known as great punchers. David Tua hasn't KO'd any atgs, yet I don't think you could really argue that he can't punch.

I rewatched the Bungu fight the other day and that stoppage only confirmed what I already knew; Naz was a brutal puncher. He did nothing for the entire 4th round before firing a single straight left without any significant wind up that put the never stopped and 6 year IBF champ down and out for the count. That, for me, is the very definition of a great puncher.